| 00:00.39 | NewGnuGuy | Xenguy: paste the output of `lspci -vmmnn` into the last search box on https://h-node.org/search/form/ |
| 00:00.57 | Xenguy | rrq: hrm, no output |
| 00:01.05 | NewGnuGuy | It will parse it for you, really handy |
| 00:01.33 | Xenguy | NewGnuGuy: Only possible if I can do that with a text browser |
| 00:01.54 | Xenguy | I am trapped at the terminal currently on that new laptop install |
| 00:02.08 | Xenguy | I'll see if I can do that |
| 00:02.52 | NewGnuGuy | It should work in lynx. You probably need tmux to handle the copy/pasting. |
| 00:06.06 | NewGnuGuy | hmm, I'm trying to open my own link in lynx and am not having success :-/ |
| 00:07.38 | Xenguy | Technical difficulties here currently, but I will keep trying |
| 00:09.54 | NewGnuGuy | Xenguy: What's the make/model of the laptop? |
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| 00:16.43 | Xenguy | NewGnuGuy: Acer Aspire E 15 Start |
| 00:17.34 | Xenguy | lspci output: https://transfer.sh/KrVki/lspci.txt |
| 00:21.03 | NewGnuGuy | R |
| 00:21.45 | NewGnuGuy | From https://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/1508/Aspire-E15/1/1/undef/undef/undef/undef/compatibility/undef/undef/Aspire%20E : |
| 00:21.50 | NewGnuGuy | By default the trackpad doesn't work at all, but you can fix this by entering the BIOS (holding F2 at startup) and changing the Trackpad setting from Advanced to Basic under the Main tab. |
| 00:22.46 | Xenguy | Hrm, I salute your SearchFu |
| 00:22.52 | NewGnuGuy | R was just accidental press of the enter key |
| 00:23.14 | NewGnuGuy | I haz dem skillz |
| 00:23.17 | Xenguy | OK, well this looks promising, so will try that straight away |
| 00:23.37 | Xenguy | Back shortly |
| 00:31.35 | Xenguy | NewGnuGuy: Contratulations, and good catch. Trackpad is work now : -) |
| 00:31.44 | Xenguy | *working |
| 00:32.01 | NewGnuGuy | :-D |
| 00:33.08 | Xenguy | Thanks again everyone for your help. I'm off to play with this crappy little laptop, and if all is well, I will return it to its rightful owner, and in better shape than it was before (W8.1 I believe) |
| 00:33.50 | Xenguy | World domination, one PC at a time 8) |
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| 11:49.28 | aslan8649 | to understand devuan correct. Do I understand correctly that not all of debian was forked? That packages actually hosted by debian are being used? |
| 11:51.44 | gnarface | aslan8649: that is correct for the majority of the packages, actually |
| 11:51.53 | aslan8649 | what is the deciding factor in whether a package is forked or not? |
| 11:52.08 | gnarface | i believe the standing criteria is whether it works without systemd or not |
| 11:53.58 | aslan8649 | ah that does change some things for me. |
| 11:57.10 | gnarface | the overlay mechanism is called amprolla, you can look it up |
| 11:57.55 | gnarface | (also amprolla2 and amprolla3 i guess) |
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| 12:38.33 | msiism | i'm using fpm2 as my password manager, but the debian package has been dropped as of strech, meaning it won't be in devuan ascii. however, i intend to keep it, since it is actually maintained upstream and there may be a deb package again in the future. now, my question is: will apt try to remove that package when i upgrade from jessie to ascii? |
| 12:40.08 | drawkula | if it just vanished, it will stay. |
| 12:40.16 | drawkula | o:-) |
| 12:40.28 | msiism | drawkula: ok. good. |
| 12:40.46 | drawkula | as long as no package updates it or conflicts with it it will survive. |
| 12:40.57 | drawkula | you just need to have a look at library updates |
| 12:41.23 | drawkula | if that package depends on some old libraries, interpreters or such, it may block their updates |
| 12:41.41 | msiism | ok, i see. |
| 12:42.06 | drawkula | shared libs blues... |
| 12:42.27 | drawkula | but all stuff made static is not an answer too |
| 12:42.39 | msiism | btw, i've talked to the developer via email and he is conidering not to move the UI from gtk2 to gtk3, but maybe create qt port instead. |
| 12:43.06 | drawkula | why not the git based CLI password manager? |
| 12:43.22 | gnarface | msiism: if you just apt-get upgrade, it blocks conflicting packages, but if you do dist-upgrade, be careful to check the "removes" field... |
| 12:43.36 | msiism | gnarface: ok. will do. |
| 12:43.57 | msiism | drawkula: why would it have to be git-based? |
| 12:44.13 | drawkula | easy for synchronisation between systems |
| 12:44.40 | drawkula | I forgot its name... ;-( |
| 12:44.44 | msiism | well, i can just rsync my .fpm folder. |
| 12:44.50 | drawkula | "meine beine sind grau..." |
| 12:45.20 | msiism | drawkula: seems you're made of concrete. |
| 12:46.26 | drawkula | maybe it wasnt a *.deb |
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| 12:47.23 | drawkula | https://www.passwordstore.org/ |
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| 12:48.00 | drawkula | if I would use a password manager, I'd try that one first |
| 12:48.20 | drawkula | it is unixy |
| 12:48.59 | msiism | drawkula: i remember i've read that. but fpm2 is not broken, so i so no need to fix my setup. (unless anyone would give me convincing reasons.) |
| 12:49.19 | drawkula | I dont know it... |
| 12:49.47 | msiism | drawkula: https://als.regnet.cz/fpm2/ |
| 12:50.56 | drawkula | can you decode your passwords even when fpm is broken? |
| 12:51.23 | msiism | drawkula: i don't know. |
| 12:51.38 | drawkula | that'd be my only question about it |
| 12:52.16 | msiism | unless the password file itself is not broken, i guess it should be possible. |
| 12:52.51 | drawkula | I keep my passwordseeds in my mail's draft folder |
| 12:52.53 | drawkula | :-) |
| 12:53.15 | drawkula | but the seeds are worthless without the part that is only stored in my brain |
| 12:53.53 | drawkula | I need to convert the seeds to the password with a not written down algorithm |
| 12:54.13 | drawkula | but someday I'll switch to a normal password manager |
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| 12:55.01 | msiism | drawkula: sounds complicated. also, i wouldn't trust my brain so much. |
| 12:56.46 | drawkula | paswords in crypted files mirrored in git(lab) and on several systems... maybe that's not too bad... |
| 12:56.57 | drawkula | and on my smallest server! |
| 12:57.54 | drawkula | whoaaa.... sdf is sloooow today |
| 13:02.02 | drawkula | http://utanapischti.sdfeu.org/photos/20160409%20-%20OpenWrt%20Server/ |
| 13:02.30 | drawkula | I thought about letting it serve NFS... maybe it will be a nice passwordstore too |
| 13:02.32 | drawkula | .-) |
| 13:03.04 | drawkula | but 1st I need a 2nd 64G µSD for the 2nd one |
| 13:03.36 | drawkula | Astrophysikerinnen-Zwillinge-Gesetz: Alles wichtige muà mindestens doppelt vorhanden sein |
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| 15:21.46 | msiism | is anyone running urxvt on devuan ascii? |
| 15:22.18 | gnarface | yes |
| 15:23.52 | msiism | gnarface: could you give me the name of the process as displayed by 'ps'? |
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| 15:24.36 | gnarface | it's not /usr/bin/urxvt for you, msiism? |
| 15:26.02 | msiism | gnarface: no, it's "4793 tty2 00:00:00 x-terminal-emul", which is quite odd (i used 'ps -p 4793' to get this) |
| 15:26.10 | gnarface | well that's weird |
| 15:26.17 | gnarface | there are several aliases to it |
| 15:26.27 | gnarface | perhaps your WM is launching one of them instead? |
| 15:27.34 | msiism | gnarface: ok, i see, the menu entry says execute "x-terminal-emulator". |
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| 15:28.01 | msiism | gnarface: but why does this affect the process name? |
| 15:28.11 | msiism | gnarface: it still executes urxvt in effect. |
| 15:29.22 | msiism | gnarface: but if i run urxvt directly, the process name is correct. |
| 15:30.10 | gnarface | oh because it's a symlink not an alias actually |
| 15:31.01 | msiism | gnarface: ok, i see. so, i can't use the alternatives system, if i would want a script to work with the correct command name. |
| 15:31.29 | aslan8649 | who are the leaders of devuan? |
| 15:31.50 | n4dir | msiism: or don't start it from the menu |
| 15:31.51 | msiism | aslan8649: reason and patience. |
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| 15:32.47 | aslan8649 | msiism, I am much closer to the grave than the cradle and I am planning out bequest. hence my reason for asking. |
| 15:34.41 | msiism | aslan8649: no offense intended. i think it depends on what you want to know or do. |
| 15:36.09 | msiism | aslan8649: i think the leaders are definitely in this channel. |
| 15:36.23 | n4dir | aslan8649: probably that is what you are looking for: https://devuan.org/os/team/ |
| 15:37.29 | msiism | n4dir: well, it's not actually about starting the temrinal emulator, but about giving the name of the running process(es) to a bash script. |
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| 15:39.03 | golinux | aslan8649: You could send an email to freedom@devuan.org which is the official contact address |
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| 15:40.19 | aslan8649 | msiism, my adult children are provided for. they each have a home/house without any mortgage. they each have a college education with student loans. they do not need anymore after I am dead and buried. I am dividing up the remainder in bequests to organizations I feel are important to my interests. |
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| 15:40.37 | fsmithred | msiism, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:40.39 | golinux | You might also want to look at this page: https://devuan.org/os/donate |
| 15:40.40 | msiism | n4dir: namely a bash script that would conditionally ignore terminal emulator windows as open windows on exit. |
| 15:41.34 | fsmithred | is the script closing other windows? |
| 15:41.35 | msiism | aslan8649: it will be very much appreciated, i guess. |
| 15:41.36 | aslan8649 | msiism, debian used to be until they decided on systemd. |
| 15:41.39 | golinux | aslan8649: I have looked into that myself. If you are in the US, getting money to EU is not so easy. |
| 15:42.18 | n4dir | try harder. I sure could make use of a bit of money, golinux :-) |
| 15:42.27 | aslan8649 | golinux, I use to live in Austria and England. I still have investments there. |
| 15:42.49 | msiism | fsmithred: no, it's actually displaying a warning dialog about remaining open windows not in a specified ignore list, so openbox won't just exit with a whole lot of open windows still in place. |
| 15:42.52 | n4dir | msiism: and you can't just grep for urxvt *and* x-terminal-emulator? |
| 15:43.07 | golinux | There was discussion of setting up a non-profit in the US to handle donations but it went nowhere |
| 15:43.40 | msiism | n4dir: the ignore lis is given as a command line argument. |
| 15:43.58 | golinux | You could set up a trust but would probably need to have an org to handle it. |
| 15:44.37 | msiism | n4dir: but, ok. it's a minor problem. who would want to have temrinal emulator windows ignored when looking for remaining open windows? this is more for panels and run dialog and similar stuff. |
| 15:44.42 | n4dir | msiism: i still think you could do that with a bit of variable setting at the top of the script, but i am tired and on my way out. |
| 15:44.42 | fsmithred | can't you just add all possible process names to the list? |
| 15:45.37 | fsmithred | all the ones you might want to ignore, I mean |
| 15:46.30 | msiism | fsmithred: yes, but that would mean hard-coding it into the script, which i want to avoid. |
| 15:46.35 | golinux | aslan8649: That would be easier within EU. Could probably be arranged through those holding your investments. |
| 15:46.50 | gnarface | msiism: i note that my /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is a symlink to /usr/bin/lxterm, which is a wrapper script for one of 3 other terminal emulators, none of which show up as either "lxterm" or "x-terminal-emulator" in the output of ps, so you could probably make it whatever you want, if you were determined |
| 15:47.28 | gnarface | (and willing to symlink to a wrapper script - but i don't know what the point of alternatives would be in the first place then) |
| 15:47.58 | msiism | gnarface: mine points to /usr/bin/urxvt. |
| 15:48.12 | gnarface | well, obviously you can change what it points to as well |
| 15:48.22 | gnarface | it just defaults to whatever was installed first |
| 15:50.26 | msiism | gnarface: i think i'll leave it like it is and write a small peice of documentation, telling the use to first make sure what the process names of the things that shall be ignored really are. |
| 15:54.31 | macondo123 | gnarface: are you using a wm? |
| 15:55.17 | gnarface | macondo123: yea but i put the actual urxvt icon on the toolbar directly, i'm not using the alternatives system |
| 15:55.41 | macondo123 | gnarface: what wm? |
| 15:55.43 | gnarface | not for that part, anyway |
| 15:55.45 | gnarface | i'm using e17 |
| 15:55.54 | gnarface | i think it was recently pulled from ceres though |
| 15:56.01 | gnarface | or maybe just needs a rebuild |
| 15:57.28 | macondo123 | the window manager should launch the terminal you want with keybi;ndins or menu after you configure it - I don't use e17 |
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| 16:02.22 | gnarface | well i'm sure the e17 menu has all the same auto-generated links anything else using the debian menu package has |
| 16:03.03 | gnarface | i just don't use it much, because i've customized the toolbar sufficiently |
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| 22:13.19 | NewGnuGuy | So, crazy thought: Debian-style repositories typically serve packages over HTTP. Is there any reason why one couldn't instead serve packages over the Gopher protocol? |
| 22:16.06 | KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: in theory is possible |
| 22:18.28 | NewGnuGuy | Found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=880649 Yes it's a thing! I really want to try this now for no real reason other than "because I can". :-D |
| 22:20.08 | KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: but that's only in devscripts |
| 22:20.10 | KatolaZ | not in apt |
| 22:20.44 | NewGnuGuy | hmm :-/ |
| 22:20.58 | KatolaZ | or at least, the bug and patch are for devscripts |
| 22:21.21 | KatolaZ | in fact one of the devs mentions curl vs wget |
| 22:21.28 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 22:21.29 | KatolaZ | o/ |
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| 22:31.39 | Criggie | Gutted about synergy not working |
| 22:31.57 | Criggie | debian's openssl1.0.1 != openssl1.0.2 in devuan |
| 22:32.10 | Criggie | so the deb won't install due to dependencies. |
| 22:44.13 | fsmithred | Criggie, 1.0.2 is in jessie-backports. The one in jessie is the same in debian and devuan. |
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