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| 00:07.18 | Demosthenex | yeah, i understand completely' |
| 00:07.29 | Demosthenex | yet borgmatic is a script. it just fails to integrate logging. there's an open issue on github about it |
| 00:07.56 | Demosthenex | on aix cron just disables special chars. no ` or $() |
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| 00:31.28 | msi | i've just upgrated from to ascii and there are quite some problems now. |
| 00:32.10 | golinux | Did you get the newest key first? |
| 00:32.41 | msi | golinux: i don't think this is about a repo key. |
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| 00:32.57 | golinux | I assume you meant from jessie to ascii |
| 00:33.03 | msi | when i start X (using startx), the whole thing feezes up. |
| 00:33.22 | msi | golinux: yes, sorry. that's correct. |
| 00:34.00 | msi | i can currently only do anything through the command line |
| 00:34.00 | golinux | There is stuuf on the forum about frozen X iirc |
| 00:34.14 | debdog | msi: freezes up as in black screen and no abvious reaction to input? |
| 00:34.22 | msi | which is why i'm writing this from irssi |
| 00:34.30 | golinux | This is not a new issue |
| 00:34.33 | msi | debdog: no obvious reaction to input. |
| 00:34.47 | msi | debdog: but the system doesn't seem to freeze completely |
| 00:35.20 | msi | i can still see my monitoring panel detecting network activity (moving/blinking things) |
| 00:35.37 | msi | so, it doesn't just completely hang up, as far as i can see. |
| 00:36.08 | msi | but, i can't switch to another tty from X anymore. the only thing i can do is hit the power or reset button. |
| 00:36.36 | debdog | are you able to switch to some tty from that stae? like ctrl-alt-F1 or -F7? |
| 00:36.42 | debdog | oh |
| 00:36.46 | msi | debdog: nope... |
| 00:37.00 | xrogaan | Make sure you have the right polkit packages. |
| 00:37.10 | debdog | right, what xrogaan |
| 00:37.12 | debdog | said |
| 00:37.25 | msi | xrogaan: polkit? why does this have to do anything with polkit? |
| 00:37.39 | debdog | it's complicated :P |
| 00:37.45 | xrogaan | because it's necessary to start a session. |
| 00:38.00 | xrogaan | and if it can't start the polkit thingy, it'll wait forever |
| 00:38.03 | debdog | (I don't get it myself but has something to do with xorg and secruity) |
| 00:38.06 | msi | xrogaan: i don't have session management, afaik. |
| 00:38.40 | msi | xrogaan: i just use openbox plus an instance of dbus. |
| 00:38.45 | xrogaan | no diplay manager? |
| 00:39.09 | msi | no |
| 00:39.14 | msi | just startx |
| 00:39.16 | KatolaZ | msi: are you starting X from startx? |
| 00:39.21 | msi | yes |
| 00:39.32 | debdog | mayhap xorg.0.log can shed some light on it |
| 00:39.38 | KatolaZ | msi: you have to seet a config |
| 00:39.40 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 00:39.41 | xrogaan | what is in the Xorg.0.log && .xsession-error? |
| 00:39.50 | msi | with "exec dbus-launch --exec-with-session openbox-session" |
| 00:40.09 | msi | (openbox-session not being any kind of session, btw) |
| 00:40.16 | KatolaZ | msi: add "needs_root_rights=yes" in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf |
| 00:40.20 | msi | xrogaan: let me see |
| 00:40.43 | msi | KatolaZ: ok, i'll do that. |
| 00:41.17 | msi | KatolaZ: but then i'm running X as root, which i thought i wouldn't have to do anymore... |
| 00:42.01 | KatolaZ | msi: ask fsmithred |
| 00:42.27 | fsmithred | msi, add libpam-elogind to run X as user |
| 00:42.55 | msi | fsmithred: but i would have to use a login manager then, wouldn't i? |
| 00:43.02 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.06 | fsmithred | startx |
| 00:43.13 | msi | ok |
| 00:44.23 | msi | installed that, will try to run X now, might freeze, let's see. thanks so far. |
| 00:45.40 | xrogaan | I can't start a DE until auth.log gets dbus[1877]: [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit': timed out |
| 00:46.25 | xrogaan | Can't login from tty either, I have to wait. I still don't know why it times out. |
| 00:46.52 | fsmithred | xrogaan, which DE and DM? |
| 00:47.03 | xrogaan | any |
| 00:47.08 | xrogaan | I can't login from tty either. |
| 00:47.25 | xrogaan | I can't get into the system until the consolekit stuff times out. |
| 00:47.44 | fsmithred | is consolekit installed? |
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| 00:48.03 | xrogaan | It may be because of a misconfiguration somewhere, but I don't know what to verify / reinstall. |
| 00:48.15 | msiism | ok, it froze again. |
| 00:48.24 | xrogaan | yeah, consolekit is working properly after that, it's the dbus thing that shits the fan. |
| 00:48.28 | msiism | KatolaZ: ould you give me that line again for Xwrapper? |
| 00:48.37 | KatolaZ | msi: add "needs_root_rights=yes" in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf |
| 00:48.41 | KatolaZ | good night |
| 00:48.44 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 00:48.46 | KatolaZ | o7 |
| 00:48.48 | msiism | thanks |
| 00:48.51 | KatolaZ | o\ |
| 00:48.56 | fsmithred | g'night K |
| 00:50.11 | xrogaan | fsmithred: http://dpaste.com/27S98RP |
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| 00:50.55 | xrogaan | the 5 minutes between is me grabbing coffee :p |
| 00:51.03 | fsmithred | yeah, I believed you. I don't know what any of that means. |
| 00:51.34 | fsmithred | that's worse than the 30-second delay on shutting down encrypted systems |
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| 00:52.14 | fsmithred | 5 minute delay makes me think you're running systemd. It loves those 5-min delays. |
| 00:52.50 | xrogaan | Ah, no, the delay is usually under a minute. |
| 00:53.46 | fsmithred | well, find the file that has the timeout and change it |
| 00:54.20 | xrogaan | I'd rather fix the service stuff. |
| 00:54.24 | msiism | ok, running the X server with root rights works! (though my cursor theme is not correct. might just stay on the cli because of that (joke)) |
| 00:54.54 | msiism | back in a bit... |
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| 00:58.30 | msiism | ok, is there a central "caveats when upgrading to ascii" document (i should really know...)? i feel like i would like to contribute to that. |
| 00:59.37 | gnarface | the biggest one is just that there seems to be some dependency loops that need to be broken to complete the upgrade process |
| 01:00.07 | gnarface | also eudev is the default instead of udev but i haven't noticed any difference in it's behavior yet (other than the aforementioned dependency loop) |
| 01:00.59 | msiism | well, i'm getting some (e)udev-related error message at boot, as well as complaints about eth0 and things. |
| 01:03.00 | gnarface | i'm gonna need to see the messages to have any chance of telling you more about them |
| 01:04.15 | msiism | right. well, i don't wanna work that out right now, since it's really late where i am. i just wanted to see if there's a central place for documentaing these issues and how to fix them already. |
| 01:05.23 | gnarface | oh, i think there is a thread on the forums but i don't know the link |
| 01:05.29 | gnarface | sorry |
| 01:05.47 | gnarface | i mean, i know the link to the forums, but not to the specific thread |
| 01:06.26 | gnarface | there seems to be a couple variations, maybe based on whether the install was upgraded from a debian install at some point in it's history or not |
| 01:06.31 | xrogaan | stupid question: why aren't the forums under the devuan brand name? |
| 01:07.23 | xrogaan | it'll probably help with people googling |
| 01:07.39 | gnarface | xrogaan: as near as i can understand it, it's simply because someone donated a finished forum along with the domain it was hosted at, at an early point in the project when it saved a lot of other people's time to do so |
| 01:07.41 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.45 | gnarface | i agree that it confuses the branding issue and opens the doors for imposters |
| 01:10.23 | gnarface | xrogaan: and it's not a stupid question. in fact, it's a litmus test for people smart enough to be concerned about it |
| 01:11.50 | xrogaan | I'm not smart, I just find the name "dev1galaxy" to be silly. |
| 01:12.20 | gnarface | eh, it could be worse |
| 01:14.24 | gnarface | also, i'm sorry to inform you that the capacity to question your own intelligence is in itself a dead giveaway for intelligence |
| 01:14.46 | gnarface | most stupid people think they really know what's going on |
| 01:15.59 | xrogaan | there is always a ceiling. |
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| 01:30.57 | xrogaan | oh, seamonkey is still a thing. |
| 01:39.18 | xrogaan | is /etc/dbus-1/system.d part of the systemd thing or something normal for dbus? |
| 01:41.52 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.16 | fsmithred | those should be the ones that the admin can change and they won't get clobbered on upgrade |
| 01:42.20 | xrogaan | consolekit does come with some systemd garbage. |
| 01:42.21 | fsmithred | that's the theory, anyway |
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| 01:46.32 | xrogaan | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit seems to start the dbus consolekit thing. |
| 01:46.46 | bozonius | is CERTAIN he does not know what is going on |
| 01:47.01 | xrogaan | I don't know what I'm looking for. |
| 01:47.18 | bozonius | I had a usb hub die on me |
| 01:47.32 | bozonius | it is still not working. Luckily, other ports are still working |
| 01:47.38 | rrq | many packages has droppings into /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ |
| 01:47.44 | rrq | have |
| 01:47.47 | bozonius | (different distro, different machine) |
| 01:48.06 | bozonius | prob I need to clean the port with some compressed air. |
| 01:48.35 | fsmithred | sometimes they get loose |
| 01:49.09 | fsmithred | does it work sometimes? |
| 01:49.11 | xrogaan | oh |
| 01:49.35 | xrogaan | Could it be that Xsession is being used by slim, but because there is no actual session ConsoleKit can't start? |
| 01:49.54 | xrogaan | can't start for slim, that is. |
| 01:50.12 | xrogaan | Could it be that simple? |
| 01:50.43 | bozonius | could be. But about a year ago, I thought one of my disks was dying. Got numerous hard errors from the disk driver in kernel logs. So I spent over $200 on some new drives. But when I moved it from one bay to another, it worked again, flawlessly. So I got to googling, and it seems the connectors can get a layer of residue and they advised simply cleaning the connectors. |
| 01:51.10 | bozonius | So I did that, and voila! all was good again. Now I'm trying to figure out what to do with all the new drives I bought. |
| 01:51.23 | xrogaan | Send them to me. :> |
| 01:51.28 | bozonius | :) |
| 01:51.49 | bozonius | Maybe I should donate them to a Linux project somewhere, or at least make the space available. |
| 01:52.15 | xrogaan | launch another sdf.eu |
| 01:52.25 | xrogaan | nevermind that |
| 01:52.27 | xrogaan | wait |
| 01:52.38 | xrogaan | it's sdf-eu.org |
| 01:52.44 | bozonius | what is it? |
| 01:53.12 | xrogaan | Super Dimension Fortress EU |
| 01:53.19 | bozonius | gaming site? |
| 01:53.53 | xrogaan | i'll quote you the website `We are a networked community of free software authors, teachers, students, researchers, hobbyists, enthusiasts and the blind. The SDF-EU is supported by its members and is an independent subsidiary of the non-profit SDF Public Access UNIX System. ` |
| 01:54.21 | xrogaan | basically, UNIX for all. |
| 01:54.25 | bozonius | oh |
| 01:54.27 | bozonius | anime |
| 01:54.49 | xrogaan | ... No? |
| 01:55.19 | bozonius | wiki says it is an anime tv series from 1982 |
| 01:55.41 | bozonius | xrogaan: I am leery of links people post |
| 01:55.51 | xrogaan | Well keep being wrong then. |
| 01:55.55 | bozonius | ok |
| 01:55.58 | bozonius | fair enough |
| 01:56.31 | bozonius | fsmithred: I did not notice it being loose, but I did try and re-try the port. The log show an error. |
| 01:56.37 | bozonius | *logs |
| 01:57.00 | xrogaan | (sdf.eu was a wrong link, no idea what that is but it looks weird) |
| 01:57.50 | bozonius | I googled the error and I read a few entries, and someone said that it can be an old mainboard starting to go. Anothr said reboot will fix it. Maybe need a cold boot. |
| 01:58.29 | bozonius | I just rebooted a few days ago for kernel update on the host where I run vbox |
| 01:58.45 | bozonius | so I'd like to avoid that again. |
| 01:59.16 | bozonius | btw, it was during testing ascii that (maybe coincidentally, idk) my whole system froze up, host and VMs |
| 01:59.26 | bozonius | not pointing a finger, but it was odd |
| 01:59.57 | bozonius | the host had been up for over a month prior, and I only warm booted for the kernel update |
| 02:00.05 | bozonius | this was before the usb error/failure |
| 02:00.22 | bozonius | Uncle Google sure knows a lot of stuff! |
| 02:03.34 | fsmithred | I wouldn't expect a loose port to cause errors, but it will cause repeated connect/disconnect if you wiggle a thumb drive in it |
| 02:03.53 | fsmithred | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 02:05.54 | bozonius | Actually, this happened about 20 hours ago. So I think grep might be better |
| 02:06.15 | bozonius | or are you suggesting I wiggle a usb device in the "dead" port? and then view the logs? |
| 02:06.21 | fsmithred | watch messages in real time when you wiggle your stick |
| 02:06.26 | bozonius | ah |
| 02:06.43 | bozonius | it's a pain because it's in back of the machine. |
| 02:07.20 | bozonius | so it will be hard to see this truly in real time, but I don't have a noisy messages log, thankfully |
| 02:08.08 | fsmithred | if the port hasn't been used a lot, that's probably not the issue |
| 02:09.24 | bozonius | that port had the usb kb for months |
| 02:09.31 | bozonius | no issues I can tell |
| 02:10.22 | bozonius | so wiggling it in that port does not generate interrupts in the log |
| 02:10.32 | bozonius | *messages |
| 02:11.50 | bozonius | the port next to it (vertically) still works. I am charging my phone right now |
| 02:12.03 | bozonius | like it is just that ONE port |
| 02:12.11 | bozonius | I expect it to die, at least in pairs |
| 02:13.07 | bozonius | this mainboard is about 7 years old. |
| 02:13.17 | bozonius | I've not had issues with it. |
| 02:13.21 | fsmithred | you tried cleaning it? |
| 02:13.42 | bozonius | the port or the whole board? |
| 02:13.48 | fsmithred | port |
| 02:13.49 | bozonius | not yet |
| 02:13.54 | bozonius | ok hold on |
| 02:13.54 | fsmithred | how do you clean a whole board? |
| 02:14.04 | fsmithred | oh, air |
| 02:14.05 | bozonius | with a few blasts of compressed air |
| 02:14.08 | bozonius | yeah, that stuff |
| 02:14.14 | fsmithred | not dishwasher? |
| 02:14.20 | xrogaan | Bleach maybe? |
| 02:14.56 | bozonius | haven't tried dishwasher yet, but I HAVE had a few boards that could have used such thorough cleaning |
| 02:14.57 | fsmithred | won't that corrode the metal? |
| 02:15.21 | bozonius | I find the 3 foot drop test works wonders for bad boards |
| 02:15.42 | bozonius | it doesn't make them work better, but it sure makes me FEEL better |
| 02:16.01 | fsmithred | I fixed a hard drive once by whacking it firmly against the floor |
| 02:16.14 | bozonius | ok, it is not really a "drop" test |
| 02:16.32 | bozonius | more like something you'd see at WWE or truck pull |
| 02:16.56 | fsmithred | drop therapy |
| 02:16.56 | bozonius | hardware can be fun. |
| 02:16.58 | bozonius | or not. |
| 02:17.02 | bozonius | yes |
| 02:17.05 | bozonius | drop therapy |
| 02:17.24 | bozonius | especially good for proprietary boxes that don't have easily-replacable parts |
| 02:17.34 | fsmithred | the firing-range variant works, too |
| 02:17.44 | bozonius | I don't own firearms |
| 02:17.54 | fsmithred | probably can't rent them, either |
| 02:18.02 | bozonius | but I know some folks who do |
| 02:18.06 | bozonius | not for that, no |
| 02:19.11 | bozonius | one time, I was living on the 14th floor of a tall building and I was having a hard time with one very uncooperative computer. |
| 02:19.20 | bozonius | there were no screens in the windows. |
| 02:19.53 | bozonius | there was a low roof at the first and second floor only. |
| 02:20.10 | bozonius | and it looked like some other people had done the same, so... |
| 02:21.52 | bozonius | It really worked, fsmithred. it was the last time I ever had any problems with that machine. |
| 02:37.14 | xrogaan | You both show usage of hypoaristerolactotherapy. |
| 02:44.43 | furrywolf | ... below left milk treatment? or aristo, best? |
| 02:46.18 | furrywolf | now, admittedly, my greek sucks... but I don't think that's a word. :P |
| 02:48.49 | furrywolf | or is it latin? I'm too tired to care. |
| 02:52.44 | xrogaan | hardware troubleshooting method by kick on the lower left. |
| 02:53.14 | xrogaan | usually accompanied of screams and insults. |
| 02:53.30 | xrogaan | and then tears. |
| 02:53.39 | furrywolf | care to explain the derivation of this term? lacto is pretty universally milk-related... |
| 02:54.52 | fsmithred | should be lacrima |
| 02:55.18 | fsmithred | for tears |
| 02:58.41 | furrywolf | just say "percussive maintenance" like everyone else. :) |
| 03:01.30 | fsmithred | I like it |
| 03:02.01 | fsmithred | that could get slipped into a manual somewhere |
| 03:14.21 | fsmithred | thunderstorm coming. bbl. |
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| 04:00.26 | bozonius | (fsmithred shuts down his equipment and moves to the safety of his underground bunker where his REAL data center is located) |
| 04:03.16 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:03.25 | Xenguy | The Lair |
| 04:04.05 | se7en | Lair 01 |
| 04:04.32 | bozonius | not to be confused with Lair 02, which is an identical facility for redundancy |
| 04:04.59 | Xenguy | Well bloody hell |
| 04:05.26 | furrywolf | mad scientists seem really bad at disaster recovery plans. |
| 04:05.29 | bozonius | ??? that didn't sound very "zen" |
| 04:06.06 | Xenguy | That's why it's "xen" |
| 04:06.12 | Xenguy | = ) |
| 04:06.14 | bozonius | ah, I see. |
| 04:06.16 | bozonius | :p |
| 04:06.46 | Xenguy | furrywolf: They're usually busy causing the disasters |
| 04:07.25 | bozonius | we should be grateful to them then. They are creating jobs for the rest of us |
| 04:08.13 | Xenguy | A windozy colleage once told me with great earnestness: Listen, the truth is, bugs are good for business |
| 04:08.35 | bozonius | I asked a headhunter once if she could get me a job where they MAKE the problems. She just laughed. |
| 04:08.43 | Xenguy | Meanwhile I was learning linux cos (at the time) it looked rock solid'ish |
| 04:08.47 | bozonius | yeah, as if she doesn't know of such places. |
| 04:09.03 | bozonius | that was probably before 2010 or so, xenguy? |
| 04:09.18 | Xenguy | Oh certainly |
| 04:09.32 | bozonius | before the linux world came close to annihilation by The Great Poettering |
| 04:09.45 | Xenguy | I turned 'left' a long time ago ; -) |
| 04:09.57 | Xenguy | bozonius: I do detest that fellow |
| 04:10.05 | bozonius | thankfully, the heroes at Devuan helped to save Linux |
| 04:10.19 | bozonius | I think there should be a holiday |
| 04:10.20 | Xenguy | They are heroes in fact... |
| 04:10.25 | bozonius | yes, they are1 |
| 04:10.28 | bozonius | are! |
| 04:10.31 | Xenguy | I should join #dev somtime |
| 04:10.39 | Xenguy | But time is precious |
| 04:10.49 | Xenguy | I admire those who volunteer |
| 04:11.49 | bozonius | I do neither. I don't volunteer, nor do I work on anything. |
| 04:11.56 | bozonius | I prefer to complain. |
| 04:12.21 | bozonius | oh, and take up space and time |
| 04:13.06 | Xenguy | Criticism is the easiest arte, it's true |
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| 04:53.29 | bozonius | still not getting ekiga echo test to work. I hear the recording, and I can see that ekiga recognizes my input (voice) but it does not echo my voice. |
| 04:53.40 | bozonius | keep in mind this is ascii using USB headset |
| 04:53.50 | bozonius | and that the headset absolutely does work |
| 04:54.06 | gnarface | you may be facing a basic misunderstanding of expected behavior |
| 04:54.10 | bozonius | (I have used it in duolingo, and a few online web mic test pages) |
| 04:54.19 | bozonius | ok |
| 04:54.21 | gnarface | you wouldn't, by default, hear your own voice echoed during recording |
| 04:54.31 | bozonius | ekiga echo test? |
| 04:54.45 | bozonius | maybe you are right. |
| 04:54.59 | bozonius | maybe I fail to understand what I should expect. |
| 04:55.10 | gnarface | it's at the ALSA level. if you go into alsamixer, you'll no doubt see your mic has a volume meter in both the playback AND recording tab; those aren't the same volume meter. one is for "echoing" the other is for recording. you can do either separately |
| 04:55.33 | gnarface | so try ekiga with two clients |
| 04:55.41 | gnarface | maybe the other client will hear you even if you can't hear yourself |
| 04:55.42 | bozonius | ah! so that's what those are for. ol' bozonius didn't realize this. |
| 04:55.44 | gnarface | that's what i'm saying |
| 04:56.22 | bozonius | and ekiga does not need apulse? or does it? |
| 04:56.28 | gnarface | no idea, honestly |
| 04:56.52 | gnarface | most things don't, but sometimes pulse allows you do to it without understanding the alsa config script syntax |
| 04:57.38 | bozonius | looks like both mics are on and way up |
| 04:57.47 | gnarface | oh hmm |
| 04:57.56 | gnarface | on the playback tab look for a "loopback mixing" option and turn it on |
| 04:58.04 | bozonius | ok |
| 04:58.17 | bozonius | nada |
| 04:58.34 | bozonius | this headset apparently has only 3 controls |
| 04:58.49 | gnarface | you're sure you've got alsamixer pointing at the right device, right? alsamixer -c [num] |
| 04:58.50 | bozonius | output: headphone and mic, input: mic |
| 04:58.56 | bozonius | oh yeah |
| 04:59.00 | gnarface | oh, and if you're running pulseaudio, it'll intercept everything and you have to do it through pavucontrol instead |
| 04:59.01 | gnarface | just fyi |
| 04:59.17 | bozonius | it even shows me it is the headset I am twiddling with. The other card has zillions of controls... |
| 04:59.33 | bozonius | no pulse here. No systemd here. |
| 04:59.41 | bozonius | this is a poetter-free zone |
| 04:59.58 | bozonius | it has been depoettered |
| 05:00.07 | gnarface | try testing with arecord | aplay |
| 05:00.14 | bozonius | I did. It works |
| 05:00.18 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:00.36 | gnarface | also, actually if the playback mic is unmuted, and it's selected as an input, you should just hear your voice automatically |
| 05:00.37 | bozonius | I can hear the lady's voice when the echo test starts. I have to listen to 20 secs of that every time I test |
| 05:00.57 | bozonius | unmuted, yes |
| 05:01.02 | bozonius | all 3 are unmuted |
| 05:01.23 | gnarface | hit the spacebar on everything |
| 05:01.29 | bozonius | ok |
| 05:01.35 | gnarface | do you have to maybe set one as the capture device with spacebar? |
| 05:01.59 | gnarface | unfortunately this gets into stuff i can't predict because i'm not familiar with the particular device; that alsamixer interface is dynamically generated |
| 05:02.04 | bozonius | the input mic has capture on -- certainly I dont want to disable that |
| 05:02.38 | gnarface | is there a capture select option where if you hit the up/down buttons you see line-in, mic, etc? |
| 05:02.44 | gnarface | sometimes you have to pair them up |
| 05:02.48 | gnarface | my onboard card is like that |
| 05:02.50 | bozonius | well, unless there is a way to add more controls through alsamixer, I've got 3 controls |
| 05:03.17 | bozonius | select sound card F6 I don't see any other "select" |
| 05:03.41 | xrogaan | is there a reliable way to select a default DE with slim? By default, it falls back to xfce |
| 05:04.21 | gnarface | bozonius: maybe ask in #alsa |
| 05:04.33 | bozonius | ok, thanks gnarface. will do |
| 05:04.34 | gnarface | xrogaan: sorry don't know, i don't use slim |
| 05:04.38 | gnarface | wanders away again |
| 05:04.47 | bozonius | goes to #alsa to tell THEM his troubles... |
| 05:05.08 | xrogaan | we can easily customize slim, but darn it's config file is as slim as it looks |
| 05:05.18 | xrogaan | its |
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| 05:29.28 | se7en | I prefer startx, managed by several X conf files myself |
| 05:29.36 | se7en | TheUNIX-Way(tm) |
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| 08:24.50 | aitor | g'morning |
| 08:27.04 | aitor | i'm multithreading the popupmenu, here you are the new code: |
| 08:27.13 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/popupmenu/ |
| 08:28.53 | aitor | i've recorded a video adding a delay in each thread (see the line nº138 in the menu.c) so you can see how it works: |
| 08:29.03 | aitor | gnuinos.org/popupmenu/popupmenu.mpeg |
| 08:31.31 | aitor | time to coffee, i'll be back shortly |
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| 08:52.03 | aitor | hi again |
| 08:55.47 | aitor | a line was missing at the end of the menu.c: |
| 08:55.49 | aitor | g_free(th); |
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| 13:29.07 | EHeM | One thing which would help Devuan (and Debian) a great deal would be to add a policy that given the choice between linking with libmysqlclient18, libpg5, and libodbc1, they shall link with libodbc1; this leaves the choice of backend to the person installing. |
| 13:30.31 | EHeM | Encouraging patching to take advantage of libtool (and then passing those patches upstream) for all optional libraries would be golden. |
| 13:32.08 | EHeM | My estimate is three-fourths of the libraries installed on this system are required because packages need them for extra functionality I don't use (others may use, so using dlopen()/dlsym() is the best choice). |
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| 14:53.10 | TheBlueWizard | I have been wondering what's going on with Debian ASCII...when will it become stable? TIA for the reply! |
| 14:58.40 | debdog | AFAICS there should be a RC1 'soon' |
| 15:01.08 | TheBlueWizard | hmm...ok. It has been some time since mid-February, and I'm itching to have a *stable* version with the latest version of Linux kernel so I can finally install on various boxes. |
| 15:03.00 | debdog | uhm, it definitely will not ship the _latest_ kernel |
| 15:10.44 | TheBlueWizard | aww...ok |
| 15:11.39 | TheBlueWizard | cuz I'm thinking of meltdown/spectre stuff, and the horrible patching Linux has to endure |
| 15:12.36 | debdog | secutity patches usually go into any LTS kernel |
| 15:12.53 | debdog | s |
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| 15:13.05 | debdog | *kernel versions |
| 15:13.47 | TheBlueWizard | so Devuan ASCII uses LTS version then? If so, I'm fine with that. Stability and security matter |
| 15:14.02 | debdog | yes |
| 15:14.34 | TheBlueWizard | thanks! Hope it get released soon...gotta go now |
| 15:14.44 | debdog | cu! |
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| 17:50.25 | dejdo | good day |
| 17:50.48 | dejdo | what is the officially best way to add module parameters to an auto loaded kernel module? |
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| 17:52.55 | Wasp | Hi, I try to install devuan on sdc1. Before I already had deepin linux in the same place. I went through the GUI installation process, where I also formated sdc1 (just to get poissble coflicts out of the way) but in the end I run into the problem that the installer couldn't install grub |
| 17:53.34 | Wasp | so i am in the GUI rescue mode and tried it by hand and run into the same issue eventhough i am not sure what is wrong |
| 17:55.04 | msiism | dejdo: well, if it's auto-loaded then you should be fine passing kernel parameters to the respective kernel entry in grub, i guess. |
| 17:55.52 | Wasp | so I tried update-grub (or grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/.cfg) and grub-probe says: "error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdj1. Check your device map". I Don't have such a file -- in fact I suspected grub to create it. Moreover I wonder what grub is doing with my sdj1 |
| 17:56.40 | Wasp | also found unknown linux distribution on sdf2 and sdg2 -- I disagree |
| 17:58.25 | msiism | Wasp: that's a whole lot of sd's. how many hard drives does that machine have? |
| 17:58.48 | msiism | Wasp: also, which version of devuan are you trying to install and how? |
| 18:00.10 | Wasp | Version ascii 2.0 beta |
| 18:01.05 | msiism | Wasp: and what installation method are you using? |
| 18:01.14 | dejdo | msiism: it's thinkpad_acpi, i think it can be handled by modprobe.d or modules-load.d but let's see |
| 18:02.07 | msiism | dejdo: ok, setting it in grub was just the next best thing that popped into my mind. |
| 18:02.37 | dejdo | msiism: that definitely covers everything :) |
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| 18:40.12 | golinux | grub needs to be installed on sdc not sdc1 |
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| 18:53.13 | msiism | i suppose the problem here is more with sdc vs. sdj vs. sdf vs. sdg here. |
| 19:01.46 | golinux | Maybe. I just scanned quickly. It's a common error trying to grub in the wrong place. |
| 19:03.13 | msiism | ok. |
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| 19:33.45 | flrn | Wasp: I would try to use UUIDs in your fstab instead of device files |
| 19:34.44 | flrn | this should deprecate the need of a device map |
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| 19:41.03 | Wasp | flrn: I assume the devices grub found are freebsd even though I would expect them a bit "earlier" on the disks |
| 19:41.34 | Wasp | flrn: is grub-mkconfig refering to the fstab actually? |
| 19:43.18 | flrn | Wasp: I think so - at least for the system from which update-grub is called. |
| 19:43.46 | _sakura | hi, guyz. When will be ASCII stable release? |
| 19:45.03 | flrn | _sakura: this channel rumors that rc1 is around the corner |
| 19:46.08 | golinux | It will be a Release Candidate (no number) |
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| 19:46.37 | golinux | coming very soon |
| 19:47.01 | golinux | Hey mojoman . . . long time, no see |
| 19:47.48 | mojoman | Hey golinux long time ... |
| 19:48.27 | golinux | Indeed. Nice to see you here. DUF is pretty dead these days. |
| 19:49.00 | mojoman | Yeah, I actually reactivated my account |
| 19:49.23 | mojoman | But posts are few and far between |
| 19:50.06 | mojoman | I couple of old-timers had made post during 2018 but not manu |
| 19:50.57 | golinux | There are quite a few DUF and refracta refugess here. |
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| 20:53.12 | msiism | what is the default kernel in ASCII? |
| 20:54.08 | msiism | i'm wondering because `uname -r` on my newly updated machine says 3.16.0 |
| 20:57.26 | fsmithred | 4.9 |
| 20:57.52 | fsmithred | you don't have the kernel metapackage installed, so you must tell apt that you want the newer kernel |
| 20:58.29 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, good to know. needs to go into the ceveats pagae for upgrading to ascii. thanks you. |
| 20:58.39 | msiism | (excuse my typing) |
| 20:58.40 | fsmithred | yw |
| 20:58.50 | fsmithred | np, I can't see |
| 20:59.11 | fsmithred | not well enough to spot typos, anyway |
| 20:59.41 | golinux | msiism: That could be the source of your upgrade woes |
| 20:59.53 | fsmithred | what woes? |
| 21:00.05 | msiism | golinux: possibly. |
| 21:01.00 | msiism | fsmithred: i didn't exactly have a smooth landing on ascii. |
| 21:01.39 | msiism | my x server froze up when i started it at frist, i have warning messages about eth0 and udev. my cursor theme was changed (but that's the fault of Debian, i guess). |
| 21:02.12 | golinux | No it the darkpurpy default |
| 21:02.29 | fsmithred | only if you install desktop-base |
| 21:02.51 | msiism | it had the adwaita default theme after the upgrade |
| 21:03.11 | fsmithred | in openbox or xfce? |
| 21:03.28 | msiism | fsmithred: openbox |
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| 21:04.27 | golinux | adwaita theme sucks |
| 21:05.08 | msiism | golinux: ditto |
| 21:06.27 | golinux | install the darkpurpy-icon-theme and the DMZ white cursor for sanity |
| 21:07.14 | fsmithred | and lxappearance-obconf, unless you know another way to change the mouse theme |
| 21:07.27 | golinux | Don't know if desktop-base would fix theming in openbox |
| 21:07.49 | msiism | golinux: i'm using my own themes, so proabbly not. but it's already fixed and documented |
| 21:07.56 | fsmithred | plain openbox config doesn't have a way to change mouse |
| 21:08.13 | msiism | https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:upgrading_to_ascii#troubleshooting |
| 21:08.33 | golinux | Most WM have crippled options for theming, I think |
| 21:09.14 | msiism | well, you'll have to edit pretty big text files, yes |
| 21:11.29 | fsmithred | hm.. maybe that's how we should be doing it in d-b |
| 21:12.39 | fsmithred | need food - brb |
| 21:20.33 | msiism | fsmithred: can i quote your comment about the kernel meta package on the wiki page? |
| 21:21.49 | fsmithred | yes, the kernel doesn't get upgraded automatically unless the kernel metapackage is installed |
| 21:21.55 | msiism | ok |
| 21:22.28 | fsmithred | that would be linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-i686 (not sure if they still say -pae on that one) |
| 21:22.51 | fsmithred | maybe 686 not i686 |
| 21:23.00 | fsmithred | ask golinux |
| 21:23.29 | msiism | it says pae on mine |
| 21:23.39 | fsmithred | without the version number? |
| 21:23.57 | msiism | 3.16.0-5-686-pae |
| 21:24.06 | fsmithred | that's not the metapackage |
| 21:24.10 | msiism | no |
| 21:24.16 | fsmithred | find one that doesn't have a version number |
| 21:24.19 | msiism | ok, i get it |
| 21:24.59 | msiism | well, i'll just install the newer kernel i guess. but then that might cause the same problem when upgrading to beowulf, i guess. |
| 21:25.18 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:25.44 | fsmithred | and if you run beowulf while it's testing, you probably want to get new kernels when they arrive |
| 21:26.01 | fsmithred | not just updates of the same version |
| 21:26.52 | msiism | ok, so metapackage is recommended |
| 21:30.25 | msiism | ok, so there is linux-image-686 for older pcs and linux-image-686-pae for "modern" pcs. and *-rt, if you're running a realtime kernel. |
| 21:30.35 | fsmithred | it's easier - you don't have to remember to do anything, and you don't have to type the version number |
| 21:30.43 | msiism | right |
| 21:31.22 | fsmithred | I thought they dropped the non-pae kernel |
| 21:32.47 | msiism | well, there is *-586, which is merely a dummy package |
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| 21:39.25 | msiism | will the pae package work on an intel celeron? |
| 21:39.53 | msiism | (i'm testing the upgrade on a laptop before doing it on my main system) |
| 21:40.47 | fsmithred | yeah, it should |
| 21:40.51 | fsmithred | how old a celeron? |
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| 21:41.19 | msiism | maybe 8 years |
| 21:41.32 | fsmithred | if necessary, you can force it not to use pae by adding boot option (get this) |
| 21:41.32 | msiism | oh, not, that is way older |
| 21:41.35 | fsmithred | forcepae |
| 21:41.46 | msiism | ok, then i'll just try |
| 21:42.20 | msiism | just discovered an MSOffice 2003 sticker on that laptop |
| 21:42.26 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:42.38 | fsmithred | there are devuan stickers, you know |
| 21:43.29 | msiism | right, maybe i should get one. |
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| 21:59.37 | msiism | ok, that worked. going to do the upgrade on this system now. |
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| 22:27.18 | aitor | hi |
| 22:28.17 | fsmithred | hi aitor |
| 22:28.23 | aitor | i'm upgrading devuan to furrywolf |
| 22:28.29 | aitor | beowulf? |
| 22:28.33 | fsmithred | lmao |
| 22:29.00 | fsmithred | the latter, I hope |
| 22:29.53 | fsmithred | how's it going? |
| 22:30.05 | aitor | well |
| 22:30.25 | fsmithred | I tried it when the repo first went online, and it was smooth and easy |
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| 22:34.14 | aitor | i'm replacing the GtkMenuItem arg in the pthread_create() function of the popupmenu by a pointer to a typedef struct |
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| 23:09.40 | Wasp | Is it usual that the installtion creates/defines the root parttion as an efi partition? (I am not even sure what this means exaclty) However shoudln't it be gpt or ext4 |
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| 23:39.30 | gnarface | Wasp: (U)EFI vs BIOS boot is a kernel-level support decision. GPT vs MSDOS is a partition table choice. ext4 vs [many others] is the filesystem choice within the partition tables. you're conflating 3 entirely separate decisions here. luckily though, if you have relatively recent hardware the choices don't matter in any immediately obvious way and all the defaults should be fine. |
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| 23:46.30 | gnarface | Wasp: (if you're on Apple hardware or dual-booting multiple non-Linux/BSD operating systems some additional caveats apply) |