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| 00:07.19 | AlexLikeRock | tansk for all guys |
| 00:07.27 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:33.22 | xdb6f | m8 |
| 10:33.48 | xdb6f | devuan in installation tell me about a cd corrupted, how can i solve this? i can't go next without, i've burned my usb with dd |
| 10:35.46 | djph | check the checksum of the iso you downloaded |
| 10:38.17 | xdb6f | is correct |
| 10:38.26 | xdb6f | :d |
| 10:40.07 | xdb6f | djph |
| 10:40.49 | debdog | the pen drive might be broken |
| 10:41.13 | xdb6f | ._. ok |
| 10:42.33 | telst4r | do badblocks (the program) have any use on flash memory? |
| 10:44.32 | telst4r | I mean, does it work just the same on hdd and flash mems. wold it detect a broken memory cell and tell the flash not to use it again? like forced wear-off detection or whatever |
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| 10:55.05 | kaboutur| | telst4r: flash memory chips do their own wear-levelling correction , there is/ should be no need to have some software filesystem-layer repeat the process... more reads and writes (some thorough filesystem checks) to flashmem would actually just wear it out quicker |
| 10:56.42 | telst4r | does your sentence imply that reading (read-only surface scan) wears the flash out too..? |
| 10:57.03 | kaboutur| | reads are safe. just write your iso once and read it back to compare the hash with the original, so you know if it's your flashdrive that's the problem |
| 10:57.36 | kaboutur| | at least i would do it this way because i don't know any better solution |
| 10:58.55 | kaboutur| | but if you read it back with a tool like dd(1) , make sure you don't read the flashdrive contents beyond the size of the orginal ISO |
| 10:58.56 | telst4r | mm. I'm calling for badblocks to check if it's the writing process of the drive went wonky or is it the drive itself |
| 10:59.19 | telst4r | yup |
| 10:59.54 | kaboutur| | sure, you can try badblocks. it's software layer anyway. modern flashdrives can have millions of writes |
| 11:02.27 | xdb6f | ok |
| 11:04.38 | telst4r | mm. bb shows damaged blocks though. |
| 11:07.05 | kaboutur| | I'd just do sth like the following to ensure a drive is bad. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/flash bs=1M; sync; hexdump /dev/flash |
| 11:07.20 | kaboutur| | i had flashdrives that still came up with random data in hexdump after zeroing them |
| 11:07.51 | telst4r | wow :o |
| 11:08.57 | telst4r | do you know if shred would help that? |
| 11:09.46 | telst4r | it's supposed to write it many times over, how ever I don't know if it's just hype |
| 11:10.40 | kaboutur| | shred is for erasing files you don't want to be recovered.. besides it's slow. and you just want to check if you have a bad flashdisk right? |
| 11:12.13 | kaboutur| | i'd just throw the flashdisk away and get a new one. these things only cost a dollar or two. |
| 11:13.05 | kaboutur| | telst4r: using shred on solid state memory disks seems rather useless to me ;) |
| 11:13.47 | kaboutur| | like with defrag, it doesn't speed up your computer, but wears down the 'disk' faster |
| 11:17.17 | telst4r | mm. there might be something more to harddisk performance than just seek time. |
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| 11:27.49 | kaboutur| | heavily depends on the UDMA mode your disk works at |
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| 11:49.53 | l41f3n | Hello, I have a question please. Why devuan team build next release (ascii) on Stretch Debian release and not Buster ? |
| 11:50.17 | fsmithred | because ascii is tracking stretch, not buster |
| 11:50.38 | fsmithred | would you like us to not have a devuan with the same package versions as stretch? |
| 11:50.46 | l41f3n | yes but stretch will be old stable when ascii will released |
| 11:50.53 | fsmithred | devuan beowulf will track buster |
| 11:51.11 | fsmithred | no it won't - it's not going to take two years for ascii to be ready |
| 11:51.31 | fsmithred | things are moving along faster than they were when this project was started a couple years ago |
| 11:52.13 | l41f3n | ah ok :) |
| 11:52.30 | l41f3n | thank you |
| 11:52.34 | fsmithred | yw |
| 11:53.25 | MinceR | nice |
| 11:54.08 | fsmithred | there are just a few more things that need to be fixed before we can make isos |
| 11:54.27 | fsmithred | and those things are getting worked on now |
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| 12:56.45 | Walex | yes, my impression is that the numerous issues with 'stretch' and 'systemd' have been persuading more and more people to switch to 'devuan' and help with it. |
| 13:00.45 | buZz | ascii is imho already quite stable |
| 13:06.06 | fsmithred | yep |
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| 13:33.51 | AntoFox | parazyd are you there?? |
| 13:37.03 | parazyd | yes |
| 13:37.07 | parazyd | AntoFox: here |
| 13:38.06 | AntoFox | :P |
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| 16:36.20 | Evilham | AntoFox! :) |
| 16:36.35 | Evilham | oh, this is so old :-D I thought it was newer |
| 16:36.40 | Evilham | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.27 | ksx4system | hello, long time no see ;) |
| 16:59.38 | ksx4system | why my Devuan mirror (devuan.ksx4system.net) is no longer visible (and thus no longer first) on devuan.org? |
| 17:01.01 | ksx4system | two days ago it was still visible and first on the list :( (http://web.archive.org/web/20171024235443/https://devuan.org/) |
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| 17:06.56 | golinux | ksx4system: Possibly this. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1671 |
| 17:07.28 | golinux | mirrors will be moving to the new pkg server. |
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| 17:11.06 | ksx4system | golinux: so why others are still visible? mine was first and *very* reliable :( |
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| 17:13.22 | golinux | ksx4system: Check this page too: http://devuan.evilham.com/ |
| 17:14.53 | Evilham | hi hi :) |
| 17:14.58 | ksx4system | golinux: that page says it's unreachable but well, it is (and yes, I've verified this trying to access with three different Internet connections terminating in three different countries) |
| 17:14.58 | Evilham | let me take a look |
| 17:15.34 | ksx4system | Evilham: ok :) |
| 17:15.43 | golinux | Evilham to the rescue! |
| 17:15.57 | Evilham | got pinged by the domain :-p |
| 17:16.28 | Evilham | mmm |
| 17:16.49 | Evilham | can you check the server settings? |
| 17:17.03 | Evilham | e.g. what curl -I http://devuan.ksx4system.net/devuan_jessie.torrent returns |
| 17:18.02 | Evilham | I am getting odd replies in the Last-Modified header |
| 17:18.10 | Evilham | which, incidentally, is what is being checked |
| 17:18.52 | ksx4system | uh, I know what might be happening |
| 17:19.05 | Evilham | that reply goes against RFC7232 :-) |
| 17:19.28 | ksx4system | Evilham: unstable lighttpd has that nasty bug which causes Last-Modified to be completely b0rked |
| 17:19.49 | fsmithred | how many RFCs have you memorized? |
| 17:19.53 | ksx4system | will recompile and downgrade to stable now |
| 17:20.36 | Evilham | great, let me know when you do that and we'll see how it goes further |
| 17:20.56 | Evilham | fsmithred: that one is HTTP 1.1 :-D have read it a couple times |
| 17:21.22 | fsmithred | ok, I was going to be very unhappy if you knew them all by heart |
| 17:22.04 | Evilham | that's impossible! >,< |
| 17:26.22 | ksx4system | Evilham: fixed :) try again now |
| 17:26.39 | Evilham | *doing 30 things at the same time* |
| 17:29.08 | Evilham | curl looks ok |
| 17:29.29 | Evilham | manually running the mirror checker, let's see |
| 17:32.41 | Evilham | your mirror should show up in beta.devuan.org in a couple mins and in devuan.org a few after that :) |
| 17:33.06 | Evilham | ksx4system: ^^^ |
| 17:33.33 | ksx4system | Evilham: thanks :) |
| 17:33.46 | Evilham | thank you for hosting that! |
| 17:35.15 | ksx4system | Evilham: my pleasure :D |
| 17:36.01 | ksx4system | Evilham: also I see you gather information about available bandwidth, it'll be up to 1Gbit/s for devuan.ksx4system.net :) |
| 17:37.25 | Evilham | it will be as in: it will change soon? |
| 17:37.29 | Evilham | or it changed already? |
| 17:37.52 | Evilham | that info btw is what your fellow mirror hosters have provided :) |
| 17:38.02 | Evilham | we are not checking it or doing anything with it atm |
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| 19:39.09 | buZz | root@devuan:~# uname -a |
| 19:39.09 | buZz | Linux devuan 4.6.3-gb48d47a #1 SMP Thu Oct 13 00:34:22 CEST 2016 aarch64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:39.12 | buZz | o/ |
| 19:39.17 | buZz | and another ascii pi3 :) |
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| 20:57.23 | greenjeans | I love the smell of the delete button in the morning, it smells like victory. ;) |
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| 21:16.14 | fsmithred | dist-upgrade should not take 5 hours on a 100Mb/s connection, even in vbox. |
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| 21:22.21 | greenjeans | hey fsr! |
| 21:22.28 | fsmithred | hi greenjeans |
| 21:22.31 | NewGnuGuy | makes snarky comment about how that would be considered unusually fast if we were instead talking about Windows Update. |
| 21:22.46 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:23.09 | fsmithred | I'm gonna write a Hownotto |
| 21:24.22 | greenjeans | line 1036 or so? Refractasnapshot-gui, change "--width=200" to "--width=320" and it will stop cutting off the end of the title |
| 21:24.42 | greenjeans | works all the way up to size 14 text |
| 21:24.46 | fsmithred | gimme a minute to dig it out |
| 21:25.00 | greenjeans | depending on resolution too |
| 21:25.19 | greenjeans | variables ya know, they make easy scripts hard |
| 21:26.18 | fsmithred | the All Finished window? |
| 21:26.27 | greenjeans | thats the one |
| 21:26.33 | fsmithred | (my line numbers may have changed) |
| 21:26.39 | greenjeans | ahhh |
| 21:26.57 | greenjeans | it's a tiny thing |
| 21:27.04 | greenjeans | but you know how I am |
| 21:27.07 | greenjeans | lol |
| 21:27.13 | fsmithred | done |
| 21:27.23 | greenjeans | you rock |
| 21:27.31 | fsmithred | yeah, that's ok. I'm surprised that's the only one you noticed. |
| 21:27.43 | fsmithred | did you see any that say "Yad" in the title? |
| 21:27.46 | greenjeans | oh I saw a couple more |
| 21:27.57 | greenjeans | but that's the only one i've messed with so far |
| 21:28.04 | fsmithred | write them down and I'll fix them. I'm blind to those errors. |
| 21:28.27 | greenjeans | I will, meant to make a list but since I was here thought i'd mention that one |
| 21:29.13 | fsmithred | np |
| 21:29.25 | fsmithred | the problem is the laptop on the floor behind me. |
| 21:29.31 | fsmithred | still going... |
| 21:29.48 | greenjeans | yikes |
| 21:29.50 | fsmithred | started with debian jessie install at 10:30am |
| 21:30.00 | fsmithred | that took about an hour, which is normal |
| 21:30.24 | fsmithred | upgrade to ascii has not gone well. It's still going now at 5:30pm |
| 21:30.32 | greenjeans | wow |
| 21:30.33 | fsmithred | next time, remove gnome first! |
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| 21:30.49 | greenjeans | lol, gnome is malware isn't it? |
| 21:30.53 | fsmithred | and give the VM two cores |
| 21:31.09 | greenjeans | deleted/uninstalled some damn gnome this morning |
| 21:31.09 | fsmithred | yeah, but I wanted to do it. |
| 21:31.39 | fsmithred | I'm sure someone will ask about it. |
| 21:31.48 | fsmithred | or try it. |
| 21:31.53 | greenjeans | stupid solitaire wanted 50 mb of yelp crap just to display a text help file |
| 21:32.08 | fsmithred | less |
| 21:33.11 | greenjeans | on the bright side, I got to make another little yad/shell script |
| 21:33.18 | greenjeans | love me some yad |
| 21:33.21 | fsmithred | what's it do? |
| 21:33.54 | greenjeans | just offers selection of games when you click "solitaire" in the Games section of the menu |
| 21:34.05 | greenjeans | quick and simple |
| 21:34.19 | greenjeans | loaded a much simpler solitaire program |
| 21:34.32 | greenjeans | got rid of 24 mb of gnome solitaire |
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| 21:34.52 | greenjeans | help files work now too |
| 21:35.17 | greenjeans | next Vuu-do will be even smaller as a result |
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| 21:37.01 | greenjeans | okay, Mrs greenjeans wants to go shop for a new couch, see y'all! |
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| 22:49.11 | Hurgotron | Quick q... I want to migrate an Ubuntu install - root encrypted on LVM on md - to Devuan. Does that work? (Yes, I'll test it.) Which iso do I need? Standard one? |
| 22:52.40 | n4dir | you mean install devuan and then copy a few of important config files ? or just data? |
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| 22:53.11 | n4dir | i think : often using config files from other distros can work (but not always). data is no problem, obviously. |
| 22:53.45 | Xenguy | just never mixes distros... |
| 22:55.05 | Hurgotron | n4dir: It's a remote server which I want to upgrade. I have a remote KVM / IPMI console where I can attach boot media via network. I just want to replace the OS and keep the data. |
| 22:55.53 | matlock | Hurgotron can you downgrade to xeial first? |
| 22:56.00 | Xenguy | rsync your data to a couple of backups? |
| 22:56.02 | Hurgotron | I will replace the whole OS, I just want to make sure that soft RAID, LVM amd Luks get recognized. I know some insall media are too minimal for that. |
| 22:56.38 | Hurgotron | matlock: Ubuntu 12.04 currently (dont ask) |
| 22:57.25 | Hurgotron | Xenguy: I do have backups. I prefer not to have to use them. |
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| 22:58.04 | matlock | Hurgotron no matter what you do, I recommend you make new backups and verify them before doing anything |
| 22:58.13 | Xenguy | Your requirements seem complex; and maybe I do not understand your main mission and conditions (I came into the convo late I think) |
| 22:58.18 | Xenguy | Hurgotron: ^^ |
| 22:58.31 | Hurgotron | matlock: of course. I'll even test the whole procedure on a similar machine. |
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| 22:59.04 | n4dir | don't laugh: but as far i know the devuan installer is very similar, build on top of, the debian installer? I wouldn't call that one minimal. |
| 22:59.11 | matlock | Hurgotron this has high likelihood of breaking and is generally not recommended, but it is possible; I would consider cloning this machine and trying it in a VM first |
| 22:59.25 | n4dir | but i ain't got experience with raid or lvm ... |
| 22:59.49 | Hurgotron | Xenguy: Basically, I'd like to know which Devuan media is capable to recognize md / LVM / Luks. I'll ficgure out the rest. |
| 23:00.12 | matlock | Hurgotron all of them, pretty sure that's the default install |
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| 23:00.35 | gnarface | Hurgotron: just don't use one of the live images |
| 23:00.52 | matlock | the easiest thing to try would be to update to devuan's repositories and run apt dist-upgrade |
| 23:00.58 | Xenguy | Hurgotron: FWIW, the one time I installed Devuan, the installer gave me an option for LVM, and whatever the disk encryption option is (LUKS?). |
| 23:01.16 | Hurgotron | matlock: desktop-live says LVM or RAID not supported, |
| 23:01.25 | Hurgotron | gnarface: Got it, thanks. |
| 23:01.37 | matlock | Hurgotron yeah gnarface is right, forgot about the live images |
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| 23:05.55 | Hurgotron | matlock: Well, I *could* just change the sources.list to Devuans repos and then dist-upgrade indeed. High chance of breakage, but I wuld lose nothing because I could still try a fresh install later... interesting idea. |
| 23:06.29 | matlock | and it would be an upgrade and you're upgrading from a non-systemd version, so it's more likely to work than downgrading a recent debian or ubuntu |
| 23:07.53 | n4dir | Hurgotron: i would say you can't do that. |
| 23:07.54 | Hurgotron | *nods* I'll try it with my test machine. Thanks for the idea. |
| 23:08.18 | Hurgotron | n4dir: What exactly? repo change aind dist-upgrade? |
| 23:08.26 | n4dir | yup |
| 23:08.54 | n4dir | i sure have never heard anyone succeed with such. In a bit more than 10 years. |
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| 23:09.40 | matlock | n4dir https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan |
| 23:10.39 | Hurgotron | matlock: Well, not from Ubuntu. |
| 23:10.43 | n4dir | yeah, but that is not from Ubuntu -> Debian (or Devuan), or do i see it wrong? |
| 23:11.34 | Hurgotron | n4dir: as I said, high change of breakage. I'm 80% sure it won't work, but I'll try. I'll tell you if it did ;) |
| 23:12.12 | n4dir | yeah, for the lulz, why not? |
| 23:13.11 | matlock | I also think you stand a higher likelihood of it working from a non-systemd distro |
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| 23:21.23 | golinux | Hurgotron: Ubuntu is not Debian. Moving to Devuan from there is unlikely to work. |
| 23:22.30 | n4dir | worst case scenario: it will for for the time being, and break in the far future .... |
| 23:22.42 | n4dir | will work for ... |
| 23:23.04 | Xenguy | A veritable fool's errand = ) |
| 23:23.18 | golinux | Devuan upgrade is only compatible from Debian wheezy or jessie to Devuan Jessie |
| 23:24.54 | golinux | There will soon be 'official' options to upgrade to ascii. They are being tested atm |
| 23:25.25 | n4dir | ascii is the actual stable ? |
| 23:25.32 | matlock | no, jessie is, for now |
| 23:25.32 | Xenguy | Soon? |
| 23:25.45 | n4dir | the actual debian stable i mean |
| 23:25.55 | gnarface | based on it, yes |
| 23:26.01 | golinux | We're working on it |
| 23:26.07 | gnarface | devuan is just behind a bit on which one is "stable" |
| 23:26.30 | golinux | And which one is old stable |
| 23:26.42 | n4dir | i got quite a few debian old-stable installations around. |
| 23:26.44 | matlock | there is no old stable on devuan, those are debian names |
| 23:27.26 | golinux | They are names devuan would use also if we were caught up |
| 23:27.31 | matlock | right now debian old stable and devuan jessie are the same thing |
| 23:27.56 | golinux | Exactly. You cannot use those description s in sources.list |
| 23:28.19 | golinux | You have to use the release codename. |
| 23:28.30 | matlock | no, devuan has it's own names now, the plan is to eventually fork completely, particularly if debian keeps growing more emeshed with systemd |
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| 23:29.11 | matlock | you could use oldstable if you're pointing at debian apt servers, but no, not devuan apt servers |
| 23:29.13 | golinux | The plan is we will fork is necessary which it may not be. |
| 23:29.22 | golinux | is > if |
| 23:29.38 | golinux | Not yet. |
| 23:29.58 | golinux | You have some not quite correct ideas, matlock |
| 23:30.55 | matlock | very likely |
| 23:30.58 | golinux | Once devuan jessie becomes oldstable it would be possible to use that designation. Just not the best idea. |
| 23:31.11 | matlock | that I have incorrect ideas |
| 23:31.30 | matlock | I use ubuntu ppa's in my devuan jessie sources.list, just very careful about how I pin the repos |
| 23:31.57 | golinux | Especially if Debian jessie becomes ololdstable before devuan jessie does |
| 23:32.33 | golinux | Good luck with that, matlock :rollseyes: |
| 23:34.03 | n4dir | on another note: i installed debian gnu/kFreeBSD. It does the job well, as far i see. It is old-stable, there is no stable, but, if i understood correct, you can upgrade to sid. Wondering how they deal with the situation |
| 23:35.55 | matlock | golinux I live on the edge |
| 23:36.36 | golinux | Obviously |
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| 23:38.21 | matlock | n4dir what version of the freebsd kernel does it run? |
| 23:38.30 | n4dir | 10 * |
| 23:38.35 | n4dir | not sure, something with 10 |
| 23:39.45 | matlock | so it's a bit behind, but I like the idea of swapping in a kernel, BSD kernel gets ported to a lot of platforms |
| 23:40.02 | n4dir | like said: it is debian old-stable. |
| 23:41.35 | matlock | I was referring to the freebsd kernel itself, which is independent of debian release cycle, I don't think they have freebsd 11 kernel working yet on any releases |
| 23:41.57 | n4dir | what i meant: i don't know if debian sid has a newer kernel. |
| 23:44.02 | n4dir | nah, seems like it's 10 too |
| 23:47.23 | matlock | that's one reason I like linux, I like being able to pull and compile a fresh custom kernel every couple weeks |
| 23:47.54 | Hurgotron | I prefer if i don't have to :P |
| 23:48.02 | n4dir | ha ha ha. same thought here. |
| 23:54.08 | Xenguy | matlock: I went through a period when I wanted to learn how to do that... |
| 23:54.37 | Xenguy | So I learned how to compile my kernel, and I loved watching the compiler output :) |
| 23:54.58 | n4dir | gotta love slackware or gentoo then ... |
| 23:55.34 | Xenguy | Later on, once I'd learned how, the novelty kinda wore off, and I figured the default debian kernels work just fine |
| 23:56.08 | Xenguy | n4dir: true, tho never tried either |
| 23:57.07 | n4dir | gotta say that i prefer the binary way. (if it is called like that). At least you don't get the error message some hours later ... :-) |
| 23:57.35 | Xenguy | trusted binaries seem the easiest to me |
| 23:57.51 | Xenguy | Compiling is cool tho, but when it works |
| 23:58.26 | n4dir | lol. that's true. and usually i don't understand a word of the error message. so i simply have to give up |
| 23:58.58 | n4dir | later folks. |
| 23:59.02 | Xenguy | nn |