| 00:01.44 | know1 | this might have something to do with it. "The following packages have been kept back: firefox-esr linux-image-amd64" |
| 00:01.54 | know1 | I'm guessing the linux image being held back is what is causing problems |
| 00:02.03 | know1 | Not sure wtf to do at the minute though |
| 00:02.17 | gnarface | linux-image-amd64 is just another meta-package pointing to the current kernel package |
| 00:02.20 | chillfan | try xserver-xorg-video-nouveau .. should fix it for you for now |
| 00:04.03 | know1 | Before I install that, my X-server isn't unusable. I just killed slim (login manager) so X would be killed. The nvidia driver won't run if an X server is running |
| 00:04.20 | know1 | I'm stubbornly sat in the terminal until I figure it out |
| 00:05.08 | know1 | Stopping for a smoke break for now |
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| 00:08.14 | know1 | Oh yeah, I noticed a minor bug in the install |
| 00:08.26 | know1 | You can't use spaces in passwords |
| 00:08.36 | know1 | It throws "passwords are not the same" error |
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| 00:08.46 | know1 | I tried it like ten times so I must have typed it right at least once |
| 00:09.11 | know1 | I like using quotes for passwords because they are easy to remember and hard to bruteforce |
| 00:09.21 | know1 | and it's annoying having to miss spaces |
| 00:09.21 | gnarface | that's the jessie installer? interesting... |
| 00:09.34 | know1 | yeah |
| 00:11.31 | know1 | Might be interesting to play around with |
| 00:12.01 | know1 | At least it throws passwords not the same |
| 00:12.20 | know1 | If you had two quotes, and space threw a parse error after the first word, and they started with the same word, it would be trouble |
| 00:12.33 | know1 | But i don't think it would do that if it threw wrong password |
| 00:12.44 | know1 | Still, it could probably do with some fuzzing |
| 00:13.39 | dTal | know1: you shouldn't admit to using quotes |
| 00:13.48 | dTal | that makes them considerably easier to brute force :p |
| 00:13.59 | know1 | There's a gabillion quotes out there, and I only quote myself anyway |
| 00:14.13 | know1 | It's never a well known one |
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| 00:14.44 | dTal | still, you need only have said you use spaces |
| 00:15.09 | know1 | I don't even have port 22 open anyway |
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| 00:15.46 | chillfan | I always feel a login is better protected even when that's not the case |
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| 00:24.59 | know1 | Getting really tired of trying to google stuff for devuan and google constatly correcting my search to debian |
| 00:27.47 | golinux | know1: Just add this to your search -debian which will block result from debian. |
| 00:28.13 | golinux | I don't mind debian results but often use -ubuntu |
| 00:28.26 | gnarface | know1: lots of the debian wiki content is still accurate |
| 00:28.41 | gnarface | (but that search behavior frustrates me too) |
| 00:28.47 | golinux | We also have a forum at dev1galaxy.org with lots of useful information |
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| 00:29.02 | know1 | oh cool tip, thanks |
| 00:29.18 | know1 | I used to use + as a google operator but it got removed |
| 00:30.29 | know1 | I'm tempted to use apt-get dist-upgrade to try and force this |
| 00:31.09 | know1 | well it says it's going to update the image now |
| 00:31.14 | gnarface | what kernel are you currently using? i'm not sure you even need to use the linux-image-amd64 package |
| 00:31.41 | gnarface | oh, well whatever works |
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| 00:40.34 | know1 | Gotta love it when your internet drops at 90% of a download |
| 00:41.13 | chillfan | Reminds one of the bad old days |
| 00:42.17 | dTal | know1: no big deal, just resume the download |
| 00:43.12 | know1 | It was an apt download |
| 00:43.17 | know1 | Had to restart |
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| 00:47.42 | know1 | time for a reboot to see if apt behaves any better now |
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| 00:52.16 | know1 | Well it still won't let me install nvidia-driver, but it will now let me install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:52.24 | know1 | So I'm getting closer |
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| 00:52.54 | gnarface | it's possible you do need to upgrade your kernel to get it to work with the nvidia driver |
| 00:53.07 | gnarface | if you're using something older than 3.2 i doubt the current package is compatible |
| 00:53.18 | know1 | well if the nvidia binary can see the source it can build stuff for it |
| 00:53.36 | know1 | If it can't I need to hunt idown where it's kept because the installer says you can pass that as a flag to it |
| 00:53.44 | gnarface | that's true but i think the most you're likely to get is a non-functioning binary |
| 00:53.58 | know1 | Well I'm going to try anyway |
| 00:54.01 | know1 | For science |
| 00:54.06 | gnarface | for science! :D |
| 00:54.09 | know1 | :) |
| 00:54.45 | gnarface | well if it doesn't work then it probably will after a kernel upgrade |
| 00:55.04 | gnarface | luckily you can keep more than one kernel installed in parallel |
| 00:55.06 | know1 | The installer still can't see the source files |
| 00:55.16 | know1 | They aren't in /usr/local/src |
| 00:55.22 | know1 | That would be too easy |
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| 00:55.26 | gnarface | it would be /usr/src |
| 00:55.35 | gnarface | for the kernel headers package |
| 00:55.53 | know1 | Well you're right, they are there |
| 00:56.01 | know1 | Why the hell the installer didn't check there I don't know |
| 00:56.14 | gnarface | it might check for a symlink in /lib/modules/[kernel version] |
| 00:56.26 | gnarface | that symlink may not be present depending on your upgrade process |
| 00:57.21 | gnarface | for example i have /lib/modules/4.9.0-1-amd64/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-1-amd64/ |
| 00:57.39 | gnarface | and /lib/modules/4.9.0-1-amd64/source -> /usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-1-common/ |
| 00:58.10 | gnarface | the symlinks should get created automatically but i do recall that sometimes they don't if you're fudging things too much |
| 01:01.06 | know1 | /lib/modules/3.16.05-amd-64 has no build directory -_- |
| 01:01.51 | gnarface | it's just a symlink |
| 01:02.30 | know1 | or source |
| 01:02.30 | know1 | hrm |
| 01:02.36 | gnarface | the directories should be in the actual linux-headers that corresponded to the linux-image package for that kernel version |
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| 01:03.36 | gnarface | so for example for kernel 4.9 i have: linux-headers-4.9.0-1-common, linux-headers-4.9.0-1-amd64, linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64 |
| 01:04.33 | know1 | ah I only have linux-source-3.16.tar.xz in /usr/src, I guess I should extract that |
| 01:04.55 | gnarface | oh if you didn't install it from the packages, yea you'll have to set it up yourself manually |
| 01:05.02 | gnarface | you'll need to unzip it and configure it actually |
| 01:05.07 | gnarface | i don't think it has to be built, just configured |
| 01:05.18 | know1 | I did install it from the packages |
| 01:05.22 | know1 | But eh whatever |
| 01:05.23 | gnarface | then you'll have to point those source and build symlinks to it |
| 01:05.39 | know1 | Oven has just beeped, gonna come back to it in a bit |
| 01:05.39 | gnarface | well do you still have linux-headers installed? |
| 01:05.48 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep linux- |
| 01:06.41 | know1 | htm. "Package 'linux-headers' has no installation candidate'" |
| 01:06.44 | know1 | (oven time) |
| 01:07.22 | gnarface | it is possible you installed the linux-image package but not the corresponding linux-headers package. you wouldn't need it if you weren't building anything against the kernel. |
| 01:08.09 | gnarface | note that there wouldn't be any package named "linux-headers" exactly, it would be linux-headers-amd64 or linux-headers-3.16.0-1-amd64 or something like that |
| 01:08.30 | gnarface | you can try: apt-cache search ^linux- |
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| 01:23.37 | know1 | gnarface: that worked, it's building the kernel module now |
| 01:23.49 | know1 | oh wait, another error |
| 01:26.34 | know1 | Now it's saying I'm using the wrong version of gcc |
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| 01:26.43 | know1 | I tried the original one and it wouldn't even get that far |
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| 01:28.36 | gnarface | know1: which gcc? you should be able to install a few in parallel. it might need 4.6? |
| 01:28.53 | know1 | I'll try that |
| 01:29.09 | gnarface | i think you can run into a problem if the kernel wasn't built with the same gcc version though |
| 01:29.19 | gnarface | but maybe that's the error you're seeing |
| 01:29.43 | know1 | eh 4.6 isn't in the repos |
| 01:30.02 | know1 | I don't kow which version of gcc the kernel used |
| 01:30.15 | know1 | know* |
| 01:30.55 | gnarface | there is an easy way to tell but i forget what it is |
| 01:31.40 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 01:31.50 | gnarface | i guess you only have a choice between 4.9 and 4.8 |
| 01:32.00 | gnarface | 4.6 must have been wheezy |
| 01:32.24 | gnarface | (i've been upgrading this unstable install for years now, they tend to pile up) |
| 01:33.09 | gnarface | looks around and sees installed gcc versions going all the way back to 4.2 |
| 01:33.09 | know1 | It's half one in the morning here, and unfortunately I have real life needing me to get up early tomorrow. |
| 01:33.16 | know1 | I will have to leave it for tonight |
| 01:33.25 | gnarface | alright well good luck with it |
| 01:33.29 | know1 | It will be a nice puzzle waiting for me to come back to |
| 01:33.30 | gnarface | i'll be around at some point tomorrow too |
| 01:33.48 | know1 | Thanks for the help, appreciated |
| 01:33.56 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 02:12.16 | karl79 | Hey guys, when I'm playing emulator games(or I think videos too but the effects aren't as strong), the games start to lag really hard. When I open up the game on openbox it doesn't happen anywhere near as fast as it does when I'm running LXDE, I think another process comes along and starts to make the game lag. When I run APT or something it makes the game lag hard & even once APT is done its still lagging hard. this happ |
| 02:12.16 | karl79 | me emulators, mgba, mupen64plus, dgen, a few others. |
| 02:15.02 | chillfan | The only thing I can think of is your specific setup in openbox.. like composite manager |
| 02:15.22 | chillfan | and also vsync |
| 02:16.07 | chillfan | which is not at all anything you'd want for any reason |
| 02:16.09 | karl79 | composite manager isn't going in openbox... at least I don't think it is. |
| 02:16.16 | karl79 | I've never set it up to work that way |
| 02:16.35 | chillfan | depending on your driver that may already be setup |
| 02:16.37 | karl79 | I suppose I should try disabling a bunch of stuff in LXDE & then giving it another shot... |
| 02:16.54 | karl79 | depending on my driver? o.o I don't think so |
| 02:17.03 | karl79 | I always had to add compton to make compositing work |
| 02:17.08 | chillfan | nouveau may enable vsync by default |
| 02:17.19 | karl79 | ya its not nouveau, its i915 |
| 02:17.31 | chillfan | not familiar with it's drivers |
| 02:17.34 | karl79 | I was thinking about giving wayland a shot |
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| 02:17.38 | karl79 | instead of xorg |
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| 02:17.47 | karl79 | how do I do that? O.o what DE's support wayland? |
| 02:18.04 | chillfan | no idea, never looked into it |
| 02:19.03 | karl79 | so I'll try disabling xorg & trying out wayland... ill try turning off the composite manager... what else do you think I might be able to try? This only happens for me on the one PC... |
| 02:19.55 | chillfan | disabling serives, increase size of ram shared with the APU in the motherboard settings |
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| 02:20.33 | karl79 | shared with the APU? I think it has a separate CPU GPU |
| 02:21.01 | karl79 | Its a Dell Inspiron Mini 1011, I know its old but it used to work just fine not all that long ago |
| 02:21.13 | chillfan | What changed? |
| 02:21.21 | karl79 | it still works OK for watching videos thankfully, but I can only download so many videos |
| 02:21.24 | karl79 | I don't know! |
| 02:21.31 | karl79 | one day it just started acting like this... |
| 02:21.44 | karl79 | i dunno if it was an update or what it was... |
| 02:22.02 | chillfan | it's possible you're hit by the performance hit of the meltdown fixes |
| 02:22.18 | karl79 | what does that mean? O.o |
| 02:22.40 | karl79 | I've compiled the latest pf-kernel custom kernel |
| 02:22.53 | karl79 | I've tested different kernels & the problem is universal |
| 02:23.11 | karl79 | I wanted to test FreeBSD but they don't even support bluetooth 3&+ |
| 02:23.45 | chillfan | well, lately there was huge bug in intel cpus that required changes in the kernel that cause some serious slow down |
| 02:24.02 | karl79 | its Intel |
| 02:24.03 | chillfan | or it can be only small, but that might be an issue there |
| 02:24.08 | karl79 | its an older intel but it is an intel |
| 02:24.28 | chillfan | how about the stock kernel? |
| 02:24.34 | karl79 | I've tried that |
| 02:24.34 | karl79 | ofc |
| 02:24.40 | chillfan | ok just checking |
| 02:24.53 | karl79 | That was one of the first things I tried |
| 02:25.17 | karl79 | I've tried Parabola Linux, Void Linux, Devuan, Debian, Fedora.... |
| 02:25.26 | karl79 | archlinux32 |
| 02:26.19 | chillfan | Well I suspect it's the meltdown fixes then |
| 02:27.14 | chillfan | since that's pretty much universal there, you can test it by turning those off |
| 02:27.17 | chillfan | https://fedoramagazine.org/kpti-new-kernel-feature-mitigate-meltdown/ |
| 02:27.45 | chillfan | try the nopti boot option |
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| 02:28.28 | chillfan | if it changes your situation, keep your eye on the news about it.. as new changes might decrease the performance penalty |
| 02:29.17 | chillfan | meaning compile the latest kernel if that's the case |
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| 02:31.55 | chillfan | some more info here https://access.redhat.com/articles/3311301 |
| 02:35.23 | chillfan | bbl |
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| 02:37.28 | gnarface | i still think it's a power management issue |
| 02:37.34 | gnarface | or cpu frequency/thermal |
| 02:38.00 | gnarface | but at this point it's just speculation without tests |
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| 09:55.24 | Guest35846 | i'm getting an error packaging linux-libre-4.9.80 |
| 09:55.33 | Guest35846 | i attach the build file: http://gnuinos.org/linux_4.9.80-1_i386.build |
| 09:57.21 | Guest35846 | look at the line: |
| 09:57.23 | Guest35846 | find debian/linux-image-4.9.0-5-686-dbg/usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/4.9.0-5-686/ -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 \! -name kernel -exec rm {} \+ |
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| 09:59.26 | Guest35846 | `debian/linux-image-4.9.0-5-686/lib/modules/4.9.80-gnu/` is generated instead of `debian/linux-image-4.9.0-5-686/lib/modules/4.9.0-5-686/` |
| 10:00.41 | Guest35846 | and i don't know where is 4.9.80-gnu taken from |
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| 10:01.55 | Guest35846 | there is no 4.9.80-gnu in the debian/ folder, i renamed the sources to 4.9.80 |
| 10:03.11 | Guest35846 | the problem is in the line: |
| 10:03.13 | Guest35846 | mkdir -p $(PACKAGE_DIR)/lib/modules/$(REAL_VERSION) |
| 10:03.29 | Guest35846 | of debian/rules.real |
| 10:10.18 | Guest35846 | but REAL_VERSION is defined by the following way: |
| 10:10.20 | Guest35846 | REAL_VERSION = $(ABINAME)$(LOCALVERSION) |
| 10:10.45 | Guest35846 | so, i don't know where is 4.9.80-gnu taken from :( |
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| 10:41.17 | Guest35846 | bbl |
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| 16:25.16 | blop | < monty86> if it wasn't for javascript, nobody would need a new computer |
| 16:25.37 | telst4r | lol |
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| 16:26.54 | telst4r | Bitcoin had to be invented because people started to block JS's |
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| 16:29.31 | bl4ckn1nJa | lol this is dax https://i.imgur.com/By4o3ma.jpg |
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| 19:30.08 | minnesotags | ystem error resolving 'pkgmaster.devuan.org:80' - getaddrinfo (13: Permission denied) |
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| 19:41.05 | minnesotags | The repository 'http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii Release' does no longer have a Release file. |
| 19:45.58 | minnesotags | What's that all about? |
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| 20:03.52 | enyc | Hrrrm............ |
| 20:04.03 | enyc | (suspecting) issue with ascii... |
| 20:04.37 | enyc | Updates, and isnstallation of correct packages, usb automounding in Ascii MATE deksotp now 'works' as per recentish emails explaining who todo |
| 20:05.47 | enyc | noticing, in 'caja' file-manager, however, clicking on mounted devices, of mtp nature (e.g. android gadgets and the like), I get "Couldn't find matching udev device." message...? |
| 20:06.12 | enyc | ["eudev 3.2.2-11"] installed |
| 20:06.58 | enyc | hrrm... this may just be some nonsese from connecting/unconnecting/etc -- but I wanted to mention it, it could be a useful clue... |
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| 20:22.43 | minnesotags | this is a headless server |
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| 20:23.05 | minnesotags | Other servers, using the exact same sources.list, have no problem. |
| 20:23.19 | minnesotags | The keyring says it is the latest (October, 2017) |
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| 20:29.43 | aggrora-inst | Hello. I'm atempting to install devuan-ascii-netinst. My system is a Lenovo thinkpad t420s and I have myself swaped out the cd-rom and fitted in an disk-drive cabinet which now holds an ssd. The ssd is by test working as expected but I do run into some problems with this new install. |
| 20:31.16 | aggrora-inst | On installation step, Detect and mount CD-ROM, I get message that it does not find any and that I could choose to continue with netinstall instead. Though, I never get this option, only get message that one step failed. |
| 20:31.21 | minnesotags | "System error resolving 'auto.mirror.devuan.org:80' - getaddrinfo (13: Permission denied)" This is what I think the problem is. |
| 20:32.05 | aggrora-inst | Could someone explain why this "net-inst"-iso keeps asking me for cd-rom? :) |
| 20:32.07 | minnesotags | Nevermind.... |
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| 20:45.43 | golinux | aggrora-inst: It is a bug in the beta |
| 20:47.37 | aggrora-inst | golinux: Ah, I see :) Do you think devs need any infromation/troubleshooting for it? |
| 20:47.58 | golinux | The devs found it in testing themselves. |
| 20:48.45 | aggrora-inst | Ok. |
| 20:49.40 | golinux | But probably wouldn't hurt to file a bug at bugs.devuan.org |
| 20:49.59 | golinux | You can do it by email. |
| 20:52.42 | aggrora-inst | Yea, I think I will do that. |
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| 22:01.16 | blop | purging libpulse0 will remove so many things :( |
| 22:03.13 | golinux | Yeah. Impossible to get rid of that lib |
| 22:05.43 | blop | let's see what happens if i remove libpulse*.so then |
| 22:09.21 | golinux | gets virtual popcorn |
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| 22:17.14 | blop | yeah too much stuff needs libpulse |
| 22:22.06 | golinux | Exactly. It's a mini-systemd! |
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| 22:47.30 | blop | what terminal emulator can you reccommend? i tried urxvt, lxterminal, xterm, xvt, mlterm - all have different problems |
| 22:48.44 | fsmithred | pick your poison |
| 22:49.05 | fsmithred | I like lxterminal |
| 22:59.02 | debdog | what problems? |
| 22:59.13 | debdog | sticks to xterm + screen |
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| 23:06.19 | MinceR | i recommend terminator |
| 23:06.23 | MinceR | for general use |
| 23:06.31 | MinceR | and xfce4-terminal for dropdown terminal |
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| 23:16.51 | blop | ty MinceR |
| 23:17.00 | MinceR | np |
| 23:17.07 | blop | test results in 5 minutes |
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| 23:34.22 | blop | https://files.catbox.moe/qxo76z.png screen+irssi color rendering in urxvt, mlterm, lxterminal, gnome-terminal, terminator and xfce4-terminal |
| 23:36.35 | blop | the last 4 are using libvte, i think |
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| 23:48.56 | MinceR | you can also switch palettes in many of these |
| 23:49.06 | MinceR | and yeah, libvte is very common |
| 23:51.44 | blop | yeh the palettes aren't the issue really, it's getting colors set wrong that is |
| 23:52.12 | blop | so the yellow around marge's eyes is supposed to be the yellow on her whole face, not orange/darkyellow |
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| 23:53.11 | blop | so certain glyphs trigger wrong color setting in libvte, and mlterm is well.. |
