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00:19.37*** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! http://tinyurl.com/y9pta5vm || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan
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03:38.11vvandeI just spent 10 minutes googling for which init systems are available on Devuan.
03:38.22vvandethat info doesn't seem to be generally available
03:38.41vvandebut I do remember seeing that there were two choices out of the box in Ascii.
03:38.54vvandecan someone tell me what those are please?
03:48.17gnarfacei think openrc is the other one
03:48.28gnarfacedefault is traditional sysvinit as from wheezy
03:52.16XenguyConfirmed
03:53.44vvandeThanks guys!
03:54.01vvandeI was just trying to sell Devuan to another Linux user. :)
03:54.10gnarfacei'm not sure it's true there's only those two though
03:54.27XenguyFWIW, I asked about OpenRC, and a person I trust said 'it works fine'
03:54.30vvandeme neither, but I have read that there were two out of the box to start with.
03:54.47XenguyOpenRC is offered in the expert mode of the install I believe
03:54.56vvandeok
03:55.11gnarfaceit should have everything debian has minus systemd
03:55.50vvandeok, makes sense
03:56.13gnarfacea couple things that depend on systemd in debian couldn't be fixed
03:56.28vvandeI'm not surprised. :)
03:56.40blinkdogYou can get OpenRC if you select expert
03:56.52vvandethanks blinkdog
03:57.34blinkdogSome details on ASCII RC in the release announcement: https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-rc-announce-050918
03:59.34vvandegreat blinkdog, I think that's what I had read a while ago. And that mentions only SysVinit and OpenRC.
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04:20.26xrogaanwith the update to vlc, libgles1-mesa is removed and libva-wayland1 is installed. Is that right?
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15:06.59DocScrutinizer05could somebody please check a "apt-cache search extundelete" on devuan for me? no system around right now
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15:09.16DocScrutinizer05meh, should work, no?
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15:18.58rrqyes
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15:23.00rrqboth jessie/main and ascii/main
15:27.06DocScrutinizer05ta
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16:41.01opvhey guys, quick question: does the minimal-live iso include an installer?
16:43.49golinuxYes.  The refractainstaller
16:45.19opvthank you kind sir
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17:10.01KatolaZopv: hold on
17:10.17KatolaZyou need to install grub-pc first
17:10.19KatolaZso
17:10.25KatolaZboot the minimal-live
17:10.31KatolaZinstall gtub-pc
17:10.36KatolaZand then run refractainstaller
17:10.54KatolaZunfortunately the package is missing in the current images
17:11.08KatolaZwe're fixing it
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17:29.59opvyeah, I've got it... but grub doesn't install
17:30.13opverror: failed to get canonical path of 'overlay'
17:30.50opvi've booted into a live system, mounted boot on /mnt/boot and the rootfs on /mnt/rootfs
17:31.05opvboot is ext2, root is luks ext4
17:31.24opvbut i'm pretty much lost at this point, no idea why grub doesn't want
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17:35.24opvso uhm... help is greatly appreciated
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17:59.11KatolaZopv: have you finished the installation?
18:02.31opvKatolaZ: yes. at the end of the installation, grub errored out. i rebooted and am back in the live shell now
18:03.03KatolaZopv: do you have internet connection?
18:03.06opvyes
18:03.28KatolaZok, then you need to install grub-pc on the live system
18:03.37opvalready done
18:03.52KatolaZok
18:03.59KatolaZnow launch refractainstaller
18:04.07opveven though the system is already installed?
18:04.14KatolaZit will install on top of it
18:04.19KatolaZit's the easiest
18:04.32KatolaZotherwie you have to install grub in the installed system
18:04.37KatolaZ(after you have chrooted into it)
18:07.31opvworking...
18:09.51KatolaZopv: you or refractainstaller?
18:11.18opvKatolaZ: both :)
18:11.27opvi've rebooted as to have a clean slate. upon installing grub-pc, the grub-install already errored out
18:11.31opvis this supposed to be normal?
18:11.35KatolaZnope
18:11.36KatolaZ:D
18:11.36opvcould not write to /dev/sda
18:11.40opvthought so...
18:11.47KatolaZopv: is your system uefi?
18:11.52opvi think so
18:11.56KatolaZoh
18:12.11opvi'm like 95% sure, lost the bios pw unfortunately
18:12.23KatolaZopv: I'll be honest with you: minimal-live is not meant as a standard installation
18:12.46opvi understand. how can we proceed?
18:13.06KatolaZyou could try installing (in the live) grub-efi-amd64
18:13.16KatolaZor simply grub-efi
18:13.27KatolaZfsmithred could probably help on that
18:13.30KatolaZfsmithred: ^^^^^^
18:13.57opvinstalled, tried to grub-install, same error
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18:14.09opv"failed to get canonical path of: 'overlay'"
18:14.15KatolaZuh?
18:14.27KatolaZI guess it's better to ask fsmithred then
18:14.37KatolaZhe can help more with refractainstaller
18:14.44opvi don't think the issue is with refracta
18:14.53opvthe grub process seems pretty separate from that
18:14.55KatolaZit might be with refractainstaller
18:15.06KatolaZ20:15 < opv> "failed to get canonical path of: 'overlay'"
18:15.13KatolaZ^^^
18:15.28opvi googled the error, but what i found amounted to "make sure your boot and root are mounted"
18:16.12opvthere are a couple of mounts with that string, but i'm not sure what to make of them
18:18.18opvwhelp... gonna try and bruteforce the bios pw while we're waiting
18:19.19KatolaZopv: you could try to install grub diretly in the installed system
18:19.22KatolaZjust chroot into it
18:19.27KatolaZ(from the live)
18:19.39KatolaZinstall the package
18:20.13KatolaZand then run "grub-install /dev/sda" (or whatever you want it to be)
18:20.23opvworking...
18:23.11opvdo you know how to mount /dev inside the chroot? grub-install seems to need it
18:24.34opvnvm. lookie there, a different error
18:24.45opvisn't progress wonderful
18:25.26opvgpt part label contains no bios boot part, embedding not possible
18:25.47KatolaZopv: I guess it's best to use netinst
18:25.51KatolaZthe netinst image
18:26.00opvaye, i will do so
18:26.08KatolaZif you choose "Console productivity" you'll get more or less the same system you have in minimal-live
18:26.11opvthank you bery much for your kind support
18:26.15KatolaZwith the same set of packages
18:26.20KatolaZsorry for that
18:26.21KatolaZ:(
18:26.40KatolaZI have not tested installation from minimal-live too extensively
18:26.40KatolaZ:(
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18:32.48opvit's ok, i'm not mad
18:32.53opvrc's are expected to have bugs
18:32.58opvthough that is really unfortunate
18:33.26opvmaybe the installing process could have been tested more extensively before releasing
18:33.40opvbut i don't want to shit in your bed, you guys are literally doing god's work
18:33.49opvyou know, death to sysd and such
18:34.03opvdoing the netinstall now
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18:52.23fsmithredopv, I'm here for a few minutes
18:52.39fsmithredif you're using gpt with bios, you need to create a special small partition for grub
18:53.16fsmithredmust be at least 1MB, unformatted, with flag 'bios_grub' (in gparted) or ef02 (in gdisk)
18:53.42fsmithredinstall grub-pc in the live session, but do not let it install the bootloader at that time.
18:53.59fsmithredthen run refractainstaller and it will install the bootloader where you tell it to.
18:55.03fsmithredif you use netinstall iso instead, and you select manual partitioning, you'll still need to create that bios_grub partition yourself.
18:55.26fsmithredif you choose one of the automatic partitioning options, I don't know what it will do. Never tried that.
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19:04.58god_How's everybody doing
19:08.56buZzadequate
19:08.57buZzty
19:10.26golinuxgod_: Hello there.  Nice that you made it here.
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19:24.07fsmithredopv, I have to go out again. If you have questions, feel free to email me: fsmithred at gmail.com
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20:08.07opvfsmithred: thank you for your kind assistance
20:08.19opvnetinstall also failed at grub-install
20:08.59opvand it seems that my ssd has some bad cells, i had to shrink a partition and leave some free space for even the partitioning to complete
20:09.46opvi've managed to clear the bios pw, so i can take care of the uefi settings and try again
20:10.02opvwould you recommend bios or uefi install?
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20:55.07fsmithredopv, are you still here?
20:56.23fsmithredI don't know if bios or uefi would be better. That might depend on what the motherboard manufacturer did with (or to) the bios/uefi.
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21:07.35muepI would always do an uefi installation unless I know there is a problem with it
21:11.00MinceRi do "legacy" if i can
21:13.45muepit is just an extra layer between the bootloader and the HW
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21:14.59MinceRat least it pretends to be less cancerous
21:15.02muepor course sometimes it may contain some workarounds to counter quirks in the firmware so it may help if EFI installation is problematic on some particular hardware
21:15.21MinceRalso, no need to waste space on an extra FAT partition
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22:48.03opvfsmithred: i'll check back tomorrow
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