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| 01:30.34 | chanku | Hey |
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| 02:12.55 | redrick | Sad news: Linux Journal has shut down: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication |
| 02:13.14 | blinkdog | blames systemd |
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| 02:15.07 | jonadab | ... Linux Journal was still going? I hadn't heard anything about it in, like, fifteen years. |
| 02:15.14 | jonadab | Err, maybe only twelve. |
| 02:15.16 | jonadab | Still. |
| 02:16.11 | redrick | Basically, Phil Hughes the publisher got tired of it, retired to Costa Rica, and sold everything to Carly Fairchild of Austin, who converted it to digital-only and ran it on a shoestring for a long time. |
| 02:17.06 | redrick | You haven't seen paper issues because of that, since 2011. |
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| 02:24.21 | redrick | Sorry, correct spelling: Carlie Fairchild |
| 02:26.04 | redrick | In days of yore: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6867 <-- Dig that 32MB USB flash drive. |
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| 07:41.12 | koris | are there any Ascii releases available? I didn't see any but I only did a quick look and could've missed something easily |
| 07:46.09 | chillfan | ascii is not yet released |
| 07:47.22 | chillfan | Though it's priority 1 to release a beta at the moment, so might be worth checking the DNG mailing list in a week or two for news about that |
| 07:49.45 | chillfan | in the meantime you can upgrade jessie to ascii, or do a debootstrap install if you want |
| 07:50.36 | golinux | fsmithred has some Refracta ascii nox live isos here https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/ |
| 07:52.56 | golinux | Or upgrade as chillfan suggests |
| 07:53.38 | chillfan | I'm liking ascii now that systemd is banned in amprolla |
| 07:54.10 | golinux | Systemd has always been banned in amprolla |
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| 07:56.38 | golinux | Did you see this on DNG? One of the benefits of installing eudev: |
| 07:57.22 | golinux | Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us, the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list. |
| 07:57.53 | chillfan | ah yeah, since apparently udev has moved to systemd sources |
| 07:59.12 | golinux | Bed for me. Bye. |
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| 08:27.49 | aitor | moin moin |
| 08:42.43 | aitor | There is no seed for the following torrent of refracta: |
| 08:42.44 | aitor | http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=1455e51e4b36f48b387d3ad427b574dea224b64a |
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| 10:03.39 | aitor | 5:00 in boston, fsr is asleep |
| 10:04.25 | aitor | parazyd, are you there? |
| 10:05.55 | parazyd | sure |
| 10:06.02 | aitor | hi |
| 10:06.44 | aitor | i'm building the live-sdk including the backports and linux-libre-4.9 taking debian-installer from ascii |
| 10:07.00 | aitor | if it works, it will work for ascii too |
| 10:07.49 | parazyd | okay |
| 10:07.55 | aitor | i'm also finishing the popup menu and hope to upload the sources today |
| 10:08.44 | parazyd | that's for gnuinos though, right? |
| 10:08.57 | aitor | yes |
| 10:09.02 | parazyd | and you're using a blend file? |
| 10:09.10 | aitor | you also use a dynamic menu in heads with awesome, is it obmenu-generator |
| 10:09.24 | aitor | yes, i'm using a blend file |
| 10:09.26 | parazyd | right |
| 10:09.51 | aitor | the code related to d-i is in the blend file, but it hould be in zlibs |
| 10:09.57 | aitor | should* |
| 10:10.58 | parazyd | okay. i'd be interested in looking at the code once you're done |
| 10:11.00 | parazyd | let me know |
| 10:11.12 | aitor | of course |
| 10:19.46 | aitor | need to buy some food |
| 10:20.02 | aitor | if i am not back in a few minuts, it's because i broke a leg |
| 10:20.10 | aitor | the city is snowy here :) |
| 10:21.32 | parazyd | haha |
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| 10:22.07 | aitor | see you later |
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| 10:58.06 | jaromil | ahaha lets hope he doesn't break a leg |
| 10:58.15 | jaromil | very nice work on gnuinos |
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| 11:50.49 | aitor | jaromil: yes, i broke it (msg sent from my LG mobile) |
| 11:51.02 | aitor | need to go (to the hospital) |
| 11:51.11 | parazyd | lol wut |
| 11:51.56 | fsmithred | fsr is awake now |
| 11:51.59 | fsmithred | just barely |
| 11:52.04 | parazyd | aitor is dead now |
| 11:52.07 | fsmithred | aitor, get back here. |
| 11:52.12 | parazyd | rip |
| 11:52.22 | fsmithred | not from a broken leg. |
| 11:52.35 | fsmithred | parazyd, I'm having some trouble with the new live-sdk |
| 11:52.43 | parazyd | with ascii? |
| 11:52.46 | fsmithred | when I make a live-usb, it does not boot on uefi |
| 11:52.49 | fsmithred | yeah, ascii |
| 11:53.00 | fsmithred | boots uefi in vbox, but not on hardware |
| 11:53.11 | parazyd | ok |
| 11:53.12 | parazyd | hold on |
| 11:53.14 | fsmithred | I turn on computer, press F12 to get the boot device menu |
| 11:53.20 | fsmithred | and it does not see the usb |
| 11:53.47 | fsmithred | isos made with refractasnapshot or with old live-sdk (May?) do boot. |
| 11:54.12 | fsmithred | I looked at the changes you made and played around with them, but I can't find what's causing it. |
| 11:54.20 | parazyd | try replacing live-sdk/extra/syslinux files with the ones provided by devuan |
| 11:54.32 | fsmithred | Tried isohdpfx.bin from host |
| 11:54.40 | parazyd | in devuan they are in multiple locations iirc, but .32 files are at the same place |
| 11:54.43 | fsmithred | ok, I didn't try replacing all of them |
| 11:55.09 | jaromil | nooooo |
| 11:55.17 | fsmithred | ? |
| 11:55.27 | jaromil | aitor broke a leg |
| 11:55.37 | fsmithred | fpr real? |
| 11:55.43 | fsmithred | fpr/for |
| 11:55.48 | jaromil | well that may be positive for the project since now he cannot move too much away from keyboard |
| 11:55.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 11:56.44 | parazyd | lmao |
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| 12:20.56 | chillfan | I broke a leg last year, although that incident only helped me hone FPS gaming skills :p |
| 12:25.47 | jaromil | eheh... |
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| 12:54.04 | fsmithred | parazyd, replacing all the syslinux files did not help |
| 12:54.22 | parazyd | mmm ok |
| 12:54.34 | parazyd | i'll give it a look later today, to see what i've changed |
| 12:55.09 | parazyd | fsmithred: it doesn't reach isolinux at all, right? |
| 12:56.08 | fsmithred | isolinux boots fine on bios |
| 12:56.21 | fsmithred | grub boots fine on uefi in vbox |
| 12:56.40 | fsmithred | on uefi hardware, computer doesn't even see the usb stick |
| 12:56.58 | parazyd | ok |
| 12:57.10 | parazyd | but uefi hw should boot into grub then rather than isolinux? |
| 12:57.18 | fsmithred | yes |
| 12:57.22 | parazyd | noted |
| 12:57.31 | fsmithred | but I'm wondering if the isohybrid is wrong |
| 12:57.57 | parazyd | you could find out with burning a cd, but i don't think it's worth it |
| 12:57.59 | fsmithred | you know anything about isohdppx.bin? |
| 12:58.09 | parazyd | just where it comes from |
| 12:58.22 | parazyd | anyway, i'll be back in a couple of hours |
| 12:58.25 | parazyd | ttyl |
| 12:58.27 | fsmithred | it's not in extra/syslinux but is in ISOLINUX/ |
| 12:58.29 | fsmithred | ok |
| 12:58.47 | parazyd | ISOLINUX comes from debian. they're all part of upstream syslinux |
| 12:58.55 | parazyd | that said, you might find some info on the syslinux website |
| 12:58.59 | parazyd | afk |
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| 13:12.42 | fsmithred | parazyd, I think I found it. Tried running iso_make_efi manually, and I got the error that mkfs.vfat can't be found. Needs to be /sbin/mkfs.vfat in the script. Testing now. |
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| 13:52.39 | fsmithred | confirmed. That was it. All better now. |
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| 15:03.10 | nepugia | ascii has been working nicely so far |
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| 15:24.34 | parazyd | fsmithred: oh okay |
| 15:24.50 | parazyd | fsmithred: can you load the sdk shell and echo "$PATH" ? what does that say |
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| 17:25.00 | fsmithred | parazyd, /home/user/bin:/home/user/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 17:26.09 | parazyd | in the sdk shell? once you load the blend? |
| 17:26.23 | parazyd | hmm, that's not right. and that's why the issue arised... |
| 17:26.47 | parazyd | ah crap i missed it |
| 17:26.58 | parazyd | i'll add this to vm and live |
| 17:27.03 | parazyd | it's only in arm-sdk |
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| 17:29.23 | clemens3 | Hi, I am on devuan arm jessie on a raspberry pi 2, and sound is not working by default.. while on raspian stretch it works.. any trick to turn it on, unmute or so.. i have simple openbox wm.. thanks |
| 17:30.15 | fsmithred | yes, I loaded the blend. |
| 17:30.18 | clemens3 | raspian works via hdmi cable and the plug in the hdmi monitor |
| 17:41.48 | nepugia | hdmi and 3.5 plug? (sounds like issues i have with my laptop e.g hdmi sound beeing default alsa device) |
| 17:42.07 | nepugia | if sound is muted you can use alsamixer to unmute it |
| 17:42.55 | nepugia | do you see 2 soundcards in alsamixer? |
| 17:43.12 | clemens3 | hmm, need to be in group sound or such? get error from amixer and alsomixer, mom |
| 17:43.34 | clemens3 | let me try as root or with sudo instead |
| 17:43.58 | nepugia | if it works as superuser it might really need a group :) |
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| 17:44.20 | clemens3 | as root alsamixer starts, otherwise not |
| 17:45.47 | nepugia | i dont think i have a sound group, but it might be different on raspberry |
| 17:45.52 | golinux | There is a command line fix for this but I don't have the time to search atm. The botbot logs of this channel has an excellent search function. Anbd the answrer is also somewhere on dev1galaxy.org |
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| 17:46.41 | clemens3 | i don't want to run my browser as root, so how can i test if quickly if sound is working as root? |
| 17:47.03 | clemens3 | golinux: thanks, yes, easy.. |
| 17:52.23 | parazyd | clemens3: aplay |
| 17:52.30 | fsmithred | speaker-test |
| 17:53.04 | clemens3 | fsmithred: super, it works, as root! |
| 17:53.08 | fsmithred | if you put your ear up to it, it sounds like the ocean |
| 17:53.19 | clemens3 | so is group setting or something like that.. should be fixable |
| 17:53.43 | fsmithred | adduser <username> audio |
| 17:55.43 | fsmithred | or 'groups <username' to check |
| 17:55.48 | fsmithred | oops |
| 17:55.50 | clemens3 | fsmithred: okay, solved, thanks a lot |
| 17:55.53 | fsmithred | cool |
| 17:56.11 | clemens3 | had no sound for months, so easy and a bit logical:) |
| 17:56.45 | clemens3 | parazyd: thanks too |
| 17:57.25 | clemens3 | so then I can ditch my raspian card again..:) |
| 17:57.26 | fsmithred | here are some other groups you might need: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev |
| 17:57.43 | clemens3 | okay |
| 17:57.55 | clemens3 | i might add them, shouldnt hurt.. |
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| 17:58.15 | fsmithred | they might not all exist |
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| 17:58.20 | fsmithred | I don't know raspian |
| 17:58.23 | fsmithred | or raspuan |
| 17:58.28 | clemens3 | video on youtube worked already, basically all i needed, otherwise happy to mount as root and copy over the old way.. |
| 17:59.18 | clemens3 | well raspian immediately booted into a user without password and gui all setup.. but was just installed for testing and comparing.. I like my root user and startx ect. |
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| 18:46.55 | Xenguy | dpkg -L alsa-utils |grep bin |sort |less -IM |
| 18:52.30 | parazyd | fsmithred: i pushed the patch for $PATH. i suppose this will solve the issue |
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| 19:33.01 | aitor | hi, i'm at home again |
| 19:34.05 | aitor | here you are my address if you want to send me bonbons: |
| 19:34.08 | aitor | http://paste.debian.net/998790 |
| 19:34.38 | aitor | and/or t-shirts |
| 19:35.01 | OmegaPhil | But no anthrax |
| 19:35.10 | aitor | lol |
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| 19:45.33 | aitor | something went wrong in the blend copying the modules-4.9.0-3-686-di to debian-installer/build/localudebs :( |
| 19:45.38 | aitor | i'll try again |
| 19:46.20 | aitor | brb |
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| 20:12.27 | goyschak | hello, I'm using wicd as a network manager and in fstab are mounts to a NAS. When the laptop ist booted, the mount command is executed before the network is available. Hence the NAS drives are not mounted and after every reboot I have to mount them manually. is there a cure for that? Any hints to solve this problem, please? |
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| 20:17.13 | nepugia | add late for options |
| 20:17.33 | goyschak | too stupid a question or Saturday night fever? |
| 20:17.59 | nepugia | huh? |
| 20:18.05 | goyschak | just "late" like "noatime" etc.? |
| 20:18.33 | nepugia | i sometimes have such trouble and late usually does the trick :) |
| 20:18.54 | goyschak | I typed the comment before your answer came |
| 20:19.18 | goyschak | ok, i'll give that a try. thanx a lot |
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| 20:24.33 | edbarx | Can I revert to using udev in ASCII? Installing eudev broke autolisting of USB thumbdrives in Thunar. |
| 20:25.15 | Xenguy | hugs ranger ... |
| 20:25.30 | KatolaZ | edbarx: sure you can |
| 20:25.46 | KatolaZ | but eudev will be standard in ascii |
| 20:26.11 | KatolaZ | so it's better to try to solve the problem instead than going around it |
| 20:28.11 | gnarface | hmm |
| 20:28.33 | gnarface | maybe i can convince you guys to fix some udev related regressions then too |
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| 20:29.26 | KatolaZ | I guess it might just be a matter of placing the correct conf somewhere |
| 20:29.41 | gnarface | (regular systemd-udevd broke xinput protocol support for named buttons and such after jessie, which is a pain in the ass on steam since most the public controller profile listings rely on them now) |
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| 20:30.32 | gnarface | (i'm still whishing for one of you guys to get a steam controller and a steam account so i can help you debug it) |
| 20:31.25 | gnarface | (that would be a big win for eudev and devuan, since neither debian nor valve seem to care about fixing this, indeed they don't actually seem to be capable of recognizing the problem. i'm not sure they even test the linux client on linux) |
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| 20:41.34 | gnarface | and, it's probably important to note that this, if not addressed, will literally cripple controller support in every single game coming out going forward |
| 20:41.45 | gnarface | it's just that Steam happens to be on the cutting edge of adoption right now |
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| 20:42.30 | blinkdog | hmmm, not cheap those Steam controllers.. $70 new |
| 20:42.41 | gnarface | they're on sale right now for like 35$ |
| 20:42.51 | gnarface | they should never have been 70 new |
| 20:42.56 | gnarface | msrp is 49.99 |
| 20:42.56 | blinkdog | Please share link? |
| 20:43.03 | gnarface | just in the steam store |
| 20:43.13 | gnarface | http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 20:43.22 | gnarface | don't buy them from one of those mall store vendors |
| 20:43.25 | gnarface | buy directly from valve |
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| 20:44.24 | gnarface | http://store.steampowered.com/app/353370/Steam_Controller/ |
| 20:44.37 | gnarface | doh, the sale may have ended yesterday |
| 20:44.48 | KatolaZ | edbarx: can you please make a concise description of the regression |
| 20:44.54 | KatolaZ | and put it into a bug report |
| 20:44.55 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 20:45.04 | KatolaZ | edbarx: that would be very useful |
| 20:46.19 | gnarface | blinkdog: note that the regression also affects *all* controller support using "XInput" it's just more important for the steam controller because so many of the community contributed profiles use it and so many of the games don't work without them |
| 20:47.50 | gnarface | blinkdog: (and no, you don't also need a "steam link" to use one - that's just for in-home LAN streaming) |
| 20:50.09 | gnarface | but it seems that going forward, all games will be using XInput because that lets it work on windows too, or something like that |
| 20:50.39 | gnarface | the old numbered button scheme is getting tossed right out the window |
| 20:50.50 | gnarface | (and wouldn't have worked in any meaninful way for touchpad control anyway) |
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| 20:52.37 | gnarface | lack of support for this will also affect any games recognizing "xbox360" as a standard controller type |
| 20:57.13 | gnarface | sorry guys, i should have mentioned the sale sooner. i thought it was going until the 10th. |
| 21:05.42 | parazyd | gnarface: did you get a steamlink? |
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| 21:14.35 | gnarface | parazyd: ordered one last week when they were on sale for $5 but it's not here yet |
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| 21:36.33 | aitor | hi again |
| 21:37.10 | aitor | i solved the issue with the kernel modules |
| 21:38.02 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: as i said some days ago... |
| 21:38.03 | aitor | libatspi0-udeb : Depends: libdbus-1-3-udeb (>= 1.10.22) but 1.10.18-1+devuan2.3 is to be installed |
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| 21:53.00 | aitor | edbarx: "Can I revert to using udev in ASCII? Installing eudev broke autolisting of USB thumbdrives in Thunar", you said |
| 21:54.10 | aitor | it's not related with eudev (i still didn't give it a try), but with vdev |
| 21:54.33 | aitor | recently i did some changes in the vdev-assistant |
| 21:55.28 | aitor | vdev provides a concret version of udev |
| 21:58.15 | chillfan | is there any news on vdev? there seems to be no commit for 2 years |
| 21:59.05 | aitor | if the udev version is upgraded, then it's not viable to change from udev to vdev (but it's viable on the other way around) |
| 22:00.52 | aitor | chillfan: no news from jude nelson |
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| 22:02.19 | chillfan | Ah, shame. I am hoping vdev does not get abandoned altogether, as I was looking forward to seeing it in action |
| 22:03.51 | aitor | i wish :) |
| 22:04.41 | aitor | gnuinos jessie will use vdev, and it's comming soon! |
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| 22:05.20 | chillfan | great, I think it will make a nice distro for my laptop |
| 22:06.03 | chillfan | do you have ascii/ceres repos in place? |
| 22:06.39 | aitor | i'm only using ascii for my gtkmm projects |
| 22:07.03 | aitor | but i'm working on the installer |
| 22:08.06 | aitor | i still didn't test vdev on ascii |
| 22:08.32 | aitor | time to dinner, see you later |
| 22:08.47 | chillfan | Thanks for the info |
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