| 00:05.19 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 00:36.45 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo1 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 00:49.54 | *** join/#devuan theLambda (~theLambda@i577BCDFD.versanet.de) |
| 00:50.46 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 00:59.45 | *** join/#devuan stanz (~stanz@162-250-12-202.columbianetworks.net) |
| 01:02.19 | *** join/#devuan earthnat1ve (~nemo@59.167.208.146) |
| 01:13.12 | *** join/#devuan theLambda (~theLambda@i577BCD44.versanet.de) |
| 01:21.10 | *** join/#devuan infobot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 01:21.10 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 01:21.11 | *** mode/#devuan [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 01:48.19 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@ip-198-96-38-155.dynamic.yorku.ca) |
| 01:56.26 | *** join/#devuan hgunth (~hgunth@gateway/tor-sasl/hgunth) |
| 02:38.20 | *** join/#devuan Humpelstilzchen (erik@p4FD03614.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:39.32 | *** join/#devuan msiism (~msiism@200116b845acef00ee086bfffe1ced28.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 02:40.39 | msiism | from what i can see on packages.debian.org, chromium doesn't have any systemd dependencies. can anyone confirm this or correct me if i'm wrong? |
| 02:41.42 | blop | i won't install it to find out |
| 02:43.58 | Criggie | apt install chromium |
| 02:44.00 | Criggie | try and see |
| 02:44.06 | msiism | well, i have it installed, and just rememered you can also run "apt-cache depends" |
| 02:44.16 | Criggie | just ansswer No to the question |
| 02:44.27 | Criggie | The following additional packages will be installed: |
| 02:44.28 | Criggie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.35 | Criggie | so yes, it has dependancies and recommendations |
| 02:44.49 | Criggie | the recs are chromium-l10n chromium-shell chromium-driver chromium-widevine |
| 02:46.25 | msiism | ok, so it doesn't have a systemd dependency. |
| 02:48.04 | msiism | (i mean, why would it? it's a desktop-independent web browser.) |
| 02:51.43 | *** join/#devuan Hoshpak (~Hoshpak@200116b8002ded00004109fffe40d1e1.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 03:02.20 | *** join/#devuan amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp121-45-3-47.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) |
| 03:04.28 | blop | it is the nature of systemd to create dependencies, young padawan. |
| 03:30.42 | *** join/#devuan hgunth (~hgunth@gateway/tor-sasl/hgunth) |
| 03:47.51 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~athidhep@S0106602ad06acd48.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 04:10.23 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~athidhep@184.75.215.8) |
| 04:34.44 | *** join/#devuan hellvis_ (~peter@dslb-088-078-042-250.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 04:43.07 | *** join/#devuan aslan8649 (~niemand@146.185.25.250.adsl.inet-telecom.org) |
| 05:22.58 | *** join/#devuan AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@unaffiliated/alexlikerock) |
| 05:25.55 | AlexLikeRock | i dudes |
| 05:26.03 | AlexLikeRock | how its goinG ¡? |
| 05:32.26 | blop | ascii is rockin here on the pi3 |
| 05:41.56 | blop | ... ok the 4.9.x kernel is a dog when copying files, but that's not devuan's fault |
| 05:45.28 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn_pi_ (~Irrwahn@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:48.56 | *** join/#devuan DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 05:53.57 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 05:58.00 | gnarface | blop: i think there's some out of tree patch to fix that i just don't know where to get it |
| 05:58.36 | AlexLikeRock | gnarface, o/ |
| 05:58.43 | gnarface | yo AlexLikeRock |
| 05:58.57 | blop | there was a fix for some file-copy in 4.14. possibly that will cure it. |
| 06:00.11 | gnarface | i think that is the one i'm thinking of |
| 06:00.27 | gnarface | that's no guarantee it's the right one though |
| 06:00.50 | gnarface | did you ever get a chance to try xfs? |
| 06:01.18 | gnarface | i wonder about things like if you simply move the journal over to the USB key, would that eliminate the performance issue too |
| 06:01.47 | gnarface | but if it's already fixed in 4.14 that might be your best option |
| 06:09.03 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~furrywolf@172.58.43.189) |
| 06:21.31 | *** part/#devuan SuicideJunkie (~nick@99.250.176.105) |
| 06:30.28 | *** join/#devuan Besnik_b (~Besnik@ppp-94-66-221-129.home.otenet.gr) |
| 06:33.40 | *** join/#devuan bill-auger (~quassel@75-138-187-221.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 06:36.19 | *** join/#devuan aqu4 (~aqu4bot@unaffiliated/subsen/bot/aqu4) |
| 06:37.00 | *** join/#devuan aqu4 (~aqu4bot@unaffiliated/subsen/bot/aqu4) |
| 06:38.02 | *** join/#devuan aqu4 (~aqu4bot@unaffiliated/subsen/bot/aqu4) |
| 06:42.14 | *** join/#devuan aqu4 (~aqu4bot@unaffiliated/subsen/bot/aqu4) |
| 07:38.35 | *** join/#devuan m0sin (~m0sin@88.87.198.146.dyn.plus.net) |
| 07:58.26 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 08:08.34 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~athidhep@184.75.215.2) |
| 08:23.46 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@mx.eniso-partners.com) |
| 08:29.51 | *** join/#devuan hellvis (~peter@dslb-088-078-042-250.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 08:29.59 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 08:41.06 | *** join/#devuan Jjp137 (~Jjp137@cpe-75-83-16-81.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:48.41 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 08:49.47 | *** join/#devuan thaller (~thaller@2001:a61:425:9200:15b2:6c2a:2a4e:4dec) |
| 08:57.23 | *** join/#devuan timeless (sid4015@firefox/developer/timeless) |
| 09:09.04 | *** join/#devuan mns` (~mns@177.13.50.194) |
| 09:14.49 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk_ (~s_kunk@146.255.174.104) |
| 09:15.43 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@unaffiliated/s-kunk/x-5139101) |
| 09:26.52 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@x53.octopuce.fr) |
| 09:35.34 | *** join/#devuan Sigyn (sigyn@freenode/utility-bot/sigyn) |
| 09:38.30 | blop | i disabled journal gnarface on / and that didn't help. right now extracting some files off a damaged drive on usb and there aren't real lockups but 1-2 second pauses |
| 09:44.36 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 09:52.50 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 09:56.55 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn (UNKNOWN@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:57.06 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 10:05.09 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 10:10.54 | *** join/#devuan markong (~marco@173.254.222.146) |
| 10:20.13 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn_pi (UNKNOWN@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:20.19 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-51-140.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 10:36.38 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 10:42.47 | *** join/#devuan clemens3_ (~clemens@mx.eniso-partners.com) |
| 10:43.18 | *** join/#devuan ejr (~ejr2@80-108-134-13.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 11:01.04 | *** join/#devuan mhc (~Error0@203-59-177-66.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:01.55 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-51-140.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 11:30.24 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 11:37.07 | *** join/#devuan djph (~dpurgert@104-57-151-177.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 11:39.19 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 11:45.19 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 11:46.09 | *** join/#devuan lupin3rd (~lupin3rd@host98-31-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:46.40 | *** join/#devuan DarkUranium (~DarkUrani@77.38.34.248) |
| 11:51.49 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-51-140.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 11:56.08 | *** join/#devuan amesser (~amesser@p200300E353C44000ECB7C2FA2186587C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:16.49 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.175.243) |
| 12:33.29 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@146.255.174.104) |
| 12:33.29 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@unaffiliated/s-kunk/x-5139101) |
| 12:34.25 | *** join/#devuan eliasr (uid27497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-elyrqsakfasjemki) |
| 13:11.26 | *** join/#devuan lupin3rd (~lupin3rd@host98-31-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:22.27 | *** join/#devuan bluemarlin (~bluemarli@unaffiliated/bluemarlin) |
| 13:31.20 | *** join/#devuan msiism (~msiism@200116b8458fd900ee086bfffe1ced28.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 13:57.45 | *** join/#devuan chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc08:a00:e906:34ca:79d0:346b) |
| 14:01.16 | *** join/#devuan thehornet (~a0225280@192.91.101.32) |
| 14:01.51 | *** part/#devuan thehornet (~a0225280@192.91.101.32) |
| 14:02.51 | aslan8649 | okay, after adding and updating 2000+ dpkgs on Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 it is working very good. there is great joy in the land. |
| 14:04.41 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-51-140.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 14:12.34 | blop | and there was much rejoicing (yaay) |
| 14:36.06 | *** join/#devuan Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) |
| 14:38.23 | *** join/#devuan georg-gast-1 (~georg@nebka.physik.tu-chemnitz.de) |
| 14:47.28 | ejr | aslan8649: i'm glad jessie is working well for you :) |
| 14:50.42 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 14:52.44 | *** join/#devuan Centurion_Dan (~Thunderbi@devuan/developer/centuriondan) |
| 14:56.04 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~furrywolf@172.58.39.54) |
| 14:56.22 | *** join/#devuan boson (~boson@smtp1.nayr.us) |
| 15:04.17 | brabo | aslan8649: o/ |
| 15:07.35 | *** join/#devuan TemporalBeing1 (~Ben_Meyer@172-6-231-225.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:11.21 | *** join/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@unaffiliated/g4570n) |
| 15:13.27 | *** join/#devuan TemporalBeing1 (~Ben_Meyer@72.32.180.183) |
| 15:15.45 | *** join/#devuan amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp121-45-5-70.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) |
| 15:16.34 | *** join/#devuan Not_a_Robot (~soul@91.100.217.199.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 15:30.12 | *** join/#devuan rsx (~rsx@ppp-46-244-252-171.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 15:40.25 | *** join/#devuan IoFran (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 15:44.25 | *** join/#devuan lantw44_ (~Ting-Wei_@linux5.csie.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 15:47.34 | *** join/#devuan athidhep (~eafaef@unaffiliated/athidhep) |
| 15:47.43 | *** join/#devuan Captain_Beezay (sid146285@taskhive/contributor/terabit) |
| 15:51.10 | *** join/#devuan Ryushin (~Ryushin@2001:470:4b:3d3:4175:a771:d4a5:cc12) |
| 15:54.10 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@2a01:e35:2fb0:a4f0:20e:c6ff:fec6:1cb3) |
| 15:58.16 | *** join/#devuan Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-5d6ab2-208.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:10.28 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~athidhep@S0106602ad06acd48.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 16:10.30 | *** join/#devuan lantw44 (~Ting-Wei_@linux5.csie.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 16:11.23 | *** part/#devuan lantw44 (~Ting-Wei_@linux5.csie.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 16:28.45 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 16:35.51 | *** part/#devuan msiism (~msiism@200116b8458fd900ee086bfffe1ced28.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 16:45.23 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
| 16:55.16 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 17:16.35 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 17:17.56 | *** join/#devuan bluemarlin (~bluemarli@unaffiliated/bluemarlin) |
| 17:19.48 | *** join/#devuan blitzed (~blitzed@38.95.109.228) |
| 17:25.07 | *** join/#devuan freemangordon_ (~ivo@31.41.23.250) |
| 17:36.29 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 17:38.06 | *** join/#devuan golinux (~golinux@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::f7:f001) |
| 17:38.06 | *** join/#devuan golinux (~golinux@devuan/developer/golinux) |
| 17:44.20 | *** join/#devuan clemens3_ (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:48.46 | *** join/#devuan mmaglis (~user@p508EA94C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:56.48 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 18:08.16 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@ip-109-90-187-181.hsi11.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 18:14.28 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@224.99.204.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 18:14.28 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@unaffiliated/s-kunk/x-5139101) |
| 18:16.53 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 18:18.49 | *** join/#devuan drdoc (~doc@vito.docsbox.net) |
| 18:20.02 | drdoc | Is there a Devuan install mirror with a valid SSL cert? |
| 18:20.03 | *** join/#devuan clemens3_ (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:20.34 | KatolaZ | drdoc: what are you talking about? |
| 18:20.39 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 18:20.58 | KatolaZ | (I guess you need a package mirror?) |
| 18:21.28 | drdoc | yes |
| 18:21.31 | KatolaZ | ^^^ |
| 18:21.46 | drdoc | https://us.devuan.org/ |
| 18:21.48 | drdoc | NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID |
| 18:22.09 | KatolaZ | drdoc: can you read what I wrote? |
| 18:22.31 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is just a CNAME for www.devuan.org |
| 18:22.31 | drdoc | are you just generally this nasty? |
| 18:22.38 | KatolaZ | and |
| 18:22.44 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is *not* a mirror |
| 18:22.50 | KatolaZ | you asked a question |
| 18:22.54 | KatolaZ | I answered it |
| 18:23.00 | KatolaZ | you ignore the answer :) |
| 18:23.10 | KatolaZ | are you just generally this nasty? |
| 18:24.08 | drdoc | us.mirror.devuan.org gets the same error |
| 18:24.26 | KatolaZ | drdoc: again... |
| 18:24.32 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 18:24.40 | KatolaZ | or |
| 18:24.45 | KatolaZ | https://auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 18:24.56 | KatolaZ | these are guaranteed to have valid certs |
| 18:25.39 | drdoc | thank you. |
| 18:25.49 | *** join/#devuan Centurion_Dan (~Thunderbi@devuan/developer/centuriondan) |
| 18:25.56 | KatolaZ | yw |
| 18:26.37 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:27.19 | drdoc | Most of the distributions, and most of the install maintainers, with which/whom I've worked, would be concerned to know that the most common CNAMEs for the repositories have a bad SSL certificate |
| 18:27.58 | KatolaZ | drdoc: we don't have a wildcard cert |
| 18:28.02 | KatolaZ | easy explanation |
| 18:28.09 | nemo | KatolaZ: Feb 27! ⺠|
| 18:28.37 | nemo | drdoc: do pkg repositories typically use HTTPS? I thought they relied on key signing the package files |
| 18:28.58 | drdoc | nemo: they do not |
| 18:29.19 | KatolaZ | in fact, checking the signatures of the release files is normally enough |
| 18:29.26 | KatolaZ | and done automatically by apt |
| 18:29.37 | KatolaZ | you can still do it by hand if you like |
| 18:30.14 | drdoc | actually, all I wanted was to confirm that the Devuan repositories have contrib and non-free repos |
| 18:30.15 | KatolaZ | but still some users insist in having support for https package repos |
| 18:30.18 | nemo | now. I did go to trouble of setting up ftp and https at work due to a very very stupid checkpoint deep packet inspecting BS |
| 18:30.27 | KatolaZ | drdoc: yes, they do |
| 18:30.28 | nemo | was only way to not have it block or corrupt apt files |
| 18:30.41 | nemo | but I was also fine w/ accepting a cert mismatch ⺠|
| 18:31.22 | drdoc | KatolaZ: re: nastiness, generally the "easy explanation" is the default response to a user reporting a problem |
| 18:32.07 | KatolaZ | drdoc: you asked for a package mirror with a valid cert |
| 18:32.08 | drdoc | *I* needed a browser accessible repository, and thank you |
| 18:32.23 | *** join/#devuan sokan (~Henry@unaffiliated/totaloblivion) |
| 18:32.25 | KatolaZ | drdoc: all the repos are browser accessible |
| 18:32.28 | drdoc | I thought *you* might want to know that the SSL cert is throwing exceptions |
| 18:32.42 | KatolaZ | drdoc: do you think I don't know? |
| 18:32.44 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:32.52 | KatolaZ | thanks for reporting the problem |
| 18:32.59 | KatolaZ | us.devuan.org is not a mirror |
| 18:33.04 | drdoc | KatolaZ: I figured you did |
| 18:33.20 | KatolaZ | if you want a mirror, use https://pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 18:33.28 | KatolaZ | or https://auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 18:33.32 | drdoc | I went there after getting the same error from us.mirror.devuan.org |
| 18:33.56 | KatolaZ | drdoc: I explained you that we don't have wildcard certs on mirror.devuan.org |
| 18:34.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:34.57 | drdoc | you know, man, I would really enjoy being an active member of the Devuan community |
| 18:35.41 | KatolaZ | drdoc: you are more than welcome |
| 18:35.42 | KatolaZ | please |
| 18:36.00 | drdoc | the responses I get from you, KatolaZ, in particular, make it difficult to care |
| 18:36.28 | *** part/#devuan drdoc (~doc@vito.docsbox.net) |
| 18:38.13 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@ip-109-90-187-181.hsi11.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 18:38.22 | blop | wz pillepalle |
| 18:44.46 | *** join/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 18:46.39 | *** part/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 18:47.03 | *** join/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 18:47.11 | *** part/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 18:51.48 | *** join/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 18:53.07 | msiism1 | i've just tried to upgrade devuan ascii on a laptop after a while. and while some packages were being upgraded, others were held back. i then tried to upgrade all packages that had been held back manually and things broke. |
| 18:53.26 | KatolaZ | msiism1: please list of packages |
| 18:53.35 | msiism1 | the problem is with libeudev 3.2.2-10 |
| 18:53.45 | KatolaZ | msiism1: please see the fix on DNG |
| 18:53.51 | KatolaZ | I will rebuild eudev later today |
| 18:53.56 | KatolaZ | with a fix |
| 18:54.00 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: ok, thanks |
| 18:54.04 | KatolaZ | it's not broken |
| 18:54.19 | KatolaZ | just put an emply file names "udev" in /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:54.29 | KatolaZ | or link it to /etc/init.d/eudev |
| 18:54.41 | KatolaZ | and things will be back to normal |
| 18:55.00 | msiism1 | good |
| 18:56.07 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 18:58.02 | *** join/#devuan davec1 (~User@host-69-145-45-32.shr-wy.client.bresnan.net) |
| 19:05.40 | msiism1 | well, the error i'm getting is different: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/fca00eb2 |
| 19:07.59 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 19:08.12 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 19:08.17 | KatolaZ | you should not have libudev |
| 19:08.20 | KatolaZ | are you upgrading? |
| 19:08.27 | KatolaZ | msiism1: apt-cache policy libudev1 |
| 19:08.28 | msiism1 | i tried to. |
| 19:08.33 | msiism1 | ok. |
| 19:09.35 | msiism1 | libudev1 is installed. (do you need the whole output? it would take a minute because it's on another machine) |
| 19:09.36 | KatolaZ | (please) |
| 19:09.46 | KatolaZ | whole output pls |
| 19:09.51 | msiism1 | ok |
| 19:12.24 | msiism1 | here you go: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/5bfe77ed |
| 19:12.57 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 19:13.03 | KatolaZ | you got an old version of udev |
| 19:13.10 | KatolaZ | possibly from early ascii |
| 19:13.11 | KatolaZ | so |
| 19:13.14 | msiism1 | i suppose so |
| 19:13.23 | KatolaZ | apt-get install udev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 |
| 19:13.28 | KatolaZ | should solve it |
| 19:13.32 | msiism1 | ok, i'll try |
| 19:13.39 | KatolaZ | it was updated to remove the weird epoch number |
| 19:13.45 | msiism1 | i see |
| 19:14.00 | KatolaZ | but it was like back in October/November |
| 19:14.15 | msiism1 | right, i haven't used the machine in a while |
| 19:14.35 | KatolaZ | actually between 24th and 30th Oct 2017 |
| 19:14.42 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 19:14.44 | KatolaZ | makes sense |
| 19:14.50 | KatolaZ | please try that |
| 19:14.55 | KatolaZ | also, if you wait 10-15 minutes |
| 19:15.08 | KatolaZ | you will find the latest eudev version |
| 19:15.12 | KatolaZ | 3.2.2-11 |
| 19:15.15 | msiism1 | nice |
| 19:15.22 | KatolaZ | it's building now |
| 19:16.00 | msiism1 | installing the newer udev version with the command above doesn't work, however. |
| 19:16.17 | msiism1 | it says that eudev collides with udev. |
| 19:16.52 | msiism1 | apt -f install doesn't fix this |
| 19:18.55 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 19:19.07 | KatolaZ | I need the full output msiism1, sorry |
| 19:19.25 | msiism1 | ok, let me get that |
| 19:20.01 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 19:23.37 | *** join/#devuan ymasson (~ymasson@LFbn-1-8899-115.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:26.11 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ebf6bfd5/ |
| 19:26.24 | msiism1 | there's a bit of noise in there, sorry (i used the script command) |
| 19:27.02 | KatolaZ | apt-get install udev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 libudev=1:3.2.2+devuan2.10 |
| 19:27.21 | KatolaZ | you must install them together |
| 19:27.33 | KatolaZ | and they will pull the needed deps (or at least they should) |
| 19:27.44 | KatolaZ | msiism1: ^^^ |
| 19:27.58 | msiism1 | ok. |
| 19:28.18 | KatolaZ | biab |
| 19:34.04 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 19:34.16 | msiism1 | KatolaZ: no success, unfortunately. if it is not too important to find out what the problem is here, i'd go for a re-install. |
| 19:36.07 | msiism1 | thanks a lot for your trying to help, though. |
| 19:36.13 | brabo | msiism1: i would guess that is entirely up to you, if you feel that is the way to go, go! ;) |
| 19:36.18 | brabo | ^^ |
| 19:36.47 | msiism1 | brabo: i'm fine with doing a reinstall. |
| 19:36.52 | brabo | and yes, at some point the question becomes: do i keep pouring time in trying to fix it, or do i just start over? |
| 19:37.00 | msiism1 | i have nothing to lose ;) |
| 19:37.12 | brabo | sometimes can be worth trying to fix, could be learning opportunity too |
| 19:37.13 | brabo | ;) |
| 19:37.50 | msiism1 | i was thinking that maybe this issue points to something that needs fixing. but apparently, it has already been fixed. |
| 19:38.43 | brabo | msiism1: usually one is not the first person to bump into an issue hehe |
| 19:38.47 | brabo | so ye, that happens :) |
| 19:39.23 | Irrwahn | I know I fixed that same issue on my desktop, but it's a while and I can't remember how exactly. It definitely did it with the help of aptitude, though. |
| 19:39.56 | msiism1 | Irrwahn: ok, i might give that a try before i install anew |
| 19:40.37 | Irrwahn | msiism1: Yup, can't break it any more, anyway, I guess. :^) |
| 19:40.59 | Irrwahn | BTW, the new eudev package just hit the repos. |
| 19:41.29 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telst4r@91-153-137-214.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:41.29 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telst4r@fsf/member/telst4r) |
| 19:42.07 | msiism1 | ok, let's see... |
| 19:44.45 | Irrwahn | New eudev has that bogus /etc/init.d/udev reference fixed, I just upgraded my machine. |
| 19:46.48 | *** join/#devuan polocho (~polocho@89.141.230.94.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 19:48.44 | *** join/#devuan h0rs35f0g (~myselfd@185.140.114.52) |
| 19:53.40 | *** join/#devuan IoFran2 (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 19:56.11 | *** join/#devuan aggrora (~aggrora@c213-89-1-5.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:01.14 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn_pi (UNKNOWN@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:02.12 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@anon-63-212.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 20:04.44 | *** join/#devuan agl (~ag@ipb21bb05a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 20:07.50 | *** join/#devuan freemangordon_ (~ivo@31.41.23.250) |
| 20:08.08 | *** join/#devuan freemangordon_ (~ivo@31.41.23.250) |
| 20:12.14 | *** join/#devuan seb95 (~sebastien@176.160.64.90) |
| 20:13.03 | *** part/#devuan seb95 (~sebastien@176.160.64.90) |
| 20:27.19 | *** join/#devuan athidhep (~eafaef@unaffiliated/athidhep) |
| 20:35.31 | *** join/#devuan minnesotags (~herbgarci@2603:3016:1e04:ac00:120b:a9ff:fea4:f3c0) |
| 20:36.12 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@2a01:e35:8a99:e90:1202:b5ff:fe91:e4ca) |
| 20:39.08 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:49.50 | *** join/#devuan mns` (~mns@177.13.50.194) |
| 20:52.47 | brabo | regarding the minimal setup and cryptsetup/initramfs, debian buster netinst does exactly the same, so maybe i should raise the issue at debians end |
| 20:53.18 | brabo | seems if they'd consider fixing it it would end up being useful to more people |
| 20:53.55 | brabo | also it has nothing to do with systemd by a long shot, so maybe outside the scope of devuan to go and fix anything regarding this |
| 21:00.02 | *** join/#devuan skyroveRR (~skyroveRR@unaffiliated/skyroverr) |
| 21:10.58 | *** join/#devuan ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 21:10.58 | *** mode/#devuan [+o ChanServ] by verne.freenode.net |
| 21:11.32 | *** part/#devuan msiism1 (~msiism@sozpc36.ngw.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 21:13.57 | *** join/#devuan markizano (markizano@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec8:382d) |
| 21:18.07 | *** join/#devuan freemangordon_ (~ivo@212-5-158-1.ip.btc-net.bg) |
| 21:19.41 | *** join/#devuan dTal (~dtal@unaffiliated/dtal) |
| 21:29.16 | *** join/#devuan AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@unaffiliated/alexlikerock) |
| 21:33.49 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn (UNKNOWN@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:39.45 | *** join/#devuan cyteen (~cyteen@146.66.58.55) |
| 21:42.20 | *** join/#devuan polocho_ (~polocho@89.141.230.94.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:52.02 | *** join/#devuan vivus (~vivus@unaffiliated/vivus) |
| 21:52.33 | *** join/#devuan msiism (~msiism@200116b8458fd900ee086bfffe1ced28.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 21:58.41 | *** join/#devuan athidhep (~eafaef@unaffiliated/athidhep) |
| 22:02.51 | *** join/#devuan fugitive (~fugitive@router31.nl.rapidseedbox.com) |
| 22:02.53 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@ip-109-90-187-181.hsi11.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 22:04.00 | fugitive | hey ppl. I have troubles install openjdk-8 on jessie. openjdk-8-jre-headless : Breaks: ca-certificates-java , |
| 22:04.46 | fugitive | ca-certificates-java , depends on openjdk7, so 8 && 7 |
| 22:04.58 | fugitive | s/ 8 && 7 // |
| 22:06.15 | fugitive | any solution, or to try installing openjdk-8 from source? ( i am not java guy, need v8 for one pkg) |
| 22:10.18 | golinux | fugitive: Possible work around - upgrade to ascii? |
| 22:10.40 | fugitive | naaahm :( |
| 22:11.14 | fugitive | doing my job from this laptop, can't "risc" |
| 22:11.26 | KatolaZ | fugitive: |
| 22:11.50 | KatolaZ | openjdk-8 is available from backports |
| 22:11.51 | KatolaZ | in jessie |
| 22:12.27 | fugitive | yes.. :( |
| 22:12.30 | KatolaZ | so no magic should be needed there |
| 22:12.52 | KatolaZ | are you using also non-devuan repos? |
| 22:13.16 | fugitive | nop, all devuan onees |
| 22:13.23 | *** join/#devuan cozzie (522739b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.39.57.183) |
| 22:13.29 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 22:13.45 | KatolaZ | a backport pkg should not brak anything |
| 22:14.32 | fugitive | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.32 | fugitive | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.45 | fugitive | *-8-jre depends on -> jre-headless, , where openjdk-8-jre-headless breaks ca-certificates-java |
| 22:15.46 | KatolaZ | fugitive: do you have backports enabled? |
| 22:15.51 | fugitive | yea |
| 22:16.20 | fugitive | http://termbin.com/map1 |
| 22:18.25 | fugitive | to try from source then KatolaZ ? |
| 22:18.43 | djph | grrr,who broke VLC with ascii :( |
| 22:19.08 | cozzie | Hi, am I in the right place for help booting devuan using grub loopback (set iso_path="devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso") ? |
| 22:21.43 | *** join/#devuan flrn (~flrn@HSI-KBW-046-005-019-083.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 22:22.00 | golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ |
| 22:22.44 | *** join/#devuan Irrwahn (UNKNOWN@p549A690C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:23.08 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:25.45 | fugitive | downloaded binaries, case solved.. |
| 22:27.07 | *** join/#devuan n4dir (~user@200116b868e13500021a4bfffe4896d9.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 22:28.32 | Criggie | I've got a failing SSD in my devuan desktop - everything gets weird when the root disk goes odd. |
| 22:29.35 | cozzie | ..If I extract the .iso, is there any way I can grub boot the vmlinuz, inited.img and get the filesystem.squashfs to boot? |
| 22:30.08 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@ip-109-90-187-181.hsi11.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 22:30.26 | n4dir | cozzie: you sure can chroot to it. how to do it was once discussed on forums.debian.net |
| 22:30.52 | *** join/#devuan Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) |
| 22:31.25 | fugitive | Criggie: everyting gets weird even when / get out of space :) |
| 22:31.26 | n4dir | else there is a tool from grml to boot iso's from grub, it's in the debian repos, but i don't know with which isos it works |
| 22:32.21 | Criggie | fugitive: want to really screw with someone? ifconfig lo down |
| 22:33.12 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@grad338-038.resnet.yorku.ca) |
| 22:33.35 | KatolaZ | fugitive: apt-cache policy openjdk-8-jre |
| 22:34.42 | fugitive | KatolaZ: http://termbin.com/prmr |
| 22:38.57 | golinux | cozzie: Try to catch fsmithred |
| 22:40.20 | KatolaZ | fugitive: you have backports held |
| 22:41.01 | KatolaZ | fugitive: apt-get install -t jessie-backports openjdk-8-jre |
| 22:42.08 | cozzie | n4dir: Thanks, chroot looks like a long when for just wanting to have devuan on my usb. I guess I will just have to nuke it with dd :( |
| 22:42.08 | fugitive | indeed.. 100% man |
| 22:42.13 | fugitive | thanks! |
| 22:42.49 | KatolaZ | fugitive: did it work? |
| 22:43.00 | fugitive | yea :) |
| 22:43.05 | KatolaZ | cozzie: wazzup? |
| 22:43.43 | golinux | <cozzie> Hi, am I in the right place for help booting devuan using grub loopback (set iso_path="devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso") ? |
| 22:43.44 | *** join/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@unaffiliated/g4570n) |
| 22:44.09 | msiism | i just realised today that on devuan, dd'ing an image to a flash device requires superuser privileges. so, you would, for example, only be able to create a bootable devuan usb key, if you have root access to the machine you're working on. i wonder if this is the case for most linux distributions. |
| 22:44.43 | KatolaZ | msiism: this is bound to users belonging to the plugdev group |
| 22:45.10 | KatolaZ | so no root privs needed |
| 22:45.17 | KatolaZ | just to be added to plugdev |
| 22:45.18 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:45.23 | msiism | KatolaZ: oh, i didn't know. |
| 22:45.51 | msiism | KatolaZ: so, during installation, normal users are not added to that group then? |
| 22:46.12 | KatolaZ | not by default I guess |
| 22:46.13 | KatolaZ | but |
| 22:46.24 | KatolaZ | install through live or minimal live actually does |
| 22:46.29 | KatolaZ | (probably, and IIRC) |
| 22:47.22 | msiism | ok, this is something to keep in mind. |
| 22:48.48 | KatolaZ | actually, I am not sure it is good to have that enabled by default |
| 22:49.46 | msiism | so, i will put "Running these commands may, in some cases, require superuser privileges." into the respective section of the manual draft on the fod wiki. |
| 22:50.29 | msiism | might even cut "in some cases" |
| 22:50.35 | KatolaZ | yes, drop it |
| 22:50.36 | KatolaZ | or |
| 22:50.36 | Irrwahn | looks at the output of "groups" command |
| 22:50.39 | KatolaZ | put the correct |
| 22:50.56 | Irrwahn | Sigh. I could as well simply work under root account. -.- |
| 22:51.06 | KatolaZ | "running these commands will require either root provilege or that the user belongs to the plugdev group" |
| 22:51.29 | KatolaZ | oh no Irrwahn |
| 22:51.48 | msiism | KatolaZ: well, the problem here is that the in "getting devuan" section, we cannot assume that the reader is actually already running devuan. |
| 22:51.50 | Irrwahn | KatolaZ: adm disk lp dialout cdrom sudo audio www-data video plugdev staff users netdev fuse vboxusers powerdev input |
| 22:52.05 | Irrwahn | *hysterical laughter* |
| 22:52.14 | KatolaZ | you would have to wear the 20-kg heavy green velvet hat with bells and whistles he all day long.... |
| 22:52.29 | Irrwahn | :D |
| 22:52.40 | KatolaZ | msiism: I see your point |
| 22:52.50 | KatolaZ | but we can't cater for all the possible exceptions |
| 22:52.58 | msiism | KatolaZ: people might be creating the boot medium on gentoo, freebsd or aix(?)... |
| 22:53.08 | KatolaZ | if a user does not know how they cannot do something, they will ask |
| 22:53.15 | msiism | KatolaZ: right, that's why i'd say: "may require root privs" |
| 22:53.23 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:53.38 | msiism | good |
| 22:53.49 | KatolaZ | well, in theory anything in a unix system could require root privileges.... |
| 22:53.50 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:54.28 | Irrwahn | FTFY: anything in a unix system SHOULD require root privileges }:-> |
| 22:54.36 | msiism | KatolaZ: true. ;) |
| 22:55.18 | dTal | OpenBSD logic: |
| 22:55.26 | Irrwahn | msiism: BTW, did the eudev thing work out? |
| 22:55.27 | dTal | "You can't let non-root users do that! It's insecure!" |
| 22:55.42 | dTal | "You can't run as root all the time! It's insecure!" |
| 22:56.01 | msiism | Irrwahn: can't say yet. i installed jessie. |
| 22:56.21 | Irrwahn | msiism: ah, ok =) |
| 22:56.40 | msiism | Irrwahn: the reason i took out that laptop was that i wanted to install or build iridium brwoser on devuan. |
| 22:57.09 | msiism | and so, i thought: well, install jessiefirst, try to build it there, document. then goon to ascii. |
| 22:57.12 | Irrwahn | that's the chromium spin off, right? |
| 22:57.28 | Irrwahn | yeah, makes sense |
| 22:57.33 | msiism | right, but it's not really a spin-off, i'd say. |
| 22:58.47 | msiism | they absically just take google one-time credo serious and remove all "evil". |
| 22:59.20 | msiism | except for drm, that is (chillfan wrote about this on d1g) |
| 22:59.21 | fsmithred | cozzie, I'm back |
| 22:59.43 | cozzie | fsmithred: hi :) |
| 22:59.47 | fsmithred | hi |
| 22:59.58 | fsmithred | one minute and I'll have the boot command |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#devuan minnesotags (~herbgarci@2603:3016:1e01:7500:120b:a9ff:fea4:f3c0) |
| 23:03.23 | fsmithred | http://termbin.com/njyo |
| 23:03.42 | fsmithred | cozzie, that's for booting an unpacked iso |
| 23:05.56 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@178-82-161-195.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:07.58 | *** join/#devuan DeFender (~DeFender1@dsl217-132-38-129.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 23:08.08 | fsmithred | sorry, not unpacked |
| 23:08.14 | fsmithred | un-unpacked |
| 23:08.31 | cozzie | un-unpacked iso :D |
| 23:08.58 | KatolaZ | cozzie: what do you mean by "unpacked iso"? |
| 23:08.58 | fsmithred | adjust the path according to your needs |
| 23:09.09 | fsmithred | that was my term |
| 23:09.24 | fsmithred | referring to a .iso file that's still a .iso file |
| 23:09.38 | fsmithred | instead of one that's been ripped open and its contents put somewhere |
| 23:09.55 | fsmithred | the latter being "unpacked" |
| 23:10.11 | KatolaZ | but if it's a devuan iso |
| 23:10.24 | fsmithred | doesn't matter |
| 23:10.27 | fsmithred | any live iso |
| 23:11.10 | fsmithred | or maybe any debian-based live iso. not sure about that. |
| 23:11.49 | cozzie | I will give it a try now. The only difference I can see is that I wasn't using [findiso="$iso_path" noeject] at then end of my line |
| 23:12.32 | fsmithred | I've heard that 'findiso' is a more reliable option than 'fromiso' |
| 23:13.11 | fsmithred | see 'man live-boot' for other things you can do |
| 23:14.44 | *** join/#devuan fred`` (fred@earthli.ng) |
| 23:15.50 | *** join/#devuan cozzie_ (522739b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.39.57.183) |
| 23:16.21 | KatolaZ | I mean if it's a devuan iso, it already has a bootloader.... |
| 23:16.41 | cozzie_ | fsmithred: Thank you! |
| 23:17.20 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, he wants to boot the live iso from hard drive instead of from external media |
| 23:17.46 | KatolaZ | oki |
| 23:18.27 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:27.00 | *** part/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@anon-63-212.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 23:28.25 | *** join/#devuan Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:777::870c) |
| 23:31.50 | *** join/#devuan cozzie (522739b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.39.57.183) |
| 23:46.52 | *** join/#devuan IoFran (~Thunderbi@189.231.114.2) |
| 23:54.07 | *** join/#devuan TemporalBeing1 (~Ben_Meyer@172-6-231-225.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:56.14 | *** part/#devuan msiism (~msiism@200116b8458fd900ee086bfffe1ced28.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |