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| 00:06.59 | phogg | FatPhil: nano seems like a reasonable choice as console editor that the uninitiated can figure out. Those in the know can install something better. Do you know of another console editor that's lighter and as friendly? |
| 00:11.43 | deefrom | if people don't like nano as default editor, they should want it changed to ed. ed is the true unix default editor. nano is fine. |
| 00:12.30 | chillfan | I sense a likely outbreak of editor wars |
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| 00:13.54 | FatPhil | I think learning a bit of vi should be compulsory. It strengthens you as a human to swear at modality a few hundred times. |
| 00:14.18 | MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html |
| 00:15.23 | FatPhil | I'm not sure I ever used ed at all. The Suns and the Vaxen both had emacs when I was cutting my teeth. |
| 00:16.08 | phogg | deefrom++ |
| 00:16.40 | phogg | FatPhil: without risking starting an editor war I disagree very strongly. On systems where my choice is vi and ed I use ed. |
| 00:17.01 | chillfan | If you're frustrated editors, just use notepad.exe under wine. |
| 00:17.20 | phogg | ...to the extent that any mention of editors can occur without risking an editor war, that is. |
| 00:17.24 | FatPhil | chillfan: most of my systems are headless |
| 00:17.48 | msiism | if i'm not mistaken, the new version of nano in devuan ascii will even offer line numbers. what a leap. |
| 00:17.59 | chillfan | an unsandboxed dosemu and edit then |
| 00:18.08 | FatPhil | so console editors over ssh are where it's at. I notice ed isn't even installed by default on devuan |
| 00:18.48 | chillfan | nor on debian since wheezy as far as I remember |
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| 00:19.56 | FatPhil | next time I'm in the office, I'll power up an ed then, to see how it compares to nano |
| 00:21.04 | chillfan | If you really want to feel empowered.. cat > filename << EOF |
| 00:21.11 | FatPhil | I do use vi on my phone, and zile (very lightweight emacsalike) on real machines. |
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| 00:21.50 | EHeM | Emacs seems a reasonable OS, it merely needs a decent text editor. |
| 00:21.51 | FatPhil | my typing is so terrible, it would need to be a line editor, else there would be hundreds of backspace |
| 00:22.54 | chillfan | with all due respect, emacs and all it's repos should be sent to /dev/null. |
| 00:22.56 | MinceR | afaik there's a decent text editor for emacs, it's called "evil" |
| 00:23.50 | FatPhil | chillfan: the problem is that I've been using emacs since the 1980s, so it's kinda hard to drop. |
| 00:23.50 | phogg | FatPhil: ed assumes your screen is a paper printer. You are unlikely to enjoy it. |
| 00:24.00 | rrq | when you want to make untrained people mess with configuration files, then nano is in fact a good choice; the only(?) one that comes with on-screen manual. |
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| 00:24.24 | FatPhil | on-screen manual is good. uEmacs used to have that too. |
| 00:24.36 | phogg | rrq: pretty sure ee has an onscreen prompt, too, but who installs ee? |
| 00:24.48 | rrq | :) |
| 00:25.58 | EHeM | I've used editors similar to `ed`, not particularly pleasant, but they do work. |
| 00:26.46 | FatPhil | busybox vi is so simple and lightweight that there's little reason to need anything more lightweight. |
| 00:27.10 | chillfan | better yet use echo and newline separators and just use stdout to write the file |
| 00:27.15 | greenjeans | love me some nano, a must-have IMO |
| 00:27.29 | FatPhil | that's what I use on my phone. It's configured a little bit too lightweight, though, doesn't have 'u', alas. |
| 00:27.44 | phogg | EHeM: every now and then I get stuck on a terminal with a dead slow ssh connection to the other side of the world. When the keystroke echo time is >3 seconds I'm glad I can use ed. |
| 00:28.04 | greenjeans | vim is annoying |
| 00:28.25 | greenjeans | but I use a GUI editor 99% of the time for everything |
| 00:28.31 | FatPhil | Yeah, I'm just in shock. I've not used nano for about 5 years, and suddenly devuan thrust it in my face (despite me installing alternative editors) - it's PTSD. |
| 00:28.43 | greenjeans | etc/alternatives |
| 00:28.50 | greenjeans | don't have to live with it |
| 00:29.13 | phogg | and now we're full circle |
| 00:29.19 | FatPhil | yeah, that's how the conversation started - I found alternatives help to be sub-standard |
| 00:29.27 | greenjeans | pluma is my favorite |
| 00:29.40 | msiism | greenjeans: every tried medit? |
| 00:29.49 | greenjeans | easy peasy: update-alternatives |
| 00:30.10 | greenjeans | msiism: nope |
| 00:30.16 | fsmithred | FatPhil, blame debian |
| 00:30.16 | FatPhil | yeah, but what is "switch the master link <name> to automatic mode." supposed to mean? |
| 00:30.18 | phogg | update-alternatives usage *is* a bit less than optimal, but at least it's not as bad as update-rc.d |
| 00:30.29 | msiism | greenjeans: medit is the better-than-pluma editor on my system. |
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| 00:30.42 | greenjeans | cool, i will try it then |
| 00:30.51 | fsmithred | I used medit for awhile and liked it |
| 00:31.16 | msiism | i use it for all things that have to do with programming |
| 00:31.28 | greenjeans | fsr: new Refracta-tools out yet? |
| 00:31.39 | fsmithred | switched to using geanie because it's a little bit smaller, and I started packing it in live isos |
| 00:31.42 | fsmithred | not yet |
| 00:31.57 | greenjeans | boo |
| 00:32.00 | EHeM | I generally have $EDITOR set and rarely allow things to go for defaults so I pretty well ignore the editor alternatives. |
| 00:32.01 | greenjeans | lol |
| 00:32.03 | FatPhil | most of my editing is coding, so for "heavy" editor, I like syntax highlighting, and smart indenting (configurable to different coding styles). |
| 00:32.05 | fsmithred | been working on cli installer for the last couple days |
| 00:32.13 | fsmithred | probably ran it 100 times |
| 00:32.47 | fsmithred | somebody in this channel complained that it did not make up for deficient grub that does not tell you why it fails when you use gtp with bios boot |
| 00:32.55 | greenjeans | geany is okay, may switch to it soon as pluma is going all gtk3 |
| 00:33.18 | msiism | medit is also gtk2 |
| 00:33.42 | fsmithred | medit has a much better icon than geanie |
| 00:33.47 | greenjeans | why does gtk3 theming have to be such a major production? did somebody actually think it was progress? |
| 00:34.23 | EHeM | I've read claims the folks behind GTK3 have been actively breaking themes. |
| 00:34.32 | chillfan | imo.. gtk any version is plain ugly for the most parrt |
| 00:34.38 | greenjeans | okay i gotta run, Mrs. greenjeans says it's time to go HOME! |
| 00:34.45 | greenjeans | night all |
| 00:34.45 | fsmithred | bye |
| 00:34.59 | fsmithred | brb |
| 00:37.13 | FatPhil | oooh, I've just thought of something I can stick in my .profile in my shared home directory, and it will work on any of my hosts: export EDITOR=`which zile || which jed || which vim || which vi` |
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| 00:39.05 | aaro | you missed which nano in the first spot ;) |
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| 01:13.55 | ansabhailte | parazyd: you here? |
| 01:14.10 | ansabhailte | I submitted changes to debian-installer per the earlier conversation |
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| 01:19.45 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:53.36 | specing | How does one solve "apt-get failed (100)" given by tasksel? |
| 01:54.03 | specing | and/or how to install xfce? I'm on ascii |
| 01:58.56 | chillfan | Do you want a full xfce install? |
| 02:00.03 | chillfan | please pastebin the full error, that will give a better idea what that means |
| 02:01.18 | specing | That is the full error |
| 02:01.29 | chillfan | is that it hm odd lol |
| 02:01.47 | chillfan | anyway you can get a full xfce install by installing xfce4 slim and desktop-base |
| 02:01.50 | specing | I've tried apt-getting xfce4 and that downloaded about 140MB and unpacked 600, but I don't know how to start it |
| 02:02.01 | specing | ah, those were missing |
| 02:02.10 | chillfan | as a regular user you can use the startxfce4 script |
| 02:02.27 | chillfan | desktop-base is artwork just so you know |
| 02:02.28 | specing | only slim apparently |
| 02:03.17 | specing | fatal server error ;p |
| 02:03.29 | specing | cannot open tty0 on startxfce4 |
| 02:03.42 | specing | could be missing groups |
| 02:03.45 | chillfan | you may need xserver-xorg-legacy package |
| 02:04.02 | chillfan | in order to start the xserver that way |
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| 02:05.28 | specing | starting slim service works and gets me into xfce |
| 02:05.58 | chillfan | yeah, that's good too |
| 02:06.16 | specing | Anyway thank you, I was hoping xfce4 would make qemu vnc clipboard sharing work, but apparently not |
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| 02:07.51 | Hurgotron | Hi guys, I'm just a *little* bit confused.... I'm looking for the file amd64-microcode_3.20160316.3_amd64.deb, where do I find it? (can't find the binaries at all in the repoitory tree...) |
| 02:08.35 | chillfan | You should grab the latest version from AMD and drop the relevant file for your cpu into /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:09.55 | chillfan | but if you have the non-free repos enabled you can try apt-get install amd64-microcode |
| 02:10.23 | Hurgotron | probably. But I would like to access the .deb via wget and was unable to find it somehow. |
| 02:10.37 | fsmithred | that version is in ascii and ceres |
| 02:10.55 | Hurgotron | fsmithred: Probably. But where? |
| 02:10.57 | chillfan | You can grab it from packages.debian.org |
| 02:11.01 | fsmithred | apt-get -t ascii download amd64-microcode |
| 02:11.10 | Hurgotron | Just give me an URL and I'm happy. |
| 02:11.13 | chillfan | or that yeah heh |
| 02:13.12 | Hurgotron | Guys, I like to know how stuff works. "pool" (where I usually find the packages with Debian) is empty in my Devuan repoitory. Still things seem to work. I prefer not to have to go after apt-get with a debugger or a proxy. |
| 02:13.43 | Hurgotron | So lease just give me an URL for *some* .dev in the *Devuan* repo and I'm happy. |
| 02:13.51 | Hurgotron | .deb |
| 02:14.26 | fsmithred | packages.debian.org - there's a nice web interface for finding the file |
| 02:14.31 | fsmithred | you can then use wget |
| 02:14.46 | Hurgotron | I'm using a Devuan repo though. |
| 02:14.59 | fsmithred | yes, you should only use devuan in sources. list |
| 02:15.10 | Hurgotron | Yes. I know. |
| 02:15.13 | fsmithred | but most of the packages come from debian, through a filter |
| 02:15.27 | fsmithred | amprolla handles all that for you |
| 02:16.10 | Hurgotron | so if I do apt-get install mmv it comes from an Debian repo even though I don't have that in my list? |
| 02:16.15 | Hurgotron | Hard to believe. |
| 02:16.19 | fsmithred | yes |
| 02:17.15 | fsmithred | I think the source code for amprolla3 is on git.devuan.org if you're interested |
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| 02:18.32 | fsmithred | do apt-cache policy <package> or other way to look at the version, and the packages that devuan has changed have +devuan in the version number |
| 02:18.48 | fsmithred | it's a small percentage of the packages |
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| 02:48.33 | golinux | Is there a spectre/meltdown patch for jessie? |
| 02:48.59 | golinux | I 've been too preoccupied to pay much attention. |
| 02:50.28 | golinux | I didn't see anything when I upgraded this aft. |
| 02:52.33 | g4570n | only stretch for now https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078 |
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| 09:10.00 | debdog | fsmithred: I cannot find the file uefi_install.readme anywhere, can you please send me a copy? |
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| 10:04.48 | smakelig2 | Hello |
| 10:12.21 | smakelig2 | im having truble booting up my snapshot.iso ... im getting lots and lots of "cat: can't open 'sys/block/*/removable' : No such file or directory" then im stuck in some BusyBox shell which says /bin/sh: can't acces tty: job control turned of (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system modprobe: module ehci-orion not in modules.deb ...i have no idea how to fix this |
| 10:14.17 | parazyd | what is snapshot.iso? |
| 10:14.35 | smakelig2 | the output from refractasnapshot |
| 10:22.22 | debdog | hmm, I think I've had a similar problem with refracta in a VM. rebuilding the initramfs solved it. though I have no clue atm how to do that with a .iso file |
| 10:25.23 | smakelig2 | i could rebulild and simply make a new snapshot |
| 10:25.30 | fsmithred | yes, that would be the way |
| 10:25.40 | smakelig2 | so how to rebuild initramfs?? |
| 10:25.44 | fsmithred | just woke up, so I don't have any great ideas right now |
| 10:25.50 | fsmithred | update-initramfs -u |
| 10:25.55 | smakelig2 | ty |
| 10:26.22 | fsmithred | next time run it in debug mode |
| 10:26.45 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot -d (or refractasnapshot-gui -d)_ |
| 10:27.08 | fsmithred | that will make a more verbose log |
| 10:27.22 | fsmithred | then paste it somewhere and I'll take a look at it |
| 10:27.46 | fsmithred | debdog, I need to re-write that readme |
| 10:29.00 | fsmithred | and don't go looking up ehci-orion - it always says that when it fails, |
| 10:29.13 | debdog | oh, i remember now, in my case it was a tad more complicated. I was creating a pen drive with a devuan system on it for rescue stuff (since even grml moved to systemd). did that on a laptop without HDD, so only USB devices involved. |
| 10:29.21 | debdog | fsmithred: ok |
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| 11:35.17 | fsmithred | wb smakelig, I was just thinking about you |
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| 12:48.45 | devuanman | 16h |
| 12:48.45 | devuanman | #Meltdown #meltdownattack using Devuan with kernel 4.9.0-5-amd64 the Meltdown attack (CVE-2017-5754) has been FIXED |
| 12:49.21 | devuanman | ty |
| 12:51.12 | devuanman | https://semiaccurate.com/2018/01/04/kaiser-security-holes-will-devastate-intels-marketshare/ maybe of interest |
| 13:00.09 | specing | why would they devestate intel's market share when others are vulnerable as well? |
| 13:05.56 | koollman | specing: intel is more vulnerable than others. one attack is intel-specific |
| 13:06.41 | detha | also, so far it appears the needed mitigations slow things down for ~30% on intel, but only a few % on AMD/ARM |
| 13:07.29 | specing | I love it |
| 13:14.39 | detha | debian doesn't seem to have fixed things for 8 yet |
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| 14:54.04 | msiism | is anyone using a gtk3-based text editor? |
| 14:56.12 | msiism | i think i've found a bug in gtksourceview and wanted to find out if it is limited to gtk2 or not. |
| 14:56.41 | blinkdog | msiism: do you have a procedure to reproduce the bug? |
| 14:56.50 | msiism | blinkdog: yes |
| 14:57.12 | msiism | i have some code that is wrongly highlighted |
| 14:57.45 | msiism | the code itself is correct (to the best of my knowledge) |
| 14:58.11 | msiism | also, nano does the highlighting correctly |
| 14:58.26 | blinkdog | send a link; I think I've got Mint in a VM that I can try it on |
| 14:58.33 | msiism | ok, cool |
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| 15:00.36 | msiism | blinkdog: i'm also making screenshots, so you can see what i mean |
| 15:05.11 | msiism | ok, here's the code: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/0ceafbfa |
| 15:05.25 | msiism | it may seem a bit senseless |
| 15:05.47 | msiism | that is because i extracted it from the sctual script that displayed the odd highlighting |
| 15:06.44 | msiism | an here comes the screenshot: https://transfer.sh/KuSGP/gtksourceview_bash.png |
| 15:08.48 | blinkdog | yes, I get the same broken rendering in xed |
| 15:10.27 | msiism | ok, thanks |
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| 15:11.26 | msiism | and do you have pluma on your vm? |
| 15:12.26 | msiism | well, maybe that's not necessary. if xed is using gtksourceview and has the error, it's obviously a bug. |
| 15:12.35 | blinkdog | this is a cinnamon VM, I think pluma is on the MATE version |
| 15:13.02 | msiism | ah, ok, i was thinking Mint alsways had mate... |
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| 15:18.53 | msiism | thanks for testing |
| 15:20.16 | chillfan | Which network managers do we have now in Ascii.. setnet, netman? |
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| 15:28.23 | fsmithred | I think netman still needs to be packaged |
| 15:28.35 | fsmithred | sorry, it's called simple-netaid now |
| 15:28.48 | chillfan | yeah I thought it might have changed name |
| 15:29.16 | debdog | wicd not there anymore? |
| 15:29.35 | chillfan | wicd is, but it's also in debian |
| 15:30.40 | debdog | kk |
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| 15:41.44 | fsmithred | network-manager 1.6.2-3+devuan1.1 in ascii |
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| 16:30.48 | blinkdog | fsmithred did you ever get the refractainstaller translation stuff worked out? |
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| 16:39.42 | fsmithred | blinkdog, not fully |
| 16:40.28 | fsmithred | If I comment out the first line of that section, it sees the missing messages. |
| 16:40.38 | fsmithred | but I don't know if there are any other messages missing |
| 16:41.14 | fsmithred | if I splice the translation for that message into the po file, and build the mo file, it works. |
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| 16:42.15 | fsmithred | I think I'll put together a new iso that has the new installer and can easily boot into German. Then it will be easy to see what didn't work. |
| 16:42.42 | blinkdog | yeah, it sounds functional, but perhaps a pain in the butt to modify in the future |
| 16:42.57 | fsmithred | the future is here |
| 16:43.16 | fsmithred | I spent the last three days working on the installer, so stuff has been moved around and/or changed |
| 16:43.21 | blinkdog | is there any way to rewrite that hostname check so that it plays nicely with xgettext ? |
| 16:43.24 | fsmithred | and a few new lines added |
| 16:43.32 | fsmithred | maybe; I didn't try |
| 16:44.09 | fsmithred | I thought I could get away without it, because the hostname command takes care of that, but the script doesn't use the command - it just edits /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 16:44.32 | fsmithred | and if you make an illegal hostname, you end up with (none) |
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| 16:44.52 | fsmithred | or |
| 16:44.57 | fsmithred | something weird |
| 16:45.26 | fsmithred | I tried one with & in the middle of the hostname and it blended the old hostname with the new one |
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| 16:52.26 | ServiceRobot | hello again people of the underworld! |
| 16:54.23 | ServiceRobot | so I did a bit of digging, and it appears runit has not been fully migrated away from sysvinit on devuan |
| 16:55.13 | ServiceRobot | in /etc/runit/1, it relies on /etc/init.d/rcS and /etc/init.d/rmmologin |
| 16:55.39 | ServiceRobot | as well as /etc/init.d/rc 5 |
| 16:56.35 | ServiceRobot | unless /etc/runit/no-emulate-sysv exists, but I canât find any information on this file |
| 16:57.42 | ServiceRobot | this means the initscripts and sysvinit-utils packages are needed, which is by no means elegant |
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| 17:14.22 | golinux | ServiceRobot: Finally you're returned! |
| 17:15.01 | golinux | I wanted to pass along this link. More digging for you to do. |
| 17:15.01 | ServiceRobot_ | ay |
| 17:15.06 | golinux | http://skarnet.org/lists/ |
| 17:15.32 | ServiceRobot_ | ah, skarnet. I took a look at s6. hardly anything supports it |
| 17:15.44 | golinux | They mention runit |
| 17:15.58 | golinux | don't know in what capacity |
| 17:16.22 | ServiceRobot_ | they mention it in terms of it being simpler than s6, but having no proper âhooksâ |
| 17:16.40 | golinux | Look at the supervision list |
| 17:16.50 | ServiceRobot_ | not that I need any. runit looks like the best option for me |
| 17:17.43 | golinux | That's the last place I can think of for you to perhaps find what you're looking for. |
| 17:17.45 | ServiceRobot_ | the problem is the implementation for runit currently being used. it relies on sysvinit services |
| 17:18.04 | golinux | Yes, I saw that above. |
| 17:18.26 | golinux | OK. That's it from me. |
| 17:18.56 | ServiceRobot_ | If I can figure out how to make it work without it, Iâm wondering how I can suggest some changes for devuan runit? |
| 17:20.22 | golinux | Maybe on the devuan-dev channel? |
| 17:20.53 | ServiceRobot_ | all packages are pulled and from debian, correct? |
| 17:20.55 | golinux | In any case, it won't be happening for ascii. Under consideration for beowulf. |
| 17:21.06 | ServiceRobot_ | just recompiled without systemd? |
| 17:21.28 | golinux | We also have devuan specific packages and altered Debian packages |
| 17:21.41 | ServiceRobot_ | what wonât be happening? init changes? |
| 17:21.57 | golinux | Not in ascii |
| 17:22.16 | ServiceRobot_ | thatâs fine. I can figure something else out until then |
| 17:22.18 | golinux | Perhaps in beowulf |
| 17:24.53 | ServiceRobot_ | well, for beowulf I recommend making it so I can remove sysvinit completely and still retain usability in other init systems |
| 17:25.11 | ServiceRobot_ | as well as porting in more runit services |
| 17:26.06 | golinux | Good idea |
| 17:26.29 | golinux | But that is a bit beyond the scope of this channel |
| 17:26.45 | ServiceRobot_ | devuan-dev? |
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| 17:28.17 | golinux | Yes |
| 17:28.19 | fsmithred | on freenode #devuan-dev |
| 17:28.44 | ServiceRobot_ | alright, see you over there then |
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| 17:30.29 | msiism | have there been kernel updates in devuan, concerning meltdown and spectre? |
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| 17:31.41 | furrywolf | yes, there have. |
| 17:31.56 | golinux | For ascii but not for jessie |
| 17:32.05 | g4570n | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux |
| 17:32.23 | msiism | golinux: ok, that's bad news. |
| 17:32.40 | blinkdog | msiism: See this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=7016#p7016 |
| 17:33.28 | g4570n | because jessie has a newer version of the kernel than jessie-security? |
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| 17:35.49 | msiism | https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078 says: "For the oldstable distribution (jessie), this problem will be fixed in a separate update." |
| 17:38.16 | msiism | that doesn't seem to be ready yet |
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| 17:40.50 | g4570n | as the last option is the kernel 4.9 with the patches in backports for jessie |
| 17:41.34 | msiism | g4570n: ok |
| 17:41.45 | msiism | do backports work properly in jessie by now? |
| 17:45.36 | g4570n | msiism: was I giving problems? |
| 17:46.30 | msiism | g4570n: last time i tried, activationg backports would try to pull everything that was newer from that repo instead of just the package you selected. |
| 17:46.39 | msiism | but that was a while ago |
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| 17:54.17 | g4570n | msiism: apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 -t jessie-backports >> http://termbin.com/yaml |
| 17:56.28 | msiism | g4570n: that looks sane |
| 17:56.54 | golinux | The 4.9 kernel wasn't kind to me when I tried it some time ago. |
| 17:57.55 | g4570n | msiism: I still use auto.mirror.devuan.org repos, I imagine that with the new ones it will work the same |
| 17:58.01 | msiism | but it does have the patches that "fix" the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities, right? |
| 17:58.35 | n4dir | does the vulnerability matter much at a home PC anyway? |
| 17:58.59 | g4570n | msiism: only meltdown is fixed |
| 17:59.00 | msiism | n4dir: i hope not. what do you think? |
| 17:59.28 | msiism | g4570n: ok. |
| 17:59.31 | n4dir | i couldn't figure it out. But the little i understood first of all someone needs access to the PC somehow? |
| 18:00.53 | g4570n | Also if you have an AMD processor you should not worry too much |
| 18:02.27 | OmegaPhil | KatolaZ: I've worked out the problem now, have written it up and replied to the ticket at https://bugs.devuan.org/db/17/172.html |
| 18:02.36 | OmegaPhil | Going to dinner shortly |
| 18:03.35 | msiism | n4dir: i've just read the following in a security advice form an e-mail etc. provider i use: "These vulnerabilities open the potential for a nefarious program to steal passwords, secrets, and personal information from you computer, even if the program is just Javascript loaded from a web site you visit. These vulnerabilities are as serious as they sound, and you should take action to upgrade your software." |
| 18:04.03 | n4dir | k, thanks msiism. |
| 18:05.18 | fsmithred | noscript should help with that |
| 18:05.30 | golinux | Will firejail protect from this bug? |
| 18:05.44 | fsmithred | I doubt it |
| 18:05.48 | golinux | :( |
| 18:06.05 | fsmithred | if I'm not mistaken, this bug can jump from one VM to another on the same host |
| 18:06.28 | fsmithred | which means all your data on the internet is at risk |
| 18:06.33 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, i have noscript and it's blocking everything that i have not explicitly allowed. |
| 18:06.43 | golinux | And on metal? |
| 18:06.56 | n4dir | my password is "user", my secrets are non-existing and shit knows what personal info might be ... :-) |
| 18:07.03 | n4dir | lucky me. |
| 18:07.10 | fsmithred | you're safe |
| 18:08.22 | msiism | also, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-01/ |
| 18:08.39 | g4570n | https://thehackernews.com/2018/01/meltdown-spectre-patches.html |
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| 18:15.46 | msiism | as it seems, fiefrox-esr is definitely vulnerable. |
| 18:16.01 | g4570n | in jessie what kernel do you currently have? 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 or 3.16.51-2? |
| 18:16.52 | msiism | 3.16.51-3 |
| 18:20.39 | msiism | damn my partition scheme... i have 13M left on /boot |
| 18:22.14 | g4570n | i have 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 from jessie-security , jessie-update have a newer version ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 19:05.19 | DeFender1031 | does the kernel update include the conditional to not slow down AMD processors with the meltdown fix? (For reference what I'm talking about: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/179 ) |
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| 19:59.12 | stealth_ | hello? |
| 20:00.39 | stealth_ | I am looking which software can I watch TV from when using Hauppauge 950Q USB TV stick |
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| 20:05.51 | Xenguy | wonders what's going on with Meltdown/Spectre updates in Jessie? |
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| 21:38.07 | greenjeans | Anybody with a sony, asus, or toshiba laptop have any experience with the package "acpi-support" and possibly having used it to solve PM issues and such? |
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| 21:56.12 | chillfan | Xenguy: I think they're fixed but I can't be sure on what branches have it yet |
| 21:58.08 | chillfan | see here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux |
| 21:59.14 | chillfan | vulerable to meltdown in jessie, fixed in stretch/ascii and sid/ceres |
| 21:59.32 | chillfan | spectre is fixed nowhere |
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| 22:00.30 | chillfan | speaking of I should reboot as I just updated my kernel |
| 22:00.31 | chillfan | brb |
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