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| 00:12.42 | Criggie | Pixelz: you're kidding I know, but it sounds totally legitimate. |
| 00:14.22 | Pixelz | you never know |
| 00:14.29 | Criggie | ...and there's a keystroke monitor called systemd-keyboardd-alpha which watches for A-Z keypresses and types them for you. You also need to run systemd-keyboardd-numeral and systemd-keyboardd-modifiers and systemd-keyboardd-other to get the full range of key monitoring. |
| 00:14.57 | Criggie | systemd-moused-leftright has a compantion of systemd-moused-updown to get the full gamut of motion |
| 00:15.02 | Criggie | :-P |
| 00:15.33 | Pixelz | other things that were solved elegantly in simple ways 40 years ago have suddenly been turned into bloated daemons that tightly integrate with pid 0 |
| 00:15.50 | Criggie | Pixelz: and that's why we're here |
| 00:15.55 | Pixelz | indeed |
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| 01:20.05 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 07:20.11 | quad | Anyone heard word of an opensmtpd package for Devuan? |
| 07:20.45 | quad | My mail server died so I was gonna set it up on Devuan this time instead. Turns out there isn't an opensmtpd package. At least not in the default repos I have after installing |
| 07:25.27 | quad | So unless there's some extras repo I haven't heard of, I guess I'm using postfix for now |
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| 07:32.17 | Humpelst1lzchen | quad: apt-cache show opensmtpd yields success here |
| 07:33.31 | quad | Humpelst1lzchen, I'm unable to find it https://file.quad.moe/ConEmu64_2018-01-16_08-33-20.png |
| 07:34.20 | quad | And apt-cache show opensmtpd gives me a "Unable to locate package opensmtpd" |
| 07:34.49 | Humpelst1lzchen | I'm on ascii |
| 07:35.35 | Humpelst1lzchen | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=opensmtpd it was not in debian-jessie, so it is not in devuan-jessie. But you could try the backports one |
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| 07:36.55 | quad | Ah |
| 07:37.35 | quad | Humpelst1lzchen, How stable is Ascii? Would you trust it to run a mail server. Just a personal one with like 5 accounts |
| 07:38.10 | quad | I'll just switch to ascii if it's there. I've just never used any Debian/Devuan except the stable before so I dunno how large the difference is |
| 07:38.39 | nepugia | Was stable enough for my desktop the last time i tried it (unless you need reliable backlight control on your mail server :3) |
| 07:38.42 | Humpelst1lzchen | quad: I guess its about as stable as Debian stretch |
| 07:39.21 | quad | Meh, F it. I'll try. I have daily backups of my mail anyways, what's the worst that could happen |
| 07:39.59 | Humpelst1lzchen | quad: you could miss a security update and someone take over |
| 07:40.42 | nepugia | >what's the worst that could happen |
| 07:40.43 | nepugia | someone updates the server to debian stretch? |
| 07:40.50 | Humpelst1lzchen | lol |
| 07:41.05 | quad | >inb4 joke about unicode support in devuan ascii |
| 07:41.37 | Humpelst1lzchen | Btw one can still run stretch without systemd on servers |
| 07:41.50 | nepugia | I tried to import offensive fortunes from debian to FreeBSD, seemed like the encoding really did differ though :/ |
| 07:42.07 | quad | Humpelst1lzchen, I've heard it can be pretty sketchy though |
| 07:42.14 | quad | Besides I just wanna support Devuan |
| 07:42.50 | Humpelst1lzchen | quad: no problems yet |
| 07:44.23 | quad | meh I've already installed Devuan. I'll just try to use ascii and see what happens. This mail server isn't the worst thing that could die |
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| 09:10.54 | KatolaZ | quad: opensmptd is in jessie-backports as well as in ascii |
| 09:11.25 | quad | Yeah but I just went full ascii |
| 09:11.31 | quad | I got it working too now... kinda |
| 09:11.40 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 09:11.59 | quad | for some dumb reason it's only accepting SSLv3 and I can't figure out how to enable TLS 1.1/1.2 and disable SSLv3 |
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| 10:03.54 | l41f3n | Hello, could you confirm me meltdown is patched for devuan jessie ? |
| 10:05.53 | Wonka | There's the spectre-meltdown-checker tool now, you can check yourself if your currently running kernel has the mitigations |
| 10:06.04 | Wonka | (can't say, always build my own kernels) |
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| 10:09.22 | KatolaZ | l41f3n: there is an update in jessie-security |
| 10:11.00 | l41f3n | I have jessie-security but |
| 10:11.02 | l41f3n | ii linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.51-3 amd64 Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs |
| 10:11.10 | KatolaZ | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 |
| 10:11.39 | KatolaZ | it should be 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 |
| 10:12.23 | l41f3n | ah yes |
| 10:12.25 | l41f3n | my bad |
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| 15:30.01 | r4nd0m42 | hi, what's the best way on devuan for installing gcc 5 beside gcc 4.9.2? |
| 15:30.44 | jaromil | dudes, I switched to enlightenment on Devuan and... gorgeous. great performance, easy working, no systemd needed. I am very pleased by the usability... |
| 15:31.47 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
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| 15:37.38 | nemo | jaromil: have they completely dropped X11 support now? |
| 15:37.42 | jaromil | nope |
| 15:39.01 | jaromil | they support pretty much everything and git HEAD can be compiled using: meson . configure -Dsystemd=false |
| 15:39.25 | nemo | " |
| 15:39.25 | nemo | The project is currently transitioning from X11 to Wayland. " |
| 15:39.38 | jaromil | I recommend e17 from packages or the very latest from git (e22 freeze barfs on my screen) |
| 15:39.54 | jaromil | the support is not dropped and sincerely I don't see why it should |
| 15:40.07 | jaromil | there is also wayland, FB and SDL support, sure |
| 15:40.38 | gnarface | nemo: e17 is no longer under active development by upstream. you're safe from wayland with it. |
| 15:40.50 | chillfan | That comment seems to suggest X11 may eventually be dropped, but I don't see that happening unless wayland replaces X11 completely |
| 15:41.11 | gnarface | there's a lot of wishful thinking but as far as i can tell only from people who develop window managers |
| 15:41.38 | nemo | gnarface: I just use XSDL and ssh -Y a lot is all. |
| 15:41.47 | chillfan | I'm not yet sure if wayland is a good idea or not |
| 15:41.56 | gnarface | it's a great idea - for a cellphone. |
| 15:42.02 | gnarface | for a desktop? pointeless. |
| 15:42.07 | gnarface | *pointless |
| 15:42.17 | nemo | gnarface: so far the wayland strategy seeems to be "copy bitmaps over remotely" which makes it somewhat worse than VNC |
| 15:42.23 | chillfan | The last time I read about it, and why they think it's necessary.. I felt a fork of the X11 spec would solve the problems they mention |
| 15:42.41 | nemo | gnarface: or the nightmare that is running a java swing motif gui over ssh -YC |
| 15:42.50 | chillfan | Or in other words, boot out the bloat with a revision of the X11 specification |
| 15:42.58 | nemo | gnarface: (I have to do that for sql developer far too often) |
| 15:43.53 | chillfan | The only other thing I see wrong with it is isolation like the cubes developer mentioned |
| 15:46.44 | fsmithred | l41f3n, install linux-image-3.16.0-5-amd64 |
| 15:47.05 | fsmithred | oops |
| 15:47.15 | l41f3n | fsmithred: yes :) |
| 15:47.17 | l41f3n | ty |
| 15:47.28 | l41f3n | it's done |
| 15:47.44 | fsmithred | yeah, I didn't realize I was scrolled up to whenever that was |
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| 15:48.21 | nemo | hm. I wonder how well wayland performs with neatx |
| 15:49.50 | nemo | (neatx/freenx/nomachine whatever) |
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| 16:11.15 | XRevan86 | Hi, I just want to say that there's a mistake in the eudev package: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/eudev/blob/suites/ascii/debian/eudev.init#L3 |
| 16:14.13 | fsmithred | what mistake? |
| 16:14.25 | XRevan86 | fsmithred: eudev provides eudev instead of udev |
| 16:15.39 | XRevan86 | I think that can cause a race condition with mountdevsubfs.sh which has "Should-Start: udev" |
| 16:15.41 | fsmithred | that's the same "provides" as in the packaging? |
| 16:16.06 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: I guess there was a problem with this |
| 16:16.18 | KatolaZ | I remember we had this discussion several weeks ago |
| 16:17.49 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: I just did a reboot of a VPS so that's why I only noticed :) |
| 16:17.59 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: :) |
| 16:18.09 | XRevan86 | * only noticed that now |
| 16:18.18 | XRevan86 | fsmithred: Not sure what you mean. |
| 16:18.19 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: could you please report it on bugs.devuan.org? |
| 16:18.24 | KatolaZ | that would be much appreciated |
| 16:18.40 | fsmithred | XRevan86, no worries, neither am I. |
| 16:18.52 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 16:20.23 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: I don't really wanna flash anywhere just to notify for a one-letter-removal fix %). |
| 16:20.49 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: you don't have to flash anywhere |
| 16:20.50 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:20.58 | KatolaZ | just to send an email through reportbug :) |
| 16:21.14 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: That would flash my email, no? :) |
| 16:23.09 | XRevan86 | The udev package also has that Provides though, so probably the better thing will be "# Provides: eudev udev" |
| 16:23.30 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:23.33 | XRevan86 | self-providing is weird, but oh well |
| 16:25.05 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: the thing is that there was some issue I don't recall at the moment with ## Provides: udev |
| 16:25.23 | KatolaZ | OK I will post the bug then.... :\ |
| 16:25.34 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: I'm posting %) |
| 16:25.45 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 16:25.49 | KatolaZ | OK, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:26.05 | KatolaZ | much appreciated XRevan86 |
| 16:32.25 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: Sent maintonly@bugs.devuan.org |
| 16:32.55 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: should go to submit@ though... |
| 16:35.17 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: That would get it to the mailing list⦠|
| 16:35.34 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh, not sure about it |
| 16:35.39 | KatolaZ | let's see if it works ;) |
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| 18:40.49 | eldre | hi, i would like to report that i had to symlink /usr/lib/x86_64/linux-gnux/libcrypto.so to /usr/lib/x86_64/linux-gnux/libcrypto.so.1 on a jessie-merge, maybe there is a better place to report/fix that ? |
| 18:43.37 | msiism | eldre: there is. see: https://bugs.devuan.org |
| 18:45.29 | msiism | i think the reportbug program is rather broken atm, though. |
| 18:46.20 | msiism | so, e-mail would be the way to go. |
| 18:47.20 | KatolaZ | msiism: ? |
| 18:47.43 | msiism | KatolaZ: i remember being told to better not use reportbug. |
| 18:47.53 | KatolaZ | by whom? |
| 18:48.06 | msiism | don't remember. but i think it was in here. |
| 18:48.37 | KatolaZ | eldre: what is a jessie-merge? |
| 18:48.42 | msiism | KatolaZ: can you confirm reportbug works (on jessie)? |
| 18:48.57 | KatolaZ | msiism: it works, with caveats |
| 18:49.06 | KatolaZ | meaning that some features are not enabled |
| 18:49.16 | msiism | ok, i see. thanks. |
| 18:49.20 | KatolaZ | e.g., looking for existing bugs on a package from the GUI |
| 18:49.30 | KatolaZ | since we don't have the SOAP service running |
| 18:49.34 | msiism | so, it's not broken |
| 18:49.57 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 18:50.06 | msiism | good. |
| 18:50.12 | KatolaZ | people are using it to report bugs too! |
| 18:50.13 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:50.33 | KatolaZ | I still need to fix a few things though |
| 18:50.42 | KatolaZ | and I will do probably in the next few days |
| 18:50.52 | msiism | i'll try it when i should find another bug. |
| 18:51.31 | KatolaZ | ok msiism, thanks |
| 18:51.36 | KatolaZ | please report any bug ;) |
| 18:51.41 | KatolaZ | (on reportbug) |
| 18:56.01 | eldre | re, ok :) i would wait or find your email msiism |
| 18:56.34 | eldre | KatolaZ: the equivalent to jessie, too lazy i made a join on the apt/sources.list ;) |
| 18:58.15 | eldre | jumping through different distro systems around time, the sources.list or whatever is what i always remember |
| 18:59.17 | eldre | /your email/the devuan email/ of course.. hum |
| 19:13.33 | KatolaZ | eldre: it is not recommended to mix repos |
| 19:14.09 | KatolaZ | actually,the missing link in your case could be due to ocnflicting confs from different versions of a package... |
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| 19:17.37 | eldre | KatolaZ: i didn't |
| 19:18.43 | eldre | Although, my sources.list is deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main, BUT i used a git-crypt package that was done for debian jessie |
| 19:19.29 | eldre | so, in the idea, i could rebuild git-crypt specifically for devuan, should i ? |
| 19:19.54 | eldre | (as git-crypt wasn't packaged at all) |
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| 20:00.36 | eldre | i accept that in stricto-sensus, this is mixing repos, but the question is still open on my side |
| 20:06.01 | KatolaZ | eldre: I don't think a single package qualifies, strictu-sensu, as mixing-repos |
| 20:06.14 | KatolaZ | so your question is still open |
| 20:10.02 | KatolaZ | eldre: you surely could package git-crypt for DEvuan |
| 20:24.41 | gnarface | did someone build devuan ascii for orange pi yet? |
| 20:30.14 | obeardly | KatolaZ: They sent me the wrong hardware. It will be Thursday or Friday before I can get that mirror up. |
| 20:30.29 | KatolaZ | obeardly: nw mate! |
| 20:30.33 | KatolaZ | and thanks again |
| 20:30.34 | KatolaZ | ;) |
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| 20:30.50 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: Do you know if there are any plans to put an initscript in the ascii's ifupdown2? |
| 20:32.23 | eldre | KatolaZ: alright :) i'll get deeper for other packages/software like that :) and then.., thx :) |
| 20:33.46 | KatolaZ | eldre: since that is a new package (i.e., it does not exist in Debian), you might need help at some point |
| 20:33.49 | KatolaZ | just shout |
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| 20:55.12 | obeardly | Can someone tell me why there is not xorg.conf on my Devuan system? Am I just old? Is this now deprecated? |
| 20:57.31 | gnarface | obeardly: not deprecated, but a while back Xorg upstream decided auto-detect should be working well enough that nobody needs one anymore. i've found this assumption to be utterly incompetent, personally, but if you only have 1 display and it's pretty generic, you probably don't need it. |
| 20:57.55 | obeardly | gnarface: Thank you. |
| 20:58.15 | gnarface | no problem. |
| 20:58.16 | obeardly | I just spent a couple days loading Devuan onto my brand new Dell XPS 15 9560 |
| 20:58.21 | obeardly | It was a bear |
| 20:58.25 | obeardly | but it's working now |
| 20:58.27 | gnarface | oh, congrats |
| 20:58.35 | gnarface | using jessie with the backport kernel? |
| 20:58.38 | gnarface | or ascii? |
| 20:58.49 | obeardly | I'm using the 4.14 kernel from the ubuntu repo. |
| 20:59.11 | obeardly | It's the only way I could get my wireless to work. |
| 20:59.14 | gnarface | heh, well, you shouldn't mix distros |
| 20:59.22 | obeardly | It's just the kernel. |
| 20:59.38 | obeardly | the atheros firmware package would not drive my wireless card |
| 20:59.47 | obeardly | I didn't install it via repo. |
| 20:59.55 | gnarface | the problem comes from the package really, not the kernel. the dependency tree can be corrupted |
| 21:00.12 | obeardly | Possibly, if it gives me probs, I'll roll one by hand. |
| 21:01.42 | obeardly | We need to seriously get a packages.devuan.org for downloads |
| 21:03.27 | gnarface | it is present, and currently live |
| 21:03.35 | gnarface | the interface is a little rough... |
| 21:03.43 | obeardly | I couldn't find any packages there. |
| 21:03.49 | gnarface | oh, they're in there |
| 21:04.19 | gnarface | it's not pretty though |
| 21:04.25 | obeardly | The only thing I can find was the packages.gz files |
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| 21:05.55 | gnarface | did you download one and unzip it? |
| 21:06.04 | gnarface | the paths to the actual packages are in there |
| 21:06.16 | obeardly | Cool, thanks. |
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| 21:06.32 | gnarface | when i mean the interface is rough, i mean it's nonexistent. it's just the repo directory tree. |
| 21:06.44 | gnarface | you gotta parse the packages file manually :) |
| 21:06.55 | obeardly | Joy :-) |
| 21:07.20 | gnarface | yea, it needs work, but there are more pressing matters i think. |
| 21:10.52 | obeardly | Thanks for the heads up. And yes, you're right, more pressing matters. |
| 21:11.23 | obeardly | Nonetheless, I just finished installing Devuan on this laptop, and I can't get it to recognize my external monitor over HDMI |
| 21:11.45 | obeardly | When I went looking for the xorg.conf, it was gone. |
| 21:11.54 | gnarface | yea, that's a bummer |
| 21:12.27 | gnarface | most people just use xrandr or their window manager's native display management functionality instead |
| 21:12.47 | gnarface | you should at least be able to get it to turn on with either |
| 21:12.54 | gnarface | they usually are not on by default |
| 21:13.24 | gnarface | well, some laptops (not sure about yours) may engage them by default if the lid is closed at POST and there is an external keyboard plugged in |
| 21:13.46 | gnarface | on this machine, i use e17 which just has built-in display controls |
| 21:14.04 | XRevan86 | has a DVI-HDMI adapter which breaks HDMI monitor autodetection. |
| 21:14.21 | gnarface | on my streaming box running blackbox (which does not have such controls) i wrote a custom xorg.conf and some supplimentary ~/.xinitrc scripts for different users to call xrandr with alterations |
| 21:14.22 | obeardly | xrandr for some reason isn't working. |
| 21:14.30 | obeardly | I'll have to look into. |
| 21:14.46 | obeardly | Gotta bounce for now. Be back on later. |
| 21:14.47 | gnarface | xrandr needs xorg running |
| 21:14.47 | XRevan86 | so my solution is a stupid daemon that does XRRFreeScreenResources(XRRGetScreenResources(dpy, XDefaultRootWindow(display))) |
| 21:14.55 | XRevan86 | over and over again |
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| 21:15.56 | gnarface | obeardly: when you're back, make sure xorg is running when you test xrandr. you need to either actually run it from inside xorg, or else specify the DISPLAY environment variable where xorg is running. |
| 21:16.43 | gnarface | XRevan86: that may be a good use case for a custom xorg.conf |
| 21:17.41 | XRevan86 | gnarface: Thing is that I plug and unplug it regularily. |
| 21:18.06 | gnarface | shouldn't matter |
| 21:18.22 | XRevan86 | if it was only in one state (plugged), then forcing xrandr to recheck wouldn't've been needed |
| 21:18.37 | gnarface | xorg.conf assigns monitor profiles by the video card port they're connected to |
| 21:18.40 | golinux | obeardly: I use xrandr without an xorg.conf |
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| 21:19.11 | golinux | But I don't have a video card. Just onboard video. |
| 21:19.54 | XRevan86 | golinux: onboard or onprocessor? ;) |
| 21:19.59 | gnarface | i'm assuming he just thought it would work outside of xorg. i've made that mistake too. |
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| 21:20.24 | XRevan86 | If one is picking on terminology, that's my pick |
| 21:20.30 | golinux | obeardly: Not sure. it just works |
| 21:21.31 | golinux | It's on a gigabyte board maybe 5 years old. |
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| 22:07.06 | obeardly | gnarface: I didn't realize that xorg didn't run by default any longer. I have X running, and xserverrc, but no xorg. |
| 22:07.14 | obeardly | I guess I'm just getting old. |
| 22:07.28 | KatolaZ | we all are, obeardly |
| 22:07.55 | obeardly | Damned modern operating systems trying to make things easy on us, but to me, it just makes it more frustrating. |
| 22:09.09 | gnarface | obeardly: it's still the same software, it's just behind a chain of wrapper scripts now |
| 22:09.28 | obeardly | How is the same if xorg doesn't run? |
| 22:09.43 | gnarface | it's X |
| 22:09.49 | gnarface | that's just a symlink to a wrapper script |
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| 22:10.19 | obeardly | I didn't even have xorg installed, but I had a gui. To me, that's like magic. :-) |
| 22:10.27 | gnarface | oh |
| 22:10.28 | gnarface | uh |
| 22:10.34 | gnarface | you sure you didn't have it installed? |
| 22:10.44 | obeardly | I'm sure, there wasn't a single xorg package installed. |
| 22:10.56 | obeardly | at least, not that dpkg could find. |
| 22:11.06 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep xorg |
| 22:11.07 | gnarface | ? |
| 22:11.20 | obeardly | Yep, came back bingo, but I've got it installed now. I'm going to reboot. |
| 22:11.28 | obeardly | BBL. |
| 22:12.30 | XRevan86 | Another package that is missing the initscript is nftables, the iptables replacement. |
| 22:13.31 | KatolaZ | XRevan86: neither iptables has an initscript |
| 22:13.46 | KatolaZ | never had in Debian |
| 22:14.16 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: It doesn't need one, there's iptables-persistent |
| 22:14.29 | XRevan86 | which does have an initscript |
| 22:15.27 | KatolaZ | is there nftables-persistent? |
| 22:15.34 | XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/nftables/filelist |
| 22:15.41 | XRevan86 | KatolaZ: /lib/systemd/system/nftables.service |
| 22:15.54 | XRevan86 | > ExecStart=/usr/sbin/nft -f /etc/nftables.conf |
| 22:17.12 | XRevan86 | So /etc/nftables.conf inside the nftables package functions as nftables-persistent, but only with systemd. |
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| 22:21.07 | fenix-mind | hi, i have a question could suspend or hibernate devuan on laptop? |
| 22:21.19 | fenix-mind | in mate |
| 22:21.36 | XRevan86 | fenix-mind: Sure, MATE supports pm-utils. |
| 22:22.10 | fenix-mind | XRevan86, many thanks. |
| 22:22.43 | XRevan86 | https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-session-manager/commit/9923739 |
| 22:23.21 | XRevan86 | fenix-mind: Though⦠maybe not %) |
| 22:23.29 | XRevan86 | I forgot about that commit |
| 22:24.02 | XRevan86 | ConsoleKit2 doesn't seem to be in Devuan |
| 22:24.18 | XRevan86 | fenix-mind: You can try it with elogind. |
| 22:25.21 | fenix-mind | XRevan86, thanks...!! |
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