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09:06.35KnoFhi
09:06.50KnoFany idea when devuan is going to get binutils 2.2.6?
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09:07.02KnoFor 2.26
09:08.10gnarface2.28 should be in ascii already
09:08.18KnoFoh
09:08.18gnarfacei'm seeing 2.30 in ceres
09:08.38KnoFim using jessie but i have both the repositories for ascii and ceres aswell
09:08.57KnoF-t ascii or -t ceres with apt when upgrading?
09:09.08gnarfacei've never tried it that way
09:09.10gnarfaceit might work
09:09.23KnoFok, thanks
09:09.27KnoFcheers
09:10.02KnoFone more thing, im using the official wine repository for wine
09:10.09KnoFneed to install wine32
09:10.29gnarfaceand you're on amd64?
09:10.33KnoFyes
09:10.35gnarfaceyou probably need to enable multiarch
09:10.42gnarfacethen the i386 packages will appear
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09:10.53gnarface(you'll be able to see them in the repos)
09:10.56KnoFcan anyone on ceres or ascii try apt-get install wine32
09:11.08KnoFjust to see if there are any dependancies that are unmet
09:11.29gnarfaceyou probably don't want to just install that one
09:11.42gnarfaceyou probably want to install the "wine" "wine-development" or "wine-staging" metapackage
09:11.54KnoFoh, thank you again
09:11.56KnoFgoing to try
09:11.58gnarfacethat will get the 32-bit and 64-bit stuff at once
09:12.01KnoFbrb reboot
09:12.06gnarfacebut do make sure you enable multiarch first
09:12.10gnarface*and* re-run apt-get update
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09:17.31KnoFsorry for leaving so abruptly :)
09:17.37KnoFand thank you again for the information
09:19.29KnoFThe following packages have unmet dependencies:  wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 3.0-1) but it is not going to be installed
09:19.33KnoFim getting this
09:22.08KnoFactually  wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 but it is not going to be installed                Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 but it is not going to be installed                Recommends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed
09:22.18KnoFany way i can install an older version
09:22.34KnoFthe previous line i pasted was with the debian repositories aswell
09:22.40KnoFthis one is only devuans
09:22.50KnoFthanks
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09:45.37KnoFanyone?
09:46.50KnoFi tried winehq-devel:i386, winehq-staging:i386, winehq-stable:i386 and wine32
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09:53.31WalexKnoF: have you enabled multiarch? Added the i386 arch?
09:54.54KnoFyeah
09:55.06KnoFdpkg -i add-architecture i386 you mean
09:55.14KnoFnot sure if that -i
09:55.19KnoFis there :)
09:55.58WalexKnoF: also verify with 'apt-cache policy wine' etc.
09:56.01KnoFdpkg --add-architecture i386
09:56.43KnoFroot@Loki:/home/andraz# apt-cache policy wine wine:   Installed: 1.6.2-20   Candidate: 1.6.2-20   Version table:      1.8.7-2~bpo8+1 0         100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages  *** 1.6.2-20 0         500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
09:57.58WalexKnoF: so what's the problem now?
09:58.45KnoFim sorry im not that computer savvy
09:58.55KnoFi just want to install the 32 bit version from any repo
09:59.10WalexKnoF: that's now how it works...
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09:59.54KnoFoh :)
10:00.02KnoFthanks for taking the time
10:00.08WalexKnoF: if you have a 64b Devuan install you have to install the 64b version. Then it internally will do both the 64b and 32b Windows API
10:00.19KnoFwell
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10:00.35KnoFthe 64bit version gives me an error when trying to install some piece of software
10:00.39WalexKnoF: the 'amd64'/'i386' is the binary that implements WINE
10:01.17WalexKnoF: also note that since you have enabled trhe backports, you have available both the 1.6.2 and 1.8.7 versions of WINE
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10:02.25KnoFwine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\andraz\Downloads\PathOfExileInstaller.exe.
10:03.08WalexKnoF: do 'file ~/Downloads\PathOfExileInstaller.exe' what does it say?
10:03.57KnoFPathOfExileInstaller.exe: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
10:04.10KnoFits no biggie
10:04.13WalexKnoF: so that's right...
10:06.05WalexKnoF: 'apt-cache search wine1.8'
10:06.14WalexKnoF: 'apt-cache search 1.6'
10:06.22WalexKnoF: 'apt-cache search wine1.6' I mean
10:06.51WalexKnoF: you should be getting somethjing like http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9YqZSDnBYn/
10:07.07KnoFroot@Loki:/home/andraz/Downloads# apt-cache search wine1.6 winehq-devel - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs winehq-stable - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs winehq-staging - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs
10:07.15Walexthat's coold
10:07.27WalexKnoF: have you got 'pastebinit' installed?
10:07.43WalexKnoF: if not pls install it
10:07.54KnoFsure ill paste to pastebin
10:07.58KnoFsorry for messing up the chat
10:08.09WalexKnoF: 'pastebin.com' not so good...
10:08.34WalexKnoF: paste.debian.net or use the 'pastebinit' command
10:09.00Walexthe output of: 'sudo apt-get --dry-run install --reinstall wine1.6'
10:09.11Walexand of: 'sudo apt-get --dry-run install --reinstall wine1.8'
10:11.37KnoFhttps://pastebin.com/DgxejWGH
10:12.16KnoFhttps://pastebin.com/BubYSTZ8
10:14.40WalexKnoF: I guess writing "'pastebin.com' not so good... paste.debian.net or use the 'pastebinit' command" was wasted time...
10:15.07KnoFim still checking the manpage for pastebinit :)
10:16.21WalexKnoF: that result is rather worrying because the installation candidates are for 'sid'
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10:18.35WalexKnoF: which version of Devuan have you got?
10:19.31WalexKnoF: you cannot quite mix-and-match archives for different versions just like that.
10:19.38KnoFhttps://pastebin.com/GdyzRZkF
10:19.45KnoFthis is what i have in my sources.list
10:19.56KnoFi installed from a cd
10:20.00WalexKnoF: earlier you said that you have Debian Jessie plus the ASCII and Ceres repos, is that the case?
10:20.00KnoFjessie
10:20.07KnoFyes
10:20.18KnoFactually ill paste the whole of it
10:20.24WalexYour sources.list is really not right
10:21.03KnoFhttps://pastebin.com/gQ5WWugs
10:21.22KnoFi only have packages installed for jessie and everything was from jessie repositories
10:21.34KnoFexcept for binutils which is from ceres
10:21.59gnarfaceit's probably a really bad idea to mix repos like that, i should have said something about it
10:22.15WalexKnoF: a bit of a mess. You actually have Devuan Jessie rather than Debian Jessie, plus a bit of a mess.
10:23.01KnoF:)
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10:24.07WalexKnoF: you should eliminate the 'experimental' bits, if you really wants bit of 'ceres' you should use pinning, eliminate everything related to 'stretch',  'testing' and 'sid'
10:24.21WalexKnoF: and 'wheezy' of course.
10:25.12WalexKnoF: and don't use VirtualBox but LibVirt/QEMU/KVM, as an aside.
10:29.52WalexKnoF: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pc9vbYzfYh/
10:30.57KnoFthanks :)
10:31.17WalexKnoF: and then: 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get --dry-run  install --reinstall wine'
10:31.53gnarfaceKnoF: if you want wine 3.x i think you need ceres.  it might be in backports but i'm not sure
10:32.22gnarfaceit will be the package called "wine-development" though
10:32.28gnarfacenot "wine" (that one is like 1.6 or something)
10:32.37Walexgnarface: baby steps: let's first ensure he got something sensible, a known state.
10:32.51KnoFsec :)
10:32.53KnoFill paste
10:33.27Walexgnarface: then yes, he can enable from WINEhq he can enable 'debian-jessie-development' instead of 'jessie'
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10:42.00KnoFhttps://pastebin.com/Nj0hbPYe
10:42.03WalexKnoF: if you want to enable semi-safe mix of some "ceres" packages ensure that you have 'Default-Release: "jessie"' in the APT stanza of '/etc/apt/apt.conf' and/or pin release "ceres" to something like 200 in '/etc/apt/preferences'
10:42.06KnoFi guess im out of luck
10:42.30KnoFoh i will have to read about apt first
10:42.50KnoFi would prefer to have ceres all the way
10:43.02KnoFlike on my lappy
10:43.28WalexKnoF: then replace the main repo version with 'ceres' and do a 'dist-upgrade'
10:43.52WalexKnoF: anyhow the 'apt-get install's you did not necessarily the right way to do it.
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10:45.11WalexKnoF: also there is a bit of a mess as in "you have held broken packages"
10:45.35WalexKnoF: I note also that you have a persistent "but I know better" approach.
10:45.50KnoFno no not at all
10:46.05KnoFim glad you are taking the time
10:46.16KnoFand thanks for all the help untill now
10:48.29WalexKnoF: try again: apt-get install -t jessie --dry-run --reinstall --ignore-hold wine | pastebinit'
10:48.33KnoFi have exhausted what i know about the system so i came here seeking help
10:49.13WalexKnoF: then why are you continuing to use 'pastebin.com' instead of 'paste.debian.net' etc. and you did not use '--dry-run' or '--reinstall'?
10:50.44WalexKnoF: also 'apt-cache policy libpulse0:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386'
10:51.31WalexKnoF: also I mentioned before that 'winehq-staging:i386' etc is not the right thing
10:52.06KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018257/
10:53.39WalexKnoF: again: apt-get install -t jessie --dry-run --reinstall --ignore-hold wine
10:54.33KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018259/
10:54.34WalexKnoF: the 'apt-cache policy libpulse0:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386' said that they are available, so the question is why APT is not going to install them. There is some breakage...
10:55.23WalexKnoF: that looks pretty good, at least for installing 1.6.2 which is a first step
10:55.42WalexKnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie --reinstall --ignore-hold wine
10:56.28Walexthen you can try again with your '.exe' and if that still does now work we can try using one of the WINEhq packages for Jessie instead of the 1.6.2 from 'jessie-backports'
10:57.15WalexOops, I mant 1.8.7 not 1.6.2
10:58.04KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018260/
10:58.52WalexKnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie --reinstall --ignore-hold wine32
10:59.45KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018261/
11:00.26WalexKnoF: apt-cache policy libwine:i386
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11:01.14KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018262/
11:02.19WalexKnoF: oops, silly me...
11:02.44WalexKnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32
11:03.27KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018263/
11:03.29WalexKnoF: the '-t jessie' was wrong for this install, because we are actually targeting as I said above the 1.8.7 in the 'jessie-backports' archive.
11:04.02WalexKnoF: hard to believe that paste...
11:04.32WalexKnoF: because the 'apt-cache policy' said it was available'
11:04.55WalexKnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64  wine32
11:04.55KnoF:(
11:05.09WalexKnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64  wine32 libwine:i386
11:05.12Walexoops
11:05.42KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018265/
11:06.17WalexBTW 'wine' is the 'amd64' package for WINE, 'wine64' and 'wine32' are the 'amd64' packages for the 64b and 32b MS-WIndows APIs, and 'libwine:i386' is the implementation of 'wine32;
11:06.33KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018266/
11:07.11WalexKnoF: add 'libpulse0:i386' to the end...
11:08.09KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018267/
11:08.13WalexKnoF: I can't understand why '--ignore-hold' etc is not quite working. I suspect that '-t jessie-backports' is a bit too restrictive, but then I am trying to avoid explicit pinning.
11:08.55WalexKnoF: same without '-t jessie-backports' just to double check
11:09.37KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018268/
11:09.52WalexKnoF: mixing archives without pinning is not a nice thing
11:10.55WalexKnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64  wine32 libwine:i386 libpulse0:i386 libdbus-1-3:i386
11:11.16WalexI hate that, but whatever. I suspect your package status is not entirely "clean".
11:11.35WalexKnoF: because 'jessie-backports' should play nice.
11:11.41KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018271/
11:13.54WalexKnoF: add 'dbus:i386'
11:14.34KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018272/
11:15.25WalexKnoF: there is something else that blocks this. We may need to undo some stuff....
11:16.05WalexKnoF: do 'apt-get install aptitude; aptitude search '~i~ri386' to see which 'i386' packages are already installed
11:17.44KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018273/
11:18.12WalexKnoF: BTW I usually like 'aptitude' because of those nice search expressions, I have written a small guide here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414
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11:19.00WalexKnoF: why did you install 'gcc-4.9-base:i386'? Or just accidental?
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11:19.16KnoFi upgraded it from ceres binutils needed it
11:19.33WalexKnoF: but why the 'i386' version?
11:19.51WalexKnoF: that does not quitre figure...
11:20.22WalexKnoF: aptitude search '~ngcc-4.9-base'
11:21.05KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018275/
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11:23.00Walexaptitude search '~i~Rdepends:gcc-4.9-base:i386
11:23.04Walexaptitude search '~i~Rdepends:gcc-4.9-base:i386'
11:24.11KnoFempty line
11:24.12WalexKnoF: also to double check what's there: aptitude search '~i~nwine'
11:24.42WalexKnoF: apt-get remove --dry-run gcc-4.9-base:i386
11:24.49KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018276/
11:25.19KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018277/
11:25.56WalexKnoF: BTW I hope you are getting what the commands mean and following ther logic of what I am suggesting
11:26.52KnoF--dry-run = do nothing but do some output, ignore_hold im not quite sure what it does
11:27.25WalexKnoF: also the search expressions in 'aptitude'
11:28.09WalexKnoF: so now: 'apt-get remove --purge gcc-4.9-base:i386'
11:29.07KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018278/
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11:29.14WalexKnoF: then 'apt-get remove --dry-run wine wine64 winetricks q4wine libwine fonts-wine libwine-gecko-2.21'
11:29.50KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018279/
11:29.54WalexKnoF: that 'remove' went well, has cleared up a few 'i386' things.
11:30.26WalexKnoF: then 'apt-get remove --purge wine wine64 winetricks q4wine libwine fonts-wine libwine-gecko-2.21'
11:31.29KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018280/
11:31.54WalexKnoF: let's try again with: apt-get install --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32
11:32.56WalexKnoF: just to be sure, please paste again the 'sources.list' and also 'ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/'
11:33.00KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018281/
11:34.03WalexKnoF: let's try again with: apt-get install --dry-run wine wine64 wine32
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11:34.24WalexKnoF: All the packages it says "are not going to be installed" it actualy has them...
11:34.40KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018282/
11:35.38WalexKnoF: pls comment out just to be sure also the 'deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ jessie main' line
11:37.59Walexis perplexed perhaps '--reinstall' refuses to install new dependencies?
11:38.19KnoFthere, ran apt-get update
11:38.24KnoFwith that line commented out
11:38.28KnoFthe last one?
11:38.40KnoFapt-get install --dry-run wine wine64 wine32
11:38.45Walexyes try that....
11:39.25KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018284/
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11:41.13WalexKnoF: aptitude search '~b|~o|~ahold'
11:41.57WalexKnoF: I don't understand why it does not resolve the dependencies on the 'i386' packages. Anything that you have done in the past that might be related?
11:42.21KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018285/
11:42.53WalexKnoF: also try as a double check: apt-get install --dry-run dash:i386
11:43.23KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018287/
11:43.50KnoFwine was the only i386 thing i ever needed
11:45.31WalexKnoF: the outpout of "aptitude search '~b|~o|~ahold'" is not good at all.
11:45.59WalexKnoF: there are several broken packages, plus 'systemd' is installed, which is heretical
11:46.15KnoFreinstall?
11:46.28KnoFthis isnt a production machine
11:46.43WalexKnoF: it can be fixed, as the damage is not pervasive.
11:47.22WalexKnoF: but it is really not goot that both 'libc6' and 'libc6:i386' are "broken", even if obviously not fatally.
11:47.51WalexKnoF: I suspect that installing 'gcc' from the "ceres" archive did not work that well.
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11:49.19WalexKnoF: that can be fixed, but you said that you actually wanted to have 'ceres' so maybe a reinstall to 'ceres' would be nice.
11:49.29KnoF:)
11:49.52KnoFany way that can be done without formatting?
11:50.15KnoFapt-get -t ceres dist-upgrade would do the trick?
11:50.33WalexKnoF: ideally in two steps: first bring back everything to 'jessie' though
11:51.10WalexKnoF: then switch the 'sources.list' to "ceres" and do the 'dist-upgrade' and pray :-)
11:51.23KnoF:)
11:51.59WalexKnoF: let's try resetting 'binutils', 'gcc' and their dependencies back to 'jessie'
11:54.00KnoFapt-get --reinstall gcc binutils -t jessie?
11:54.08WalexKnoF: apt-get --dry-run -t jessie install --reinstall binutils gcc binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base  gcc-4.9-base:i386  libbinutils libc-l10n libc6 libc6:i386 libgcc1 libgcc1:i386 libuuid1 libuuid1:i386
11:54.54KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018289/
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11:55.49KnoFive done something wrong
11:55.52KnoFlemme do it again :)
11:56.20KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018290/
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11:59.03WalexKnoF: aptitude --simulate remove '~i~ri386'
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11:59.51KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018291/
12:00.27WalexKnoF: apt-get --dry-run remove gcc-4.9-base:i386 libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 libuuid1:i386
12:00.59KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018293/
12:01.30WalexKnoF: uhmm
12:02.15WalexKnoF: dpkg -C
12:02.30KnoFempty line
12:03.10Walexaptitude search '~b'
12:03.55KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018294/
12:04.23WalexI don't get why 'aptitude' reports as broken some non-installed "p" in first column packages.
12:05.24WalexKnoF: apt-get --dry-run -t jessie install --reinstall binutils gcc binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base  gcc-4.9-base libbinutils libc6 libgcc1 libuuid1
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12:05.55KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018295/
12:06.02WalexKnoF: actually let's for the time being just remove 'binutils'
12:06.41KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018296/
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12:07.27WalexKnoF: remove '--reinstall'
12:08.00WalexKnoF: the problem is 'libc6' being broken, that is a big blocker
12:08.08KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018298/
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12:09.08WalexKnoF: dpkg -l '*binutils*' '*gcc*' | cat
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12:09.43KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018300/
12:12.30WalexKnoF: dpkg --simulate --purge binutils binutils-common:amd64 binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base:amd64 libbinutils:amd64
12:13.11KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018301/
12:14.25WalexKnoF: oh what a mess...
12:15.47WalexKnoF: apt-cache policy gcc-4.9-base libgcc1:amd64 libstdc++6:amd64
12:16.05WalexKnoF: that mixing "ceres" in was not totally a good idea...
12:16.18WalexKnoF: however let's try a different approach
12:16.20KnoFhttp://paste.debian.net/1018302/
12:16.23fsmithredjessie and ceres are pretty far apart
12:16.57Walexfsmithred: there are "bad people" in this channels, some even have 'systemd' running :-)
12:17.06fsmithredmight be better to go to ascii first, then possibly pull in some things from beowulf and ceres
12:17.26fsmithredI'm not fully awake yet. Don't confuse me.
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12:19.30WalexKnoF: frankly I would rather you reinstalled to 'ceres'. As "fsmithred" says jumping directly from "jessie" to "ceres" is a bit optimistic, even if perhaps less of a mess then a mixed "jessie" and "ceres"
12:19.54KnoFapt-get -t ceres dist-upgrade -y
12:19.59KnoF?
12:20.20WalexKnoF: if you are willing to risk it...
12:20.25KnoFsure why not :)
12:20.50WalexKnoF: then change the sources and try...
12:21.34KnoFdeb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ceres main
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12:21.41WalexKnoF: you may have to add '--force-yes' too
12:21.42KnoFthis and any other source=
12:21.59WalexKnoF: you may want to comment out the 'backports'
12:22.13fsmithredmore work has been done on ascii than on beowulf or ceres, so there are more devuanized packages in ascii (and some later versions in ascii than in beowulf/ceres)
12:22.19WalexKnoF: and perhaps 'proposed'
12:23.07Walexfsmithred: our "KnoF" is a bit of an apprentice sorcerer, adding "sources" at semi-random :-)
12:23.29Walexbut wisdom hopefully can be learned :-)
12:23.37fsmithredkinda like skiing the moguls
12:24.21KnoFno dependancy problems :)
12:24.54KnoF:)))
12:24.57WalexKnoF: what you should have done with WINE was to just add the 'jessie' source from WINEhq or better rely on the one in 'jessie-backports'; same for 'binutils' etc. There is a reason why there is a '...-backports' archive :-)
12:24.59fsmithredyou just upgraded to ceres?
12:25.11WalexKnoF: you may be lucky
12:25.45fsmithredoh, I just noticed - you should probably switch from auto.mirror.devuan.org to either pkgmaster.devuan.org or deb.devuan.org (the last one will pick a mirror near you)
12:26.13KnoFdownloading with full speed
12:26.15fsmithredauto.mirror doesn't update as often as the others
12:26.16KnoFill put those in
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12:30.21KnoFthanks for the patience and everything
12:32.13KnoFfsmithred: yeah, it went along fine :)
12:32.25KnoFits just a big download
12:34.32KnoFoh neat, it kept firefox esr instead of going for the new one :)
12:41.22Walexis praying for "KnoF"'s upgrade :-)
12:42.14KnoFdont worry :)
12:42.20KnoFit will work just fine :)
12:42.36KnoFonly time apt let me down was around 2012
12:42.42WalexKnoF: says the guy that so far has created a frankendevuan :-)
12:42.55KnoFhehe :)
12:42.59KnoFit was not my intention
12:43.23KnoFi will try to remove systemd :)
12:43.51KnoFlast time i had this scenario the machine went haywire
12:44.14KnoFgot a minimal terminal with very few commands
12:45.23fsmithredis this an upgrade from debian to devuan?
12:45.34KnoFyeah :)
12:45.40WalexKnoF: you can't jut remove it, you need 'systemd-shim' as well as the old 'init'. I think the Wiki says how to switch from Debian jessie to Devuan jessie
12:45.54Walexfsmithred: told you there are "bad people" in the channel :-)
12:46.10fsmithredthe way I did it was install sysvinit, reboot, change sources, update/upgrade, reboot, remove systemd
12:46.14KnoFit was an upgrade from debian 6
12:46.20KnoFwell i upgraded
12:46.32KnoFbut the cd image is from 6.0
12:46.44Walexfsmithred: this is a Debian->Devuan, then partial "ceres" install, then "madness".
12:47.09fsmithredsqueeze?
12:47.47grillonlove devuan
12:47.52KnoF6.0 didnt have system.d i think
12:47.55grillonhi there
12:47.57KnoFhi
12:48.26WalexKnoF: not by default, but it had it as an option (for pervs of course :->)
12:48.51KnoFi dont like the bit where it does networking
12:48.52fsmithredthere was system available in wheezy
12:49.21KnoFbut im an illiterate, some friend suggested devuan and i went for it :)
12:49.31WalexKnoF: I don't like the bit where it does everything, and half-assedly :-)
12:49.42fsmithredlol, yeah, that
12:50.54Walexrages against "hipster software" even if L Poettering does not look like a hipster
12:52.08fsmithredKnoF, is this an old system, or did you just decide to start with an old CD?
12:55.20KnoFold :)
12:55.29KnoFthen i used devuan cd
12:55.40KnoFthen added devuan sources
12:55.48KnoFits a 9 year old pc
12:55.54KnoFfor the kid
12:55.57fsmithredused the devuan CD for what?
12:56.06fsmithredthat's newer than the rig I'm on now
12:56.37KnoFhe is getting a new one next month but just so he gets used to linux
12:56.46fsmithredcool
12:57.35KnoFused the devuan cd to install xfce
12:57.36KnoF:)
12:57.44fsmithredI gave linux to a 9-year-old girl, and two weeks later she figured out how to install software
12:58.14KnoFbut i promised i would make the game work as it works on my laptop :)
12:58.46fsmithredmy gaming experience is pretty much limited to freecell
12:59.06KnoFhe wants this path of exile game
12:59.25KnoF:)
13:10.24cirdansystemd isn't hipster, it's crappy trendy software. i's the real housewives of init systems
13:10.36cirdankorn shell is hipster. bsdi, etc :)
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13:30.54KnoFeverything went along fine, now for a reboot :)
13:30.56KnoFbbl
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15:08.50KnoFhey all
15:08.54KnoFit worked :)
15:09.04KnoFremoved half of xfce but it worked
15:09.07KnoFand some other programs
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15:10.08fsmithredwhy just half of xfce?
15:10.27KnoFsome of it stayed :)
15:10.42KnoFdialogs are a bit weird
15:10.52fsmithredyou're better off adding the parts individually.
15:11.17KnoFtrue
15:11.19fsmithredmetapackages can make it difficult if you want to get rid of one thing
15:11.35fsmithredanyway, congrats
15:11.41KnoFthanks :)
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17:20.35debdogoy! having a little issue after dist-upgrade to Ascii, xserver won't start. xorg.0.log: https://dpaste.de/EVj8/raw I'd appreciate any hint.
17:20.35debdogdunno if that matters here, but I encountered this issue and followed the instructions to solve it: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1950
17:21.26debdogasider from the (EE)s at the log's bottom there is this line:
17:21.26debdog(EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files
17:21.37debdogdoes this matter or can I ignore that?
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17:22.48KnoFhey all
17:27.15debdogtranslating the line "EE) modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied" would help me greatly, I suppose. translating to what it's actually trying to do, mayhap something in /dev?
17:27.39debdog*accessing something in
17:30.40baughjuh, shooting in the dark but make sure your user can access /dev/dri/card0? (e.g. your user is in video group)
17:32.47debdogbaughj: "video:x:44:ax" user is there
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17:36.23baughjwhat's the video card?
17:39.54baughjthere's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833182 but, it references a change using logind/systemd so I have very little idea what the equivalency in devuan is
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17:40.49fsmithreddebdog, is this with or without a display manager?
17:44.00fsmithredsystemd-logind error might possibly be corrected by adding elogind and/or libpam-elogind
17:44.57debdogfsmithred: no display manager. I start it from console with startx
17:45.05fsmithredah, ok
17:45.43fsmithredup until recently, I needed to add 'needs_root_rights=yes' to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
17:45.57fsmithreddidn't need that last time I tried it
17:46.35debdoghmm, I intend to start it as a regular user, I should mention
17:47.50debdogXwrapper.config only has one (active) line: allowed_users=console
17:48.11fsmithredhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8009#p8009
17:48.13debdogfor the elogind packages, are they required?
17:48.31fsmithredsee that last link where I descibe how I did it a few weeks ago
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17:49.08fsmithredstartx is the only way I can run X as user
17:49.10divansantana_can someone paste a working sources.list for ascii?
17:49.26debdoglobpolkit... hmm. ok. let me boot into that broken system....
17:49.36fsmithredisn't there a sources.list on front page of devuan.org?
17:49.43godbed<-- debdog's alter ego
17:50.17fsmithredlol
17:50.33fsmithredfine, as long as I don't have to read everything in a mirror
17:50.58divansantana_getting errors like this https://pastebin.com/jsggq2JZ
17:51.21fsmithreddivansantana_, use the one on devuan.org but replace jessie with ascii and auto.mirror.devuan.org with deb.devuan.org
17:52.10fsmithredthere is no 'mirror.devuan.org'
17:52.22fsmithredit's 'auto.mirror.devuan.org'
17:56.42divansantana_fsmithred: hmm. Did that used to exist? maybe I just broke it. Thanks!
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18:00.02debdogguess whoms xserver just started \o/
18:00.40debdogprolly not using the 'right' driver yet, but I am  one step further
18:01.32debdogirc client is butt ugly, though
18:03.43debdog"(EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files" is gone fro the log
18:03.58fsmithredgood
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19:34.48grillonthank you for the link on FL1100 NewGnuGuy
19:34.55grillonhi there
19:36.19grillondevuan ascii use 4.9 but I guess it should be good.
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21:11.02KnoFhi is there any way i can use r9 280x with devuan
21:12.18KnoFApr  2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [   18.700020] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_pfp.bin failed with error -2 Apr  2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [   18.712007] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_me.bin failed with error -2 Apr  2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [   18.719391] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_ce.bin failed with error -2 Apr  2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [   18.719871]
21:12.23KnoFthis is what im getting
21:12.40specingthat is radeon "open source" for you
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22:21.29aitori updated the repository of gnuinos adding grub2 a common initramfs-tools and live-boot for udev | vdev, and a version of udev breaking with vdev::
22:21.32aitorhttp://packages.gnuinos.org/
22:22.28aitori restarted the system after updating the grub and the initramfs and worked with udev
22:22.59aitortomorrow i'll try with vdev, first i need to update its packaging
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22:27.25aitorg'night (12:30 here)
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