| 00:00.06 | ThurahT | doesn't matter what settings I do in powermanager |
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| 00:42.11 | EHeM | So, what username/password do the Ascii live images use? |
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| 00:59.43 | EHeM | Pretty clearly the conventional values from Debian ("user"/"live") were changed in the Ascii minial live image, but I haven't found information on what they were changed to. |
| 01:01.21 | ThurahT | root/toor? |
| 01:01.38 | EHeM | Ah, that works. |
| 01:02.49 | EHeM | Apparently documented in the README, problem is "user" and "live" are very well documented. :-( |
| 01:06.02 | ThurahT | did you mean "are not"? Otherwise I can't parse that.. |
| 01:07.19 | EHeM | Are documented in the README (but if you're loking at https://www.devuan.org/ there is no reminder about the README). |
| 01:08.40 | ThurahT | yeah nah yeah, I am going to sleep now. Have fun using Devuan, btw! : ) |
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| 01:19.02 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:24.25 | fsmithred | EHeM, devuan:devuan and root:toor |
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| 04:18.30 | Juesto | Should I install elogind? |
| 04:19.05 | skyroveRR | Should you? |
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| 07:10.32 | avbox | after another two days of work to compile latest kernel (4.14.24), my elan touchpad on acer swift 5 notebook does still not appear in dmesg, while it is working in ubuntu, any ideas why? |
| 07:11.17 | FriendlyMan | Devuan ascii: Debian stretch's decision to make libinput the default seems to have taken some choice away. Attempting to get synaptics working. tried copying synaptics .conf file as debian wiki said. Tried lowering .conf's number to give it precedence over libinput. Libinput still takes precedence. |
| 07:11.18 | FriendlyMan | Attempted removing libinput xorg package with "apt0get remove" package wants to remove half my devuan install! |
| 07:12.11 | avbox | actually I on devuan jessie, is it a must to go to devuan ascii for it? |
| 07:12.23 | FriendlyMan | wants to remove xfce-panel, and incidently libreoffice with it. Is there a way to get synaptics working in devuan ascii? If I can't remove libinput, then I can't try mtrack either. |
| 07:12.30 | FriendlyMan | True true. =) |
| 07:13.34 | FriendlyMan | I already spent allot of time getting this box up and running. I was attempting to get kinetic scrolling, gestures, everything perfected. I've spent 2 weeks getting ready to do this research on the "best" multitouch configuration, and now I can't? :\ |
| 07:14.37 | FriendlyMan | I removed the pertinent sections from the libinput. Guess I'll keep trying possibly report back my mess up. Thanks all! |
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| 09:24.06 | FriendlyMan | np should have: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep synaptics |
| 09:24.28 | FriendlyMan | Would have seen synaptics was working after all =) |
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| 14:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | !password |
| 14:25.10 | infobot | well, #devuan raspi login is pw toor https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=3, or devuan:devuan and root:toor |
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| 14:51.57 | telst4r | oh the default passwords.. |
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| 15:14.00 | avbox | touchpad works, but not right (at least not with kivy). After I added i2c drivers to kernel, I know can work on my acer with it with the booting parameter 'acpi_osi='. So far so well, everything works ok, only on kivy button are pressed without clicking it. What could be wrong? is it a touchpad option in xorg or a kivy problem? |
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| 15:41.52 | flrn | avbox: if it's a hardware button (don't know "kivy"), you can check with acpi_listen ans do the appropriate magic in /etc/acpi/(events/) |
| 15:43.00 | flrn | also, what did you do to fix it? just for the record / botbot... |
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| 15:44.09 | flrn | oh I see, you talk about mouseclicks... still no idea about kivy, sry and off. |
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| 15:54.13 | avbox_ | flrn: I had a look at ubuntu kernel conf file, I found a lot of differences. First I tried to compile vanilla kernel 4.14.24 with that file, but did not succeed. After it I went through the different options, and changed what I thought could be needed. At some point someone else pointed out it worked with 'acpi_osi=' flag, what then worked sometimes. Added all the time psmouse and now it works. |
| 15:56.35 | avbox_ | flrn: But I have to add here the solution wiht 'acpi_osi=' seems to be the old fashioned way. At least it works, spent about three days for this issue. Think that a acpi table patch would needed, but on ubuntu there are tons of patches in one file (if I understood it right) |
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| 15:59.42 | avbox_ | flrn: The only issue is, that working with the touchpad in the combination with kivy (is python stuff) touching the touchpad means in kivy pressing (the nearest available button). As I actually use kivy only to shutdown the machine in my avmultimedia distribution, I try to find out why it is, but it can also happen that I switch over to a zenity script. |
| 16:00.50 | flrn | avbox: ah, so it (basically) was a "not yet supported" issue... |
| 16:04.30 | avbox_ | flrn: Not sure, the point with elan touchpad seems to bee that the driver in linux is rather poor quality, a lot of fixes, quirks and more. But, without a working touchpad on the notebook (especially on this acer swift 5 with <1 kg and very powerfull hardware), it does not make any sense to use linux (here devuan). |
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| 16:28.15 | flrn | avbox_: I tend to websearch for install+linux+$target before I buy up-to-date hardware (what I usually don't)^^ |
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| 16:35.04 | avbox_ | flrn: You are right for personal purposes, but avmultimedia is a devuan based multimedia linux distribution (kodi, video editing, office and graphical work) that runs completelly in RAM (startup in 30 to 60 seconds, can be used over every computer with a usb stick). So I can't say to the users, only works with this or that hardware, it must run on most possible hardware. The elan touchpad is a beast, but it is widely used on common ne |
| 16:42.27 | avbox | flrn: ...wer hardware, so it is a must. But yes, if I did know that I spend about three days with such a thing, I probably bought another notebook. Can add here, the cheap one had a flag in bios for touchpad, so it worked with this flag out of the box. The more expansive (and more powerfull) acer swift 5 had not such a flag, but such things you can't check without the hardware. Anyway it now should work on all notebooks with touchpads |
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| 17:42.09 | nelson | has anyone installed wine32 here? |
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| 17:55.39 | bill-auger | in an IRC channel? |
| 17:57.44 | Lydia_K | win32 libraries? In my IRC channel? It's more likely than you think. |
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| 18:02.44 | furrywolf | :) |
| 18:03.19 | furrywolf | I was just looking at something in c++... c++ has changed a lot since last time I wrote any. for example, foreach and anonymous functions. |
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| 18:04.31 | ibanja | I have wine32 installed |
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| 18:05.11 | ibanja | It is installed on jessie using backports |
| 18:05.22 | furrywolf | did you know c++ has anonymous functions now? I didn't! |
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| 18:19.35 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.47 | nelson | Depends: librsvg2-bin but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:20.03 | nelson | i want to tell apt-get to install those |
| 18:20.22 | nelson | but when i do that, it finds many more things which 'is not going to be installed' |
| 18:21.15 | nelson | why does apt-get not install the things it needs to install, when it knows what it needs to install? |
| 18:21.42 | nelson | (devuan ceres) |
| 18:23.05 | nelson | libdbus-1-dev : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (= 1.10.8-1+devuan1) but 1.10.22-1+devuan1 is to be installed |
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| 18:23.34 | nelson | librsvg2-bin managed to install though |
| 18:24.17 | nelson | libdbus-1-3 is already the newest version (1.10.22-1+devuan1) |
| 18:24.17 | Juesto | Should I install elogind? i am not sure |
| 18:24.23 | Juesto | why policykit breaks? |
| 18:25.32 | nelson | how do i fix libdbus-1-dev package to be satisfied with installed libdbus-1-3? |
| 18:26.15 | KatolaZ | nelson: it's telling you |
| 18:26.23 | KatolaZ | you are mixing ceres repos with ascii ones? |
| 18:26.36 | nelson | i switched from ascii to ceres and updated |
| 18:26.50 | KatolaZ | nelson: you can force a dep |
| 18:26.55 | KatolaZ | just |
| 18:26.59 | KatolaZ | apt-get install package=version |
| 18:27.50 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.14 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.24 | KatolaZ | nelson: something needs that 1.10.22-1+devuan1 |
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| 19:04.43 | nelson | builddeps:retroarch : Depends: libsdl2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:05.07 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.36 | nelson | libdbus-1-dev : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (= 1.10.8-1+devuan1) but 1.10.22-1+devuan1 is to be installed |
| 19:05.59 | nelson | but libdbus-1-3 1.10.22-1+devuan1 is already installed |
| 19:07.21 | KatolaZ | nelson: apt-get install libdbus-1-dev=1.10.22-1+devuan1 |
| 19:07.44 | nelson | E: Version '1.10.22-1+devuan1' for 'libdbus-1-dev' was not found |
| 19:07.50 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 19:07.55 | KatolaZ | obviously |
| 19:08.01 | KatolaZ | that's in ascii |
| 19:08.04 | KatolaZ | not in ceres |
| 19:08.08 | KatolaZ | you should add ascii repos |
| 19:08.25 | nelson | ah can i add them in additino to the ceres ones? to sources.list? |
| 19:08.37 | KatolaZ | sure you can |
| 19:08.43 | nelson | ty |
| 19:08.45 | KatolaZ | np |
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| 20:35.52 | tocsa2 | Hey there! |
| 20:36.41 | tocsa2 | I decided to try Devuan as a non-systemd distribution for my new install |
| 20:37.44 | tocsa2 | Before changing my mind I installed Lubuntu, and also there was Windows on the laptop originally |
| 20:38.17 | tocsa2 | The secure boot was on, even when I installed the Lubuntu, and the UEFI did not have any problem with that one |
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| 20:39.08 | tocsa2 | However whether I try pen drive install or I try DVD based install the UEFI/BIOS rejects the boot saying that the signature is invalid |
| 20:39.42 | tocsa2 | After trying several options I believe that this BIOS wanring on my end is Devuan specific |
| 20:40.11 | tocsa2 | I'm not sure if the UEFI is missing a key to verify this, or the signature is f-ed up on the install isos somehow |
| 20:40.35 | tocsa2 | Anyone have thoughts on that? |
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| 20:52.13 | golinux | fsmithred: UEFI question ^^^ |
| 20:54.09 | nelson | tocsa2: i think you can disable the security check for efi in bios |
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| 20:55.42 | tocsa2 | I could disable it in the BIOS, and it seems that's the only way I can go now, but why that is not needed for Ubuntu/Lubuntu/Xubuntu? What's up with the Devuan's signature? |
| 20:56.29 | tocsa2 | I don't say I adore Secure Boot originally when it was introduced, but I have to admit that it is a security feature, and I would like to take advantage of it if possible |
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| 21:04.10 | fsmithred | here, what's up? |
| 21:04.14 | fsmithred | let me read |
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| 21:05.21 | fsmithred | tocsa2, debian and therefore devuan have not paid microsoft for a signing key. ubuntu has. |
| 21:05.29 | fsmithred | turn off secure boot |
| 21:05.58 | tocsa2 | Ooooh |
| 21:06.09 | fsmithred | I believe there's a way to create your own key |
| 21:06.13 | fsmithred | I've seen howtos |
| 21:06.53 | tocsa2 | Well, that explains it |
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| 21:14.26 | avbox_ | tocsa2: Devuan (as Debian) actually has no secure boot, so you have to disable it. In my own linux distribution avmultimedia (which is devuan based) I added secure boot (taken from ubuntu), so this woud run. |
| 21:15.31 | tocsa2 | avbox: Did you follow any tutorial for that? |
| 21:16.15 | tocsa2 | I augmented a pendrive which was half Ubuntu, and I could boot Devuan but I had to get through BIOS warnings (when Secure Boot was enabled) |
| 21:17.06 | tocsa2 | That kinda questions me how secure is secure boot, because in the end I booted a non (or invalid?) signed OS with "half starting" another one first |
| 21:20.58 | avbox_ | tosca: Not really, I just had a look at a ubuntu cd. You can rececreate a cd/usb stick with "xorriso: xorriso -as mkisofs -isohybrid-mbr /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin -c boot.cat -b isolinux.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot -e boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -o $fiso $pathboot/isolinux" => $fiso is your devuan iso. |
| 21:22.55 | avbox_ | tosca: copy the boot/grub folder from the ubuntu cd, it can help to have a look at avmultimedia (sourceforge.net) |
| 21:28.07 | avbox | tocsa2: Secure boot is very relative, as I understand it, it does only secure the first boot partition, everything after you have to secure yourself. But I believe in that integrity can too be checked with a md5 |
| 21:28.58 | tocsa2 | @avbox: thanks, do you advise any tutorial or I just Google that? |
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| 21:34.41 | avbox | tosca: I did not use (and I too did not find) any tutorial, I just tried it with an ubuntu iso (had a look what there is happening) and was surprised how "easy" it was to replace the ubuntu files with my avmultimedia devuan. |
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| 21:45.31 | tocsa2 | avbox: thx |
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| 23:41.53 | msiism | just was pointed to the bug that causes some pdfs on jessie to go blank. it's a debian thing and up for fixing: http://bugs.debian.org/886798 |
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| 23:51.52 | jelly | they fixed the regression in stretch (#886733) but maybe forgot about oldstable |