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01:21.10 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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02:40.39 | msiism | from what i can see on packages.debian.org, chromium doesn't have any systemd dependencies. can anyone confirm this or correct me if i'm wrong? |
02:41.42 | blop | i won't install it to find out |
02:43.58 | Criggie | apt install chromium |
02:44.00 | Criggie | try and see |
02:44.06 | msiism | well, i have it installed, and just rememered you can also run "apt-cache depends" |
02:44.16 | Criggie | just ansswer No to the question |
02:44.27 | Criggie | The following additional packages will be installed: |
02:44.28 | Criggie | <PROTECTED> |
02:44.35 | Criggie | so yes, it has dependancies and recommendations |
02:44.49 | Criggie | the recs are chromium-l10n chromium-shell chromium-driver chromium-widevine |
02:46.25 | msiism | ok, so it doesn't have a systemd dependency. |
02:48.04 | msiism | (i mean, why would it? it's a desktop-independent web browser.) |
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03:04.28 | blop | it is the nature of systemd to create dependencies, young padawan. |
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05:25.55 | AlexLikeRock | i dudes |
05:26.03 | AlexLikeRock | how its goinG ¡? |
05:32.26 | blop | ascii is rockin here on the pi3 |
05:41.56 | blop | ... ok the 4.9.x kernel is a dog when copying files, but that's not devuan's fault |
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05:58.00 | gnarface | blop: i think there's some out of tree patch to fix that i just don't know where to get it |
05:58.36 | AlexLikeRock | gnarface, o/ |
05:58.43 | gnarface | yo AlexLikeRock |
05:58.57 | blop | there was a fix for some file-copy in 4.14. possibly that will cure it. |
06:00.11 | gnarface | i think that is the one i'm thinking of |
06:00.27 | gnarface | that's no guarantee it's the right one though |
06:00.50 | gnarface | did you ever get a chance to try xfs? |
06:01.18 | gnarface | i wonder about things like if you simply move the journal over to the USB key, would that eliminate the performance issue too |
06:01.47 | gnarface | but if it's already fixed in 4.14 that might be your best option |
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09:38.30 | blop | i disabled journal gnarface on / and that didn't help. right now extracting some files off a damaged drive on usb and there aren't real lockups but 1-2 second pauses |
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14:02.51 | aslan8649 | okay, after adding and updating 2000+ dpkgs on Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 it is working very good. there is great joy in the land. |
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14:12.34 | blop | and there was much rejoicing (yaay) |
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14:47.28 | ejr | aslan8649: i'm glad jessie is working well for you :) |
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15:04.17 | brabo | aslan8649: o/ |
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18:20.02 | drdoc | Is there a Devuan install mirror with a valid SSL cert? |
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18:20.34 | KatolaZ | drdoc: what are you talking about? |
18:20.39 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
18:20.58 | KatolaZ | (I guess you need a package mirror?) |
18:21.28 | drdoc | yes |
18:21.31 | KatolaZ | ^^^ |
18:21.46 | drdoc | https://us.devuan.org/ |
18:21.48 | drdoc | NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID |
18:22.09 | KatolaZ | drdoc: can you read what I wrote? |
18:22.31 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is just a CNAME for www.devuan.org |
18:22.31 | drdoc | are you just generally this nasty? |
18:22.38 | KatolaZ | and |
18:22.44 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is *not* a mirror |
18:22.50 | KatolaZ | you asked a question |
18:22.54 | KatolaZ | I answered it |
18:23.00 | KatolaZ | you ignore the answer :) |
18:23.10 | KatolaZ | are you just generally this nasty? |
18:24.08 | drdoc | us.mirror.devuan.org gets the same error |
18:24.26 | KatolaZ | drdoc: again... |
18:24.32 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
18:24.40 | KatolaZ | or |
18:24.45 | KatolaZ | https://auto.mirror.devuan.org |
18:24.56 | KatolaZ | these are guaranteed to have valid certs |
18:25.39 | drdoc | thank you. |
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18:25.56 | KatolaZ | yw |
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18:27.19 | drdoc | Most of the distributions, and most of the install maintainers, with which/whom I've worked, would be concerned to know that the most common CNAMEs for the repositories have a bad SSL certificate |
18:27.58 | KatolaZ | drdoc: we don't have a wildcard cert |
18:28.02 | KatolaZ | easy explanation |
18:28.09 | nemo | KatolaZ: Feb 27! ⺠|
18:28.37 | nemo | drdoc: do pkg repositories typically use HTTPS? I thought they relied on key signing the package files |
18:28.58 | drdoc | nemo: they do not |
18:29.19 | KatolaZ | in fact, checking the signatures of the release files is normally enough |
18:29.26 | KatolaZ | and done automatically by apt |
18:29.37 | KatolaZ | you can still do it by hand if you like |
18:30.14 | drdoc | actually, all I wanted was to confirm that the Devuan repositories have contrib and non-free repos |
18:30.15 | KatolaZ | but still some users insist in having support for https package repos |
18:30.18 | nemo | now. I did go to trouble of setting up ftp and https at work due to a very very stupid checkpoint deep packet inspecting BS |
18:30.27 | KatolaZ | drdoc: yes, they do |
18:30.28 | nemo | was only way to not have it block or corrupt apt files |
18:30.41 | nemo | but I was also fine w/ accepting a cert mismatch ⺠|
18:31.22 | drdoc | KatolaZ: re: nastiness, generally the "easy explanation" is the default response to a user reporting a problem |
18:32.07 | KatolaZ | drdoc: you asked for a package mirror with a valid cert |
18:32.08 | drdoc | *I* needed a browser accessible repository, and thank you |
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18:32.25 | KatolaZ | drdoc: all the repos are browser accessible |
18:32.28 | drdoc | I thought *you* might want to know that the SSL cert is throwing exceptions |
18:32.42 | KatolaZ | drdoc: do you think I don't know? |
18:32.44 | KatolaZ | :) |
18:32.52 | KatolaZ | thanks for reporting the problem |
18:32.59 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is not a mirror |
18:33.04 | drdoc | KatolaZ: I figured you did |
18:33.20 | KatolaZ | if you want a mirror, use https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
18:33.28 | KatolaZ | or https://auto.mirror.devuan.org |
18:33.32 | drdoc | I went there after getting the same error from us.mirror.devuan.org |
18:33.56 | KatolaZ | drdoc: I explained you that we don't have wildcard certs on mirror.devuan.org |
18:34.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
18:34.57 | drdoc | you know, man, I would really enjoy being an active member of the Devuan community |
18:35.41 | KatolaZ | drdoc: you are more than welcome |
18:35.42 | KatolaZ | please |
18:36.00 | drdoc | the responses I get from you, KatolaZ, in particular, make it difficult to care |
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18:38.22 | blop | wz pillepalle |
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18:53.07 | msiism1 | i've just tried to upgrade devuan ascii on a laptop after a while. and while some packages were being upgraded, others were held back. i then tried to upgrade all packages that had been held back manually and things broke. |
18:53.26 | KatolaZ | msiism1: please list of packages |
18:53.35 | msiism1 | the problem is with libeudev 3.2.2-10 |
18:53.45 | KatolaZ | msiism1: please see the fix on DNG |
18:53.51 | KatolaZ | I will rebuild eudev later today |
18:53.56 | KatolaZ | with a fix |
18:54.00 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: ok, thanks |
18:54.04 | KatolaZ | it's not broken |
18:54.19 | KatolaZ | just put an emply file names "udev" in /etc/init.d/ |
18:54.29 | KatolaZ | or link it to /etc/init.d/eudev |
18:54.41 | KatolaZ | and things will be back to normal |
18:55.00 | msiism1 | good |
18:56.07 | KatolaZ | yep |
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19:05.40 | msiism1 | well, the error i'm getting is different: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/fca00eb2 |
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19:08.12 | KatolaZ | hold on |
19:08.17 | KatolaZ | you should not have libudev |
19:08.20 | KatolaZ | are you upgrading? |
19:08.27 | KatolaZ | msiism1: apt-cache policy libudev1 |
19:08.28 | msiism1 | i tried to. |
19:08.33 | msiism1 | ok. |
19:09.35 | msiism1 | libudev1 is installed. (do you need the whole output? it would take a minute because it's on another machine) |
19:09.36 | KatolaZ | (please) |
19:09.46 | KatolaZ | whole output pls |
19:09.51 | msiism1 | ok |
19:12.24 | msiism1 | here you go: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/5bfe77ed |
19:12.57 | KatolaZ | oh |
19:13.03 | KatolaZ | you got an old version of udev |
19:13.10 | KatolaZ | possibly from early ascii |
19:13.11 | KatolaZ | so |
19:13.14 | msiism1 | i suppose so |
19:13.23 | KatolaZ | apt-get install udev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 |
19:13.28 | KatolaZ | should solve it |
19:13.32 | msiism1 | ok, i'll try |
19:13.39 | KatolaZ | it was updated to remove the weird epoch number |
19:13.45 | msiism1 | i see |
19:14.00 | KatolaZ | but it was like back in October/November |
19:14.15 | msiism1 | right, i haven't used the machine in a while |
19:14.35 | KatolaZ | actually between 24th and 30th Oct 2017 |
19:14.42 | KatolaZ | ok |
19:14.44 | KatolaZ | makes sense |
19:14.50 | KatolaZ | please try that |
19:14.55 | KatolaZ | also, if you wait 10-15 minutes |
19:15.08 | KatolaZ | you will find the latest eudev version |
19:15.12 | KatolaZ | 3.2.2-11 |
19:15.15 | msiism1 | nice |
19:15.22 | KatolaZ | it's building now |
19:16.00 | msiism1 | installing the newer udev version with the command above doesn't work, however. |
19:16.17 | msiism1 | it says that eudev collides with udev. |
19:16.52 | msiism1 | apt -f install doesn't fix this |
19:18.55 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
19:19.07 | KatolaZ | I need the full output msiism1, sorry |
19:19.25 | msiism1 | ok, let me get that |
19:20.01 | KatolaZ | thanks |
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19:26.11 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ebf6bfd5/ |
19:26.24 | msiism1 | there's a bit of noise in there, sorry (i used the script command) |
19:27.02 | KatolaZ | apt-get install udev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 libudev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 |
19:27.21 | KatolaZ | you must install them together |
19:27.33 | KatolaZ | and they will pull the needed deps (or at least they should) |
19:27.44 | KatolaZ | msiism1: ^^^ |
19:27.58 | msiism1 | ok. |
19:28.18 | KatolaZ | biab |
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19:34.16 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: no success, unfortunately. if it is not too important to find out what the problem is here, i'd go for a re-install. |
19:36.07 | msiism1 | thanks a lot for your trying to help, though. |
19:36.13 | brabo | msiism1: i would guess that is entirely up to you, if you feel that is the way to go, go! ;) |
19:36.18 | brabo | ^^ |
19:36.47 | msiism1 | brabo: i'm fine with doing a reinstall. |
19:36.52 | brabo | and yes, at some point the question becomes: do i keep pouring time in trying to fix it, or do i just start over? |
19:37.00 | msiism1 | i have nothing to lose ;) |
19:37.12 | brabo | sometimes can be worth trying to fix, could be learning opportunity too |
19:37.13 | brabo | ;) |
19:37.50 | msiism1 | i was thinking that maybe this issue points to something that needs fixing. but apparently, it has already been fixed. |
19:38.43 | brabo | msiism1: usually one is not the first person to bump into an issue hehe |
19:38.47 | brabo | so ye, that happens :) |
19:39.23 | Irrwahn | I know I fixed that same issue on my desktop, but it's a while and I can't remember how exactly. It definitely did it with the help of aptitude, though. |
19:39.56 | msiism1 | Irrwahn: ok, i might give that a try before i install anew |
19:40.37 | Irrwahn | msiism1: Yup, can't break it any more, anyway, I guess. :^) |
19:40.59 | Irrwahn | BTW, the new eudev package just hit the repos. |
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19:42.07 | msiism1 | ok, let's see... |
19:44.45 | Irrwahn | New eudev has that bogus /etc/init.d/udev reference fixed, I just upgraded my machine. |
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20:52.47 | brabo | regarding the minimal setup and cryptsetup/initramfs, debian buster netinst does exactly the same, so maybe i should raise the issue at debians end |
20:53.18 | brabo | seems if they'd consider fixing it it would end up being useful to more people |
20:53.55 | brabo | also it has nothing to do with systemd by a long shot, so maybe outside the scope of devuan to go and fix anything regarding this |
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22:04.00 | fugitive | hey ppl. I have troubles install openjdk-8 on jessie. openjdk-8-jre-headless : Breaks: ca-certificates-java , |
22:04.46 | fugitive | ca-certificates-java , depends on openjdk7, so 8 && 7 |
22:04.58 | fugitive | s/ 8 && 7 // |
22:06.15 | fugitive | any solution, or to try installing openjdk-8 from source? ( i am not java guy, need v8 for one pkg) |
22:10.18 | golinux | fugitive: Possible work around - upgrade to ascii? |
22:10.40 | fugitive | naaahm :( |
22:11.14 | fugitive | doing my job from this laptop, can't "risc" |
22:11.26 | KatolaZ | fugitive: |
22:11.50 | KatolaZ | openjdk-8 is available from backports |
22:11.51 | KatolaZ | in jessie |
22:12.27 | fugitive | yes.. :( |
22:12.30 | KatolaZ | so no magic should be needed there |
22:12.52 | KatolaZ | are you using also non-devuan repos? |
22:13.16 | fugitive | nop, all devuan onees |
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22:13.29 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
22:13.45 | KatolaZ | a backport pkg should not brak anything |
22:14.32 | fugitive | <PROTECTED> |
22:14.32 | fugitive | <PROTECTED> |
22:15.45 | fugitive | *-8-jre depends on -> jre-headless, , where openjdk-8-jre-headless breaks ca-certificates-java |
22:15.46 | KatolaZ | fugitive: do you have backports enabled? |
22:15.51 | fugitive | yea |
22:16.20 | fugitive | http://termbin.com/map1 |
22:18.25 | fugitive | to try from source then KatolaZ ? |
22:18.43 | djph | grrr,who broke VLC with ascii :( |
22:19.08 | cozzie | Hi, am I in the right place for help booting devuan using grub loopback (set iso_path="devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso") ? |
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22:22.00 | golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ |
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22:25.45 | fugitive | downloaded binaries, case solved.. |
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22:28.32 | Criggie | I've got a failing SSD in my devuan desktop - everything gets weird when the root disk goes odd. |
22:29.35 | cozzie | ..If I extract the .iso, is there any way I can grub boot the vmlinuz, inited.img and get the filesystem.squashfs to boot? |
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22:30.26 | n4dir | cozzie: you sure can chroot to it. how to do it was once discussed on forums.debian.net |
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22:31.25 | fugitive | Criggie: everyting gets weird even when / get out of space :) |
22:31.26 | n4dir | else there is a tool from grml to boot iso's from grub, it's in the debian repos, but i don't know with which isos it works |
22:32.21 | Criggie | fugitive: want to really screw with someone? ifconfig lo down |
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22:33.35 | KatolaZ | fugitive: apt-cache policy openjdk-8-jre |
22:34.42 | fugitive | KatolaZ: http://termbin.com/prmr |
22:38.57 | golinux | cozzie: Try to catch fsmithred |
22:40.20 | KatolaZ | fugitive: you have backports held |
22:41.01 | KatolaZ | fugitive: apt-get install -t jessie-backports openjdk-8-jre |
22:42.08 | cozzie | n4dir: Thanks, chroot looks like a long when for just wanting to have devuan on my usb. I guess I will just have to nuke it with dd :( |
22:42.08 | fugitive | indeed.. 100% man |
22:42.13 | fugitive | thanks! |
22:42.49 | KatolaZ | fugitive: did it work? |
22:43.00 | fugitive | yea :) |
22:43.05 | KatolaZ | cozzie: wazzup? |
22:43.43 | golinux | <cozzie> Hi, am I in the right place for help booting devuan using grub loopback (set iso_path="devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso") ? |
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22:44.09 | msiism | i just realised today that on devuan, dd'ing an image to a flash device requires superuser privileges. so, you would, for example, only be able to create a bootable devuan usb key, if you have root access to the machine you're working on. i wonder if this is the case for most linux distributions. |
22:44.43 | KatolaZ | msiism: this is bound to users belonging to the plugdev group |
22:45.10 | KatolaZ | so no root privs needed |
22:45.17 | KatolaZ | just to be added to plugdev |
22:45.18 | KatolaZ | :) |
22:45.23 | msiism | KatolaZ: oh, i didn't know. |
22:45.51 | msiism | KatolaZ: so, during installation, normal users are not added to that group then? |
22:46.12 | KatolaZ | not by default I guess |
22:46.13 | KatolaZ | but |
22:46.24 | KatolaZ | install through live or minimal live actually does |
22:46.29 | KatolaZ | (probably, and IIRC) |
22:47.22 | msiism | ok, this is something to keep in mind. |
22:48.48 | KatolaZ | actually, I am not sure it is good to have that enabled by default |
22:49.46 | msiism | so, i will put "Running these commands may, in some cases, require superuser privileges." into the respective section of the manual draft on the fod wiki. |
22:50.29 | msiism | might even cut "in some cases" |
22:50.35 | KatolaZ | yes, drop it |
22:50.36 | KatolaZ | or |
22:50.36 | Irrwahn | looks at the output of "groups" command |
22:50.39 | KatolaZ | put the correct |
22:50.56 | Irrwahn | Sigh. I could as well simply work under root account. -.- |
22:51.06 | KatolaZ | "running these commands will require either root provilege or that the user belongs to the plugdev group" |
22:51.29 | KatolaZ | oh no Irrwahn |
22:51.48 | msiism | KatolaZ: well, the problem here is that the in "getting devuan" section, we cannot assume that the reader is actually already running devuan. |
22:51.50 | Irrwahn | KatolaZ: adm disk lp dialout cdrom sudo audio www-data video plugdev staff users netdev fuse vboxusers powerdev input |
22:52.05 | Irrwahn | *hysterical laughter* |
22:52.14 | KatolaZ | you would have to wear the 20-kg heavy green velvet hat with bells and whistles he all day long.... |
22:52.29 | Irrwahn | :D |
22:52.40 | KatolaZ | msiism: I see your point |
22:52.50 | KatolaZ | but we can't cater for all the possible exceptions |
22:52.58 | msiism | KatolaZ: people might be creating the boot medium on gentoo, freebsd or aix(?)... |
22:53.08 | KatolaZ | if a user does not know how they cannot do something, they will ask |
22:53.15 | msiism | KatolaZ: right, that's why i'd say: "may require root privs" |
22:53.23 | KatolaZ | ok |
22:53.38 | msiism | good |
22:53.49 | KatolaZ | well, in theory anything in a unix system could require root privileges.... |
22:53.50 | KatolaZ | :D |
22:54.28 | Irrwahn | FTFY: anything in a unix system SHOULD require root privileges }:-> |
22:54.36 | msiism | KatolaZ: true. ;) |
22:55.18 | dTal | OpenBSD logic: |
22:55.26 | Irrwahn | msiism: BTW, did the eudev thing work out? |
22:55.27 | dTal | "You can't let non-root users do that! It's insecure!" |
22:55.42 | dTal | "You can't run as root all the time! It's insecure!" |
22:56.01 | msiism | Irrwahn: can't say yet. i installed jessie. |
22:56.21 | Irrwahn | msiism: ah, ok =) |
22:56.40 | msiism | Irrwahn: the reason i took out that laptop was that i wanted to install or build iridium brwoser on devuan. |
22:57.09 | msiism | and so, i thought: well, install jessiefirst, try to build it there, document. then goon to ascii. |
22:57.12 | Irrwahn | that's the chromium spin off, right? |
22:57.28 | Irrwahn | yeah, makes sense |
22:57.33 | msiism | right, but it's not really a spin-off, i'd say. |
22:58.47 | msiism | they absically just take google one-time credo serious and remove all "evil". |
22:59.20 | msiism | except for drm, that is (chillfan wrote about this on d1g) |
22:59.21 | fsmithred | cozzie, I'm back |
22:59.43 | cozzie | fsmithred: hi :) |
22:59.47 | fsmithred | hi |
22:59.58 | fsmithred | one minute and I'll have the boot command |
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23:03.23 | fsmithred | http://termbin.com/njyo |
23:03.42 | fsmithred | cozzie, that's for booting an unpacked iso |
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23:08.08 | fsmithred | sorry, not unpacked |
23:08.14 | fsmithred | un-unpacked |
23:08.31 | cozzie | un-unpacked iso :D |
23:08.58 | KatolaZ | cozzie: what do you mean by "unpacked iso"? |
23:08.58 | fsmithred | adjust the path according to your needs |
23:09.09 | fsmithred | that was my term |
23:09.24 | fsmithred | referring to a .iso file that's still a .iso file |
23:09.38 | fsmithred | instead of one that's been ripped open and its contents put somewhere |
23:09.55 | fsmithred | the latter being "unpacked" |
23:10.11 | KatolaZ | but if it's a devuan iso |
23:10.24 | fsmithred | doesn't matter |
23:10.27 | fsmithred | any live iso |
23:11.10 | fsmithred | or maybe any debian-based live iso. not sure about that. |
23:11.49 | cozzie | I will give it a try now. The only difference I can see is that I wasn't using [findiso="$iso_path" noeject] at then end of my line |
23:12.32 | fsmithred | I've heard that 'findiso' is a more reliable option than 'fromiso' |
23:13.11 | fsmithred | see 'man live-boot' for other things you can do |
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23:16.21 | KatolaZ | I mean if it's a devuan iso, it already has a bootloader.... |
23:16.41 | cozzie_ | fsmithred: Thank you! |
23:17.20 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, he wants to boot the live iso from hard drive instead of from external media |
23:17.46 | KatolaZ | oki |
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