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| 01:15.24 | mtnman | devuan@devuan:~$ pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover |
| 01:15.25 | mtnman | Failure: Module initialization failed |
| 01:15.25 | mtnman | devuan@devuan:~$ pactl list short | grep bluetooth |
| 01:15.41 | mtnman | ASCII live-desktop |
| 01:21.48 | Digit | is sure htop's still insisting way higher cpu use since before upgrade and mixing repos for the supposedly right udev/eudev/whatever |
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| 03:18.38 | gnarface | if patrickr comes back, someone tell him there is an outstanding known issue with resizing jessie-era ext4 filesystems with later versions of the e2fsprogs |
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| 14:13.58 | debdog | is there something wrong with i386 packages on Devuan Ascii or is it just me? https://dpaste.de/4bL9/raw |
| 14:14.35 | debdog | (attemting to install winehq-devel https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian) |
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| 14:21.47 | Liebach | Hello. |
| 14:23.02 | gnarface | debdog: did you have any better luck with the wine-development in the repo? |
| 14:23.11 | gnarface | Liebach: greetings |
| 14:24.33 | debdog | LANG=C aptitude install wine-devel |
| 14:24.33 | debdog | wine-devel is already installed at the requested version (3.13.0~stretch) |
| 14:24.43 | debdog | oops, wasn't aware this is already installed :D |
| 14:24.54 | debdog | well, g2g, bbl |
| 14:25.25 | debdog | is this from the std. devuan repo? gnarface |
| 14:25.58 | gnarface | that looks like it's from debian |
| 14:26.25 | gnarface | or something else... |
| 14:26.29 | gnarface | no that might be winehq |
| 14:27.01 | gnarface | the one in ceres right now is 3.12-3 |
| 14:27.09 | debdog | hmm |
| 14:27.12 | debdog | ok |
| 14:27.29 | debdog | this wine stuff got really weird in the past few years |
| 14:27.34 | gnarface | note that development and staging aren't the same in wine |
| 14:27.41 | debdog | ok |
| 14:28.13 | gnarface | staging you can only get from winehq or compile yourself, development is slightly more stable and available in the devuan repos natively |
| 14:28.41 | debdog | I'd prefer the winehq packes, though. since they install into /opt and it's easy to keep an installed version when updating and hence having several wine versions installed |
| 14:28.48 | gnarface | development probably works for most stuff but some recent changes in WoW need staging patches |
| 14:28.56 | debdog | well, I'll have another look at it later |
| 14:31.05 | Lieke | Apparently wine-development from Debian needs systemd though :P |
| 14:31.11 | Lieke | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=904041 |
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| 14:31.34 | gnarface | really? |
| 14:31.38 | gnarface | i haven't tried it in a while |
| 14:31.51 | gnarface | should be possible to build it without |
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| 15:00.53 | AlexLikeRock | good mornig GNUs ! |
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| 16:46.35 | _stephen_ | Ooh, anyone see this renegade elite thing? a 4gb sbc by the libre computer and firefly people? |
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| 16:53.16 | _stephen_ | I'm thinking it would make a nice devaun desktop. |
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| 16:54.56 | _stephen_ | Suppose an arm64 raspi image would be the thing to boot on it? |
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| 18:13.17 | minnesotags | Freaking unbelievable!!!! I have been struggling with getting sound on my Panasonic Toughbook forever, and all it took was adding "alsactl init" to the tail end of the alsa-utils file in /etc/init.d/ !!!!! Why! Why???? Whhhhhyyyyyy!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:40.19 | kaun | Hi. Long-time Debian user here (since 2.2 Potato). |
| 18:41.26 | kaun | I'm here solely because I see SystemD muddying my system to the point that I can't understand it. |
| 18:42.02 | kaun | What would I lose by moving to Devuan? Apart from what I want to lose ;-) |
| 18:43.03 | golinux | kaun: Hopefully nothing. |
| 18:43.41 | kaun | Debian's focus on making packages work together sensibly takes a lot of maintainer effort, I guess; how could Devuan do anything similar? |
| 18:44.42 | kaun | I'm not talking 3D-animated desktop here. Just the base system + light X. |
| 18:45.57 | golinux | Except for the packages that Devuan alters, Devian repos are accessible by a merged-redirect |
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| 18:46.11 | golinux | Debian, of course |
| 18:47.15 | golinux | You can search for available packages here: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 18:48.13 | golinux | Packages requiring systemd are banned or repackaged. |
| 18:49.43 | kaun | Isn't that a big set of packages? |
| 18:51.53 | golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 18:52.12 | kaun | Thanks. |
| 18:55.02 | kaun | No GNOME in that list? |
| 18:55.31 | golinux | Nope |
| 18:55.39 | kaun | Sorry, I guess repackaged is a separate list. |
| 18:55.59 | golinux | No one has stepped forward to de-fang it. |
| 18:56.47 | kaun | Hmmm, awesomewm user here. I was just curious. |
| 18:57.06 | golinux | I think a few folks have managed to get it running. |
| 18:57.19 | golinux | Awesome! |
| 18:58.33 | golinux | We do have network-manager working though I don't understand why anyone would want to use it. LOL! |
| 19:11.55 | kaun | It beats figuring out dynamic interface names. |
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| 19:22.33 | _stephen_ | what's that have to do with network manager? |
| 19:25.09 | kaun | It auto-configures for you? I modify /etc/interfaces myself |
| 19:25.38 | _stephen_ | Interface names change between use? |
| 19:26.11 | kaun | Yes, for USB networking. |
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| 19:28.33 | _stephen_ | That sounds terrible. |
| 19:28.56 | _stephen_ | I thought that was fixed when non-usb interface name changing was fixed... |
| 19:29.35 | kaun | Well, I have run into it on Stretch the past couple of months. |
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| 19:32.13 | _stephen_ | I'll have to read up on this, it seems like something that would bite me some day. |
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| 19:35.40 | _stephen_ | I didn't have any problem with identical pci devices and naming... how is usb different? |
| 19:36.11 | kaun | Names changed for me for the same device, maybe it was across upgrades ... |
| 19:36.40 | _stephen_ | Oh, on the same device... similar but maybe different... |
| 19:39.20 | _stephen_ | I did notice that built-in nics get names like ethX, but my USB dongle is annoyingly enx0015ff... |
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| 19:44.09 | _stephen_ | Out of curiosity, is it preferred to use 'apt' or 'apt-get' when installing packages? |
| 19:44.24 | _stephen_ | Previously I used apt-get because apt had the scary warning about not being recommended for scripts. |
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| 22:28.44 | patrickr | Thank you gnarface! |
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