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| 00:27.24 | gnarface | ok so i'm forgetting something importatn |
| 00:27.33 | gnarface | i can't remember how i'm giving keyboard access to Xorg |
| 00:27.49 | gnarface | i mean, to my user |
| 00:27.56 | gnarface | i'm NOT in the input group |
| 00:28.10 | gnarface | but it was never necessary with Xorg suid root anyway |
| 00:28.52 | gnarface | however on this arm64 device, i replicated the same setup, i see that it's got all the same binaries suid root, yet the desktop user can't access the keyboard or mouse after X starts |
| 00:29.05 | gnarface | i'm obviously forgetting something important, but i don't know what |
| 00:29.20 | gnarface | also, how do i make it put the Xorg.0.log back in /var/log again? |
| 00:29.52 | gnarface | i had taken for granted i wouldn't have to do anything differently since jessie behaved the same way as sid always has |
| 00:30.14 | gnarface | but... either something is different with ascii, or i've forgotten something important |
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| 00:44.00 | golinux | Yeah, Xorg in ascii is different. Are you using a login/wm? |
| 00:44.27 | golinux | Seems I remember hearing that solves the problem. |
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| 00:53.43 | gnarface | no gui login, same as the sid machine |
| 00:54.05 | gnarface | but presumably this behavior wouldn't be different on a fresh sid install |
| 00:54.40 | gnarface | suggesting it's auto-detecting for behavior based on checking something that is only present or in a certain state for legacy installs that were upgraded |
| 00:54.57 | gnarface | which means it should be something i can disable again manually... |
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| 01:07.13 | Xenguy | .oO( There's nothing like 'disable manually' that makes you glad you run a *nix ) |
| 01:08.10 | Xenguy | Just edit a text file, I like it |
| 01:09.49 | Xenguy | And I have the greatest, finest, most capable text editor in the world, at my command... |
| 01:10.08 | Xenguy | Let the chaos ensue :P |
| 01:10.39 | Xenguy | There was a time when we had time enough to consider it fun |
| 01:10.46 | Xenguy | Might we still? |
| 01:11.38 | Xenguy | ahem, yes, of course, devuan is the great wonder, the debian that might have been |
| 01:11.59 | Xenguy | And indeed it is, thank you Devuan |
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| 11:56.22 | Evilham | Xenguy: windows' notepad? X-D |
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| 12:07.10 | Guadiana | hi |
| 12:07.41 | Guadiana | is Vuu-do Linux based on DevJuan? |
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| 12:12.27 | Guadiana | need to go |
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| 12:17.21 | Xenguy | Evilham: That's the one = ) |
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| 17:32.25 | bozonius2 | when I went to do something in my Devuan VM (vbox 5.1.28) today, it was apparently hung. I could barely kill the dang thing with SIGTERM from htop. I see that my .xsession-errors file is over a 1GB, most of it from the most recent session apparently (I used sed to grab the most recent session). This is the 2nd time this has happened. Only Devuan is hanging like this; I've not seen this in my other VMs (at least not lately). |
| 17:32.25 | bozonius2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.34 | bozonius2 | (there IS an update to vbox, but it was released after I launched devuan and I had not rebooted it as of this a.m. |
| 17:34.01 | kaboutur | sounds like some heavy videocard error generating continuous errors |
| 17:34.10 | kaboutur | error/failure |
| 17:34.12 | bozonius2 | I am NOT claiming this is Devuan's fault. It is simply that I have not had this problem with other VMs |
| 17:34.34 | bozonius2 | kabouter, what is interesting, though, is I see TONS of pcm underrun messages! |
| 17:34.51 | kaboutur | PCM .. is that like speaker/sound ? |
| 17:35.01 | kaboutur | do you have an old mainboard? |
| 17:35.03 | bozonius2 | but you might be right -- the video did not respond at all |
| 17:35.05 | bozonius2 | old? |
| 17:35.18 | kaboutur | could be a busproblem or pci / slot in "older" mainboards |
| 17:35.23 | bozonius2 | AMD am3 |
| 17:35.36 | bozonius2 | tech is probably 8 years old or so? |
| 17:35.54 | kaboutur | try clearing your CMOS and resetting your BIOS to default values |
| 17:36.27 | bozonius2 | That happened just a few days back! Not by choice either. |
| 17:36.30 | kaboutur | i'm not an expert but this is what I would try in such a scenario, lacking more detailed info |
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| 17:38.05 | bozonius2 | When I rebooted the hardware, it forced me to reset the default options. |
| 17:38.09 | bozonius2 | So, already done. |
| 17:38.21 | bozonius2 | yes, PCM is sound |
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| 17:38.48 | kaboutur | so you definitely have some hardware issue at hand |
| 17:39.28 | bozonius2 | there are gobs of reports about this pcm underrun issue, and from the looks of it, the only solution is to re-potterize sound, which I would like to avoid... |
| 17:40.05 | kaboutur | if you have a separate vidcard instead of onboard you could try removing.. or if only onboard vid: buy a cheap vid pci-e card and disable the onboard vid during boottime in the BIOS |
| 17:40.23 | bozonius2 | but those reports seem to be related to (ahem!) pulseaudio environments |
| 17:40.32 | kaboutur | I remember underruns from the era where I had a lot of IRQ conflicts :) |
| 17:40.50 | kaboutur | You have some kind of busconflict at hand... but it could be memory too |
| 17:40.55 | bozonius2 | I actually do have a few video cards. |
| 17:41.06 | bozonius2 | 3G is not enough memory? |
| 17:41.23 | bozonius2 | 3GB |
| 17:41.32 | kaboutur | Install memtestx86 from the depositories and let it run for a couple of days to eliminate the badmem option |
| 17:41.52 | kaboutur | apt-get install memtext86 |
| 17:41.55 | bozonius2 | then I cannot use the machine? |
| 17:42.02 | kaboutur | yes. |
| 17:42.07 | bozonius2 | crud. |
| 17:42.34 | kaboutur | you have to leave the program do it's thing for at least 2-3 full runs (maybe 1 day with 3gb) |
| 17:42.50 | bozonius2 | 12GB total. 3GB for Devuan |
| 17:42.58 | kaboutur | it creates a little nifty bootoption in your Grub bootloader, additional to your default kernel loader |
| 17:43.25 | bozonius2 | actually, my host (CentOS) already has memtest86 installed |
| 17:43.34 | kaboutur | ah you're taking about disksize. i was talking about memorychips |
| 17:43.39 | bozonius2 | no |
| 17:43.42 | bozonius2 | memory only |
| 17:43.46 | bozonius2 | not disk |
| 17:44.07 | bozonius2 | the host (hardware, that is) has 12GB of core/ram |
| 17:44.15 | bozonius2 | The Devuan VM only has 3GB |
| 17:44.20 | kaboutur | a disk problem wouldn't generate the errors you have |
| 17:44.27 | bozonius2 | right. |
| 17:44.53 | kaboutur | is it a VPS or do you have control over the actual hardware? |
| 17:45.25 | bozonius2 | why would I even talk about disk in this context, other than running out of diskspace, which is not the issue -- I keep tight track of disk space usage here. |
| 17:45.56 | bozonius2 | Vbox, running on my CentOS host. Along with a few other VMs. |
| 17:46.16 | bozonius2 | And I carefully monitor total memory use across the host and VMs |
| 17:46.40 | kaboutur | I would just try the memtest86 to rule out faulty memory banks, and look for what other possible hardware issue you have from there on. |
| 17:46.43 | bozonius2 | once in a while, the host does do some swapping/paging but not often |
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| 17:48.17 | kaboutur | That's normal in Linux, even usage of lots of swap space doesn't say much. Activity of the VMM doesn't really "disclose" much |
| 17:48.20 | bozonius2 | ok, thanks. I might consider doing that. Unfortuanately, this is really my only hardware at the moment, and I've got stuff to do |
| 17:48.53 | kaboutur | I hope you get it sorted out soon, and be running Devuan without errors.. But I really think it's hardware so you need to have it fixed anyway:) |
| 17:49.12 | kaboutur | s/errors/large logs etc/ |
| 17:49.43 | bozonius2 | consider this, maybe it is relevant. |
| 17:51.00 | bozonius2 | XFCE4, but with 8 desktops. I try not to overload the system, and I usually keep checking memory usage so I am not locking it up |
| 17:51.16 | bozonius2 | usually, I am only using a couple of the desktops at any time |
| 17:51.59 | bozonius2 | kabouter: is there a memory history monitor that is a simple plugin for devuan/debian? |
| 17:52.23 | bozonius2 | I'd like to see if I am "peaking" and how often. That might be a clue in sorting this out. |
| 17:53.07 | bozonius2 | something like cacti? only ready to go? |
| 17:53.40 | kaboutur | bozonius2: no idea. I would indeed use cacti or something for long term monitoring of a network of servers |
| 17:54.12 | kaboutur | you can script things yourself. everything is in /proc/ anyway |
| 17:54.29 | bozonius2 | true... but I like the graphical output of cacti |
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| 17:57.34 | kaboutur | i use rrdtool only for smokeping:) |
| 17:59.22 | bozonius2 | IPfire and (I think) openmediavault use rddtool/cacti |
| 18:03.53 | bozonius2 | cacti wants to intsall apache, but I don't want apache. I prefer using lighttpd |
| 18:05.08 | DPA | It's just a recommends |
| 18:05.24 | bozonius2 | how to avoid installing though? |
| 18:05.26 | bozonius2 | syntax? |
| 18:05.39 | bozonius2 | apt-get install cacti- or something like that? |
| 18:06.27 | DPA | Try apt-get --no-install-recommends <packet> |
| 18:06.37 | bozonius2 | ah, thanks |
| 18:07.08 | DPA | oops, apt-get install --no-install-recommends <packet> |
| 18:08.06 | bozonius2 | it still insists... |
| 18:08.20 | bozonius2 | just a shorter list of deps. Still wants to install apache |
| 18:09.29 | DPA | Maybe if you add lighttpd to the package list, so it will be chosen instead of apache? |
| 18:10.03 | bozonius2 | now, when you say "packet" you mean "package?" like cacti |
| 18:10.14 | DPA | yes |
| 18:10.27 | bozonius2 | hmm.. ok, let me try |
| 18:10.49 | bozonius2 | lighttpd is already installed |
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| 18:11.28 | bozonius2 | funny thing is that during the cacti install, it asks me if I want to use apache or lighttpd and I chose lighttpd |
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| 18:11.51 | bozonius2 | of course, by that point, it was destiny. apt-get already decided on the deps |
| 18:12.26 | DPA | Did you type in: apt-get install --no-install-recommends cacti lighttpd? |
| 18:12.53 | DPA | Was it jessie or ascii? |
| 18:13.04 | bozonius2 | lighttpd is already installed. |
| 18:13.14 | bozonius2 | ok |
| 18:13.29 | bozonius2 | apt-get install --no-install-recommends cacti apache2- |
| 18:13.35 | bozonius2 | not cacti- |
| 18:13.48 | bozonius2 | this seems to be working... |
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| 18:15.15 | bozonius2 | the install completes successfully |
| 18:15.32 | bozonius2 | at the end, it says "You are attempting to install cacti 0.8.8b onto a 0.6.x database." and gives instructions on how to handle it |
| 18:15.34 | bozonius2 | but why? |
| 18:15.50 | bozonius2 | why isn't it also a 0.8.8 database ? |
| 18:15.54 | bozonius2 | that's strange! |
| 18:17.37 | DPA | I dont know |
| 18:17.56 | bozonius2 | I'm googling this now... |
| 18:18.29 | bozonius2 | there's a cacti 1.0 out now, btw. |
| 18:18.37 | bozonius2 | it might have fewer challenges... |
| 18:23.59 | bozonius2 | thanks DPA and kaboutur for all your help and suggestions. I may try to run memtest86 next week some time if I have a chance to shut down. |
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| 21:14.45 | dmos | hey, installing on an arm laptop. it's booting, but having trouble with wifi and such. lshw is only listing cpu and memory. why could that be? |
| 21:14.48 | dmos | lsusb lists the usb wifi dongle for example. |
| 21:15.10 | fromport | firmware loaded ? |
| 21:16.08 | dmos | how could i tell? |
| 21:16.23 | dmos | lsmod lists about 4 items |
| 21:19.34 | fromport | what wifi dongle do you have ? |
| 21:20.05 | dmos | RTL8188CUS |
| 21:20.18 | dmos | i've apt installed realtek firmware |
| 21:20.35 | fromport | that was my question ;-) |
| 21:21.04 | fromport | do you see any evidence the formware got loaded ? dmesg |grep -i firm |
| 21:21.58 | dmos | i wouldn't know how to check. above commands returns nothing |
| 21:22.32 | dmos | dmesg | grep -i rtl returns nothing as well |
| 21:24.06 | fsmithred | lsmod lists only four items in total? |
| 21:24.22 | dmos | 4, yes |
| 21:24.42 | fsmithred | I know nothing about arm, but that sounds weird |
| 21:25.07 | fsmithred | I get 130 on amd64 right now |
| 21:25.27 | dmos | i've started from a barebones devuan image |
| 21:25.46 | dmos | it's setup for my laptop. asus c201p |
| 21:28.19 | fsmithred | try 'modprobe -v realtek' |
| 21:28.37 | dmos | not found |
| 21:29.06 | fsmithred | did you use an official devuan image, or did you make your own? |
| 21:29.21 | KatolaZ | it was called rtl8139 |
| 21:29.38 | KatolaZ | oh rtl8188 |
| 21:29.41 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 21:30.02 | KatolaZ | rtl8188ee? |
| 21:30.45 | dmos | unofficial. it's based on this one |
| 21:30.59 | dmos | https://notabug.org/dimkr/devsus |
| 21:31.29 | dmos | devsus is devuan for the c201p |
| 21:31.45 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:32.42 | dmos | any ideas? |
| 21:32.43 | fromport | lsmod | wc -l -> 175 ;-) |
| 21:32.46 | fsmithred | I just read the description |
| 21:32.58 | fsmithred | sounds like you need to do something to add the non-free firmware |
| 21:33.24 | dmos | i did. added it to apt.sources and installed the realtek firmware |
| 21:33.59 | dmos | files listed in `dpkg -L firmware-realtek` are on disk |
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| 21:34.30 | dmos | it's like the os doesn't care about connected devices |
| 21:34.39 | fromport | https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x For all drivers, no firmware from userspace is required for device operation. |
| 21:35.04 | fromport | ifconfig -a doesn't show anything ? |
| 21:35.18 | dmos | only loopback |
| 21:36.02 | fromport | stupid question: wifi is enabled in the bios and you don't have a "switch" to disable/enable wifi ? |
| 21:36.34 | fsmithred | do the linux-libre scripts do something to prevent installing non-free? |
| 21:36.38 | fromport | arm so you prob don't have bios ;-) |
| 21:36.49 | dmos | i'm not even trying to use the integrated wifi. there's a wifi dongle connected. it doesn't have a switch |
| 21:37.20 | dmos | fsmithred: that wouldn't be libre :) |
| 21:37.23 | fromport | my chromebook has a "switch" (combination) to enable/disable wireless |
| 21:37.51 | DPA | Does "rfkill list" show the device? |
| 21:38.40 | fromport | DPA: ty, that is what I was googling ;-) |
| 21:38.56 | dmos | the dongle works on rpi. anyway lsmod and lshw aren't showing it |
| 21:39.11 | dmos | DPA: i don't have rfkill installed :/ |
| 21:39.42 | dmos | i can reboot, chroot from cros and install rfkill, if you think it's worth it. |
| 21:40.01 | fsmithred | dmos, I agree |
| 21:40.38 | fromport | modprobe -v rtl8187 |
| 21:40.41 | dmos | i feel like we're missing something obvious |
| 21:40.53 | fromport | that should be the module that covers the RTL8188CUS |
| 21:40.56 | dmos | module not found |
| 21:41.18 | DPA | Even if it were blocked, ifconfig -a would show it. |
| 21:43.11 | fromport | dmos you kernel (module) does not have the rtl8187 support compiled in. On my intel hw: modprobe rtl8187; dmesg|tail -> usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 |
| 21:46.38 | dmos | according to this, the module should be rtl8192cu. https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-rtl8192cu |
| 21:46.59 | dmos | modprobe rtl8192cu |
| 21:47.13 | dmos | wrong terminal |
| 21:47.42 | fromport | you have an rtl 818x don't you ? |
| 21:47.53 | fromport | not a 9 |
| 21:48.02 | dmos | it's rtl8188cus |
| 21:48.56 | dmos | could you give me a run down of the mechanics here. is it not enough to have realtek firmware package installed? |
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| 22:37.03 | fsmithred | dmos, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/288027/what-are-the-differences-between-debian-linux-kernel-and-linux-libre |
| 22:37.40 | fsmithred | first sentence in the first answer says: the Debian kernel can load firmware, the Linux-libre kernel can't. |
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| 22:41.23 | dmos | interesting |
| 22:41.50 | dmos | is devuan using linux-libre kernel? |
| 22:42.05 | KatolaZ | gnuinos is |
| 22:42.11 | KatolaZ | and is based on devuan |
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| 22:56.24 | fromport | dmos: can you find config file for your kernel somewhere ? on intel it is in the /boot directory eg: /boot/config-4.13.0-1-amd64 |
| 22:57.01 | fromport | as root: find / -name config-\* |
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| 22:58.34 | dmos | fromport: not found |
| 22:58.43 | dmos | even with find |
| 22:59.30 | fromport | can't find it on my rpi3 either :-( |
| 22:59.58 | fromport | can you install different kernel on your devuan system manually ? |
| 23:00.05 | dmos | i got some help on another channel. there seem to be two things at play. one is that my kernel doesn't support the device. two is that the devsus script runs linux-libre's deblob, which removes drivers. |
| 23:00.33 | dmos | fromport: is that straightforward? |
| 23:01.15 | fromport | on intel hardware: YES, on arm: not so, you have to do a lot of manual things in order to get it booted with the bootloader _I_ would not know how to do it ! |
| 23:04.17 | dmos | i'll then try arch arm release. |
| 23:05.00 | dmos | i've tried debian, devuan, devsus. this seems to be the option (that anyone has had success with) |
| 23:05.19 | dmos | the last* option |
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| 23:57.51 | golinux | dmos: You could try #devuan-arm channel |