| 00:11.29 | holla | golinux: your policy looks normal to me. what do you see with '# apt list --upradable'? Does deb8u10 show up? |
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| 00:21.06 | golinux | upradable typo |
| 00:21.54 | holla | upgradable, sry |
| 00:22.24 | golinux | It still doesn't work |
| 00:22.50 | holla | does it list deb8u10? |
| 00:22.58 | golinux | There is no output |
| 00:23.05 | holla | hm |
| 00:24.00 | holla | kk, try this: '# apt-get -s -o Debug::ProblemSolver=yes install perl-base' |
| 00:24.53 | holla | and then the above but with '... install perl-base=VERSIONNUMBER' |
| 00:25.12 | golinux | perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.20.2-3+deb8u9) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u10 is to be installed |
| 00:25.58 | golinux | I'm going to try a reboot like fsmithred suggested earlier. |
| 00:26.05 | golinux | brb |
| 00:26.06 | holla | 5.20.2-3+deb8u10 <- that should be |
| 00:26.27 | holla | good idea |
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| 00:36.54 | golinux | holla: No joy |
| 00:38.15 | rrq | perhaps: # apt-get install -t jessie-security perl-base |
| 00:38.47 | golinux | rrq: OK I'll try that. |
| 00:39.16 | golinux | Nope. |
| 00:39.23 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.41 | rrq | (checking backlog) |
| 00:40.57 | holla | # apt-get -s install perl=5.20.2-3+deb8u10 |
| 00:43.33 | golinux | Wishful thinking |
| 00:45.25 | rrq | well, keep going "apt-get -s install perl=5.20.2-3+deb8u10 perl-base=5.20.2-3+deb8u10 |
| 00:46.17 | rrq | (the -s says "simulate") |
| 00:48.04 | fsmithred | reboot worked for me when I was getting 'device or resource busy' |
| 00:48.06 | golinux | I keep ending up in the same place no matter what I do. |
| 00:48.23 | fsmithred | and I figured perl was trying to upgrade itself while it was running (apt) |
| 00:48.24 | golinux | Well, that did stop at some point. |
| 00:48.45 | golinux | But still unmet dependencies. |
| 00:49.16 | golinux | I've about had enough of this . . . should I try backports? |
| 00:49.38 | fsmithred | no idea |
| 00:49.42 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 00:49.49 | golinux | Maybe I already did. Can't remember. LOL! |
| 00:49.50 | fsmithred | that would still leave you to try ascii |
| 00:49.57 | holla | sorry, told you wrong .. once again - could you run: '# apt-get -s -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes install perl' |
| 00:50.01 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep bpo |
| 00:50.47 | golinux | I don't think a avidemux GTK from wheezy will run on ascii |
| 00:51.05 | fsmithred | probably would need a newer one |
| 00:51.20 | golinux | Will it grep a disabled repo? |
| 00:51.54 | fsmithred | dpkg -l lists what is installed |
| 00:51.58 | golinux | There isn't a newer one that is usable. Remember all that qt5 stuff we tried? It's now in a flatpak. |
| 00:52.57 | golinux | Where should I post it? |
| 00:53.23 | fsmithred | just read it |
| 00:53.37 | fsmithred | or do you mean the debug command? |
| 00:53.39 | golinux | And toime based instead of frame based and without a cross fade. They ruined it. |
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| 00:54.45 | golinux | There is no perl stuff in the list. |
| 00:55.28 | golinux | fsmithred> or do you mean the debug command? |
| 00:55.37 | golinux | Don't understand that |
| 00:57.29 | golinux | holla: Something new - Depends: perl-modules (>= 5.20.2-3+deb8u10) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u9 is to be installed |
| 00:58.46 | golinux | I'm going to try to downgrade the parts that upgraded |
| 00:58.54 | holla | pkgProblemResolver should give show possible solutions to you |
| 00:59.00 | golinux | sfter some food that is. LOL! |
| 01:00.00 | golinux | holla: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution) |
| 01:00.07 | golinux | That didn;t work either |
| 01:00.36 | golinux | I need food. |
| 01:00.39 | golinux | bbl |
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| 04:02.49 | golinux | holla: I ended up downgrading libperl5 to 5.20.2-3+deb8u9 and now nothing is broken |
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| 05:29.52 | holla | golinux: pleased to hear :D - my next suggestion would have been to purge and reinstall perl altogether |
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| 13:54.54 | Beerbelott | Hello! Is using Devuan underneath docker-ce known to be a source of trouble? |
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| 13:56.46 | Beerbelott | I am facing the 'cgroups: cannot find cgroup mount destination: unknown' error, which I can find on the Web as usually being resolved with: |
| 13:56.47 | Beerbelott | sudo mkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd |
| 13:56.47 | Beerbelott | sudo mount -t cgroup -o none,name=systemd cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd |
| 13:56.59 | Beerbelott | Reading systemd there gives me the creeps |
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| 14:38.04 | Nematocyst | apt upgrade: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:38.04 | Nematocyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.04 | Nematocyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.52 | KatolaZ | Nematocyst: you should remove libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd |
| 14:39.21 | KatolaZ | you should use either the -consolekit or the -elogind version |
| 14:39.34 | KatolaZ | (it mostly depends on the DE you are using) |
| 14:40.15 | Nematocyst | KatolaZ, maybe that's how i got it to begin with-- experimented with several DE a few months ago |
| 14:40.50 | KatolaZ | Nematocyst: normally, each DE works better with either consolekit or elogind |
| 14:41.01 | KatolaZ | some are known to work fine with either |
| 14:41.31 | KatolaZ | some prefer elogind (meaning that some session-related stuff might not work without elogind) |
| 14:42.34 | Nematocyst | KatolaZ, looks like maybe that was part of google-chrome-stable? after removing from your advice, that's the only issue. google-chrome stable has been held back |
| 14:42.50 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 14:42.53 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 14:43.16 | Nematocyst | ok. why has that been held back then? |
| 14:43.21 | KatolaZ | dunno Nematocyst |
| 14:43.42 | KatolaZ | I have google-chrome installed, unfortunately, and no polkit whatsoever in my system :) |
| 14:44.25 | Nematocyst | ok, there's a new package. no biggie, solved now. thx for telling me what to remove |
| 14:44.59 | KatolaZ | np |
| 14:45.07 | KatolaZ | please hold on for 10-15 minutes |
| 14:45.17 | KatolaZ | the new elogind is hitting the repos |
| 14:49.35 | Beerbelott | Whats about the cgroups ussue? |
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| 14:49.55 | Beerbelott | Is creating the cgroups mount in a 'systemd' folder standard? |
| 14:50.20 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: no idea |
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| 15:04.43 | Beerbelott | KatolaZ: OK :\ |
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| 15:52.35 | golinux | holla: perl finally installed!! |
| 15:52.56 | golinux | That was way too much work. |
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| 16:04.44 | holla | golinux: how did you accomplish it finally? |
| 16:07.31 | golinux | After the downgrade, the upgrade wouldn't complete because something was busy. So then I rebooted as fsmithred suggested and the upgrade completed smoothly. |
| 16:09.43 | golinux | Also using synaptic, I allowed perl to mark the dependencies rather than checking them all myself so perl was in charge. |
| 16:10.49 | golinux | I hope I can remember this the next time perl needs to be upgraded. |
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| 20:09.39 | xrogaan | so I got this conflict now: http://dpaste.com/3P2KSA7 (ASCII) |
| 20:11.43 | xrogaan | aptitude recommend to do nothing. |
| 20:12.43 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: why do you need both elogind and cosolekit? |
| 20:12.50 | KatolaZ | you should have either one or the other |
| 20:13.01 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: which DE are you using? |
| 20:13.06 | xrogaan | I don't know, the consolekit stuff wouldn't let me start a desktop. |
| 20:13.29 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: which Desktop Environment (DE) are you using? |
| 20:13.31 | xrogaan | mate |
| 20:14.07 | KatolaZ | mate is fine with consolekit |
| 20:14.55 | xrogaan | consolekit and slim don't do so well sometimes. |
| 20:15.00 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 20:15.08 | KatolaZ | slim works fine with consolekit |
| 20:15.12 | KatolaZ | lightdm has problems |
| 20:15.26 | xrogaan | slim: open_session: Unable to open session: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit': timed out |
| 20:15.33 | KatolaZ | but again, you should have only one of the two backends |
| 20:15.43 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: it's because you have both consolekit and elogind |
| 20:15.47 | KatolaZ | one one of them should be there |
| 20:15.54 | KatolaZ | just remove elogind |
| 20:16.00 | KatolaZ | and the elogind backend |
| 20:16.12 | KatolaZ | (or consolekit, and the consolekit backend) |
| 20:16.28 | xrogaan | I don't have those consolekit backend, they are replaced by elogind |
| 20:16.32 | KatolaZ | anyway, it would be good to report your case to DNG anyway |
| 20:16.38 | xrogaan | >> libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 [Not Installed] |
| 20:17.02 | xrogaan | it's breaking because of this maybe? libpam-elogind : Breaks: libpam-ck-connector but 0.4.6-6 is installed |
| 20:17.12 | KatolaZ | you have consolekit installed |
| 20:17.23 | KatolaZ | libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 : Conflicts: consolekit but 0.4.6-6 is installed |
| 20:17.36 | KatolaZ | mmmhh |
| 20:17.52 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 20:17.58 | KatolaZ | which mirror are you using? |
| 20:18.07 | KatolaZ | the problem is in the wrong version of elogind probably |
| 20:18.23 | KatolaZ | please use pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 20:18.25 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
| 20:18.29 | KatolaZ | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 20:19.35 | KatolaZ | you are getting the wrong version of elogind |
| 20:19.56 | KatolaZ | (probably?) |
| 20:20.49 | xrogaan | right, I had duplicates repos for some reason. |
| 20:21.08 | xrogaan | removing consolekit means removing slim and several tasks, so I can't really do that. |
| 20:21.13 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:21.15 | KatolaZ | don't do that |
| 20:21.19 | KatolaZ | just please use pkgmaster |
| 20:21.40 | xrogaan | I do, now. |
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| 20:22.01 | xrogaan | there was a packages.devuan.org in the source.list |
| 20:22.14 | KatolaZ | is it working now? |
| 20:23.14 | xrogaan | no |
| 20:23.39 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: could you please try with apt-get instead than aptitude? |
| 20:24.01 | xrogaan | yeah, same result except apt wants to remove a lot more stuff |
| 20:24.51 | xrogaan | i'll try to install consolekit instead. |
| 20:25.26 | xrogaan | it ought to remove elogind and keeps my DE sane. |
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| 20:29.22 | xrogaan | it should be fine. |
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| 20:33.54 | xrogaan | the conflict was raised over the libpolkit things |
| 20:37.27 | agl | Does anybody know where is the place of the xfce4-menu? |
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| 21:23.45 | guru_ | I can sftp to my server, but can't ssh via MATE Terminal. I tried clearing my ssh keys, but I just get a blinking cursor after I press enter. |
| 21:24.03 | guru_ | Putty for example connects, but I just want to use mate terminal |
| 21:28.19 | guru_ | meh I purged mate-terminal still the same problem |
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| 21:30.49 | gnarface | guru_: adding "-v -v -v" to the ssh command-line options may give you some clues. |
| 21:31.02 | guru_ | thanks :) |
| 21:31.06 | guru_ | oh -v must be verbose |
| 21:31.21 | gnarface | yes, you can specify it up to 3 times for increasing verbosity |
| 21:32.41 | guru_ | OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u3, OpenSSL 1.0.2l 25 May 2017 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * debug2: resolving "ip" port port debug2: ssh_connect_direct: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to ip [ip] port port. |
| 21:33.09 | guru_ | looks fine |
| 21:34.23 | gnarface | how long did you let it wait before you killed it and assumed it would never connect? |
| 21:34.59 | gnarface | occasionally there's causes for delay - entropy starvation, DNS problems, reverse-lookup delays... etc |
| 21:35.32 | gnarface | version mismatches can be an issue too but i'd expect to see that in the verbose output |
| 21:35.57 | guru_ | i'll just let it time out, but with any other client\terminal package it connects instantly |
| 21:36.13 | gnarface | it is of course possible to configure sshd to only allow sftp connections... but since you said it's your server i'd assume you'd know if that were the case here |
| 21:36.23 | guru_ | yeah it's client side for sure |
| 21:36.29 | guru_ | err the issue is clientside |
| 21:36.41 | guru_ | i've had this happen before and had to purge mate-terminal, but that didn't work this time |
| 21:37.01 | gnarface | could you be running ssh-agent accidentally and caching outdated keys? |
| 21:37.10 | gnarface | or some mate keychain thing perhaps? |
| 21:37.50 | guru_ | i removed known_hosts |
| 21:38.04 | guru_ | hmmm i'm not sure |
| 21:39.41 | guru_ | i'll just use another terminal app this is silly :P |
| 21:40.04 | gnarface | it seems weird that the terminal emulator could sabotage this |
| 21:40.15 | gnarface | you're saying that ssh connects fine if you use a different terminal?! |
| 21:40.33 | guru_ | yup :) |
| 21:40.36 | guru_ | putty = working |
| 21:40.42 | gnarface | no |
| 21:40.44 | gnarface | putty doesn't count |
| 21:40.47 | guru_ | oh |
| 21:40.51 | gnarface | i mean a different LINUX terminal emulator |
| 21:40.57 | guru_ | let me try xterm |
| 21:40.59 | guru_ | sec |
| 21:41.05 | gnarface | since ssh is NOT part of the mate terminal in the way it's part of putty, that's not a rational comparison |
| 21:41.20 | guru_ | what about xterm? |
| 21:41.28 | gnarface | xterm should b efine |
| 21:41.29 | gnarface | *be fine |
| 21:41.39 | guru_ | ah same issue |
| 21:41.43 | guru_ | interesting |
| 21:41.54 | gnarface | so it's not the terminal, it's openssh |
| 21:41.59 | guru_ | should i reinstall openssh? |
| 21:42.00 | guru_ | and purge it |
| 21:42.18 | gnarface | well you should make sure you've got the latest version in the repo but i can't imagine reinstalling the same version would fix anything |
| 21:42.20 | KatolaZ | guru_: ssh -vvv |
| 21:42.50 | guru_ | yeah we tried with verbose x3 |
| 21:42.57 | guru_ | OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u3, OpenSSL 1.0.2l 25 May 2017 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * debug2: resolving "ip" port port debug2: ssh_connect_direct: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to ip [ip] port port. |
| 21:43.03 | guru_ | and a blinking cursor |
| 21:43.23 | KatolaZ | guru_: have you tried from a terminal |
| 21:43.31 | KatolaZ | (not a virtual terminal under X) |
| 21:43.37 | KatolaZ | a proper virtual console |
| 21:43.53 | KatolaZ | the one you get woth CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 21:44.04 | KatolaZ | s/woth/with |
| 21:44.20 | guru_ | i'll try that now thanks |
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| 21:56.20 | xrogaan | yep, the shenanigans with consolekit and slim reappeared. |
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| 22:20.17 | guru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.39 | guru_ | i just upgraded another debian stretch box to devuan ascii any idea how to fix this? |
| 22:20.52 | guru_ | linux-initramfs-tool |
| 22:20.52 | guru_ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 22:21.38 | guru_ | output of apt --fix-broken install |
| 22:21.38 | guru_ | https://pastebin.com/qphFJkLw |
| 22:22.00 | guru_ | i tried apt-get remove systemd |
| 22:24.07 | guru_ | systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. |
| 22:24.13 | guru_ | ugh no it's not |
| 22:24.25 | guru_ | i'll try rebooting |
| 22:26.53 | KatolaZ | guru_: there is a walkthrough for that |
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| 22:27.04 | guru_ | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii |
| 22:27.06 | guru_ | is what i followed |
| 22:27.44 | KatolaZ | if you followed it, systemd should not be the active init system |
| 22:28.13 | guru_ | i'll restore the backup image and follow it again |
| 22:28.15 | guru_ | :[ |
| 22:28.59 | KatolaZ | guru_: you should install sysvinit-core |
| 22:29.08 | KatolaZ | then reboot |
| 22:29.10 | KatolaZ | then remove systemd |
| 22:29.40 | guru_ | i must of not rebooted and raced through it |
| 22:29.50 | guru_ | i'll restore and repeat |
| 22:29.54 | guru_ | :P |
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| 22:30.31 | KatolaZ | no need to restore |
| 22:30.44 | guru_ | ah i wasn't sure if it would still boot |
| 22:30.49 | guru_ | thanks |
| 22:31.01 | KatolaZ | guru_: do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 22:31.13 | guru_ | yup |
| 22:31.31 | KatolaZ | do you have sysvinit-core installed? |
| 22:31.35 | guru_ | yup |
| 22:31.48 | KatolaZ | then you should be fire |
| 22:31.50 | KatolaZ | ~fine |
| 22:32.57 | guru_ | thanks =] |
| 22:37.28 | guru_ | cat /etc/issue |
| 22:37.29 | guru_ | Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres \n \l |
| 22:37.32 | guru_ | thanks my os is cancer free |
| 22:37.51 | guru_ | done deal |
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