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| 01:42.36 | Centurion_Dan | g4570n: should be auto.mirrors.devuan.org or packages.devuan.org |
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| 01:45.44 | Centurion_Dan | pav5088: you need to convert debian boxes to Devuan. |
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| 01:55.57 | pav5088 | Centurion_Dan, unfortunately some software I use seems to now require systemd ie. OPSI (a system for installing/configuring desktops and servers) https://www.opsi.org/news/news-detail/news/the-new-41-release-makes-opsi-even-more-flexible-and-versatile/ |
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| 01:58.57 | pav5088 | hmmm... seems to be official : opsi 4.1 will support only systemd as init-system. Other init-systems will not be officially supported anymore |
| 01:59.01 | pav5088 | VERY annoying |
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| 02:03.05 | Centurion_Dan | pav5088: do you have a choice? |
| 02:05.32 | Centurion_Dan | pav5088: I spent a day in the debian channel a couple of days ago, and frankly they struck me as stuckup unfriendly and entirely unhelpful... |
| 02:07.14 | pav5088 | Centurion_Dan, not unless I can find another systemd-less solution for installing and configuring Windows desktops (yeah, I know). |
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| 02:10.29 | pav5088 | What's nice about OPSI is that it can be integrated with LDAP... and there's a nice LDAP front end called FusionDirectory (based on the system they used in the Munich city council). FusionDirectory can be used to control OPSI for windows deployments, FAI for Debian, and can control network users, file sharing, email configuration, dhcp, rsyslog etc... etc... |
| 02:11.02 | Centurion_Dan | pav5088: have you talked to them about retaining compatability for sysvinit systems? |
| 02:11.43 | pav5088 | Centurion_Dan, well... I could try, but I'm not a paying customer so I don't think it would be worth much. |
| 02:11.49 | Centurion_Dan | That would be your first port of call... |
| 02:12.04 | g4570n | Centurion_Dan: golinux this is the error with jessie: https://t.me/devuanlinux/9292 screenshots |
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| 02:19.34 | Centurion_Dan | g4570n: why jessie... is ascii not a better choice? |
| 02:20.16 | g4570n | Etertics is based in jessie, is not yet available for ascii |
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| 02:22.12 | g4570n | some problem with the SDK that has not been solved to have ascii |
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| 02:51.45 | Centurion_Dan | g4570n: ok... fair enough.. |
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| 03:39.26 | pav5088 | Oh wonderful... I have something to share from the Debian networking docs... |
| 03:39.34 | pav5088 | As of Stretch, the old network names like eth0, eth1 have gone away as the device name can change. The new names are similar to these: enp6s0, enp8s0, enp0s31f6, enp5s0. Sadly, the system used is still somewhat arbitrary in that it relies on the BIOS enumeration which changes with buggy BIOSs and under some situations. (That it wasn't based on a reduced sumcheck of the MAC address (2c:56:ac:39:ec:0d becomes 98) or some similar method is puzzling (udev |
| 03:39.34 | pav5088 | can do such things) and the names we are left with are rather user unfriendly). |
| 03:40.38 | syco- | ;systemd |
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| 04:37.53 | systemdlete | pav5088, is that caused by udev? Is it possible that (what is it, eudev?) devuan could continue using the more canonical names? |
| 04:39.30 | pav5088 | systemdlete, it must be... I'm using Devuan Ascii and I still have eth0, though I guess I didn't install from scratch. |
| 04:40.13 | systemdlete | I'm booting beowulf... see what it has |
| 04:40.52 | systemdlete | beowulf uses the ethX identifiers |
| 04:41.23 | systemdlete | I don't have ceres or chimaera (idk if anyone has that) so I can't check |
| 04:41.26 | systemdlete | those |
| 04:42.24 | systemdlete | pav5088: I did install devuan ascii from scratch, and it uses ethX also |
| 04:42.49 | systemdlete | I believe syco- is right... systemd and eudev |
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| 05:40.41 | golinux | The traditional ethx interface names were restored in ascii and will be continued in future releases. |
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| 06:28.02 | systemdlete | golinux, what were they in jessie |
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| 06:28.49 | fbt | I still don't see good reasons for the new scheme. |
| 06:29.12 | fbt | I always hated how freebsd would name interfaces depending on the driver |
| 06:29.35 | fbt | That's dumb. I don't care which driver the interface uses wtf |
| 06:30.01 | fbt | And the naming persistency is solved with udev already |
| 06:30.47 | fbt | i.e. just generate a persistent mac-based config, like we've been doing for years, what's wrong with that? |
| 06:30.58 | fbt | Why do I care if naming persists across systems? |
| 06:37.35 | pav5088 | fbt: But there could be strange corner cases which almost noone gets burned by eg. ifconfig eth0 might fly out your fingers, but it might be the wan link instead of the lan... ;) ;) It might waste some of that time you'd saved up by not having to look up interface names all those years. |
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| 07:07.59 | ksx4system | who manages list of current Devuan mirrors? it looks like mine (devuan.ksx4system.net) has to be updated, it's presented as HTTP only but supports HTTPS too (and it did for every day in 2018) |
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| 07:14.49 | KatolaZ | ksx4system: is it an ISO mirror? |
| 07:15.07 | KatolaZ | yes it is |
| 07:15.13 | ksx4system | KatolaZ: yup, iso only |
| 07:15.14 | KatolaZ | will ask golinux to update it |
| 07:15.22 | KatolaZ | thanks for letting us know :) |
| 07:15.26 | ksx4system | no prob :) |
| 07:15.58 | ksx4system | btw if it's important: currently it's geographically very close to Silicon Valley in USA |
| 07:16.14 | KatolaZ | ksx4system: any chance you can host a package mirror as well? |
| 07:16.22 | KatolaZ | we are short of mirrors in North America, atm |
| 07:16.30 | KatolaZ | (package mirrors, it is) |
| 07:16.39 | ksx4system | KatolaZ: I'd like to but probably I don't have enough disk space as of now |
| 07:16.50 | ksx4system | how much disk space is needed for deb mirror?? |
| 07:16.56 | KatolaZ | the package mirror is small compared to the ISO |
| 07:17.09 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 07:17.24 | ksx4system | lol seriously? if it's 10GB-ish or even 20GB-ish then of course I can (and will!) host one :) |
| 07:17.42 | KatolaZ | it's about 10 GB |
| 07:17.51 | ksx4system | ez |
| 07:17.54 | KatolaZ | ad would be more useful than a ISO mirror atm |
| 07:18.09 | KatolaZ | ksx4system: it's due to the redirects |
| 07:18.09 | KatolaZ | most of the packages come from debian |
| 07:18.32 | ksx4system | mkay, how do I throw a deb mirror? iso mirror needs a small script in cron |
| 07:18.38 | ksx4system | rsync every hour or sth |
| 07:18.46 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 07:18.56 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt ksx4system |
| 07:19.16 | KatolaZ | it needs a cron script + a few http redirects |
| 07:19.31 | KatolaZ | it would be great if you could also setup things to get in the DNS round-robin |
| 07:19.45 | ksx4system | http redirects... hmm, hopefully lighttpd can handle it |
| 07:19.51 | KatolaZ | I was about to write an email on DNG about pur current mirror coverage |
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| 07:20.10 | KatolaZ | s/pur/our |
| 07:20.47 | ksx4system | I think there's no problem to set up some stuff in DNS too, I've got pretty good DNS provider :) |
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| 07:21.42 | KatolaZ | you don't need anything like that |
| 07:21.55 | KatolaZ | we would just add your mirror to the deb.devuan.org round-robin |
| 07:22.03 | KatolaZ | it;s transparent on the mirror's side |
| 07:22.19 | ksx4system | oh, ok |
| 07:22.24 | KatolaZ | please go through the walkthrough |
| 07:22.34 | KatolaZ | and shout it you have any question |
| 07:22.36 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 07:22.46 | ksx4system | btw big fat warning: I've got limited traffic (1,5TB/mo) |
| 07:22.51 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 07:23.05 | KatolaZ | it should be more than enough |
| 07:23.19 | KatolaZ | we have 15-16 mirrors in the RR atm |
| 07:23.26 | ksx4system | cool |
| 07:23.33 | KatolaZ | and you can pull out if you need to |
| 07:23.38 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 07:23.43 | KatolaZ | it's not a contract for life :D |
| 07:23.43 | ksx4system | lol, I'll just buy more traffic |
| 07:23.53 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 07:24.00 | ksx4system | fsck it, Devuan for life actually |
| 07:25.07 | KatolaZ | ksx4system: btw, lighthttpd should have url.redirect |
| 07:25.29 | KatolaZ | actually, it would be good to update the walkthrough with instructions fot lighthttps, once you are at it |
| 07:25.43 | ksx4system | of course it has url redirection mechanism but it's a bit crazy |
| 07:25.59 | KatolaZ | I mean, if you could share the redirects config we could include it in the walkthrough for future reference |
| 07:26.05 | KatolaZ | yeah I know it's not immediate :) |
| 07:26.06 | ksx4system | brb, gotta read this manual |
| 07:26.24 | KatolaZ | np |
| 07:26.32 | KatolaZ | shout if you need help |
| 07:31.12 | ksx4system | KatolaZ: well, afaics lighttpd should take pretty much the same regexp as nginx does but I'll provide an update with complete config for lighty domain |
| 07:32.52 | KatolaZ | cool ksx4system |
| 07:32.53 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 07:32.54 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 07:33.00 | KatolaZ | please send patches over |
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| 07:50.58 | systemdlete | So a mirror only requires 10G? I think I could do that. I don't know if my uplink speed will suffice -- it is about 10Mbps, iirc |
| 07:51.36 | systemdlete | I have no monthly cap on data here. |
| 07:52.07 | systemdlete | maybe I'll take a look at hosting a mirror... |
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| 08:00.57 | systemdlete | but how large is a debian package mirror...? |
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| 08:04.03 | KatolaZ | systemdlete: you don't need to host a debian package mirror to host a devuan package mirror |
| 08:06.09 | KatolaZ | systemdlete: it would be better to have at least 100Mb/s |
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| 08:47.28 | systemdlete | KatolaZ: Sounds like this might be out of my league then. I know we get 200Mbps down (on a good day at least), but only abut 10-15 up |
| 08:48.01 | systemdlete | It's OK, though, I can find other ways to help the Devuan project I think. |
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| 09:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | does ldd show the lib *version* or is that hex value some other stuff like shasum or whatever? |
| 09:27.03 | debdog | " ldd displays the location of the matching object and the (hexadecimal) address at which it is loaded." |
| 09:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, ok. Thanks |
| 09:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would I print the version of a so lib? |
| 09:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem: typical bullshit error message of Qt/KDE: https://ptpb.pw/wfzp |
| 09:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not me, not devuan (user celmor and manjaro) |
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| 09:39.57 | debdog | usually the version is included in the file name |
| 09:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (version 0x50b01) ? |
| 09:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, what I said: the usual BS error message, completely useless. Who knows what this "version" really means |
| 09:59.27 | debdog | cannot even find out which lib it means |
| 10:00.18 | debdog | I meant like libqt5scintilla2.so.12.0.2 |
| 10:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's the root problem |
| 10:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt5ct ? |
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| 10:01.08 | debdog | 12.0.2 |
| 10:01.35 | debdog | sorry, I seem to sit on my brain today |
| 10:01.49 | debdog | I think I totally got you wrong |
| 10:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun detaul: the app (spectacle) crashes with https://ptpb.pw/wfzp during §xport image" -> "ouher application..." on typing 3rd char into search field. Could be spectacle itself, the Qt file requester, or *anything* "other app" introduced and referred to by that Qt file requester |
| 10:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | detail* |
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| 12:34.21 | xrogaan | there is a dependency issue with plymouth |
| 12:35.09 | xrogaan | > http://dpaste.com/19RD2C5 |
| 12:37.52 | xrogaan | some packages are missing too. Like plymouth=drm |
| 12:38.24 | xrogaan | nevermind, it's for oldstable. |
| 12:38.31 | xrogaan | (drm is for oldstable) |
| 12:38.38 | xrogaan | oldoldstable even |
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| 13:18.22 | pav5088 | It seems aptitude is no longer installed by default in Debian Stretch... (!?!?) |
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| 13:37.13 | fsmithred | pav5088, I think it depends on what kind of install you do. If you just install standard system utilities (without a desktop) you don't get aptitude. Never did in debian, either. |
| 13:37.34 | fsmithred | oops. You did say debian. |
| 13:37.43 | fsmithred | not in devuan, either. |
| 13:38.46 | pav5088 | fsmithred, I installed LXDE /w Debian, and I thought I usually got aptitude... |
| 13:39.20 | pav5088 | I'm just checking out Debian after using Devuan for quite a while... I've had a few shocks... eg. the new network interface namings. |
| 13:41.12 | pav5088 | Hmmm... it looks like they've included Mints "apt" command though... (as opposed to apt-get)... weird. |
| 13:41.24 | pav5088 | apt-get is still there of course. |
| 13:41.47 | pav5088 | I think "apt" is a simplified python apt-get wrapper. |
| 13:42.56 | fsmithred | apt is the preferred new command |
| 13:43.07 | fsmithred | (but not everyone prefers it) |
| 13:43.14 | fsmithred | and don't use it in scripts |
| 13:43.30 | pav5088 | Wasn't aptitude the preferred new command a few releases back? |
| 13:43.38 | fsmithred | yes |
| 13:44.09 | fsmithred | for lenny to wheezy (I think) it was the preferred method for upgrade to next release |
| 13:44.46 | fsmithred | if you want to revert to the old network names, boot with net.ifnames=0 |
| 13:45.10 | fsmithred | (and in devuan ascii, if you want the new names, boot with net.ifnames=1) |
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| 13:45.48 | pav5088 | I see... |
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| 13:52.47 | fsmithred | I use apt-get and aptitude. aptitude will sometimes give a solution to a problem with apt-get |
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| 14:45.14 | systemdlete | is there a ufw log parser in the repos? ufp does not seem to be there |
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| 14:52.56 | systemdlete | nvm. fwanalog might work |
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| 17:01.13 | fluffy_pigeons | Hi is there a way to switch repositories to testing painlessly? I had tried to add testing repository to apt sources list and dist-upgrade, but it broke my system. I just want to have fresh packages. |
| 17:02.14 | gnarface | well, bad timing because testing is super broken right now |
| 17:02.34 | gnarface | the impulse to "have fresh packages" might actually be deceptively harmful though |
| 17:02.42 | gnarface | (even if testing weren't broken) |
| 17:03.01 | gnarface | either way, you should have tried backports first |
| 17:03.18 | gnarface | and in general, you should only get stuff from there when you have a specific need for it |
| 17:03.48 | gnarface | "fresh packages" are usually the very definition of risk prone even on the best days |
| 17:04.22 | fluffy_pigeons | Ok thanks for explaining. I'll just wait for next release. |
| 17:04.36 | gnarface | you should really try backports... |
| 17:04.50 | gnarface | that said, i actually have had better luck with unstable than testing |
| 17:05.32 | gnarface | but most stuff is better run on stable unless like i said there is a very good reason for needing newer packages (like wine or nvidia driver incompatibilities or the like) |
| 17:06.07 | fluffy_pigeons | I see. |
| 17:06.41 | gnarface | keep in mind that despite the older version #s on the packages, stable has had all it's shots |
| 17:07.11 | gnarface | so being a version fetishist may not even actually gain you the security and protection you're seeking in this case |
| 17:07.32 | gnarface | since upstream debian backports security patches as a matter of procedure |
| 17:08.03 | gnarface | it's a bit different from how a lot of newer distros do things these days |
| 17:09.14 | gnarface | the primary thing that doesn't work right now anywhere but unstable is the latest Blizzard games and Battle.net client |
| 17:09.36 | gnarface | (due to requiring wine-staging and new nvidia drivers) |
| 17:10.57 | gnarface | but obviously since that's all out-of-distro software, it's not exactly a high priority |
| 17:12.27 | golinux | fluffy_pigeons: Always use the <releasename> in your sources.list - "jessie, ascii, beowulf, or ceres" not "oldstable, stable, testing or sid" |
| 17:13.15 | gnarface | some people HAVE run beowulf successfully but getting there wasn't pain-free |
| 17:13.26 | gnarface | that's asking a bit much at this point |
| 17:14.04 | golinux | Indeed. If you're using a DE, best not to upgrade yet. |
| 17:15.05 | fluffy_pigeons | Ok. I don't need Blizzard games, but just DE. Fun thing it isn't working |
| 17:16.00 | nemo | what is DE? |
| 17:17.11 | fluffy_pigeons | Now I'm using Xfce, but just because I'm too lazy to change it. But I'd prefer cinnamon. |
| 17:18.44 | golinux | nemo: Desktop Environment |
| 17:19.12 | golinux | afk |
| 17:19.47 | nemo | ah |
| 17:19.56 | nemo | fluffy_pigeons: I thought it was some particular game ⺠|
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| 17:20.23 | nemo | fluffy_pigeons: my brand new ascii install seems to be running MATE fairly well right now.. |
| 17:20.36 | nemo | which reminds me. gotta upgrade my SO's |
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| 18:04.29 | Pr0metheus | Hi! I receive an ALERT during bootup but I don't manage to see it as the process moves on fast. I tried to find the word "ALERT" in the logs but didn't manage, any idea how to search for it? |
| 18:04.51 | gnarface | dmesg |less |
| 18:04.53 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.58 | Pr0metheus | dmesg | less ALERT? |
| 18:06.07 | Pr0metheus | ah ok |
| 18:06.10 | Pr0metheus | pattern not foun |
| 18:06.10 | Pr0metheus | pattern not found |
| 18:06.22 | gnarface | hmm. case sensitive |
| 18:06.26 | gnarface | maybe |
| 18:06.40 | Pr0metheus | nope |
| 18:06.54 | Pr0metheus | oh well, I'll see if I manage to break it during boot |
| 18:07.17 | gnarface | oh, did you run dmesg as root? |
| 18:07.48 | gnarface | it needs root permission by default at some point... i'm not sure when it changed |
| 18:16.01 | gnarface | if you see it before the grub menu, it's coming from some hardware BIOS (usually motherboard, video card, or raid card) but if you see it after grub, it should be in dmesg... |
| 18:16.27 | gnarface | you could try searching all the top-level logs at once though with something like: zgrep -ni 'alert' /var/log/* |
| 18:16.31 | nacelle | Pr0metheus: grep. "zcat -f /var/log/*|grep ALERT" |
| 18:16.42 | gnarface | yea, or that |
| 18:16.49 | nacelle | forgets zgrep exists now |
| 18:17.42 | nacelle | the zgrep way is arguably the better route, dont listen to previous me ;-) |
| 18:18.51 | Pr0metheus | first time I hear about zgrep |
| 18:19.23 | gnarface | there is also zless now |
| 18:19.30 | Pr0metheus | found an ALERT:) |
| 18:19.38 | gnarface | oh cool, where at? |
| 18:20.07 | Pr0metheus | syslog.1.zip and mail.info mail.errr |
| 18:20.17 | Pr0metheus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.35 | gnarface | oh |
| 18:20.36 | Pr0metheus | I will purge exim4 :) |
| 18:20.44 | gnarface | no, just delete the paniclog |
| 18:20.51 | Pr0metheus | I removed evolution |
| 18:21.16 | gnarface | in this case it's usually caused by some temporary dns or ip error during setup. usually if you delete the panic log and ignore this error it never comes back. |
| 18:21.28 | Pr0metheus | do I need exim4? |
| 18:21.47 | gnarface | strictly speaking, no, but it's important for internal system reporting and notifications |
| 18:22.05 | Pr0metheus | ok I'll keep it:) |
| 18:22.26 | gnarface | basically if paniclog is not 0 bytes in size at startup, it warns you to check it. |
| 18:22.57 | Pr0metheus | ok I deleted it |
| 18:23.03 | gnarface | maybe you didn't complete the network setup before the first boot or something? |
| 18:23.10 | gnarface | or had a wrong setup? |
| 18:23.16 | Pr0metheus | I switched from network manager to wicd |
| 18:23.30 | Pr0metheus | during the upgrade, wicd starts after I login, it delays a little |
| 18:23.49 | gnarface | well, if the error comes back, you might actually have to read the paniclog to see what's going wrong |
| 18:23.59 | Pr0metheus | ok thanks gnarface |
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| 18:25.08 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 20:23.27 | xrogaan | why does plymouth requires systemd? That's stupid. |
| 20:24.48 | MinceR | because it's from nonfreedesktop.org |
| 20:27.12 | golinux | plymouth is stupid |
| 20:28.21 | xrogaan | can it be compiled without systemd? |
| 20:29.36 | xrogaan | there is something about populating initrd |
| 20:32.24 | xrogaan | there is a way to disable systemd with the configure thingy |
| 20:32.37 | xrogaan | https://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/tree/configure.ac#n129 |
| 20:33.50 | xrogaan | so it could be recompiled just for devuan, right? |
| 20:34.21 | xrogaan | reading this, it seems the package got banned https://bugs.devuan.org/db/21/211.html |
| 20:36.11 | gnarface | yea, and i bet if you try to rebuild it you'll find out why |
| 20:36.18 | fsmithred | xrogaan, download the debianized source and try it |
| 20:36.32 | gnarface | apt-get source [package name] |
| 20:36.37 | fsmithred | it might be easy or difficult. I'll bet nobody in devuan has tried it |
| 20:37.12 | fsmithred | I see it in auto.mirror for ascii, and in pkgmaster and auto.mirror for jessie |
| 20:37.31 | fsmithred | otherwise, just go to packages.debian.org and download it |
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| 20:41.10 | xrogaan | seemed to have compiled without issue. |
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| 20:42.56 | xrogaan | how do I generate a .deb based on that? |
| 20:44.21 | fsmithred | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b |
| 20:44.37 | fsmithred | assuming you already did 'apt-get build-dep' as root |
| 20:44.41 | fsmithred | other stuff as user |
| 20:45.22 | fsmithred | you probably need to edit debian/control and debian/rules to remove the dep. |
| 20:45.36 | fsmithred | and debian/changelog to give it a new version |
| 20:46.20 | fsmithred | and if that's all, you're very lucky |
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| 20:50.29 | xrogaan | there is a override_dh_systemd_start |
| 20:50.34 | xrogaan | should I remove that? |
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| 20:50.49 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 20:50.57 | xrogaan | i don't know what that is |
| 20:51.04 | fsmithred | neither do I |
| 20:51.13 | fsmithred | but look for --with-systemd |
| 20:52.19 | xrogaan | i removed anything with systemd |
| 20:53.24 | xrogaan | there are still some garbage in debian/ |
| 20:53.50 | xrogaan | in plymouth.links and plymouth.postint |
| 20:55.12 | fsmithred | you might need to make changes in the postinstall script |
| 20:55.28 | xrogaan | buildpackage needs to be told to not compile with systemd |
| 20:55.46 | fsmithred | yeah, that would be in the rules file |
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| 20:57.54 | xrogaan | yeah |
| 20:58.40 | xrogaan | dh_install --fail-missing plymouth missing files: lib/systemd |
| 20:58.41 | fsmithred | I don't know enough about it to give you real help |
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| 21:00.39 | xrogaan | need to edit plymouth.install too |
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| 21:05.02 | xrogaan | well, it compiled and generated packages. |
| 21:06.15 | gnarface | interesting |
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| 21:15.13 | xrogaan | not gonna install and test though, since it's touching sensitive stuff. |
| 21:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: ping |
| 21:19.36 | xrogaan | any of you have a test machine? |
| 21:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or anybody else with a clue about apt and packaging? could you test the apt-related bot commands please? |
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| 21:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dstats |
| 21:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dauthor |
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| 21:42.56 | fsmithred | dauthor or aptitude ~dauthor? |
| 21:44.51 | fsmithred | !dauthor refractainstaller-base jessie |
| 21:45.20 | fsmithred | !dauthor refractainstaller-base ascii |
| 21:45.53 | fsmithred | !dauthor gnome-games stretch |
| 21:46.35 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, I got a pm from infobot saying it's updating debian files |
| 21:46.45 | fsmithred | please wait |
| 21:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeahm that takes several minutes first time |
| 21:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | O *guess* the commands are (partially) bitrotten and need a fix to work again |
| 21:48.30 | fsmithred | brb |
| 21:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I* |
| 21:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dstats |
| 21:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | !dstats jessie |
| 21:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+dstats jessie |
| 21:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+dstats |
| 21:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | MHM |
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| 21:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+dstats stable |
| 22:05.10 | fsmithred | !+dauthor audacity testing |
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| 22:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it searches with author name as key? |
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| 22:09.09 | fsmithred | there's a Maintainer field in the package info |
| 22:09.13 | fsmithred | no Author |
| 22:09.57 | fsmithred | !+dmaintainer audacity testing |
| 22:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if all that stuff is worth it. Do you think it's useful in any way - assuming it could be convinced to work |
| 22:10.25 | fsmithred | I think people probaby already have ways to get that info |
| 22:10.33 | fsmithred | some of it |
| 22:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Latest version: 1.5.3 @ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 || SVN: 1.5.4 http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ - no idea if it's worth having a look and providing patches |
| 22:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly there's no command dmaintainer |
| 22:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | from !help and !help <command> I gather there's only dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dstats |
| 22:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you spot some more related commands in !help, please let me know |
| 22:17.00 | fsmithred | !help |
| 22:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can chat with bot in /query |
| 22:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't neet attention char ! then |
| 22:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | need* |
| 22:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "+" means "please paste output to channel instead of PM |
| 22:18.50 | fsmithred | ah, ok. thanks. |
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| 22:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | !query |
| 22:20.36 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 22:22.46 | andi89gi_ | Hi guys, do we take part on meetups, linux days/conferences? |
| 22:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: keep in mind that most of devuan related factoids are tagged (like "#devuan systemd") which means you get a response to "!systemd" in this channel (#devuan), but for same response anywhere else - incl queries - you need to ask for "!#devuan systemd" |
| 22:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | andi89gi_: I think usually or occasionally "we" do |
| 22:31.05 | andi89gi_ | okay thx for explaining it |
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| 22:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | andi89gi_: a very short 2explanation". Avery generic question as well |
| 22:40.25 | fsmithred | developer meetings are posted on devuan-dev mailing list |
| 22:40.39 | fsmithred | announced before meeting and notes posted later |
| 22:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, specific devuan meetings. Yes those exists, every week afaik |
| 22:42.27 | andi89gi_ | fsmithred: I have to subscribe in this list |
| 22:42.54 | fsmithred | yes, if you want to read it. I don't know if it's archived on the web. |
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| 22:44.07 | andi89gi_ | fsmithred: yea - I read them. So meetings are posted in the mailing lists? |
| 22:44.23 | fsmithred | yes |
| 22:44.32 | fsmithred | possibly not so regularly in the summer |
| 22:45.01 | fsmithred | but generally yes. Also there's usually a pad ahead of time where people can write notes for the meeting |
| 22:46.56 | rrq | https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev |
| 22:46.58 | andi89gi_ | fsmithred: ah okay - yea in other countries - still holidays; |
| 22:47.12 | rrq | .. has a "Web Archives" link |
| 22:47.36 | fsmithred | great |
| 22:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan ML is https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev |
| 22:48.23 | infobot | ...but #devuan ml is already something else... |
| 22:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ml |
| 22:48.33 | infobot | i heard dng is https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng the devuan mailing list |
| 22:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan ML is also https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev |
| 22:48.58 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 22:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ml |
| 22:49.38 | infobot | it has been said that dng is https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng the devuan mailing list |
| 22:52.06 | andi89gi_ | i have just subscribed into the mailing list |
| 22:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ml |
| 22:52.18 | infobot | i guess ml is https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev - also see !dng |
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| 22:59.51 | andi89gi_ | i have added there in the mail list dng and dev |
| 23:00.33 | fsmithred | good places to start |
| 23:03.31 | andi89gi_ | ok cool - i've seen at our place which files has to rebuilt ; quite a lot ;how exactly can i ssupport the projects or creating new ones? |
| 23:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
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| 23:23.42 | andi89gi_ | rephrase? I've just written it |
| 23:23.43 | andi89gi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.58 | fsmithred | andi89gi_, hang around for awhile, read the mailing lists, listen in irc |
| 23:38.30 | fsmithred | at some point, it will be apparent to you that some particular task needs to be done, and you know how to do it. |
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| 23:58.35 | andi89gi_ | fsmithred: okay i will do it and follow your advice;) |
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