| 00:00.36 | n4dir | not that sure what "apt-get check" does, same for "apt-get policy", but both might be worth a try to figure out if something is broken |
| 00:01.03 | n4dir | perhaps apt-cache policy ? oh jesus. |
| 00:05.31 | tocsa | chillfan: my /etc/devuan_version says ascii/ceres |
| 00:05.47 | chillfan | that should be ok then |
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| 00:07.26 | tocsa | chillfan `dpkg -l | grep deb` shows mixed deb9u1 and deb9u2 |
| 00:07.52 | chillfan | yeah the u2 is ok, they are both from debian 9 (stretch/ascii) |
| 00:08.02 | tocsa | The problem is that most of the scripts try to feed off of lsb_release -a output to determine distribution and version and it errors out |
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| 00:08.34 | tocsa | How can I "repair" `lsb_release -a` to show ascii? |
| 00:08.56 | tocsa | Or I just shouldn't worry? |
| 00:09.38 | n4dir | i never used lsb_release, so i would probably simply grep <yada> /etc/devuan_version (or what the name of the file is) |
| 00:09.49 | tocsa | My external mic and my touhpad doesn't work, so I thought tracking down this may point to some skeletons in my closet |
| 00:11.45 | tocsa | @n4dir These are scripts not authored by me, and they meant to work distribution agnostic way. A lot of scripted PPA additions work that way. They understand debian and ubuntu, and if my lsb_release would be OK they could potentially handle devuan as well |
| 00:12.12 | tocsa | Anyway, thanks for help |
| 00:12.40 | tocsa | Does the kernel matter in the output of `lsb_release` ? |
| 00:12.57 | tocsa | Maybe I'm looking at the wrong plpace |
| 00:13.03 | tocsa | Maybe I'm looking at the wrong place |
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| 01:12.06 | chillfan | hm if tocsa comes back.. he should try with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and check /etc/group (or setup alsa indexing) for sound |
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| 01:17.18 | furrywolf | back from work... and back to trying to make things work that should work out of the box. |
| 01:17.45 | furrywolf | no wifi on a fresh install __needs__ to be fixed. I know it's a debian issue too, but we should do better. :P |
| 01:18.34 | furrywolf | the installer obviously knows how to configure wpa_supplicant. this configuration should be copied to the target. |
| 01:19.41 | chillfan | I saw a Debian user had this issue the other day.. they had a choice between getting all of gnome or chrooting to set it up themselves |
| 01:20.15 | chillfan | so they could have network-manager without gnome |
| 01:21.31 | furrywolf | I don't mean we should install network-manager by default... just copy over wpa_supplicant's config so the box has working connectivity after install, and you can install more things. |
| 01:21.48 | furrywolf | as it is now, you get in a situation where you have no network, so you can't install networking stuff. |
| 01:22.13 | chillfan | yeah, I get ya.. the point being their network could have been setup differently if network-manager wasn't included |
| 01:22.21 | furrywolf | which is quite a catch-22, and entirely avoidable. heh. |
| 01:23.01 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.39 | furrywolf | the firmware may be (I didn't load any), but you have to manually set up wpa_supplicant. which is pretty much impossible to do without googling. :) |
| 01:23.49 | furrywolf | wpa_supplicant is one of the least-configuring-friendly tools out there. |
| 01:24.06 | fsmithred | if you installed the full desktop, wicd should be there |
| 01:24.30 | furrywolf | and if you select, say, "console productivity"? heh |
| 01:24.46 | chillfan | /etc/network/interfaces can take care of that, but I think if you use network-manager it will ignore that or conflict with it |
| 01:24.55 | fsmithred | check for setnet.sh |
| 01:25.02 | furrywolf | network-manager is shit. so is wicd, sadly. |
| 01:25.20 | furrywolf | wicd can't even do basic things like autodetect encryption type |
| 01:26.14 | chillfan | well maybe it is, my use case is limited.. anyway, I think if this is done it should avoid using interfaces if something that will install will interfere |
| 01:26.22 | furrywolf | no setnet.sh on the install. |
| 01:26.41 | chillfan | but otherwise interfaces is the easiest way |
| 01:26.50 | furrywolf | I know! we should have the init system manage wireless connections. :) |
| 01:27.15 | furrywolf | managing wifi is a perfect task for pid 1. |
| 01:27.20 | chillfan | lol |
| 01:28.21 | furrywolf | trying to use wicd, which was installed... no connection. bleh. |
| 01:28.56 | furrywolf | tries another encryption type |
| 01:29.04 | furrywolf | yay, wifi |
| 01:29.25 | furrywolf | what's the proper way to install unstable's linux-image-amd64? |
| 01:29.39 | furrywolf | (without, obviously, switching to unstable) |
| 01:29.54 | fsmithred | you should use the backports kernel if you need newer |
| 01:29.56 | chillfan | hm a backport I'd say |
| 01:30.00 | furrywolf | I've done it before by adding it later in sources.list, and found that was a step down the road to frankendebian. |
| 01:30.17 | chillfan | yeah that would be |
| 01:30.28 | furrywolf | I want to rule out, or at least try to, the lack of working X being a kernel bug... |
| 01:30.46 | furrywolf | from what I could find googling, it's either the kernel or udev config. |
| 01:31.53 | chillfan | what issue do you have? |
| 01:32.50 | furrywolf | ascii-backports does not have a newer kernel |
| 01:33.15 | chillfan | I read linux-image-4.14.0.0.* |
| 01:33.27 | furrywolf | chillfan: xorg radeon module can't load because /dev/dri/ doesn't exist. |
| 01:33.50 | furrywolf | hrmm, I just tried, and it's trying to upgrade to 4.9.0-6 instead of the current 4.9.0-4... |
| 01:34.09 | chillfan | ah ok, try without the meta package linux-image-amd64, I think latest would be linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 01:34.28 | chillfan | so install that along side current kernel and it should become default |
| 01:34.38 | furrywolf | looks like I might need to manually specify the one with bpo in the package name |
| 01:34.49 | chillfan | it will also upgrade the 4.9 kernel because of the spectre/meltdown fixes |
| 01:35.09 | fsmithred | apt-get -t ascii-backports install linux-image-4.14-whatever |
| 01:35.11 | furrywolf | weeeird. mouse on console? I guess I get that crap if I install the console-productivity task. |
| 01:35.31 | fsmithred | gpm, I think |
| 01:35.37 | chillfan | yeah I guess it contains GPM.. that's mostly for console users only |
| 01:35.54 | chillfan | so I wouldn't install it with xorg stuff, unless you want that |
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| 01:37.02 | furrywolf | download kernel now |
| 01:37.06 | Leander | I had to do just that yesterday: for some reason now you need to type the whole package name when install the kernel from ascii-backports (as opposed to how it worked in jessie-backports) |
| 01:37.23 | furrywolf | X is sorta functional, but stretching a low-res 4:3 vesa mode onto my high-res widescreen is exceptionally ugly. :) |
| 01:37.53 | fsmithred | is it new hardware? |
| 01:38.22 | furrywolf | "apparmor" got installed along with the new kernel, gives errors when installing the package. if it's from devuan, that should be fixed. |
| 01:38.29 | furrywolf | no |
| 01:39.22 | furrywolf | well, that helped! now I get an error about missing firmware. |
| 01:39.29 | furrywolf | which is much better than just-not-working. |
| 01:40.03 | chillfan | firmware-linux-nonfree is probably wanted for radeon |
| 01:40.50 | furrywolf | firmware-amd-graphics according to the error, which is downloading now |
| 01:41.52 | furrywolf | apparmor is now loading on boot, and giving errors relating to the non-existence of systemd |
| 01:41.56 | furrywolf | this package is broken. |
| 01:42.15 | furrywolf | yay, working X! |
| 01:42.42 | furrywolf | firmware-amd-graphics should be installed automagically. |
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| 01:43.33 | fsmithred | did you select expert install? It should have asked if you wanted nonfree stuff added |
| 01:43.44 | furrywolf | lol, xfce fails miserably if you change the dpi. |
| 01:43.44 | furrywolf | no, I didn't. |
| 01:44.20 | furrywolf | it renders all the letters bigger, but displays them in the same size box, for no reason at all (i.e. there's nothing in the way). |
| 01:45.25 | furrywolf | sigh. seems a LOT of stuff breaks if you change the dpi... |
| 01:45.40 | furrywolf | not a devuan issue, just a very sad comment on the suitability of linux for modern hardware. |
| 01:45.53 | furrywolf | I have a 151dpi monitor... |
| 01:46.31 | fsmithred | you need bigger desktop fonts? |
| 01:46.49 | furrywolf | it's 1920x1200 on a 15" panel. |
| 01:47.06 | furrywolf | I can read it, but it's not perfect for general use. |
| 01:47.29 | furrywolf | ... why the fuck is pulseaudio installed? |
| 01:47.37 | furrywolf | have we really not killed it yet? |
| 01:49.20 | furrywolf | I installed icewm, but the default login manager (slim) still only lets me select xfce. |
| 01:50.05 | fsmithred | F1 |
| 01:50.23 | furrywolf | yes. which lets me select... xfce. |
| 01:50.24 | furrywolf | and nothing else. |
| 01:50.34 | fsmithred | damn, it should toggle |
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| 01:50.58 | furrywolf | reboots again to double-check |
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| 01:51.37 | furrywolf | working now. hrmm. |
| 01:51.56 | furrywolf | oh god that's horrible wallpaper. |
| 01:51.57 | furrywolf | lol |
| 01:52.10 | fsmithred | blood and guts? |
| 01:52.23 | furrywolf | penguins in a circle. |
| 01:52.30 | fsmithred | ? |
| 01:52.36 | fsmithred | in slim? |
| 01:53.30 | furrywolf | icewm, with the default theme |
| 01:55.00 | furrywolf | removing apparmor. it's broken without systemd, it seems. |
| 02:00.24 | furrywolf | icewm has no icon for firefox |
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| 02:01.42 | furrywolf | also, firefox seems to entirely ignore X's dpi setting. that's pretty sad. |
| 02:01.49 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.50 | furrywolf | linux is obviously not ready for high-dpi displays |
| 02:02.15 | furrywolf | xrandr reports 144x144 now, like I set it to, and just about nothing changes. |
| 02:02.43 | furrywolf | my display isn't nearly as fine-pixeled as a retina or something. |
| 02:04.22 | MinceR | firefox entirely ignores common sense |
| 02:08.01 | furrywolf | so... linux is essentially unusable on retina displays. |
| 02:08.08 | furrywolf | that's pretty pathetic if we want to claim it's a usable desktop os. |
| 02:11.00 | specing | nobody claims its usable |
| 02:11.05 | specing | I claim its the best! |
| 02:11.37 | specing | (people not knowing the difference between an OS and a kernel aside) |
| 02:12.32 | furrywolf | no packages for either xmms or bitchx in ascii. :( |
| 02:14.25 | furrywolf | hehee... xterms are about 3" by 2". lol |
| 02:15.27 | furrywolf | 319 columns if you maximize them. :) |
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| 02:17.53 | fsmithred | xmms2 |
| 02:17.59 | MinceR | there's no such thing as a "retina display" |
| 02:18.11 | MinceR | retinas detect light, they do not display |
| 02:18.21 | furrywolf | xmms2 is shit. |
| 02:18.29 | fsmithred | audacious |
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| 02:18.42 | furrywolf | the icon problem I believe is icewm looking for "firefox", not "firefox-esr". |
| 02:18.44 | fsmithred | you can even make it looks like xmms |
| 02:19.27 | furrywolf | last I checked, you couldn't even make it do basic things like play music without failing. |
| 02:19.47 | furrywolf | have they fixed all the million or so bugs, and made it not a huge massive bloated waste that can't even do its basic functions? heh |
| 02:21.20 | fsmithred | I've been using audacious for a few years and never have trouble with it. It's pretty basic. |
| 02:21.33 | furrywolf | I mean xmms2. |
| 02:21.38 | fsmithred | never tried it |
| 02:21.59 | furrywolf | does audacious let you work with files directly, or does it insist you first add files to some form of internal library? |
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| 02:22.30 | furrywolf | does audacious let you work with files directly, or does it insist you first add files to some form of internal library? |
| 02:22.39 | fsmithred | files! |
| 02:22.52 | fsmithred | I usually just open from a file manager |
| 02:23.03 | fsmithred | but you can select files and add them to the current playlist |
| 02:24.04 | furrywolf | how do you hibernate on current ascii? pm-* seems gone. |
| 02:24.31 | fsmithred | not gone |
| 02:24.46 | furrywolf | then it's in a package I didn't get by default. heh. |
| 02:25.09 | fsmithred | pm-utils |
| 02:26.33 | furrywolf | already installed |
| 02:26.50 | furrywolf | hrmm. it seems to be a path issue. |
| 02:27.49 | fsmithred | usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
| 02:28.33 | furrywolf | yeah, I found it, but hitting pm<tab><tab> in bash doesn't list it. |
| 02:28.44 | fsmithred | is bash-completion installed? |
| 02:28.46 | furrywolf | just pm-is-supported. |
| 02:28.53 | furrywolf | and pmap, whatever that is. |
| 02:29.26 | fsmithred | because /usr/sbin isn't in user's path, I guess |
| 02:29.50 | MinceR | audacious is one of the few sane audio players that don't insist on this media library insanity |
| 02:30.27 | MinceR | i wish i could find a TUI audio player that works that way and can actually play my most common files |
| 02:30.40 | fsmithred | moc? |
| 02:30.53 | furrywolf | TUI? |
| 02:31.06 | fsmithred | yes |
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| 02:31.26 | fsmithred | run 'mocp' |
| 02:31.32 | specing | MinceR: mpv? |
| 02:31.45 | MinceR | the m3u i tested mocp with made it freeze immediately |
| 02:31.47 | furrywolf | why does audacions, upon installing, have items like "open files" vs "add files", and "search library"? I do not want any kind of library. heh. |
| 02:31.51 | MinceR | also, there was no mp4/m4a support |
| 02:32.10 | MinceR | does mpv do playlists with shuffle? |
| 02:32.23 | furrywolf | hrmm, which is less-painfully-slow, usb2 or 802.11g? probably usb2... |
| 02:32.28 | MinceR | furrywolf: TUI is Text User Interface |
| 02:32.50 | fsmithred | open files, open url, |
| 02:32.51 | furrywolf | ah. never heard that before. whatever happened to "console"? heh |
| 02:33.11 | furrywolf | there is no quick way to get my music between these two boxes. heh. |
| 02:33.22 | MinceR | console could also be a command line utility or one that relies on a command line of its own |
| 02:33.24 | fsmithred | sshfs |
| 02:33.45 | MinceR | (though technically x also runs on a virtual console :> ) |
| 02:33.49 | furrywolf | fsmithred: <furrywolf> hrmm, which is less-painfully-slow, usb2 or 802.11g? probably usb2... |
| 02:34.03 | furrywolf | sshfs would be the 802.11g option. :P |
| 02:35.29 | furrywolf | grrrr. pulse needs to fucking die. |
| 02:35.50 | furrywolf | why the fuck is "working sound" not a default setting? |
| 02:36.47 | furrywolf | I have two audio output devices. this IS NOT UNUSUAL. |
| 02:36.55 | furrywolf | pulse is "it works for 75% of people, so it's good" crap. |
| 02:37.12 | fsmithred | remove it |
| 02:38.06 | MinceR | because poettering decided that working sound is not "modern" |
| 02:39.41 | furrywolf | I need to kill grub's 5-second timeout... it's longer than the entire rest of the boot, including post, combined. |
| 02:39.59 | furrywolf | grrrrr. slim doesn't remember your session? |
| 02:40.07 | furrywolf | you have to f1 every boot? |
| 02:42.00 | furrywolf | udevd just segfaulted on boot |
| 02:42.12 | furrywolf | ... followed by a kernel panic. |
| 02:43.50 | furrywolf | see, THIS is why I fucking never upgrade anything. |
| 02:44.00 | furrywolf | supposedly easy things always end up taking a fucking week. |
| 02:46.28 | fsmithred | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 02:49.36 | furrywolf | why does it seem that with every new version, _less_ just works? :( |
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| 02:58.34 | furrywolf | update-alternatives didn't help. slim fucking STILL starts xfce every time. |
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| 02:59.35 | furrywolf | labels slim as shit and looks for a replacement |
| 03:00.27 | furrywolf | update-alternatives does indeed show icewm as the default still. |
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| 03:08.40 | furrywolf | googling suggests slim does, indeed, lack the utterly basic functionality of remembering which session you last used. |
| 03:08.48 | furrywolf | anything this shit should not be default. |
| 03:09.26 | gnarface | gave up on default setups a long, long time ago |
| 03:10.00 | fsmithred | lightdm or lxdm |
| 03:11.46 | furrywolf | installing lightdm |
| 03:11.53 | furrywolf | lxdm wants way too many dependencies |
| 03:13.10 | furrywolf | yay, lightdm works. |
| 03:13.13 | furrywolf | slim does not work. |
| 03:16.40 | furrywolf | alsamixergui does not show up in menus when installed |
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| 03:24.19 | fluffywolf | good thing bitchx still compiles. why do we not have a package of it? :) |
| 03:30.04 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.11 | fsmithred | maybe you need to restart icewm to get it to show up in the debian menu |
| 03:36.53 | fsmithred | unless you want to edit the icewm menu file' |
| 03:37.36 | gnarface | shouldn't there be a button to regerate the menus? |
| 03:37.42 | gnarface | if not i'd try `dpkg-reconfigure menu` then relog |
| 03:38.00 | gnarface | blackbox and enlightenment both have a menu option to rebuild the menus |
| 03:38.27 | gnarface | new package installations are supposed to call that from the postinst hook but they don't always remember i guess |
| 03:38.33 | fluffywolf | looks like icewm is trying to get its menus from two different places |
| 03:38.52 | fsmithred | yes, it has its own menu, and it uses the debian menu |
| 03:38.56 | gnarface | the "menu" package is the debianized one |
| 03:39.20 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.00 | fluffywolf | (it doesn't have a large percentage of things it should have) |
| 03:41.22 | fluffywolf | also, xfce4-terminal fails at selecting if you select text starting from the leftmost pixel. |
| 03:41.25 | fluffywolf | seriously. |
| 03:41.47 | fluffywolf | I have to intentionally mouse over one pixel to select a line. |
| 03:42.08 | fluffywolf | how the fuck is it 2018 and we can't handle selecting text in a terminal window properly? |
| 03:42.28 | gnarface | i dunno i use urxvt :) |
| 03:43.06 | fsmithred | I use xfce terminal, and I don't have a problem selcting text |
| 03:43.28 | fluffywolf | fsmithred: maximize the window. mouse to the very left of the screen. click. drag right. |
| 03:43.49 | fsmithred | drag? |
| 03:44.01 | fsmithred | oh, you mean to highlight |
| 03:44.03 | fluffywolf | move the mouse while holding the button down |
| 03:44.04 | fluffywolf | yes |
| 03:44.15 | gnarface | i've seriously though over the years seen a lot of people put a lot of credence in a lot of different utterly pathetic attempts at improving upon xterm but urxvt (aka. rxvt-unicode-256color) is so far the only one that is even acceptable and also has unicode support |
| 03:44.30 | fsmithred | yeah, I do it every day |
| 03:44.34 | fluffywolf | in xfce4-terminal, nothing happens! but if you move over 1px and try again, it works fine. |
| 03:44.40 | fsmithred | still works with window maximized |
| 03:44.52 | fluffywolf | great, it's a heisenbug. |
| 03:45.24 | gnarface | fluffywolf: maybe you have some weird settings changing the margin settings? |
| 03:45.34 | gnarface | something in ~/.Xsettings or something like that |
| 03:45.35 | fsmithred | too many pixels |
| 03:45.53 | gnarface | or a super broken set of font glyphs, but you'd have to have tried hard to switch the default... |
| 03:45.56 | fluffywolf | I haven't changed ANY settings. |
| 03:46.00 | fluffywolf | brb |
| 03:46.08 | gnarface | hmmm. upgrade from an older system perhaps...? |
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| 03:46.31 | fluffywolf | in xterm, I can select text from the left of the screen. :P |
| 03:46.33 | gnarface | upgrade from an older system, fluffywolf? |
| 03:46.33 | fsmithred | fluffywolf, is it a new install or upgrade? |
| 03:46.43 | fluffywolf | fresh ascii install, this morning. |
| 03:47.13 | gnarface | not even a copied home directory? there's always the possibility some ~/.* file contained some old vestigial settings that suddenly got paid attention to again (maybe in error) |
| 03:47.29 | fluffywolf | fresh. install. |
| 03:47.55 | fluffywolf | on a brand new hard drive. |
| 03:49.26 | MinceR | fluffywolf: do other libvte terminal emulators have the same issue? |
| 03:49.36 | MinceR | s/vte/vte-based/ |
| 03:50.17 | fluffywolf | I don't know what that is. |
| 03:50.19 | fluffywolf | xterm works great. |
| 03:51.43 | fluffywolf | googling isn't telling me where /etc/X11/icewm/programs comes from... is it packaged or generated? |
| 03:52.48 | gnarface | fluffywolf: if it shows up in 'dpkg -S [filename]' it's packaged |
| 03:53.47 | fluffywolf | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/X11/icewm/programs |
| 03:55.29 | fluffywolf | it's missing at least half the stuff that should be in it, and I can't even figure out what's making it. |
| 03:57.42 | fsmithred | I don't have that file on a fresh install of icewm |
| 03:57.52 | fsmithred | but I do have /usr/share/icewm/programs |
| 03:58.04 | fsmithred | most of it is commented out. No, all of it. |
| 03:58.34 | fluffywolf | the generated one is /etc/X11/icewm/programs, /usr/share is examples/templates |
| 03:58.59 | fsmithred | my /etc/X11/icewm is empty |
| 04:00.22 | fluffywolf | try installing something that will update-menus? |
| 04:00.55 | fluffywolf | "The programs file should be automatically generated by wmconfig (Redhat), menu (Debian) or an equivalent program" |
| 04:02.06 | gnarface | fluffywolf: did you try running `dpkg-reconfigure menu` ? |
| 04:02.22 | gnarface | that's what it means by "menu (Debian)" |
| 04:02.33 | fluffywolf | I think the problem is that alsamixergui is not putting anything in /usr/share/menu |
| 04:02.40 | fluffywolf | it used to. |
| 04:03.47 | gnarface | so i should interperet that response as "no, and i'm not even interested in finding out if that was the right option despite the instructions also mentioning it?" |
| 04:04.20 | fluffywolf | it's "no, I've figured out that running that can't help because the data source it's going to use isn't there". |
| 04:04.58 | fluffywolf | runs it anyway, and it helps not |
| 04:05.44 | gnarface | the real question i think is how did you get /etc/X11/icewm/programs in the first place |
| 04:06.20 | fluffywolf | update-menus creates it |
| 04:06.50 | gnarface | hmmm, but that belongs to the menu package |
| 04:06.55 | fluffywolf | using data from /usr/share/menu. however, alsamixergui in ascii lacks /usr/share/menu/alsamixergui, while alsamixergui in jessie has it. |
| 04:08.09 | fluffywolf | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/armhf/alsamixergui/filelist vs https://packages.debian.org/stretch/armhf/alsamixergui/filelist |
| 04:08.16 | fluffywolf | whoops, wrong arch. same problem, though. |
| 04:08.25 | fluffywolf | debian removed the menu file between releases |
| 04:08.34 | fluffywolf | and thus alsamixergui no longer shows up in menus |
| 04:08.57 | fsmithred | bed time here. good luck. |
| 04:09.38 | fluffywolf | looks like debian has been trying to kill menu in general, actually. |
| 04:10.06 | gnarface | sure why not, because that's something systemd could do too |
| 04:10.47 | fluffywolf | sadly, while you mean that as a joke, I think it's what they're doing! |
| 04:11.42 | fluffywolf | debian's menus are being killed, and all things must now be "Freedesktop Desktop Entry |
| 04:11.48 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.04 | fluffywolf | and if you want to use software that doesn't use it... sod off. |
| 04:12.50 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.50 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.50 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.51 | fluffywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.25 | gnarface | yikes |
| 04:14.33 | fluffywolf | so.... yeah. I can't launch alsamixergui because debian is now using systemd-menus. :P |
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| 04:20.55 | fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime here too. |
| 04:21.21 | fluffywolf | and once again, freedesktop.org crap is why something I have doesn't work. |
| 04:21.32 | fluffywolf | sound started working when I removed pulse. heh. |
| 04:21.43 | fluffywolf | unfortunately, fixing menus is going to be a lot harder. |
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| 07:50.55 | koris | hmmm I read online that btrfs doesn't use a journal but in devuan's installer it says it is "journaling" or so I seem to recall. anyone know which way is right? |
| 07:52.09 | gnarface | it might be one of those hair-splitting redefinitions of the term |
| 07:52.28 | gnarface | like the WINE people claiming it's not an emulator because they consider it to be a fundamentally new type of emulator |
| 07:54.26 | gnarface | whereas debian would classify it as a journaling filesystem because it provides similar features as far as the end-user would be concerned |
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| 07:56.42 | gnarface | the filesystem openbsd uses also claims not to be a "journaling" filesystem but their documentation is careful to point out that they've implemented most of the same types of data protection mechanisms in other ways |
| 07:57.16 | gnarface | and i think i remember that it actually inferred it had been doing so for longer than this "journaling" thing had been a fad |
| 07:58.04 | gnarface | so i know there is precedent for it |
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| 08:02.07 | koris | hm.... well perhaps what I should really ask is what filesystem should I use on an SSD. I heard using a journaling one on it is bad |
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| 08:05.58 | aitor | g'morning devuaners |
| 08:10.55 | aitor | anaybody gave a try to webpy (a project started by Aaron Swartz)? |
| 08:10.56 | aitor | http://webpy.org/ |
| 08:12.04 | aitor | i'm tempted to try webpy or django |
| 08:15.53 | aitor | the link to github at the bottom of the website is broken |
| 08:17.53 | aitor | oh, sorry! the emphasis is shifting from my main issue: amprolla3 |
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| 09:22.14 | nacelle | I use webpy |
| 09:22.18 | nacelle | shrugs |
| 09:22.33 | nacelle | django is a bit more widely known |
| 09:22.56 | nacelle | but if theres one are of python thats a bit oversaturated.. its web frameworks |
| 09:24.18 | Humpelstilzchen | aitor: How about Ruby on Rails? |
| 09:26.23 | aitor | ruby on rails was used by hellekin in devuan discourse, unless i am mistaken |
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| 09:28.17 | Humpelstilzchen | wikipedia says discourse is written in RoR & js |
| 09:30.14 | aitor | yes |
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| 10:31.48 | d9867eb | hi, i mistakenly uninstalled postgresql database without purging. I have a backup but it is from a while back. Would it be possible get my data back? |
| 10:46.47 | KatolaZ | d9867eb: I don't think databases are removed when you remove postgresql... |
| 10:48.53 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: do i am fine then? |
| 10:50.06 | KatolaZ | who knows? |
| 10:50.55 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: I have command that need to run be ran and restarted each day. What would be the best way to do that? |
| 10:51.28 | KatolaZ | man cron |
| 10:52.39 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: cron is just for running command on automated basis, right? so how do I start the command? |
| 10:53.00 | KatolaZ | d9867eb: uh? |
| 10:53.05 | KatolaZ | what do you need to do? |
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| 10:55.41 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: before migrating to devuan I ran a testing environment for my ownmade web software on testing server. I used a systemd service to start the web app and a systemd timer to restart it daily. |
| 10:56.43 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: the command that need to run is: cd projectdir && bundle exec passenger start |
| 10:56.48 | gnarface | that really makes me sad |
| 10:57.29 | d9867eb | it needs to restarted because i make changes in the code |
| 10:57.30 | KatolaZ | d9867eb: man cron |
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| 10:57.34 | d9867eb | ok |
| 10:57.40 | d9867eb | gnarface: why? |
| 10:57.57 | KatolaZ | you don't need a systemd-unit for something that can be done by cron |
| 10:58.15 | KatolaZ | that is what makes gnarface sad, probably |
| 10:58.20 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: ok |
| 10:59.17 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: well, people have used systemd units for worse things. and i am not using it anymore. |
| 10:59.27 | speedio | i just tried to update devuan, and it failed with the following error "update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header" and "insserv: script eudev: service udev already provided!" how can i fix this? |
| 10:59.59 | d9867eb | speedio: the latter is not a problem |
| 11:00.20 | KatolaZ | speedio: it's known |
| 11:00.30 | KatolaZ | sorry for that |
| 11:00.32 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 11:00.59 | speedio | ok, how can it be solved? |
| 11:01.47 | d9867eb | speedio: are you on ascii or jessie? |
| 11:01.47 | KatolaZ | ttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180323.184528.db170f27.en.html <- speedio |
| 11:01.56 | KatolaZ | that's a jessie error |
| 11:02.00 | KatolaZ | and is due to eudev |
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| 11:02.59 | speedio | ascii |
| 11:03.11 | d9867eb | speedio: me too |
| 11:03.49 | KatolaZ | speedio: ^^^ |
| 11:03.55 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 11:04.02 | KatolaZ | seems like the paste didn't work |
| 11:04.09 | KatolaZ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180323.184528.db170f27.en.html <- speedio |
| 11:07.03 | speedio | it followed the steps in the link, looks like it worked |
| 11:07.08 | speedio | thank you |
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| 11:08.42 | aitor | hi again |
| 11:08.52 | aitor | Katolaz? |
| 11:09.49 | aitor | are you still there, KatolaZ? |
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| 11:10.20 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: |
| 11:10.46 | KatolaZ | aitor: ? |
| 11:10.58 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: bye |
| 11:11.01 | d9867eb | thanks |
| 11:11.05 | aitor | hi, KatolaZ |
| 11:11.16 | KatolaZ | hi aitor |
| 11:11.25 | aitor | amprolla3 is working in packages.gnuinos.org |
| 11:11.55 | aitor | test it with: |
| 11:11.58 | aitor | deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/merged/ jessie main |
| 11:13.17 | aitor | i only added the base-files_8+gnuinos1 package for now, but this is my firts little step |
| 11:15.44 | aitor | first* |
| 11:28.49 | aitor | need to go, bye :) |
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| 18:48.26 | d9867eb | hi, I would like to run Nextcloud client on my Devuan installation. Is that possible? |
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| 20:37.28 | minnesotags | d987eb, yes. you can run OwnCloud or NextCloud on devuan. I have for years. |
| 20:40.10 | d9867eb | also, i dont seem to get plex to work. what should i do? |
| 20:42.45 | d9867eb | minnesotags, do you use the ppa? |
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| 20:57.01 | merzbow | hey, is there 'libvert' somewhere in the ascii repos? |
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| 21:08.51 | fsmithred | merzbow, you probably want libvirt0 (note the spelling) |
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| 21:23.21 | d9867eb | fsmithred, would it be possible to run plex on devuan? |
| 21:23.38 | d9867eb | or emby |
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| 21:36.37 | fsmithred | d9867eb, I don't have any idea what those things are |
| 21:37.05 | d9867eb | fsmithred, self hosted movie streaming |
| 21:37.28 | fsmithred | do they run on debian, and do they require systemd? |
| 21:38.08 | d9867eb | they run on debian. i am unsure on if they require systemd |
| 21:38.52 | d9867eb | it is not in their repos but I need to download debs from site |
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| 21:50.33 | aitor | hi |
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| 21:59.53 | aitor | time to dinner, be back later |
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| 23:44.12 | DPA | I just tried to debootstrap something on my system, but I had to find out that I somehow got version 1.0.92~bpo9+1 from ascii-backports from pkgmaster. That's the debian version instead of the devuan one. Someone should fix that. Also, maybe packages replacing the devuan ones like this should be prevented in the future. |
| 23:54.11 | fsmithred | DPA, did you somehow enable backports in your debootstrap install? |