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02:29.18 | paw | Hi, I'm hoping to migrate a system from debian testing (buster) to devuan, is there any straight forward way to do this? |
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03:11.37 | gnarface | paw: the process shouldn't be any different. devuan testing is called beowulf. it might be broken right now though. |
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03:15.23 | golinux | paw: I can't remember if anyone has tried that yet. |
03:16.36 | golinux | Depends on your setup. Not much has been done on Beowulf yet. |
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07:10.54 | ServiceRobot | hey peeps |
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07:13.40 | ServiceRobot | I think I realized why openrc-init isn't quite working with me. it ignores ignore /etc/inittab, which means ttys are not spawned automatically for me |
07:13.47 | ServiceRobot | so it gets stuck at the default runlevel |
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07:21.26 | ServiceRobot | thing is there doesn't seem to be any alternative service files I can find that would replace inittab, or call it directly from openrc |
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07:34.30 | Pr0metheus | hi, I see there is a gnome package available, will it work if I install it? |
07:34.53 | ServiceRobot | I wouldn't even touch gnome if I were you |
07:35.43 | Pr0metheus | ok thank you |
07:35.58 | ServiceRobot | I'm not sure how functional it is in devuan without systemd. heard it's a pain to maintain without it but not sure |
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07:36.17 | ServiceRobot | I would wait for someone with more information |
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09:28.28 | Pr0metheus | could someone help me set the sources for ceres correctly: https://justpaste.it/4dce9 apt reports E: The repository 'https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates Release' does not have a Release file. |
09:28.28 | Pr0metheus | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
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09:36.02 | Pr0metheus | ok found it:) |
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10:55.09 | Pr0metheus | is there a way to download a package manually? I need to fix somehow eudev as it has dependency problems on ceres but there are no download links in https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=eudev&release=ceres |
10:55.58 | djph | Pr0metheus: probably a debian-native package then |
10:56.42 | Pr0metheus | eudev does not exist in debian, it's a devuan package |
10:57.06 | Pr0metheus | it's the fork from gentoo, if I am correct |
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18:19.30 | koollman | on a remote server where I cannot boot iso or pxe (but I can wipe it as much as I want), what would be a good way to install devuan ? trying to go from jessie->devuan ascii, or creating a chroot then trying to boot into it? or is there some equivalent to hd-media for the installer ? |
18:27.12 | koollman | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii or https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install I guess |
18:31.28 | gnarface | you mean debian jessie to devuan ascii? |
18:31.34 | gnarface | or devuan jessie to devuan ascii? |
18:31.51 | ErRandir | can you create a VM and install it in there? |
18:32.47 | gnarface | (in most cases, either will work, but the problems you might run into won't be testable in a VM and won't be fixable remotely if it fails to reboot due to hardware compatibility issues) |
18:33.34 | koollman | to devuan ascii |
18:33.51 | koollman | I'm fairly sure hardware compat is ok. old-ish hardware |
18:34.02 | koollman | at worst I will reinstall the server and try again |
18:34.30 | koollman | ErRandir: I could. but I want devuan as the base os |
18:40.25 | gnarface | koollman: i've successfully upgraded several things directly from jessie->jessie, as well as from jessie->ascii. either should work. |
18:40.50 | ErRandir | so do you want to install devuan using a HDD partition? |
18:40.58 | gnarface | koollman: things that can go wrong that aren't related to kernel regressions would typically be caused by prior mixing of distro versions or 3rd party repos |
18:41.06 | koollman | ErRandir: I consider it, as one option |
18:41.23 | koollman | debian jessie to devuan ascii seems to be the simplest option |
18:41.41 | gnarface | if you're not using a graphical login manager, it might be. |
18:42.00 | koollman | unless I can make some system from debootstrap and boot on it (so I would be sure to have no debian leftover) |
18:42.30 | gnarface | i've successfully installed with devuan's debootstrap too. i don't know if they ever patched debian's to work with devuan or not. |
18:42.56 | koollman | I won't be using a login manager, or a window manager. this is just a ssh server that will run some process. And maybe lxc, depending how that works |
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18:43.58 | gnarface | the package-conflict problems i've run into were all to do with conflicting polkit stuff for graphical login. |
18:44.17 | gnarface | if you don't have any of that stuff installed you probably won't run into problems. |
18:44.35 | gnarface | as always, you should make a backup first, just in case. |
18:44.40 | koollman | no data :) |
18:45.52 | koollman | (so I'm confident that I can fail a few times, because I litteraly have nothing to lose on that machine. at worst I'll reset it with an automated debian install or boot to rescue) |
18:46.26 | gnarface | oh i did run into one problem with reiserfs due to a broken wrapper script and bad luck |
18:46.33 | gnarface | the same problem might affect other filesystems |
18:46.41 | gnarface | but not ext4 (because they didn't break the wrapper script for it) |
18:49.27 | koollman | I'll use ext4 or xfs. And I may try zfsonlinux (but not on root) later to see if it can be compiled/loaded on a devuan kernel (which should be pretty close to debian, right?) |
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18:56.59 | gnarface | koollman: the kernel is identical. it's not even repackaged. |
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18:57.59 | gnarface | koollman: also fyi i've even successfully upgraded systems from debian wheezy to devuan jessie |
18:58.27 | koollman | good. then it should mostly work, although I may have to rebuild zfsonlinux packages to change some depends |
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19:00.35 | gnarface | in ascii and jessie, everything that could have systemd dependencies removed by simply repackaging, has been |
19:01.00 | gnarface | everything else has been banned |
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19:01.16 | gnarface | but the vast majority of packages remain unaltered |
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19:04.19 | gnarface | (even up to the point that the udev daemon is still obnoxiously called 'systemd-udevd' despite not actually requiring systemd anymore) |
19:05.04 | Pr0metheus | is anyone running qemu successfully? I am receiving an error "no polkit agent" |
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19:06.00 | gnarface | i'm not using it right now but it was still working in ceres very recently.... |
19:06.23 | gnarface | maybe you're missing or have the wrong polkit package installed? |
19:06.29 | gnarface | hmmm |
19:06.40 | gnarface | no that can't be it, because i don't have any polkit packages installed... |
19:07.00 | Pr0metheus | hmm, I remove all qemu packages, and reiinstalled, will try to remove all polkit and see |
19:07.12 | gnarface | are you on ascii? |
19:07.25 | Pr0metheus | ah no, it can't work, I am in ceres |
19:07.50 | Pr0metheus | If I remove polkit it will uninstall most... |
19:08.01 | gnarface | well, probably your graphical login manager |
19:08.18 | gnarface | what is your exact qemu command? |
19:08.47 | Pr0metheus | I use virt-manager |
19:08.50 | gnarface | ah |
19:08.58 | gnarface | virt-manager is suspect to me here |
19:09.13 | gnarface | well, to be fair, virt-manager is always suspect to me |
19:09.22 | Pr0metheus | I guess you mean I should try to use command line if possible? |
19:09.30 | gnarface | yea |
19:09.42 | gnarface | or at least figure out how virt-manager is calling it |
19:10.00 | gnarface | make sure it's right |
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19:10.21 | gnarface | oh |
19:10.22 | gnarface | hmmm |
19:10.33 | gnarface | i wonder if it could just be a mundane permissions error though too |
19:10.40 | Pr0metheus | mundane/ |
19:10.42 | Pr0metheus | ? |
19:10.59 | gnarface | are you sure your user has access to /dev/kvm? |
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19:11.14 | Pr0metheus | I added him to group kvm |
19:11.22 | gnarface | did you relog? |
19:11.29 | Pr0metheus | yes many times |
19:11.45 | gnarface | it was a thought |
19:11.55 | gnarface | what happens if you run it as root? |
19:12.03 | gnarface | same error? |
19:12.05 | Pr0metheus | let me check |
19:12.27 | Pr0metheus | cannot find suitable emulator |
19:12.38 | Pr0metheus | for x86x64 |
19:12.38 | gnarface | that's different |
19:13.11 | gnarface | that makes it sound like it's missing something |
19:13.19 | Pr0metheus | let me see for x86 package |
19:13.27 | gnarface | or calling the wrong qemu binary... |
19:14.59 | Pr0metheus | ok found a package qemu system x86 and installed it now it connects as root without error |
19:15.32 | Pr0metheus | ah wait |
19:15.48 | Pr0metheus | there is QEMU/KVM and QEMU/User session |
19:15.54 | Pr0metheus | now I can connect to user session |
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19:17.44 | Pr0metheus | great:) It worked but will try to reboot and do it again and then I'll remove gnome-boxes:) |
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19:18.03 | gnarface | cool |
19:19.02 | Pr0metheus | I changed from debian to devuan after reading some posts on systemd, which without knowing its inner parts I had a feeling the system was not working well |
19:19.50 | Pr0metheus | and got rid of pulseaudio after also reading some staff... |
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19:24.28 | Pr0metheus | forgot to mention that with devuan I finally got rid of network-manager and no more problems on each login |
19:30.39 | gnarface | Pr0metheus: congrats :) welcome aboard |
19:31.12 | Pr0metheus | thanks |
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19:33.14 | Pr0metheus | apart from a problem i found in eudev, the bad part is the look of xfce that my wife finds old-fashioned:P |
19:33.53 | gnarface | i don't like it either, personally |
19:34.10 | gnarface | but there are a bunch of alternatives in the repo. you can switch it, you know that, right? |
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19:35.10 | Pr0metheus | yeap, but what else |
19:35.20 | Pr0metheus | is surely working? |
19:35.50 | gnarface | they should all work on ascii and jessie |
19:35.59 | gnarface | apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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19:53.03 | Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: xfce is old fashioned?? no... it's functional and clean without being spartan. |
19:54.00 | Pr0metheus | Centurion_Dan yeah I agree, old-fashioned concerning its look, now I am looking at icon-sets and themes to make it look better:) |
19:54.17 | Pr0metheus | I guess you are not married:P |
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19:55.40 | Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: I am actually, with 3 children - 2 at school and 1 preschool |
19:56.09 | Pr0metheus | you use the same computer with your wife? |
19:57.30 | Centurion_Dan | no, she's still on jessie actually - and even uses the stock xfce theme and background - she likes mice ;-) |
19:58.01 | Pr0metheus | lol |
19:58.34 | Centurion_Dan | I actually prefer the Devuan dark-purpy them on ascii! |
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19:58.51 | Pr0metheus | well we went from gnome3 to xfce and it was a hit for her:P |
19:59.51 | Centurion_Dan | oh you poor things... I really feel for you... how did you cope living in that padded room (gnome3)?? |
19:59.51 | gnarface | try kde? |
20:00.34 | Pr0metheus | tried it in the past and not very fond of it |
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20:02.17 | Pr0metheus | I think I can manage to make xfce look better, there are some videos I am looking at:P |
20:02.25 | Centurion_Dan | I looked at gnome3 once... and nearly vommited... how do you??... what you mean?? ... click click ... what?? where's my work gone ??!!! ... aaaaahhh!!!! |
20:03.31 | Pr0metheus | Centurion_Dan well when I got used to it was ok |
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20:07.10 | golinux | Pr0metheus: What exactly don't you like with the Devuan default Xfce theme. Careful . . . this is a trick question |
20:08.19 | Pr0metheus | golinux well if you didn't catchup with the previous conversation, after I installed it my wife told me that it looks old-fashioned and she didn't like it, now I am changing the icons and the theme |
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20:17.27 | Pr0metheus | golinux moka icons look much better than the default |
20:17.35 | golinux | Pr0metheus: It looks classic and minimal to me |
20:17.49 | golinux | Eeeeewwwww! |
20:20.16 | golinux | moka icons are crass and disharmonious |
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20:20.57 | golinux | Does not create a peaceful, concentrated environment to work in. |
20:21.29 | Centurion_Dan | golinux: now now.. not everybody shares your tastes.. some have been ruined by windows 8... possibly for ever... |
20:21.33 | golinux | Oh well, choice is a good thing. |
20:21.52 | Centurion_Dan | ;o) |
20:22.01 | golinux | Win Me was the only windows I ever used. |
20:22.27 | Centurion_Dan | that explains alot!! ;-P |
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20:23.37 | golinux | Care to explain what that explains? Went from Me to Redhat (before ubuntu had arrived) |
20:24.31 | golinux | We had a RH evangelist in our local LUG |
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20:24.40 | golinux | But this is way OT |
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20:29.42 | Pr0metheus | well I was a DOS->Windows->(tried Linux 22 years ago and only crashed)->Windows....up to 10->Debian->Devuan |
20:32.30 | Hurgotron | 22 years ago I was already administrationa Linux web server. But still on (classic) MacOS on the desktop. |
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20:32.51 | Hurgotron | *administrating |
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20:35.35 | Pr0metheus | that must have been rough, 22 years ago |
20:36.23 | Hurgotron | The Linux or the Mac? :) |
20:36.50 | Pr0metheus | the linux, I never actually used Mac, only once tested it on Virtual box for 1 hour.... |
20:37.32 | Pr0metheus | we had 2 linux servers and I moved them to windows server as the attacks we received required one person only to look after them:P |
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20:40.36 | Pr0metheus | now a serious question, will we see Google as devuan sponsor in 6 months?:P |
20:43.43 | Hurgotron | The Linux server (RedHat 4.2, if I remember correctly) was super stable and the command line was not that much different. There were attacks, and I was using plain telnet initially (ssh was brand new at that time), but it taught me a lot about securing systems. |
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21:03.35 | golinux | Pr0metheus: ROTFLMAO |
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21:07.32 | Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: hell noo!!! Google == censorship == slavery |
21:08.59 | tradar | Pr0metheus: https://fuckoffgoogle.de |
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21:10.21 | Pr0metheus | :D |
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21:29.04 | golinux | tradar: Great site! (If a little too "mobile for me) |
21:29.25 | tradar | :) |
21:31.37 | tradar | golinux: there is also a simple wiki-like homepage https://wiki.fuckoffgoogle.de |
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