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| 00:25.57 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | **You need to auth to nickserv to talk!** | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 00:26.48 | xrogaan | I did not realize, but the version of mesa drivers available on ascii is ancient. |
| 00:27.27 | gnarface | what version is in ascii-ackports? |
| 00:27.52 | gnarface | mesa is something that changes so much lately you almost have to build it yourself to keep up |
| 00:30.21 | xrogaan | backports is the most recent one |
| 00:30.37 | xrogaan | 17.3.9-1~bpo9+1 |
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| 00:31.49 | gnarface | i'm not sure, but i think you may also need the kernel and xorg from backports to use it |
| 00:32.32 | xrogaan | aaaw: NOTE: It is anticipated that 17.3.9 will be the final release in the 17.3 series. Users of 17.3 are encouraged to migrate to the 18.0 series in order to obtain future fixes. |
| 00:33.44 | xrogaan | there is no xorg from backport |
| 00:33.56 | gnarface | no? oh |
| 00:34.19 | gnarface | i might have been thinking of jessie |
| 00:35.29 | xrogaan | it requires libdrm |
| 00:36.31 | xrogaan | libdrm doesn't depend on anything. |
| 00:36.42 | xrogaan | well, just libc. |
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| 03:27.56 | bigrat | got a new xps 9570 here, and can't seem to get devuan ascii booting on it. it doesn't look like legacy boot options work so well here. anyone ever got efi boot working for devuan? |
| 03:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred and @all: would you want to evaluate if infobot's d* commands are useful (and working)? d=debian. dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dstats |
| 03:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dstats |
| 03:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dauthor |
| 03:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops missed a few |
| 03:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dfind |
| 03:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess some of the commands are bitrotten and won't work anymore. I only can try getting fixed what I know is broken, though |
| 03:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not savvy enough with debian packaging to run tests with meaningful input data and check for a reasonable result. All I do know: first invokation of a command of the d* group takes a while since the bot obviously updates its databases (apt update) |
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| 04:25.47 | bigrat | well, I've answered my own question: if you want to get devuan working on an xps 15 9570: |
| 04:26.19 | bigrat | 1) you have to disable secure boot, but leave uefi enabled. legacy options do *nothing* |
| 04:26.55 | bigrat | 2) force uefi during the devuan install. make sure to boot uefi install and not legacy. |
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| 04:28.10 | bigrat | 3) once you install, go back to the bios and add a uefi boot option for your new efi partition and point at the /boot/efi/EFI/devuan/grubx64.efi |
| 04:28.47 | grobbulus | Hi guys I have a question. During the installation when GRUB is being installed theres a message saying that 'it seems my computer is configured to boot from EFI' and it asked me if i wanted to install grub in a fallback sector yadda yadda. I installed fine, but I'm curious to know if I did something for that to appear, as I had always used MBR, or if that depends on my hardware (for example I installed with a GPT table before) |
| 04:29.23 | grobbulus | Also I have BIOS |
| 04:30.54 | bigrat | your laptop is configured to boot from both legacy bios and efi. you probably defaulted to the efi boot, but since you have legacy enabled, the machine detected mbr and booted from it |
| 04:33.45 | grobbulus | I see, and can I change that configuration? and how is it that it defaults to efi? Could it have been me by installing a GPT table in a previous install? |
| 04:34.15 | bigrat | to clarify: your bios is set to allow both legacy and uefi, I think |
| 04:34.26 | bigrat | I would bet that it defaults to uefi |
| 04:34.49 | bigrat | the dvd iso installer supports the uefi boot, so it gets used |
| 04:35.18 | bigrat | when you install, you end up installing grub, such that it writes mbr |
| 04:35.46 | bigrat | computer reboots, bios now does not detect installer efi, but does detect hard drive mbr and boots from it |
| 04:35.56 | bigrat | this is my guess ;) |
| 04:36.13 | grobbulus | ah right. I had donde previous installs with debian and never got the message but once I did "expert mode" install and the message popped up. maybe in regular install it just chooses by default what to do |
| 04:36.19 | grobbulus | thank you btw |
| 04:36.24 | bigrat | np |
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| 04:39.08 | grobbulus | one final question, that configuration would be of BIOS config and not depend on anything that would be on the hard drive right? |
| 04:40.26 | bigrat | mbr vs uefi? |
| 04:40.48 | bigrat | it's an unholy matrimony of the install *and* the bios |
| 04:41.13 | bigrat | they both have to play nice to work right. I think you just got lucky ;) |
| 04:44.38 | grobbulus | I mean my previous GPT table is irrelevant to this if during the install I deleted all partitions no? Im just worried I messed things up doing a BIOS GPT table :P |
| 04:44.51 | grobbulus | in my previous arch install |
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| 05:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | OHMY!! I just ran into `man hostnamectl` - yet another cruft POS courtesy systemd & Poettering |
| 05:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF been wrong with `cat /etc/hostname`, `echo ACMEhost >/etc/hostname` |
| 05:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | things somebody is sitting there watching the monitor and jerking off each time a "*ctl* command name flies by |
| 05:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://pastebin.com/5HqW6rC6 |
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| 05:24.45 | TomKa | hi, just upgraded a devuan jessie desktop box to ascii. after that network, mouse, keyboard does not work. I guess upgrade from udev -> eudev went wrong. booted from sysresccd and chrootet to devuan ascii. what can i do to fix that? |
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| 06:32.02 | TomKa | on booting i can see a message like "initramfs no symbol table found" |
| 06:32.35 | TomKa | "press key to continue" after a few seconds booting is going on |
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| 08:00.02 | xkr47 | wohoo, my first PR! https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/lsb/merge_requests/4 |
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| 09:08.48 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: Poettering is a "ctl" freak |
| 09:10.13 | Centurion_Dan | TomKa: sounds like you failed to build the initramfs for the new kernel installed during the upgrade... very odd if that was the case. |
| 09:14.20 | TomKa | Centurion_Dan: yeah really odd, because no mouse, keyboard and no network ;-) switched back to devuan jessie, because this box is needed today. will try it again in a few days |
| 09:15.02 | TomKa | and then i will look especially to initramfs |
| 09:16.42 | Centurion_Dan | the only thing I can think of that would cause that is if the upgrade failed for some reason... or your /boot is on it's own partition and filled up... |
| 09:17.10 | Centurion_Dan | but you should have seen that failure reported at the end.. |
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| 18:04.59 | telmich | good evening |
| 18:09.20 | gnarface | telmich: just a tip about the perversity of IRC etiquette: greetings usually go unacknowledged. if you've got a question just ask it. don't wait for permission to ask. if someone can answer they will. |
| 18:10.13 | gnarface | telmich: (the converse of that is that if you open with "test" someone will often take that seriously and acknowledge you) |
| 18:10.43 | gnarface | i'm only mentioning this because i'm the last person on IRC who still remembers what it was like to be a normal person |
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| 18:15.26 | MinceR | lol |
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| 18:27.10 | sixwheeledbeast | Who wants to be normal |
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| 18:38.16 | Beerbelott | Devuan's bug tracker *works*! https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=236 |
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| 18:39.52 | Beerbelott | It seems Debian folks do not like it much when Devuan is mentioned: I took that as an opportunity to push them away from their daemons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907003 |
| 18:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | test |
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| 18:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ugt |
| 18:42.25 | infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 18:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | good morning telmich |
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| 18:44.48 | golinux | Good afternoon telmich! |
| 18:44.56 | golinux | afk |
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| 19:13.57 | telmich | good to see you, DocScrutinizer05 & golinux ! |
| 19:14.21 | telmich | gnarface: no problem, I'm not a normale person either |
| 19:32.07 | gnarface | sorry telmich, my mistake |
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| 22:41.03 | andi89gi | Hi guys, well I have recognised that my lap with mate desktop did not run fluently and at the end i coudln't work properly. Xfce desktop work brilliant |
| 22:43.36 | saptech | andi89gi, what are the specs/brand is it? My IBM Thinkpad T420 runs pretty good with Mate, though it have Debian Testing on it |
| 22:44.03 | saptech | it's an i5 with 4gb of ram |
| 22:46.02 | andi89gi | i have dell 8GB ram i3 |
| 22:46.36 | andi89gi | i don't know actually the modellxD |
| 22:48.15 | saptech | and it didn't run good with mate |
| 22:48.23 | saptech | interesting |
| 22:48.46 | andi89gi | Well not really :/ i don't know why; cinnamon is no problem |
| 22:49.09 | andi89gi | it's the first time mate doesn't run good |
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