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| 09:05.42 | goo_ | hey, I'd need help solving an issue with apt on a debootstrapped ascii armhf system |
| 09:06.23 | goo_ | basically, whenever I try to install something, be it by doing `apt upgrade` or `apt install <pkg>` it just hangs at 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 09:07.17 | KatolaZ | goo_: which repos are you using? |
| 09:07.31 | goo_ | I tried modifying the /etc/apt/sources.list mirror since it originally was `http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged` and was not working |
| 09:07.44 | KatolaZ | goo_: are you sure you have internet connection? |
| 09:07.48 | goo_ | I changed it to `http://deb.devuan.org/merged` but it still isn't working |
| 09:07.50 | goo_ | yep |
| 09:07.51 | KatolaZ | (silly question, I know...) |
| 09:08.20 | goo_ | also if I do like `apt install --print-uris <pkg>` and try to wget the resulting URL it downloads the package just fine |
| 09:10.05 | goo_ | ask me for anything you need, I'd be very grateful if anyone could help |
| 09:10.27 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 09:10.46 | KatolaZ | pkgmaster is working all right over here |
| 09:11.09 | KatolaZ | and so are deb.devuan.org |
| 09:11.30 | goo_ | I can try using the pkgmaster mirror again but I highly doubt that'll change anything |
| 09:11.42 | KatolaZ | goo_: it must be something on your side I guess |
| 09:12.13 | goo_ | yeah I guess |
| 09:12.24 | goo_ | but I can connect to the mirror just fine |
| 09:12.41 | goo_ | like wget works, it's just apt that doesn't |
| 09:12.45 | goo_ | pinging it works |
| 09:14.43 | KatolaZ | goo_: ping is not relevant |
| 09:14.51 | KatolaZ | it could also be disabled :) |
| 09:15.05 | KatolaZ | and you still could connect to the http server there |
| 09:16.21 | goo_ | yeah it was just to say that it definitely isn't a connectivity problem |
| 09:17.13 | KatolaZ | goo_: apt-cache policy bash |
| 09:23.32 | goo_ | bash: Installed: 4.4-5 Candidate: 4.4-5 Version table: *** 4.4-5 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii/main armhf Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:25.05 | KatolaZ | goo_: please use pkgmaster.devuan.org until we understand what's going on |
| 09:25.18 | KatolaZ | (despite it shouldn't make any difference at all...) |
| 09:25.43 | KatolaZ | goo_: are you able to do an apt-get update cleanly? |
| 09:29.06 | goo_ | hang on a sec I will connect from my phone |
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| 09:33.47 | goo_ | yeah so apt update seems to work |
| 09:34.42 | KatolaZ | ave you tried apt-get install? |
| 09:34.49 | KatolaZ | (it shouldn't change much) |
| 09:34.57 | goo_ | yeah same issue |
| 09:38.21 | xrogaan | been some cert update recently |
| 09:40.35 | xrogaan | oh, https://www.cacert.org/ is unreachable because unsecure. Ironic. |
| 09:41.06 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: goo_ is not using https |
| 09:41.17 | KatolaZ | and there has been no cert update on pkgmaster |
| 09:41.24 | goo_ | yeah |
| 09:41.48 | goo_ | I think I might be missing some dependencies or library |
| 09:42.15 | goo_ | can you make a list of apt dependencies? |
| 09:42.30 | xrogaan | I was talking about myself KatolaZ, sorry to intrude on the conversation. |
| 09:42.31 | KatolaZ | apt-cache show apt |
| 09:42.38 | KatolaZ | oh sorry xrogaan :\ |
| 09:42.48 | KatolaZ | goo_: but that would be VERY strange |
| 09:43.18 | KatolaZ | goo_: do you have dselect installed? |
| 09:43.43 | xrogaan | I'm pretty sure I got some certificate updates. |
| 09:43.45 | KatolaZ | resurrects dead bodies every now and then... |
| 09:44.45 | goo_ | I don't think I have dselect |
| 09:45.03 | goo_ | how to list installed packages? |
| 09:46.57 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.27 | xrogaan | goo_: are you using ipv6 or ipv4? Might be silly, but the devuan mirrors under ipv6 are pretty slow on my end. |
| 09:48.07 | goo_ | my ISP doesn't support ipv6 so I'm pretty confident it's not using it |
| 09:48.25 | goo_ | unless that's actually the problem and it's trying to use it while it can't |
| 09:49.13 | xrogaan | anyhow, during the update of ca-certificates this one got added: subject=C = CN, O = "GUANG DONG CERTIFICATE AUTHORITY CO.,LTD.", CN = GDCA TrustAUTH R5 ROOT |
| 09:49.22 | xrogaan | That's quite suspicious. |
| 09:52.09 | djph | I don't think 'suspicious' begins to describe it. |
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| 09:53.19 | xrogaan | GDCA TrustAUTH R5 ROOT, in the debian changelog |
| 09:53.42 | xrogaan | also they removed equifax CA, so it's not all bad. |
| 09:54.15 | fsmithred | goo_, did you post about this problem on the forum or the mailing list? |
| 09:54.26 | xrogaan | goo_: if your system is configured to use ipv4, it should default on ipv4. |
| 09:54.49 | goo__ | nope I didn't post about it |
| 09:55.01 | goo__ | yeah I checked and ipv6 is disabled |
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| 09:55.16 | xrogaan | Personally, I made a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 with `Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' in it. |
| 09:55.55 | xrogaan | I needed to sleep yesterday and the rate at which it was downloading meant I had to wait for an hour. |
| 09:56.48 | fsmithred | ok, I think you're not the only one with this problem, but I'm not finding where I read it before. |
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| 10:01.38 | goo_ | here https://ibb.co/dnpLRy |
| 10:01.49 | goo_ | it's as if apt doesn't follow redirects |
| 10:03.19 | fsmithred | 0% (Waiting for headers) - I'm sure I saw that posted somewhere recently |
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| 10:06.28 | fsmithred | I'll check the mailing list as soon as I can get thunderbird to stop crashing |
| 10:06.54 | goo_ | thank you |
| 10:10.58 | gnarface | goo_: are you running local DNS? |
| 10:11.26 | gnarface | i had a thought about the ipv6 thing |
| 10:12.03 | gnarface | i think bind9 used to get wonky if you didn't disable ipv6 in its own config when you had no ipv6 upstream |
| 10:12.21 | goo_ | nope I'm using Google's dns |
| 10:14.39 | gnarface | well, i still have intermittent failures with deb.devuan.org |
| 10:14.45 | gnarface | but mostly it works if i retry once or twice |
| 10:15.02 | gnarface | i don't think all the mirrors are actually ok |
| 10:15.05 | KatolaZ | goo_: are you sure your local debian repo is working? |
| 10:15.19 | KatolaZ | I mean, what happens if you try to get to deb.debian.org? |
| 10:15.20 | goo_ | what do you mean? |
| 10:15.29 | goo_ | oh |
| 10:15.52 | goo_ | it works, like, I can even manually download packages from it using wget |
| 10:16.13 | KatolaZ | mmmpf |
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| 10:54.34 | rrq | interesting .. I get a 2 redirects, the last to http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/... with a 404 response..?? |
| 10:55.05 | rrq | same for pkgmaster as for deb |
| 10:55.16 | KatolaZ | rrq: ? |
| 10:55.38 | rrq | just trying 'wget -S -O/dev/null http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged...' |
| 10:55.59 | rrq | and 'wget -S -O/dev/null http://deb.devuan.org/merged...' |
| 10:56.02 | KatolaZ | rrq: are you sure the package is there? |
| 10:56.15 | KatolaZ | (the one you are trying to wget) |
| 10:56.28 | rrq | no; I copied the url (from goo_'s image) |
| 10:56.39 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 10:56.41 | rrq | ah maybe mis-copied.... |
| 10:57.55 | rrq | no.. correctly copied (let me veirfy a 5:th time...) |
| 10:58.24 | fsmithred | I can't find the post I saw that had the same problem. |
| 10:58.59 | KatolaZ | not found here as well |
| 10:59.06 | rrq | ok mis-copied... eventually 2 redirect and a download |
| 10:59.14 | KatolaZ | hold on |
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| 11:01.06 | KatolaZ | yep it's a 404 |
| 11:01.17 | KatolaZ | I got the url from Packages.xz |
| 11:01.31 | rrq | afk |
| 11:02.40 | KatolaZ | oh ok |
| 11:02.46 | KatolaZ | he needs to get the updates I guess |
| 11:02.51 | KatolaZ | asci-updates |
| 11:02.55 | KatolaZ | ascii-updates |
| 11:03.19 | KatolaZ | parazyd: you around ^^^ |
| 11:04.42 | KatolaZ | but that's really strange.... |
| 11:06.03 | KatolaZ | so it seems like the package is not available from Debian repos |
| 11:06.46 | KatolaZ | oh no wait |
| 11:06.47 | KatolaZ | it's there |
| 11:06.56 | rrq | evidently http://pkgmaster.devuan.org redirects to http://deb.debian.org (with other path) then to cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org (with that path), and I'm getting it from there |
| 11:06.57 | KatolaZ | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libe/libevent/libevent-2.0-5_2.0.21-stable-3_armhf.deb |
| 11:07.11 | KatolaZ | it's definitely there |
| 11:08.41 | KatolaZ | I had mistyped the url as well |
| 11:09.00 | rrq | maybe deb.debian.org resolves slowly for goo_ ? |
| 11:09.02 | KatolaZ | I can get it either through ftp.debian.org or through deb.debian.org |
| 11:10.18 | KatolaZ | shrugs |
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| 11:21.17 | goo_ | KatolaZ: hey my connection dropped apparently but I think I've read something about ascii-updates? |
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| 12:08.02 | goo_ | oh i read the logs from botbotme |
| 12:08.28 | goo_ | I think my problem is that apt doesn't follow redirects |
| 12:08.40 | goo_ | like as soon as it gets a 302 it hangs |
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| 12:19.19 | parazyd | KatolaZ: What's up? |
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| 13:06.10 | KatolaZ | parazyd: goo_ ^^^ |
| 13:08.52 | parazyd | Is there something wrong with the url we're serving? |
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| 13:14.52 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 13:15.05 | KatolaZ | curl/wget work fine |
| 13:15.20 | KatolaZ | follow the redirects and get the file |
| 13:15.24 | KatolaZ | so no idea |
| 13:15.58 | parazyd | apt might hang sometimes... goo_ can try an `apt update` again and installing the package again. |
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| 14:46.35 | filipdevuan | hi, uhh finally home!! i tried antergos with KDE plasma and it was awful battery was running low like crazy!!! worse than windows 10 hahah |
| 14:46.45 | filipdevuan | anyways im trying to run dvd movie under VLC but it wont load ;/ |
| 14:47.34 | filipdevuan | in antergos open media from disc was sda1 i think or something like that but here my disc device is /media/cdrom0 |
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| 14:53.57 | filipdevuan | and i remember i have had something like linux-firmware in my synaptic or something like that not sure if that was firmware though |
| 14:54.36 | filipdevuan | ok nvm got it |
| 14:55.01 | golinux | filipdevuan: Try /dev/sr0 |
| 14:56.30 | filipdevuan | w8 ill reboot |
| 14:56.35 | filipdevuan | brb |
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| 14:59.44 | filipdevuan | yeah well it reads the dvd cuz i have title of the movie but vlc just doesnt wanna play maybe its codecs |
| 15:02.59 | filipdevuan | okay its probably lack of libdvd-pkg im downloading it now from package manager and see if that does it |
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| 15:07.21 | golinux | libdvdcss2? To handle any decryption |
| 15:08.13 | golinux | Mine is from debian multimedia but I got it a long time ago. |
| 15:10.44 | filipdevuan | yeah libdvdcss2 now its stuck on processing triggers for libc-bin |
| 15:11.00 | filipdevuan | libdvd-pkg: dpkg database is locked. You may need to use command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg". |
| 15:11.00 | filipdevuan | libdvd-pkg: Building and installation of package(s) [libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev] postponed till after next APT operation. |
| 15:11.00 | filipdevuan | Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.24-11+deb9u3) ... |
| 15:11.01 | filipdevuan | right |
| 15:12.25 | filipdevuan | ok it works now sorry for spam ;). |
| 15:13.19 | filipdevuan | yeah nice well i went for a bonfire party to my friends yesterday and i brought laptop with antergos KDE plasma and i was so disappointed with the battery lol, so i thought omg i have go back to devuan |
| 15:13.37 | filipdevuan | today im going again so we're gonna watch movies properly on devuan ;P |
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| 16:03.47 | _stephen_ | Weird, I can't find xv... anyone know what package provides it? |
| 16:03.56 | _stephen_ | I tried apt-file but I still can't find it. |
| 16:04.21 | fsmithred | xv-utils |
| 16:04.35 | _stephen_ | Which repo is that in? |
| 16:04.53 | fsmithred | wrong name - hang on |
| 16:05.28 | fsmithred | oh, I'm thinking of xz |
| 16:06.02 | fsmithred | you're looking for compression or viewing images? |
| 16:06.26 | _stephen_ | I was trying to debug an icon placement problem someone was having. |
| 16:06.38 | _stephen_ | But I don't have it with other apps, so I wanted to install xv where they were having the problem. |
| 16:07.13 | fsmithred | there are some xview packages - not sure if that's what you want |
| 16:08.40 | fsmithred | bbl |
| 16:09.54 | KatolaZ | _stephen_: xv is not free-software, IIRC |
| 16:10.43 | _stephen_ | I generally just use image magick for that kind of thing |
| 16:10.51 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:10.56 | KatolaZ | that should be enough, right? |
| 16:11.54 | _stephen_ | Unfortunately it doesn't help me determine if the xv app is trying to set its own icon position if I can't actually run it. |
| 16:14.29 | _stephen_ | I saw an email to the fvwm mailing list, it described a problem, I tested the same steps with a different app, didn't see the problem, and went looking for xv in the repos. |
| 16:15.05 | _stephen_ | I found xloadimage with the "xview" command, but that doesn't have the problem either, so I don't know what happened to xv... |
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| 16:24.38 | goo__ | parazyd: tried re-running `apt update` and installing again, doesn't fix it |
| 16:30.14 | _stephen_ | KatolaZ heh, apparently it's shareware/commercial, I went looking for source and found a credit card purchase option. |
| 16:33.34 | KatolaZ | _stephen_: it has always been like that |
| 16:34.37 | KatolaZ | (xv being proprietary) |
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| 16:41.44 | goo_ | oh, looks like if i chroot into the devuan system it works |
| 16:41.50 | goo_ | this is so weird |
| 16:42.01 | KatolaZ | goo_: ... |
| 16:42.16 | KatolaZ | you must chroot into the devuan system, right? |
| 16:42.29 | goo_ | i can also boot directly into it |
| 16:42.45 | goo_ | and it doesnt work that way |
| 16:42.52 | KatolaZ | mmm |
| 16:43.34 | KatolaZ | goo_: are you sure you don't have any strange mount options on /var for instance? |
| 16:43.47 | KatolaZ | apt needs to create a couple lock files in there... |
| 16:45.34 | goo_ | no, but I just noticed the loopback interface wasn't up |
| 16:45.54 | goo_ | though bringing it up doesn't solve it |
| 16:47.55 | KatolaZ | are you sure yo have networking whan you boot into your new image? |
| 16:48.12 | KatolaZ | (silly question I know) |
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| 16:51.51 | goo_ | well I'd assume so since i can wget stuff |
| 16:52.56 | KatolaZ | goo_: do you have a separate /var? |
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| 17:07.09 | goo_ | nope |
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| 17:40.15 | goo_ | I tried reinstalling `apt` with `apt-get install --reinstall apt` and it doesn't make a difference, I also tried installing `aptitude` and using it and it still doesn't work |
| 17:40.51 | goo_ | I had a look into the network config by comparing my normal debian system's `ip link` and `ip addr` output with the devuan system one and they're the same |
| 17:40.59 | goo_ | /etc/resolv.conf are the same |
| 17:41.06 | goo_ | I can't get my head around this |
| 17:56.42 | Akuli | can someone check which version of iwyu does the latest devuan come with? i spent a long time trying to compile a new iwyu, and i might start using devuan on this system if the iwyu in the repositories turns out to be new enough for me |
| 17:57.01 | KatolaZ | Akuli: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 17:57.34 | Akuli | thanks |
| 17:58.17 | Akuli | yay, new enough :D |
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| 18:07.17 | Digit | well, my xmonad has somehow gotten itself locked into fullscreen on all workspaces (idk, i didnt change its config). so, i'm gonna use this time to do that upgrade i've been putting off. n_n |
| 18:08.24 | Digit | here's to breaking everything running, & needing a restart. |
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| 19:44.31 | grillon | hi there |
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| 19:48.16 | hiya | So, I am done downloading it |
| 19:48.21 | hiya | I want to make a live USB |
| 19:48.25 | hiya | What command is good? |
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| 19:48.40 | hiya | devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso |
| 19:48.50 | hiya | is what I have downloaded |
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| 19:52.23 | Digit | is currently doing dd if=heads-0.4-amd64-live.iso of=/dev/sdg1 |
| 19:54.05 | Digit | hiya, ^ similarly would be: dd if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso of=/dev/sdg1 ... but make sure you have the right location. dd is dangerous, wont ask if you're sure, n wont be stopped by things like permissions. |
| 19:54.26 | hiya | Found it |
| 19:54.35 | hiya | Done with it Digit |
| 19:54.45 | hiya | Now, I need to reboot and check |
| 19:55.03 | Digit | same. tho i'm also waiting on an upgrade. :) |
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| 19:59.29 | hiya | Digit, What upgrade? |
| 19:59.40 | hiya | you want debian testing? |
| 20:00.10 | Digit | just upgrading my devuan ceres. long overdue. |
| 20:00.59 | hiya | ok |
| 20:01.02 | hiya | I am rebooting |
| 20:01.11 | hiya | meet you in 15-20 mins post testing |
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| 20:05.28 | Digit | well, managed to test mine on my laptop. something didnt take. ... wondering if i got ripped off on this pendrive, or if i didnt issue the command correctly, or... checking the list of things. |
| 20:06.50 | debdog | Digit is currently doing dd if=heads-0.4-amd64-live.iso of=/dev/sdg1 <-- shouldn't that be just /dev/sdg? |
| 20:07.07 | Digit | snaps his fingers and points |
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| 20:07.25 | debdog | also, in many cases the cp command does the trick as well |
| 20:07.48 | Digit | hopefully hiya sorted their own before i went advising wrongness. |
| 20:13.07 | ]BFG[ | key for a perfect system: dd if=/lib/systemd/systemd of=/dev/sda |
| 20:13.13 | ]BFG[ | everything you will ever need |
| 20:14.21 | Digit | screams in horror, has a panic attack, projectile vomits, and spasms about in seizure |
| 20:14.43 | Digit | ]BFG[: careful! some of us are dealing with ptsd from systemdont. ;p |
| 20:15.53 | MinceR | can The Holy UEFI boot it that way? |
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