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| 00:19.05 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:21.46 | bozonius | testing ascii. Sound looks promising, rebooting with my headset as default sound device |
| 01:42.25 | gnarface | it wasn't you, bozonius, i had to run an errand |
| 01:45.44 | bozonius | j/k |
| 01:46.02 | bozonius | it was just the timing, it seemed perfect |
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| 01:46.35 | bozonius | sound is working at the command prompt in ascii. I can arecord and aplay but I have to pass the -D param to tell them which device |
| 01:47.00 | bozonius | I tried setting up the /etc/asound.conf file as it exists on my other VMs, but it did not seem to "take" |
| 01:47.15 | bozonius | however, ff does let me select which card I want to use |
| 01:47.21 | bozonius | as well as the device |
| 01:52.11 | bozonius | this is weird. ff can hear the mic but it plays back through the desktop speakers |
| 01:52.23 | bozonius | thinks: If it's not one thing, it's another |
| 01:52.54 | bozonius | every one of these systems sound config seems to be different. Just slightly enough different to drive ol' bozonius crazy |
| 01:53.30 | bozonius | bbl to look at this some more |
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| 04:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | offtopic, but "globally" (ok, EU-wide, and particularly DE) relevant: https://blog.wikimedia.de/2018/05/02/danke-aber-das-reicht-nicht-nouploadfilter/ |
| 04:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | please move discussions on this to #devuan-de (lang de/en) and/or ##censor-my-helloworld (lang en) |
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| 04:06.45 | bozonius | my host got sick had to reboot |
| 04:08.09 | bozonius | resuming ascii testing... |
| 04:13.28 | AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, are you there ? |
| 04:14.56 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, are you there ? |
| 04:15.30 | golinux | Yes |
| 04:15.47 | golinux | fsmithred is surely asleep |
| 04:16.23 | golinux | I am wrestling with updates to the website |
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| 04:25.07 | AlexLikeRock | pm golinux |
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| 04:30.42 | aslan8649 | hello, i am have a bizarre problem with VLC under devuan ascii. on two laptop computers running devuan ascii VLC 2.2.7 runs correctly. It displays the english subtitle for the Austria Television Program DVD. The Devuan Server running Ascii and VLC 2.2.7 does not display the subtitles. |
| 04:30.58 | aslan8649 | no matter what I do it will not display the subtitles. |
| 04:34.55 | aslan8649 | I have tried to download and compile the VLC source for 3.0.2 the compile fails in Chromecast. |
| 04:35.58 | aslan8649 | I would like to try to install the Ceres version of VLC, i just do not know how to access the Ceres depository. |
| 04:37.25 | aslan8649 | I thought of downloading the Debian version of VLC which is at 2.7.8. but I really do not want to "mix and match" I would rather stay within Devuan. |
| 04:37.34 | aslan8649 | any ideas |
| 04:38.44 | aslan8649 | I will be back in the morning. later |
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| 05:19.24 | bozonius | no xfce4-mixer in ascii? |
| 05:19.53 | bozonius | it'd be helpful... |
| 05:20.02 | bozonius | (I'm not using pulseaudio) |
| 05:21.56 | Jjp137 | iirc it was removed in Debian Stretch, and thus Ascii |
| 05:22.07 | Jjp137 | trying to remember why |
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| 05:23.04 | Jjp137 | found this: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9457 |
| 05:23.34 | Jjp137 | in the meantime, you could probably use alsamixer or maybe there's something else |
| 05:32.13 | bozonius | we will be eternally poettered to death... |
| 05:32.26 | bozonius | these dependdencies should never have existed |
| 05:45.51 | MinceR | if we can't maintain our own packages, we indeed will be |
| 06:00.16 | gnarface | aslan8649: did you check backports for a newer vlc? |
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| 06:33.04 | bozonius | is there a non-development version of chromium? the ascii chromium does not work with my headset, but v57 or so does. |
| 06:34.01 | bozonius | i'm testing ascii and I am trying (desperately) to get my usb headset to work with it -- it is my last hope. |
| 06:34.35 | enyc | bozonius: humm..... there might be many things going on ere but... |
| 06:34.43 | bozonius | It works fine on an anti-X VM, but there the chromium version is v57. |
| 06:35.02 | enyc | bozonius: https://packages.debian.org/chromium suggestios jessie has a version 57 too |
| 06:35.18 | bozonius | so how do I install it to ascii? |
| 06:35.31 | enyc | bozonius: I would think you can (l/ikely) get the deb package and manually insatll v57 from deb and sort out any missing deps |
| 06:35.32 | bozonius | do I need a backport |
| 06:35.41 | enyc | bozonius: no thats like a forward-port ;p |
| 06:35.53 | enyc | bozonius: see ascii(stretch) has 66.0 etc.. |
| 06:35.54 | bozonius | well, ok |
| 06:36.05 | enyc | bozonius: im not convinced thats' your problem mind-you |
| 06:36.07 | bozonius | yes, I see that. |
| 06:36.13 | bozonius | ok, what do you think it is? |
| 06:36.28 | bozonius | audacity works fine on ascii with my new headset |
| 06:36.37 | bozonius | I can arecord/aplay fine |
| 06:36.40 | enyc | bozonius: I dont know enout about audio abstraction |
| 06:36.50 | enyc | bozonius: aaaah new info here |
| 06:36.51 | bozonius | there is no pulseaudio |
| 06:37.21 | bozonius | I've de-poetter'd my ascii as much as I can |
| 06:37.34 | enyc | bozonius: may be something about those changes you've made thats stopping it working |
| 06:37.39 | enyc | bozonius: however |
| 06:37.41 | bozonius | such as? |
| 06:37.56 | enyc | bozonius: you'd need to narrow it down methodically, however... |
| 06:38.12 | bozonius | "those changes" <--- ??? |
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| 06:38.34 | enyc | bozonius: "de-poetter'd my ascii as much as I can", pulseaudio and all !! |
| 06:38.50 | bozonius | anti-X, where chromium v57 works, is also de-poetter'd |
| 06:39.06 | enyc | bozonius: right yes, and who knows how exactly and whatever-else |
| 06:39.22 | enyc | bozonius: now.... i was gonig to go on to say [i need tymeto type this out!] |
| 06:39.46 | bozonius | I see I have not completely de-poettered it yet: avahi is running. |
| 06:39.49 | bozonius | go on |
| 06:39.50 | bozonius | sorry |
| 06:39.53 | KatolaZ | bozonius: chromium is version 66 in ascii.... |
| 06:40.53 | enyc | bozonius: r.e. installing jessie packages chromiuw-57 etc.. what you CAN do is edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add BELOW all the 'ascii' lines a duplicate copy with "ascii" changed to "jessie" in each case.. this will give your apt access to both suites [some say not a good idea sometimes, it usually works and good enough for this...] |
| 06:41.41 | enyc | bozonius: you can then "apt-get update" and then LOOK AT what you are offered when you "apt-get install chromium=57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1" |
| 06:42.11 | Jjp137 | with something as big as chromium, that sounds a bit scary :p |
| 06:42.12 | bozonius | and it will know to get the dependencies from jessie, not ascii? or is that NOT supposed to happen |
| 06:42.13 | enyc | that MAY work to install the jessie-version and any 'old' libraries/dependencies it requires, which may be good enough to test your theory in part |
| 06:42.27 | enyc | bozonius: sort of, where explicitly requestied |
| 06:42.46 | enyc | bozonius: but where the dp can be satsified with newer ascii version, it will use that |
| 06:43.11 | bozonius | Jjp137: This is only a test VM for me. |
| 06:43.28 | bozonius | I can snapshot it and try mangling it a bit |
| 06:43.28 | Jjp137 | ah right |
| 06:43.38 | bozonius | yeah, but I do agree with you there... |
| 06:43.45 | enyc | bozonius: if you truly wanted chromium with jessie only libraries, you'd setup a jessie 'chroot' =) |
| 06:44.00 | bozonius | a container! |
| 06:44.27 | enyc | bozonius: did you understand above about older suites CAN be placed in sources.list, BELOW the newer suites above? |
| 06:44.43 | bozonius | an easier way to test this theory might be to try building a v66 on anti-X |
| 06:44.48 | bozonius | compare it there |
| 06:44.57 | enyc | bozonius: its not hard to do as i said, AT ALL |
| 06:45.00 | enyc | bozonius: no building required |
| 06:45.12 | bozonius | true that |
| 06:45.13 | enyc | bozonius: its' very likely to just 'install' as requested |
| 06:45.22 | enyc | bozonius: but LOOK AT what apt says first.. |
| 06:45.30 | bozonius | ok, so copy all the ascii repo lines and s/ascii/jessie/g |
| 06:45.46 | enyc | bozonius: if it wants todo crazy downgrading everything and uninstalling half the system, you know its' bad ;p |
| 06:45.53 | bozonius | right |
| 06:46.04 | enyc | bozonius: but more likely it will just want to install some extra packages and downgrade chromium as requested |
| 06:46.14 | bozonius | ok, I'm on it... |
| 06:46.47 | bozonius | btw, is this useful? I mean, aside from anyone else trying to use usb headset in ascii in chromium |
| 06:46.50 | enyc | bozonius: its' important to put the jessie lines 'below' generally, so that if there is ''apparently same version'' of a packgaeg in jessie *and* ascii, the ascii binary will be preferred |
| 06:47.09 | bozonius | right, right, I get the general gist of this |
| 06:47.54 | enyc | bozonius: notice i pulled the version off packages.debian.org -- I don't KNOW that devuan maintain their own variant chromium |
| 06:49.12 | enyc | chromium is apparently NOT on the devuan 'forked' list |
| 06:50.11 | enyc | if, switching chromium to jessie version, ''works'', then some "apt pinning" game can be used to stop apt 'upgrading' it to ascii version on next "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
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| 06:50.44 | bozonius | ok |
| 06:50.57 | bozonius | so it can't find the version (57.0....) |
| 06:51.04 | enyc | bozonius: did you apt-get update ? |
| 06:51.06 | bozonius | I used the example you posted above |
| 06:51.09 | bozonius | oh |
| 06:52.35 | bozonius | it's weird... seems to be working and for bozonius, that's nearly a miracle |
| 06:53.50 | bozonius | omg, and the sound I and O works in chromium!!! |
| 06:54.06 | bozonius | thanks enyc!!! |
| 06:54.33 | bozonius | so it looks like the maintainers broke their software between 57 and 66 |
| 06:54.46 | bozonius | unless |
| 06:55.06 | bozonius | somewhere along the line, it expected newer sound support |
| 06:55.46 | bozonius | the best part is, there is a simple test I can give them if I file a bug |
| 06:57.27 | bozonius | dictaphone.audio is a voice recorder that can test the mic and headphone speakers |
| 06:57.38 | bozonius | it works correctly in v57 on ascii, but v66 does not |
| 06:58.17 | bozonius | of course, I'd also have to consider if all distros fail to allow v66 to work |
| 06:58.35 | bozonius | stretch? I don't have that here |
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| 10:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the noise, server update with mdadm issues |
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| 11:14.28 | xkr47 | madam issues |
| 11:41.45 | aslan8649 | what is the /etc/apt/source.list entry for devuan backports? i tried deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii-backport main contrib non-free and get an error |
| 11:42.10 | aslan8649 | The repository 'http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii-backport Release' does not have a Release file |
| 11:44.35 | aslan8649 | solved it it is "backports" plural |
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| 11:44.52 | aslan8649 | solved it it is "backports" plural I has missed the 's' |
| 11:49.33 | jonadab | Is there a procedure (and documentation) for packaging up the new version of something (e.g., the latest NetHack release) and getting it into Ceres, or are we still operating on a "get it into Debian and it'll filter down to us" basis? |
| 11:49.49 | jonadab | would like to see things get into Devuan first. |
| 11:51.31 | KatolaZ | jonadab: so far we have followed debian |
| 11:51.53 | KatolaZ | but nothing prevents us from having newer packages in ceres |
| 11:52.01 | KatolaZ | if we have maintainers for them |
| 11:54.47 | jonadab | I've not maintained a .deb package before. But I've been meaning to learn. |
| 11:55.04 | jonadab | What is the best way to get started? |
| 11:59.24 | KatolaZ | the debian new maintainer guide |
| 11:59.35 | KatolaZ | and the d1h walkthrough for devuan-specific stuff |
| 12:00.00 | KatolaZ | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 12:00.19 | KatolaZ | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
| 12:03.13 | KatolaZ | jonadab: please consider thet devuan's workflow is based on git |
| 12:03.54 | KatolaZ | d1h hides some of the complexity, but I would say that some previous experience with using git is highly recommended, if not mandatory |
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| 12:52.15 | aslan8649 | there appears to be no vlc-nox version 3.0.2 is this because it does not exist in debian? |
| 12:52.39 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: where exactly? |
| 12:53.08 | KatolaZ | the current version in ascii is 2.2.7-1~deb9u1 |
| 12:53.43 | KatolaZ | it looks like there is no vlc-nox in ceres (sid) |
| 13:00.32 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, i am having a problem with vlc so I am trying to fetch and install the latest version |
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| 13:02.43 | jonadab | KatolaZ: I have experience using git. |
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| 13:03.14 | jonadab | Well, up to a point. Nothing very much more complicated than rebasing. |
| 13:04.21 | jonadab | I'll try to look at those docs this afternoon. |
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| 13:23.00 | KatolaZ | jonadab: merging/rebasing is probably the most advanced thing you might need :) |
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| 16:00.24 | aslan8649 | is there a way to have aptitude just fetch and install the ceres version of VLC and dependent packages? |
| 16:00.58 | aslan8649 | why is the channel suffering such severe splits and so many |
| 16:01.22 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: uh? |
| 16:01.29 | KatolaZ | there has not been any split recently... |
| 16:02.21 | KatolaZ | the last one was at 12:07am UTC |
| 16:02.38 | aslan8649 | one at 08:44:51 another at 09:59:50 |
| 16:02.58 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 16:03.04 | aslan8649 | multiples overnight |
| 16:03.18 | KatolaZ | are you sure it was this channel? |
| 16:03.34 | aslan8649 | -ChanServ- [#devuan] Join us, and celebrate in freedom and justice |
| 16:03.48 | aslan8649 | -ChanServ- [#devuan] Join us, and celebrate in freedom and justice |
| 16:04.03 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: looks more like a disconnection on your side |
| 16:04.06 | KatolaZ | not a netsplit |
| 16:04.08 | aslan8649 | 08:44:51 the first one |
| 16:04.12 | KatolaZ | netsplits are announced in the channel |
| 16:04.21 | KatolaZ | and the last one was at 12:07am UTC |
| 16:04.39 | KatolaZ | -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: malinas, detha, doppo, xrogaan, DeeEff |
| 16:04.53 | KatolaZ | and wasn't "severe" |
| 16:06.24 | aslan8649 | anyway, back to my question :: is there a way to have aptitude just fetch and install the ceres version of VLC and dependent packages? |
| 16:06.59 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: you need a pin |
| 16:07.11 | aslan8649 | ah |
| 16:07.13 | KatolaZ | the problem is that vlc has quite a lot of deps |
| 16:07.26 | aslan8649 | that is so very true. |
| 16:07.40 | aslan8649 | i tried to compile vlc 3.0.2 |
| 16:08.33 | aslan8649 | i tried the Videolan.org Contrib method. kept pulling in more and more libraries. |
| 16:09.03 | aslan8649 | the original issue: is |
| 16:09.18 | aslan8649 | hello, i am have a bizarre problem with VLC under devuan ascii. on two laptop computers running devuan ascii VLC 2.2.7 runs correctly. It displays the english subtitle for the Austria Television Program DVD. The Devuan Server running Ascii and VLC 2.2.7 does not display the subtitles. |
| 16:09.32 | aslan8649 | I thought of downloading the Debian version of VLC which is at 2.7.8. but I really do not want to "mix and match" I would rather stay within Devuan. |
| 16:10.06 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: but the same 2.2.7 version works on another install, right? |
| 16:10.15 | KatolaZ | so the problem is not the version |
| 16:10.37 | aslan8649 | the two laptop computers are running Devuan Ascii and vlc 2.7.7 |
| 16:10.53 | KatolaZ | and it works... |
| 16:10.57 | KatolaZ | so... |
| 16:10.58 | aslan8649 | the large server is running Devuan ASCII and vlc 2.7.7 |
| 16:11.06 | KatolaZ | the problem is not in the version |
| 16:11.16 | KatolaZ | 'cause it's the same software |
| 16:11.17 | aslan8649 | there is something different between the computers. |
| 16:11.21 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:11.31 | KatolaZ | which you won't solve by changing version |
| 16:11.34 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:11.44 | aslan8649 | something is interfereing with vlc 2.7.7 |
| 16:11.49 | xrogaan | heh? |
| 16:12.08 | aslan8649 | upgrade to 3.0.2 and see if interfences goes away. |
| 16:12.22 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: are you sure you have the subtitles on the machine that does not show them? |
| 16:12.38 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: this is not the way to do debugging, I am afraid |
| 16:12.39 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:12.45 | KatolaZ | 2.2.7 is working fine for you |
| 16:12.51 | aslan8649 | it is the same media file being shared via nfs between all computers |
| 16:12.59 | KatolaZ | so the problem is most probably *elsewhere*,not in the vlc version |
| 16:13.17 | bozonius | KatolaZ: ascii with chromium v57 is working... great! |
| 16:13.45 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: you should check the permissions on the file |
| 16:13.56 | bozonius | I ran the headset at duolingo for about 2 hours (not every exercise requires mic input, though) without incident. |
| 16:14.00 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, this is true. not debating that. I am trying to move VLC 2.7.7 out of the way so to speak |
| 16:14.01 | KatolaZ | and whether all the clients are accessing the share with the same credentials, for instance |
| 16:14.13 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: it's your call |
| 16:14.19 | KatolaZ | it's already working |
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| 16:14.28 | KatolaZ | so upgrading will most probably not solve your problem |
| 16:14.34 | KatolaZ | upgrading is not *the* *solution* |
| 16:14.47 | KatolaZ | especially if you don't have a clue about what is the cause of the problem |
| 16:14.57 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, i am an B.S.E.E. university of illinois urbana-champaign, 66 years old. i make computers sing and dance . I think i know how to troubleshoot. |
| 16:15.08 | KatolaZ | great |
| 16:15.10 | KatolaZ | go on then |
| 16:15.13 | KatolaZ | and good luck :) |
| 16:16.14 | aslan8649 | i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee laptop-01-devuan |
| 16:16.19 | aslan8649 | i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee laptop-02-devuan |
| 16:16.28 | aslan8649 | i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee server-00-devuan |
| 16:16.53 | aslan8649 | i have diffed the *-??-devuan to determine what is different |
| 16:17.12 | aslan8649 | they are all the same. |
| 16:17.34 | KatolaZ | so the problem is vlc?!? |
| 16:17.44 | KatolaZ | how do you access the share? |
| 16:19.17 | bozonius | is a happy, but slightly concerned, camper |
| 16:20.18 | aslan8649 | something is different. |
| 16:20.22 | bozonius | ascii's v66 version of chromium seems to break USB mic input. I have not tested jack headset though I could |
| 16:21.16 | aslan8649 | short of doing a byte by byte comparison of the computers I am trying to move "the one obvious symptom" out of the way. |
| 16:21.29 | aslan8649 | The share is NFS |
| 16:22.05 | aslan8649 | the disk is physically on the server. the laptop computers mount the drive over nfs |
| 16:24.45 | aslan8649 | the server is AMD motherboard with 64GB of memory. 15 TB of disk space |
| 16:25.21 | aslan8649 | the laptop computers are a Toshiba with 1tb and 16gb. an HP with 1 TB and 16GB |
| 16:26.01 | aslan8649 | the laptop use Intel chip sets the server uses AMD and ATI chipsets. |
| 16:26.30 | debdog | mayhap vlc provides a log which contains info about whether it found a subtitle and if so, why it isn't loaded/displayed. |
| 16:26.47 | aslan8649 | debdog, no such luck. |
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| 16:28.00 | debdog | well, worth a shot |
| 16:28.05 | debdog | ...it was |
| 16:28.08 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, if the vlc 3.0.2 version were to have the same issue than I would boot the old Debian Stretch disk and start from there. |
| 16:30.03 | KatolaZ | aslan8649: are you accessing the nfs share using the same credentials on the three machines? |
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| 16:30.45 | KatolaZ | bbl |
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| 17:31.32 | stanz | Morning folks..I'm trying to tweak a '.sh', I notice 'systemctl' and wonder if that is part of 'systemd' stuff? |
| 17:34.05 | debdog | sysctl or systemctl? |
| 17:34.58 | stanz | systemctl |
| 17:35.12 | debdog | http://www.ebugg-i.com/technology/linux/what-is-systemctl-linux-command.html |
| 17:36.46 | stanz | kewl, thx. |
| 17:37.45 | stanz | i'll need to change that then. will bookmark that site! |
| 17:38.07 | muep | some scripts can check if they should run systemctl or service or something from /etc/init.d or something from /etc/rc.d |
| 17:38.47 | muep | for things that don't want to check what is available, calling /sbin/service is fairly portable if the service name happens to match |
| 17:39.29 | stanz | "Deep breath here" I |
| 17:39.58 | stanz | learning.. |
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| 17:43.16 | stanz | line of interest is "systemctl stop NetworkManager", we use wicd, which I can '/etc/init.d/wicd stop/start = or the likes.' |
| 17:44.08 | muep | that service name is also likely for Fedora or its derivatives instead of debian-like systems |
| 17:44.23 | muep | try replacing it with /sbin/service network-manager stop |
| 17:47.13 | stanz | it's debian-based 'ParrotSec', full systemd. I'm trying to 'de-systemd' it. |
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| 17:47.52 | stanz | Believe I'd /sbin/service wicd stop/start ? |
| 17:48.00 | muep | yes |
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| 17:48.37 | muep | if you are using sysvinit based services, you can get the service names by looking at /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:49.37 | stanz | I'm using ascii, i'll check whats installed. |
| 17:50.43 | stanz | yep - /etc/init.d/wicd |
| 17:52.01 | stanz | and yep - sysvinit, installed. |
| 17:53.29 | stanz | on to tweak & test ~~ thx much muep! |
| 17:53.57 | muep | you are welcome |
| 17:56.46 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, to answer your question concerning the NFS drive. yes. |
| 17:57.51 | aslan8649 | the exportfs entry for all machines are identical except for hostname. the /etc/fstab entry are the same on all computers. |
| 17:58.37 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, I am starting to think that it is a "font" issue. |
| 17:59.58 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, right now dealing with attempting to purge dummy transitional packages which appear to have "hard" deps. |
| 18:00.21 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, tracking those down at the moment. |
| 18:01.14 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, also collecting all the deps for vlc-3.0.2 |
| 18:01.35 | aslan8649 | KatolaZ, vlc reminds me of Topsy |
| 18:10.46 | aslan8649 | just growing and growing without thought nor control. getting bigger and bigger. |
| 18:11.01 | MinceR | that's what she said. |
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| 18:21.38 | bozonius | skype for ascii? or only from skype's website download (skypeforlinux)? |
| 18:25.00 | bozonius | I know skype sucks, but it IS popular. I might want to use it to talk to Windows users. If you know of a better tool, I'm ears, as long as it works with non-linux devices |
| 18:25.29 | bozonius | bbs (coffee) |
| 18:26.25 | MinceR | Mumble, WebRTC, Tox, Matrix |
| 18:26.34 | MinceR | XMPP/Jingle |
| 18:28.01 | MinceR | even teamspeak is less cancerous than skype |
| 18:28.46 | gnarface | aslan8649: yesterday i asked you if you'd already checked ascii-backports for a newer version of vlc and you never answered me (maybe due to the disconnect) |
| 18:29.44 | gnarface | aslan8649: however i agree with KatolaZ that it doesn't seem very likely to be the culprit here. it seems to me like you've overlooked the most obvious first debugging step which should be to diff the `dpkg -l` output on all 3 machines and figure out which package is missing from the one that isn't working |
| 18:30.19 | gnarface | there's a slim chance it's some sort of video driver issue but even that seems highly unlikely since about 2006 or so |
| 18:30.31 | gnarface | it's most likely a missing package for rendering the actual subtitles |
| 18:30.37 | gnarface | maybe a font glyph package like you say |
| 18:30.42 | gnarface | or maybe a subtitle library |
| 18:31.11 | gnarface | but there is also some slight possibility of a corrupted user config file (sometimes upgrading between certain versions can corrupt them) |
| 18:31.42 | gnarface | so another thing you should have tried would have been purging the user's config files, or running it from a fresh user directory |
| 18:33.27 | gnarface | aslan8649: now, i agree with you VLC has plenty of quality control issues, but your assertion that it's doing something different on 1 of 3 identical installs still beggars belief |
| 18:33.54 | gnarface | some primary assumption is flawed here, and i'm betting on it being the part about the 3 installs actually being identical |
| 18:35.11 | gnarface | on the very strange chance it might be video driver related, i'd expect other observable misbehaviors in the video driver related to compositing transparent layers together |
| 18:36.51 | bozonius | cant find a client for webrtc, just web page ui |
| 18:37.40 | bozonius | nothing found for tox either |
| 18:38.11 | gnarface | bozonius: you can use vlc to set up an ad-hoc peer-2-peer video chat in a pinch |
| 18:38.20 | gnarface | it's hardly a chat network |
| 18:38.32 | gnarface | but it can be done |
| 18:38.35 | bozonius | huh |
| 18:38.45 | bozonius | but isn't another user here having issues with vlc? |
| 18:39.01 | gnarface | someone somewhere is always having issues with vlc, i wouldn't let that deter you |
| 18:39.45 | bozonius | I installed mumble, but I can't find the others MinceR listed |
| 18:40.24 | muep | my impression is that at least webrtc is a protocol rather than a piece of software |
| 18:40.34 | bozonius | me too |
| 18:40.35 | gnarface | bozonius: pidgin is the popular xmpp client |
| 18:40.41 | MinceR | indeed, those are all protocols |
| 18:40.56 | MinceR | you can use WebRTC via a sufficiently bloated browser and https://hubl.in/ , for example |
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| 18:41.31 | MinceR | i don't know if pidgin can use Jingle, but iirc Jitsi can |
| 18:42.11 | MinceR | hm, apparently Pidgin supports it too |
| 18:45.39 | bozonius | gnarface: I had tried pidgin on jessie with my headset to no avail, but I'll try again on ascii |
| 18:49.00 | gnarface | bozonius: well mumble doesn't do video, but i'd choose that for voice over pidgin |
| 18:49.39 | gnarface | bozonius: also check out ekiga |
| 18:50.19 | bozonius | ah yes, akiga! I used to use that, long ago. On mandrake I think |
| 18:50.34 | gnarface | it's probably the closest thing to skype you're gonna find other than skype |
| 18:50.52 | debdog | after some research I am going to give Tox a trial. it has chat, audio, video and is available for the common OSes |
| 18:50.59 | bozonius | ekiga was like pidgin, |
| 18:53.18 | bozonius | is ekiga on windows? |
| 18:53.45 | bozonius | if not it will limit me |
| 18:53.57 | MinceR | it is also on winblows |
| 18:54.10 | MinceR | also, it uses SIP and H.323 so other users aren't limited to Ekiga |
| 18:54.52 | bozonius | kool,MinceR |
| 18:55.25 | jonadab | bozonius: Yes, Ekiga is available for Windows. |
| 18:58.19 | gnarface | someone alleged to me that skype is actually a ripoff of ekiga |
| 18:58.37 | gnarface | (that or the gnome-meeting project it came from) |
| 18:59.21 | gnarface | i don't know if that's true |
| 18:59.43 | MinceR | lol |
| 18:59.54 | MinceR | they suck at ripping off in that case |
| 19:01.45 | gnarface | i've never actually used either, so i don't know |
| 19:02.14 | gnarface | i can help you set up ad-hoc video chat with ffmpeg and ssh tunnels though |
| 19:02.27 | gnarface | it's more fun than it sounds :) |
| 19:03.59 | bozonius | ekiga works fine with my headset on ascii |
| 19:04.13 | bozonius | have to launch it with apulse |
| 19:04.25 | bozonius | but volume controls in ekiga don't do anything |
| 19:04.32 | MinceR | Ekiga uses open protocols, skype uses obfuscated proprietary crap |
| 19:05.56 | gnarface | bozonius: are you able to control the volume with pavucontrol (if using pulseaudio) or alsamixer (if not)? |
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| 19:06.02 | bozonius | always manages to find a problem... |
| 19:06.12 | bozonius | I'll try that nexxt |
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| 19:06.28 | gnarface | oh, you said apulse |
| 19:06.29 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 19:23.55 | bozonius | ekiga works with my usb headset, but it is a bit finicky; sometimes it stops working (no echo) |
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| 19:25.02 | bozonius | gnarface: yes, playing with alsamixer does allow me to adjust the sound. |
| 19:25.41 | bozonius | ekiga emits messages like: (ekiga:21755): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 9599 was not found when attempting to remove it |
| 19:26.08 | bozonius | when I google it, there are hits dating back 5 years, one saying these messages can be ignored |
| 19:26.21 | gnarface | glib and gtk are often noisy on other programs |
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| 19:27.25 | bozonius | ekiga even crashed one time |
| 19:27.38 | bozonius | (ekiga:21755): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 9599 was not found when attempting to remove it |
| 19:27.49 | bozonius | (ekiga:21755): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 9599 was not found when attempting to remove it |
| 19:27.58 | bozonius | oops |
| 19:28.00 | gnarface | you got the latest version of everything? it kinda looks like it's losing a dialogue window or something |
| 19:28.01 | bozonius | hold on |
| 19:28.13 | bozonius | The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. |
| 19:28.23 | bozonius | Assertion fail: Function pthread_mutex_lock failed, file ptlib/unix/tlibthrd.cxx, line 1552, Error=107 |
| 19:28.42 | bozonius | yes, of course. This is a fresh install of ascii (yesterday) but I'll do an update right now |
| 19:28.47 | gnarface | yea that often happens after something crashes and the window manager can't find the window that was supposed to open |
| 19:29.10 | gnarface | if the window was a video window, this could be a driver issue |
| 19:29.22 | bozonius | no video...not yet |
| 19:29.27 | bozonius | still working on sound! |
| 19:29.37 | gnarface | oh |
| 19:29.38 | gnarface | right |
| 19:29.44 | bozonius | huh, chromium update |
| 19:30.02 | bozonius | I hope it doesn't break sound again... |
| 19:30.05 | bozonius | oh nuts! |
| 19:30.10 | bozonius | i forgot to pin it! |
| 19:30.12 | bozonius | dang |
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| 19:55.54 | aslan8649 | gnarface, i have all ready mentioned that I had done the dokg -l on all three machines. <aslan8649> i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee laptop-01-devuan |
| 19:55.55 | aslan8649 | <aslan8649> i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee laptop-02-devuan |
| 19:55.55 | aslan8649 | <aslan8649> i have run "dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort | tee server-00-devuan |
| 19:56.30 | aslan8649 | gnarface, they are all the same. |
| 19:56.52 | aslan8649 | gnarface, ascii-backports does not have anything. |
| 19:57.05 | aslan8649 | gnarface, been there done that. |
| 19:57.25 | gnarface | aslan8649: ok, so what about the user configs? did you try a fresh user or just purge the old per-user config from its home directory? |
| 19:57.39 | aslan8649 | i am checking "fonts" at the moment. |
| 19:58.16 | aslan8649 | trying to rid myself of the "dummy transitional" packages. |
| 19:59.37 | aslan8649 | gnarface, i have tried multiple different users, virgin accounts, same results. so it is not user specific. |
| 19:59.49 | gnarface | ok |
| 19:59.53 | aslan8649 | gnarface, it appears to be global |
| 20:00.30 | gnarface | the systems, are they all set to the same locale? |
| 20:00.58 | gnarface | `dpkg-reconfigure locales` |
| 20:01.09 | aslan8649 | gnarface, yes, the three computers are within a 2 meter diameter circle. |
| 20:01.21 | gnarface | i mean the setting of the locales package :-p |
| 20:01.24 | gnarface | not their physical location |
| 20:01.24 | bozonius | ascii: synaptic pacage manager does not run from menu. THe reason is it wants authorization from root. I can run it from a root shell ok |
| 20:01.45 | aslan8649 | gnarface, i know what you meant and i said that they are identical. |
| 20:02.48 | gnarface | aslan8649: vlc is usually pretty noisy in console output if you start it from a shell. have you run a diff of the vlc outputs? |
| 20:02.58 | aslan8649 | gnarface, it is something really odd and probably bizarre. |
| 20:03.31 | gnarface | well vlc may still complain about it visibly, but it may be easy to lose in the noise of all the other stuff it complains about |
| 20:03.51 | aslan8649 | gnarface, been there done that. other than time differences in the output they are eassentially identical |
| 20:04.32 | gnarface | pretty weird, for sure |
| 20:05.19 | fsmithred | bozonius, it's a known problem. pkexec seems to be broken in debian stretch, too. Doesn't work in xfce. |
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| 20:06.29 | aslan8649 | synaptic package manager runs from the menu here. devuan ascii. |
| 20:06.45 | fsmithred | aslan8649, what desktop? |
| 20:06.55 | aslan8649 | synaptic package manager runs from the menu here. it also worked in debian stretch |
| 20:07.01 | aslan8649 | xfce4 |
| 20:07.13 | fsmithred | weird. |
| 20:07.18 | aslan8649 | three computers all work |
| 20:07.25 | fsmithred | hasn't worked for me in any xfce install, devuan or debian |
| 20:07.39 | aslan8649 | works for me. |
| 20:07.48 | fsmithred | oh, you have your user in sudo group, I'll bet |
| 20:08.08 | fsmithred | it works in that case |
| 20:09.18 | aslan8649 | no it asks me for the root password |
| 20:09.30 | fsmithred | wtf? |
| 20:09.58 | fsmithred | how did you install? |
| 20:10.58 | aslan8649 | with aptitude |
| 20:11.07 | aslan8649 | wait one. |
| 20:11.10 | fsmithred | ok |
| 20:13.24 | aslan8649 | http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/synaptic.dir/ |
| 20:13.57 | aslan8649 | screenshots |
| 20:14.16 | aslan8649 | pictures tell the entire story |
| 20:14.48 | fsmithred | I'd like to see the installed package list |
| 20:14.50 | bozonius | fsmithred: thanks |
| 20:14.55 | fsmithred | dpkg -l > pkglist |
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| 20:17.22 | aslan8649 | http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/synaptic.dir/devuan-package-list |
| 20:17.26 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 20:18.27 | aslan8649 | fsmithred, anything else, milk and cookies perhaps? |
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| 20:18.41 | fsmithred | already have a cup of coffee, thanks |
| 20:18.45 | fsmithred | maybe cookies |
| 20:19.34 | aslan8649 | i only have diabetic friendly cookies |
| 20:20.08 | fsmithred | no-sugar-added is ok, but fake-sweetener-added I will pass. |
| 20:20.31 | aslan8649 | splenda, the sweetner for diabetics |
| 20:20.51 | aslan8649 | shoots insulin 4 times a day. |
| 20:21.01 | bozonius | pin chromium: File "Package Chromium Pin: release o=Debian a=jessie Pin-Priority: 500" is that close? |
| 20:21.09 | aslan8649 | also lives on morphine |
| 20:21.12 | bozonius | (3 lines) |
| 20:21.27 | bozonius | tramadol makes bozonius happy |
| 20:21.30 | fsmithred | n=jessie |
| 20:21.44 | fsmithred | and can probably skip the o=Debian |
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| 20:22.30 | bozonius | fsmithred: Made your changes, but still wants to upgrade chromium |
| 20:22.36 | bozonius | (using -s to apt-get) |
| 20:22.52 | aslan8649 | bozonius, why i am diabetic and live on morphine; http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/accident-pictures.dir/ridder_accident_pictures_024-equalized.jpg |
| 20:23.17 | aslan8649 | http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/accident-pictures.dir/ridder_accident_pictures_022-equalized.jpg |
| 20:23.20 | bozonius | no need to explain, aslan8649. We all deal with various health issues... |
| 20:23.41 | fsmithred | first line should be |
| 20:23.47 | fsmithred | Package: chromium |
| 20:24.00 | aslan8649 | bozonius, there are things worst than death, surviving a head-on-collision is one of those. |
| 20:25.06 | fsmithred | is it still considered head-on when the attack is from the air? |
| 20:25.16 | aslan8649 | bozonius, my entire body is a health issue. |
| 20:25.49 | bozonius | fsmithred: How should line 2 and 3 look, just to be complete? |
| 20:25.58 | aslan8649 | accorning to the police it is. even though the Toyota 4RUnner landed on my van head-on. |
| 20:26.18 | fsmithred | I think you need to pin the exact version |
| 20:26.24 | fsmithred | I'll have to find an example |
| 20:27.00 | bozonius | sure it is "n" not "a" because these examples show it that way, but idk: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 20:27.12 | bozonius | (updated in March 2018 I think) |
| 20:27.15 | aslan8649 | well, be back later, have stuff to get done. my service dogs want to go out side for a bit. |
| 20:27.37 | golinux | aslan8649: Has explained his situation before. Cause and effect denies the theory of random events. |
| 20:27.37 | fsmithred | n for name (codename) a for archive |
| 20:28.10 | fsmithred | Pin: version 0.57 (or whatever it is) |
| 20:29.05 | bozonius | 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1 |
| 20:29.10 | bozonius | all that? ^^ |
| 20:29.27 | fsmithred | well, that'll keep it at that exact version |
| 20:29.44 | fsmithred | if you did 57.0* you would get updates if they start with 57.0 |
| 20:29.45 | bozonius | what priority? |
| 20:29.58 | fsmithred | 1001 will definitely keep it at that version |
| 20:30.14 | fsmithred | but anything higher than 500 should be ok |
| 20:30.28 | bozonius | ah, perfect. thanks |
| 20:30.32 | bozonius | that works |
| 20:30.35 | fsmithred | 1001 will cause it to downgrade to the version you want (if a higher one is already installed) |
| 20:30.55 | bozonius | but if an update to 57 comes, it will do the update |
| 20:31.26 | bozonius | even if it doesn't I hope that the newest v66 will fix the problems |
| 20:31.55 | fsmithred | if you use 57* then you will get newer 57.x updates |
| 20:32.27 | bozonius | 57.* |
| 20:33.03 | fsmithred | well, yeah, that'll prevent you from getting version 570 when it comes along |
| 20:33.24 | bozonius | at the present rate, that should be in...about... idk, 3 months? |
| 20:33.30 | bozonius | j/k |
| 20:33.35 | fsmithred | lol, yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 20:33.50 | bozonius | buggy and untested as all hell, as usual, prob |
| 20:34.08 | bozonius | anyway, this is working. I've never done pins before |
| 20:35.20 | bozonius | but I am wondering what this means for chromium, and maybe for firefox also. I'm not sure if its alsa or chromium that is preventing the mic from working with usb headset |
| 20:35.31 | bozonius | v57 works fine |
| 20:35.34 | bozonius | v66 does not |
| 20:35.47 | bozonius | not even sure how to proceed to sort it out |
| 20:36.02 | bozonius | or if I am supposed to (it would seem I aught to given I am a user of devuan) |
| 20:36.14 | bozonius | (and, apparently, the only one with a usb headset) |
| 20:37.31 | fsmithred | bozonius, 'man apt_preferences' to read about pinning |
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| 21:48.28 | aslan8649 | golinux ???? |
| 21:50.42 | aslan8649 | lions tigers and pinning oh my!!! |
| 21:51.21 | aslan8649 | is pinning like being "smurf"ed |
| 21:52.21 | aslan8649 | thinks they are too young to remember the smurfs |
| 21:55.51 | aslan8649 | ah dinner time. |
| 22:02.59 | golinux | aslan8649: Or too old to care about such silliness |
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| 22:19.06 | aslan8649 | golinux, i am confused by your cause and effect statement. |
| 22:20.09 | aslan8649 | golinux, i have seen far too much death to forsake silliness from time to time. |
| 22:22.34 | aslan8649 | golinux, i am a throw the windows open let the fresh air flow through the rooms. let the floral fragrances mingle with the smells of the rooms. |
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| 22:42.20 | aslan8649 | golinux, any guess what the average age of a devuan user is? |
| 22:43.13 | aslan8649 | golinux, i lean toward the closer to the grave than the cradle age range. |
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| 23:47.42 | aslan8649 | there are 7 packages that should be upgraded but are being held for some unexplained reason. http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/devuan-package-issue.dir/ are two screenshots of aptitude showing the held packages. any hints as to how to resolve this issue would be most appreciated. |
| 23:56.58 | bozonius | should I report a bug to chromium, that their v66 browser breaks usb mic input on devuan? And does anyone else here have any experience with usb headsets on ascii? |
| 23:58.36 | bozonius | I doubt that alsa is suspect, given that audacity and command line alsa tools do work correctly |
| 23:59.01 | bozonius | but I don't want to start a fire where one is not warranted. Perhaps there is more to consider? |
| 23:59.14 | gnarface | they may have simply changed how chromium chooses the default mic input |
| 23:59.33 | gnarface | it might be worth trying to force the usb headset to default with a custom ~/.asoundrc |
