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| 03:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway >> sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo update-sudoers << |
| 03:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo ^^^ |
| 03:38.44 | fsmithred | on systems with just a wm I give the user sudo privs for shutdown, reboot and sometimes a few other things |
| 03:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | then see sudo --askpass |
| 03:39.34 | fsmithred | well, I'd like this to work in xfce the way it's supposed to work. |
| 03:39.57 | fsmithred | it works correctly in devuan ascii (task-xfce-desktop installed) |
| 03:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no idea about polkit |
| 03:40.23 | fsmithred | but not in my upgraded refracta with xfce installed in parts |
| 03:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I used it to further restrict permissions of a process so far, if anything |
| 03:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | my main encounter with polkit was when I looked into making a kiosk-mode system for a customer |
| 03:45.42 | fsmithred | time for sleep here. g'night |
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| 08:32.33 | armin | anything to consider when installing devuan via debootstrap? |
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| 08:58.34 | gnarface | armin: there was some bug with fdisk and rsyslog in ascii but it may have been fixed |
| 08:58.55 | gnarface | i had to exclude both and switch them in later |
| 08:58.58 | gnarface | that was months ago now though |
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| 09:11.41 | armin | gnarface: great advise, thanks a lot! |
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| 09:43.07 | KatolaZ | armin: there is no problem to install via debootstrap |
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| 15:11.12 | Juesto | hey |
| 15:11.39 | Juesto | why is the pre filesystem/initrd very bare bones? |
| 15:11.46 | Juesto | it's lacking fsck |
| 15:13.06 | debdog | lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 | grep fsck |
| 15:13.06 | debdog | sbin/fsck.ext4 |
| 15:13.06 | debdog | sbin/fsck |
| 15:13.06 | debdog | sbin/e2fsck |
| 15:13.27 | debdog | which version? Juesto |
| 15:13.31 | KatolaZ | Juesto: which version? |
| 15:14.20 | KatolaZ | Juesto: the initrd this days is quite huge TBH |
| 15:14.25 | KatolaZ | too huge |
| 15:16.00 | Juesto | devuan ascii |
| 15:16.06 | Juesto | not sure which version |
| 15:17.04 | debdog | my output is from Ascii, too. how did you determine it's missing? |
| 15:17.31 | Juesto | because it mentions it won't check the rootfs and fails if the fs isn't okay |
| 15:17.50 | KatolaZ | Juesto: uh? |
| 15:17.58 | debdog | which fs? |
| 15:18.16 | Juesto | rootfs |
| 15:18.25 | KatolaZ | Juesto: which kind of FS? |
| 15:20.21 | Juesto | uhhh |
| 15:20.24 | debdog | rootfs as in "FS of /" or initram's tempfs? |
| 15:20.31 | Juesto | it's missing fsck debdog |
| 15:20.50 | Juesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.57 | KatolaZ | Juesto: that's at least strange, to not sat impossible |
| 15:21.01 | KatolaZ | ~say |
| 15:21.16 | Juesto | yeah dead infobot |
| 15:25.40 | debdog | ok, back to: <KatolaZ> Juesto: which kind of FS? -- which file system is used on that partition? |
| 15:25.51 | Juesto | ext4 |
| 15:26.25 | debdog | what does "update-initramfs -u -k all" return? |
| 15:26.29 | KatolaZ | Juesto: is it missing from initrd or from the installed system? |
| 15:26.39 | debdog | good point |
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| 15:31.41 | Juesto | lsinitramfs -l /initrd.img http://ptpb.pw/ovWk |
| 15:32.06 | Juesto | 4.9.0-6-amd64 kernel |
| 15:32.15 | Juesto | version* |
| 15:32.18 | debdog | hmm |
| 15:33.27 | KatolaZ | Juesto: what is the name of the file linked by /initrd.img? |
| 15:34.07 | debdog | also: "ls /sbin/*fsck*" |
| 15:34.13 | Juesto | KatolaZ: can't assume by the kernel version? |
| 15:34.28 | KatolaZ | no Juesto |
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| 15:34.38 | debdog | ls -la /initrd.img |
| 15:34.46 | KatolaZ | Juesto: how did you install that box? |
| 15:34.58 | KatolaZ | (which ascii install medium did you use?) |
| 15:34.58 | Juesto | debdog: i do have fsck under the installed system but not in the iniramfs shell |
| 15:35.16 | Juesto | vm image because it's plug and play apparently |
| 15:35.52 | KatolaZ | which vm image? |
| 15:36.11 | Juesto | maemo leste |
| 15:36.22 | KatolaZ | parazyd: ^^^^ |
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| 15:36.34 | KatolaZ | (Juesto: maemo leste is not released by devuan) |
| 15:37.01 | Juesto | well I'm not going to do useless noise on #maemo-leste |
| 15:37.06 | Juesto | i should pm parazyd |
| 15:37.33 | KatolaZ | ... |
| 15:37.36 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 15:37.51 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.56 | Juesto | dafuq |
| 15:37.58 | Juesto | lol |
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| 15:48.33 | Juesto | KatolaZ: leste ships with devuan/debian initramfs stuff |
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| 15:53.30 | Juesto | debdog: i updated the initramfs and still no fsck, command i ran update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 15:55.36 | Juesto | :/ |
| 15:56.17 | debdog | <KatolaZ> Juesto: what is the name of the file linked by /initrd.img? |
| 15:56.26 | debdog | aside from that, I am running out of ideas |
| 15:57.26 | debdog | or someting is different in /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 16:01.24 | Juesto | package is version 0.130 |
| 16:02.33 | KatolaZ | no Juesto |
| 16:02.45 | KatolaZ | I don't know what maemo leste ships with |
| 16:02.59 | KatolaZ | I can guarantee for the images you donwload from http://files.devuan.org |
| 16:03.05 | KatolaZ | not for any derivative out there |
| 16:03.17 | Juesto | ffs |
| 16:03.28 | KatolaZ | it might well be that maemo leste provided a different initrd |
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| 16:03.42 | KatolaZ | the initrd of images available at files.devuan.org all have fsck |
| 16:04.23 | KatolaZ | Juesto: since it's a devuan/debian stuff, as you say, try to ask the same question on the #debian channel |
| 16:04.30 | KatolaZ | and see what the response will be... |
| 16:05.19 | Juesto | ugh |
| 16:05.30 | Juesto | parazyd: confirm please? |
| 16:05.39 | parazyd | yes, ask in #debian. |
| 16:05.54 | parazyd | leste does not modify the initrams, nor does devuan |
| 16:06.09 | Juesto | I'm trying to resolve this, not face burocracy stuff |
| 16:06.09 | KatolaZ | Juesto: only minimal-live has a modified initrd |
| 16:06.23 | KatolaZ | and it just removes unused kernel drivers, not executbles |
| 16:08.50 | Juesto | strange |
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| 16:19.54 | Juesto | i have logged the verbose process and no mention of executables other than busybox |
| 16:20.30 | Juesto | it includes btrfs but not fsck |
| 16:20.50 | Juesto | nothing after calling hook fsck |
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| 16:58.06 | Juesto | can anyone please try to generate a fresh initramfs separately from your usual image? |
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| 17:05.36 | Juesto | why is devuan version outdated |
| 17:05.52 | Juesto | oh wait |
| 17:07.19 | Juesto | parazyd: lame, asking in #debian results in being told to reinstall |
| 17:08.02 | Juesto | KatolaZ: they don't support forks |
| 17:08.46 | Juesto | <t3st3r> it is, but it default configuration could be changed by maintainers hell a lot |
| 17:09.45 | Juesto | man... |
| 17:10.13 | Juesto | hey |
| 17:10.43 | Juesto | debdog: so apparently debian can't help |
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| 17:12.06 | Juesto | sid and buster are the ones on 0.130 of initramfs tools |
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| 17:15.31 | Juesto | hello? |
| 17:16.13 | blinkdog | sorry Juesto, I just came in, what are you searching for? |
| 17:17.06 | Juesto | blinkdog: issues with initramfs image not adding fsck please scrollup. |
| 17:17.18 | Juesto | #debian wont help |
| 17:18.24 | blinkdog | hmmm, I don't know enough about initramfs to help, at least off the top of my head |
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| 17:22.21 | Juesto | apparently my system hard drive is recognized as a raid6 when it's a single laptop drive |
| 17:22.35 | Juesto | it's including btrfs for some reason |
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| 17:31.26 | Juesto | please someone else try to generate a fresh initramfs? |
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| 17:52.16 | msiism | Juesto: i've temporarily put my testing laptop out of order by taking it apart completely and then putting it back together, so i can't help you right now, sorry. |
| 17:52.37 | Juesto | :/ |
| 17:53.19 | Juesto | msiism: did i ask for your help directly? no. but thanks for the information |
| 17:53.50 | msiism | Juesto: no, i just wanted to be nice :D |
| 17:53.56 | Juesto | oh okay |
| 18:02.50 | fsmithred | Juesto, I just generated a new initramfs, and it contains fsck and btrfs |
| 18:03.08 | fsmithred | this is ascii amd64 |
| 18:03.26 | Juesto | fsmithred: i just made a fresh one and no fsck |
| 18:04.30 | fsmithred | I don't know where you would tell it to include that |
| 18:06.31 | Juesto | no idea |
| 18:06.34 | Juesto | can't find anything |
| 18:06.45 | Juesto | it's getting generated like that |
| 18:06.47 | bozonius | jessie calligra package is not working right |
| 18:06.58 | bozonius | anyone had luck with it? |
| 18:07.00 | Juesto | im using updated system |
| 18:07.12 | Juesto | ascii/ceres which is buster/testing based |
| 18:08.05 | bozonius | nvm. Calligra is working now... |
| 18:08.45 | fsmithred | ascii is stretch, ceres is sid. buster is tracked by beowulf |
| 18:09.06 | bozonius | Any way to get calligra to appear in the start menu? WPS adds itself, but not Calligra. I'm using xfce, and I would imagine that is why (calligra is koffice (KDE)) |
| 18:09.19 | bozonius | I suppose I could use the menu editor |
| 18:09.28 | Juesto | yes, use that |
| 18:09.35 | fsmithred | bozonius, what desktop? |
| 18:09.40 | bozonius | xfce |
| 18:09.42 | bozonius | jessie |
| 18:09.48 | Juesto | but note it adds unnecessary clutter in your home |
| 18:10.02 | fsmithred | just add a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications |
| 18:10.21 | bozonius | nah. I'll use the menu editor. |
| 18:10.23 | fsmithred | if one does not exist, you can look at some examples and make one up |
| 18:10.31 | bozonius | I already have enough desktop clutter |
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| 18:10.50 | bozonius | I see your experiment brought a failure... |
| 18:10.51 | fsmithred | ok, I never used a menu editor in xfce. I didn't know there was one. |
| 18:11.07 | fsmithred | well, not a total failure, and not a new problem. |
| 18:11.20 | fsmithred | but yeah, synaptic and gparted will start without asking for a password |
| 18:11.32 | bozonius | I guarantee you, fsmithred, when I go to install ascii for real... |
| 18:11.39 | fsmithred | the wicd problem got straightened out |
| 18:11.50 | fsmithred | clean ascii install is safer, I think |
| 18:12.12 | bozonius | I tend to do it that way myself. Clean install. |
| 18:12.40 | bozonius | That way, if anything goes SPROINNNNNG! I still have jessie. |
| 18:12.51 | fsmithred | yup. I do the same. |
| 18:13.03 | fsmithred | takes me at least a couple weeks to install my main system |
| 18:13.11 | bozonius | Right. |
| 18:13.31 | fsmithred | and get everything the way I want, enough to not feel like I need to boot the old system |
| 18:13.58 | bozonius | And when I install a new system, I notice that much of the home directory stuff has to be massaged anyway. It's been rare when I could haul a home directory over to a new install and just have it work. |
| 18:14.08 | bozonius | (yes) |
| 18:14.43 | Juesto | fsmithred: kde apps add to applications iirc |
| 18:14.48 | bozonius | (but it's nice to still have it laying around for the first few weeks or months after new distro comes out) |
| 18:15.11 | fsmithred | Juesto, most apps will add themselves to the menu via a .desktop file. |
| 18:15.40 | Juesto | yes but some do hide themselves |
| 18:16.02 | fsmithred | lxrandr is one of those |
| 18:16.20 | fsmithred | anyway, I have to go out. bbl. |
| 18:16.33 | fsmithred | good point |
| 18:16.40 | bozonius | son of a gun! |
| 18:16.43 | fsmithred | bozonius, check if there's already one |
| 18:16.51 | fsmithred | yes? |
| 18:16.54 | bozonius | Calligra has been added to the menu. But it wasn't there before!!! |
| 18:17.12 | fsmithred | ok, good. |
| 18:17.16 | fsmithred | see you all later |
| 18:17.21 | bozonius | I guess xfce had to take its time and think about it a bit first? |
| 18:17.35 | bozonius | later fsmithred! |
| 18:17.37 | bozonius | thanks |
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| 20:20.15 | msiism | does devuan officially offer any version with a freebsd kernel, currently? afaik, it doesn't. did i miss something? |
| 20:20.32 | Juesto | why so |
| 20:21.03 | msiism | Juesto: what do you mean? |
| 20:21.34 | golinux | msiism: Not that I know of |
| 20:21.39 | Juesto | msiism: do you think it should? did you read anywhere about it? |
| 20:23.04 | msiism | Juesto: yes, i read it in the german wikipeda and will correctit, if it's wrong, which i'm pretty certain it is. |
| 20:23.16 | Juesto | ok |
| 20:23.26 | msiism | golinux: well, you would know, wouldn't you? |
| 20:26.01 | Juesto | anyway |
| 20:26.24 | Juesto | how do i troubleshoot the issues with initrd further |
| 20:27.12 | msiism | apart from that, since "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set" (https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/), i'd guess that adoption of systemd is giving those people involved with it a pretty hard time (correct me if i'm wrong). |
| 20:28.05 | Juesto | i wonder if anyone is using hurd |
| 20:32.17 | msiism | Irrwahn: did you have time to check out the meet pad for tomorrow, yet? there's talk about the package description(?) quirks you were bringing up here a few days ago(?). if i got that right, that is. |
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| 20:33.48 | golinux | msiism: I don't know everything that happens in devuan. ;) |
| 20:35.02 | msiism | golinux: oh, i always believed that (kidding...). |
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| 21:07.20 | KatolaZ | msiism: the FreeBSD port in Debian seems to be at a stale point |
| 21:09.35 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok, good to know. maybe there can be Devuan GNU+kFreeBSd then, at some point. |
| 21:10.08 | Juesto | ugh |
| 21:10.24 | Juesto | help me with debian not supporting derivatives |
| 21:10.26 | KatolaZ | msiism: anything can happen, if people make it happen |
| 21:10.37 | Juesto | for something that we're not even modifying |
| 21:13.03 | msiism | KatolaZ: true. maybe hinting at potentially open doors also helps in that repect. |
| 21:13.47 | msiism | but ok, people know there's Devuan... |
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| 21:25.12 | Juesto | ... |
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| 21:32.33 | xrogaan | do we really need brltty? |
| 21:32.42 | xrogaan | I mean, I'm not blind. |
| 21:32.54 | xrogaan | so, do I really need that software? |
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| 21:38.14 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: uh? |
| 21:38.41 | KatolaZ | you can just remove it if you don't need it |
| 21:40.04 | xrogaan | oh |
| 21:44.50 | xrogaan | well, that's done then. |
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| 21:53.58 | Juesto | please refrain from telling people to ask Debian since they don't support derivatives |
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| 22:58.05 | ServiceRobot | hello there tiny peeps |
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| 23:00.07 | ServiceRobot | so I tried out the latest ascii iso and I'm wondering if I can remove sysvinit now that openrc is an option |
| 23:00.31 | ServiceRobot | I selected openrc as the init I wanted to use but still had sysvinit when the installation finished |
| 23:02.51 | gnarface | i don't know the procedure but people have succeeded at this. maybe it's enough to just remove sysvinit once openrc is set up. there might be an extra step. |
| 23:03.34 | ServiceRobot | I tried removing sysvinit and the result was an unbootable system. I assume it's because it's tied to the init binary |
| 23:04.00 | gnarface | had you finished installing openrc? maybe you have to install it AFTER removing sysvinit. i'm just not sure. |
| 23:04.07 | ServiceRobot | if this is the case it should be seperated so more init systems can be added in the future |
| 23:04.25 | ServiceRobot | it does boot with openrc, but I think it's on top of sysvinit |
| 23:04.40 | ServiceRobot | the details in the recent announcement confuse me about this |
| 23:04.51 | gnarface | hmmm. well i don't have any suggestions other than to hang around here until you cross paths with someone else who is using openrc. |
| 23:04.56 | gnarface | you're not the first, i know that for sure. |
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| 23:28.05 | golinux | ServiceRobot: I think that openrc uses some sysvinit scripts so you either need to rely on those or replace them with other options to fulfill those functions. |
| 23:28.30 | Juesto | most of devuan is sysvinit |
| 23:28.42 | golinux | You might want to look at this thread https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128 and also here http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/ |
| 23:29.06 | ServiceRobot | ya, that's annoying. I was hoping devuan would start to allow complete replacements. I'm a bit of a perfectionst when it comes to that |
| 23:29.09 | Juesto | openrc version in devuan lacks important things imo |
| 23:29.41 | golinux | Juesto: openrc is an option that quite a few are using. |
| 23:29.44 | Juesto | openrc has somewhat replaced sysvinit in a few versions later |
| 23:29.56 | Juesto | devuan's 0.23 |
| 23:30.24 | Juesto | 0.24 introduced agetty orcinitscript |
| 23:30.50 | Juesto | and 0.25 replaces sysvinit |
| 23:30.58 | ServiceRobot | ah |
| 23:31.28 | ServiceRobot | wait, so the goal is to completely replace openrc, or make it an option? it seems there should be a main init package from which other init systems can work with |
| 23:31.31 | golinux | There have been discussions about openrc on the mailist, irc and the forum |
| 23:31.53 | ServiceRobot | right, I've been keeping track of the forum a bit |
| 23:31.55 | golinux | Devuan is about choice |
| 23:32.18 | ServiceRobot | that's good to know. "init freedom" is the main slogan on one of your paegs |
| 23:32.20 | ServiceRobot | *pages |
| 23:33.10 | golinux | Indeed. In the beginning we were hoping to also add systemd to the options but then it became apparent that wouldn't be possible. |
| 23:33.28 | golinux | brb |
| 23:34.02 | Juesto | so just fueling the anti systemd stuff after evaluation |
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