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| 07:20.22 | pav5088 | How do I make an interface stay down in Ascii? I tried an "ifdown eth0" but the interface keeps coming back a couple of seconds later. I've tried "killall dhclient" in case that was the cause, but dhclient is respawned. |
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| 07:39.40 | holla | pav5088: '/etc/network/interfaces' just remove 'auto eth0' |
| 07:43.02 | pav5088 | holla : I just worked out it was wicd pulling up eth0 |
| 07:56.39 | rrq | DocScrutinizer05: about xterm-256color, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740641 |
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| 08:24.46 | Centurion_Dan | rrq: it doesn |
| 08:25.08 | Centurion_Dan | 't effect handling of cursor keys does it? |
| 08:26.51 | Centurion_Dan | I've been having trouble with ssh connect |
| 08:28.07 | Centurion_Dan | ed shells in both jessie and ascii where using the cursor keys kills the lockups the session - most of the time irrecoverably... |
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| 08:34.38 | rrq | no idea. I would think that'd be something else. perhaps related to that "bracketed paste" notion that makes a nuisance of pasting with middle-button |
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| 08:49.38 | Centurion_Dan | hmmm.... I'd been thinking it's purely a network issue.. only happens on remote connections, and only while I'm here at home... when situated at other locations it's not an issue. |
| 08:50.13 | Centurion_Dan | I have fibre here, but it's shit performance compared to the much slower vdsl I used to have... |
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| 08:57.43 | rrq | I've also noticed that flow control (^S ^Q) is back in the terminal; could that play a role for you, given that arrow keys are multi-byte sequences. |
| 08:58.46 | rrq | as an emacs head, I've more then once got an extra coffee break after an accidental ^S rather than / ... :) |
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| 09:04.25 | ErRandir | If it only happens on remote connections maybe it's related to the ssh escape character (~) |
| 09:06.10 | Centurion_Dan | why would that be an issue on remote and local connections.. |
| 09:06.12 | Centurion_Dan | ? |
| 09:09.34 | ErRandir | Sorry, I didn't realise it was local as well |
| 09:10.44 | Centurion_Dan | sorry, happens on remote but not local... |
| 09:18.02 | Centurion_Dan | additionally if I use openvpn tunnel to get to the remote end, I don't get the issue either... |
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| 09:34.01 | rrq | if it also happens wiht TERM=xterm, then it's certainly not due to the xterm-256color capability |
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| 09:51.03 | Centurion_Dan | I've tried several different terminal programs - both xterm and rxvt as well as xfce-terminal and get the same issue. |
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| 10:08.59 | holla | Centurion_Dan: it's probably your keymap -- are you using a laptop? |
| 10:11.33 | Centurion_Dan | yup, |
| 10:11.58 | Centurion_Dan | but I've tried several pc's too and get the same behaviour |
| 10:12.39 | holla | real PC? |
| 10:13.07 | holla | i always saw such issues with laptops |
| 10:13.11 | Centurion_Dan | yeah, and I'm using a standard 101 key usb keyboard on my laptop atm as well |
| 10:13.35 | ErRandir | do you hack your keymap? Like an .xmodmaprc? |
| 10:15.11 | Centurion_Dan | I have another laptop - lower spec with the same keyboard running wheezy still and the problem doesn't occur as frequently... also it's not consistent.... sometimes I can use the cursor keys 3 or more times before the lockup, and other times once is enough... |
| 10:15.22 | Centurion_Dan | anyway gotta go to bed... |
| 10:15.24 | Centurion_Dan | later. |
| 10:15.29 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 10:18.15 | holla | luvs problems which occur *sometimes* ;) |
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| 13:30.46 | JudicialWatch | are there any installation documents for arm embedded? i can login but theres nothing on the system |
| 13:34.46 | JudicialWatch | the installguide link is 404 https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:install_devuan_jessie_1.0 |
| 13:41.25 | JudicialWatch | i installed this and boot it and login, but then what? https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_odroidxu4.img.xz |
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| 13:52.27 | JudicialWatch | ? |
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| 14:03.22 | fsmithred | JudicialWatch, do you have a command prompt? |
| 14:03.26 | JudicialWatch | yes |
| 14:03.59 | fsmithred | cool, do you have a network connection? |
| 14:04.00 | JudicialWatch | just curious why the documentation isnt easy to find...i figure its like, make partitions, do this do that, run installer, etc |
| 14:04.06 | JudicialWatch | fsmithred: no |
| 14:04.42 | fsmithred | doesn't dd just put a system on the drive? |
| 14:05.01 | JudicialWatch | a 1.7gb partition that i can boot into |
| 14:05.22 | fsmithred | that's big enough for a whole operating system. I think that's what you have. |
| 14:05.34 | fsmithred | wired or wireless interface? |
| 14:05.39 | JudicialWatch | wireless |
| 14:05.46 | JudicialWatch | i could wire it i guess |
| 14:05.56 | fsmithred | I'm not really sure what's on the image, but you could try running startx |
| 14:06.04 | fsmithred | run setnet.sh to set up wireless |
| 14:06.08 | JudicialWatch | command not found |
| 14:06.17 | JudicialWatch | there is no setnet.sh |
| 14:06.54 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:07.42 | fsmithred | if wpasupplicant is installed, you could set up manually. I don't know the commands off the top of my head. |
| 14:07.44 | JudicialWatch | theres an entire directory of images for different devices, not sure why theres no documentation though |
| 14:07.52 | fsmithred | or wire and run 'dhclient eth0' |
| 14:08.44 | JudicialWatch | ok running it... but its not eth0 its enx001XXXXXXXX |
| 14:08.49 | JudicialWatch | cute device name :D |
| 14:08.56 | JudicialWatch | ok im online |
| 14:10.40 | JudicialWatch | now what |
| 14:11.46 | fsmithred | probably apt-get update and then install what you want |
| 14:12.15 | fsmithred | note: I've never used any of the embedded images. I'm just guessing. |
| 14:12.29 | fsmithred | can you resize the partition? |
| 14:12.33 | JudicialWatch | i wonder if anyone has, id think there would be more documentation |
| 14:12.47 | JudicialWatch | fsmithred: ill try resizing it |
| 14:12.50 | sixwheeledbeast | en pX sXX is a udev thing |
| 14:13.01 | JudicialWatch | yeah ill have to get rid of that |
| 14:13.10 | JudicialWatch | i need the devcies named eth0 and wlan0 |
| 14:14.29 | sixwheeledbeast | its en (ethernet) p (bus #) s (slot #). |
| 14:14.57 | JudicialWatch | looks like its a mac address or something |
| 14:15.43 | sixwheeledbeast | Predictable Interface Naming is the idea |
| 14:15.44 | fsmithred | you should get the old device names if eudev is installed, and I expect it should already be installed. |
| 14:16.13 | JudicialWatch | i resized the root partition fine |
| 14:16.15 | fsmithred | yeah, you have to open the box to predict the name |
| 14:16.24 | JudicialWatch | fsmithred: yeah thats a problem |
| 14:16.32 | JudicialWatch | i think i can fix it with a file, i hope |
| 14:16.35 | fsmithred | dpkg -l eudev |
| 14:16.40 | fsmithred | see if it's installed |
| 14:17.59 | sixwheeledbeast | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ disabling info at the bottom |
| 14:18.00 | fsmithred | if using udev, add 'net.ifnames=0' to the boot command to get the old names |
| 14:18.11 | JudicialWatch | yes its installed |
| 14:18.36 | fsmithred | weird. You should get the old names. Maybe try with the boot option. |
| 14:18.55 | fsmithred | with eudev, net.ifnames=1 would give you the new names. Old names should be default. |
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| 14:19.21 | JudicialWatch | ok let me see whats in the boot partition |
| 14:19.48 | fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline to see your current boot command |
| 14:20.32 | JudicialWatch | im using EUDev |
| 14:20.53 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't know why you got the new interface name |
| 14:21.08 | JudicialWatch | fsmithred: i see it, i dont see any net.ifname in the command, obviously |
| 14:21.09 | fsmithred | this is an ascii image? |
| 14:21.12 | JudicialWatch | yes |
| 14:21.25 | JudicialWatch | ill try net.ifnames=1 and reboot |
| 14:22.02 | fsmithred | I guess try that and try 0 if 1 doesn't do it. |
| 14:22.27 | JudicialWatch | sixwheeledbeast: that link says systemd |
| 14:22.41 | sixwheeledbeast | yes |
| 14:23.21 | sixwheeledbeast | udev is a freedesktop thing |
| 14:23.38 | JudicialWatch | not sure why its a systemd thing too |
| 14:23.52 | JudicialWatch | fsmithred: both options have same effect |
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| 14:24.30 | JudicialWatch | hmm, i guess it didnt take my command line changes |
| 14:25.09 | rrq | check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 14:25.20 | JudicialWatch | i did, thers no file in that directory |
| 14:25.23 | sixwheeledbeast | because systemd has absorbed many jobs but that's straying off topic. |
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| 14:26.52 | rrq | write your own /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to name the interfaces |
| 14:26.59 | JudicialWatch | rrq: ok |
| 14:27.34 | JudicialWatch | but now im curious why editing /boot/boot.cmd doesnt have any effect to /proc/cmdline |
| 14:27.56 | fsmithred | I don't know that file - is that the boot menu? |
| 14:28.23 | JudicialWatch | its for this embedded stuff i thought, but maybe i have to use a special editor to generate this boot.scr from the boot.cmd |
| 14:28.40 | fsmithred | is there a way to edit the menu when you see it at boot? |
| 14:28.43 | rrq | yes. I know very little about arm systems, but I believe the boot image is elsewhere |
| 14:28.49 | JudicialWatch | its probably running boot.scr and boot.cmd is a editable version that has to be used to generate another |
| 14:28.58 | JudicialWatch | there isnt a boot menu |
| 14:29.09 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:29.44 | baimafeima | is devuan more on the open source or free software side of things? where does it stand politically? |
| 14:29.48 | rrq | there used to be some abootimg tool (set) ... but I'm not up to date |
| 14:30.48 | fsmithred | devuan is about freedom |
| 14:30.56 | baimafeima | so more ethical than pragmatist? |
| 14:31.03 | fsmithred | both |
| 14:31.08 | baimafeima | both is amazing |
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| 14:31.14 | baimafeima | very rare to find this in any distribution |
| 14:31.25 | fsmithred | live isos have non-free firmware installed for practical reasons |
| 14:31.29 | baimafeima | I checked with some other distros and they are either on one side or the other |
| 14:31.41 | fsmithred | and a script to remove all that stuff for those who don't want it |
| 14:32.18 | fsmithred | and in the future, we will probably offer libre kernel and a way to keep the non-free stuff out - for those who want that. Not for everyone. |
| 14:32.33 | baimafeima | fsmithred, wow awesome |
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| 14:32.57 | fsmithred | freedom includes the freedom to use non-free software |
| 14:33.02 | baimafeima | if devuan also manages to be pragmatist and offer a smooth out-of-the-box exerience for beginnings,that'll be the icing on the cake |
| 14:33.02 | pekman | very great news, Devuan + GNU/Linux-Libre |
| 14:33.44 | baimafeima | for beginners I mean |
| 14:34.09 | baimafeima | is there any chance to have a software center included by default in the future and some of the awesome tools that mx linux offers? |
| 14:34.09 | JudicialWatch | i wonder where the embedded instructions are |
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| 14:34.38 | baimafeima | specifically my request would be something like a solus software center (which is awesome) and user-facing tools to administer the system like in mx linux |
| 14:34.38 | JudicialWatch | trying to figure out how to change boot options the correct way |
| 14:36.57 | rrq | the image is built with https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk .. but you've probably been there already |
| 14:38.21 | JudicialWatch | thanks |
| 14:39.23 | fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/boards/odroid-xu4.sh |
| 14:39.48 | fsmithred | line 95 is where boot.cmd gets made |
| 14:39.51 | JudicialWatch | nice, yeah ill have to install mkimage |
| 14:41.05 | JudicialWatch | attempting to disable this device renaming |
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| 14:43.13 | JudicialWatch | nice it worked, and now my network comes up automatically too |
| 14:43.25 | fsmithred | how did you do it? |
| 14:43.39 | JudicialWatch | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="*", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
| 14:43.50 | fsmithred | cool |
| 14:43.56 | JudicialWatch | im about to put at least the first 3 parts of the mac in the address part |
| 14:44.09 | JudicialWatch | so it only matches the onboard for these device types |
| 14:45.38 | rrq | btw that there is a #devuan-arm channel |
| 14:45.53 | JudicialWatch | ok |
| 14:49.17 | JudicialWatch | thanks for the help everyone, had no idea that there were no more installation steps required |
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| 15:43.37 | Akuli | baimafeima, synaptic seems to come with devuan |
| 15:47.29 | fsmithred | depends on how you install |
| 15:48.40 | baimafeima | Akuli, thanks |
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| 17:30.59 | _abc_ | You know this? fsmithred https://rclone.org/ |
| 17:31.19 | _abc_ | in a refracta context, could be interesting? |
| 17:33.33 | fsmithred | checking now... |
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| 17:43.57 | fsmithred | _abc_, you want to put your work_dir in the cloud? |
| 17:44.27 | fsmithred | I can't really see what that program does. |
| 17:47.02 | _abc_ | No, it's rsync which 'knows' about more options than local disk |
| 17:47.20 | _abc_ | So one can use servers on the lan, a cloud box, etc |
| 17:47.56 | _abc_ | So in theory one could copy/refracta the working system into a server and then copy it out from there to another system, or bulk deploy, etc |
| 17:48.03 | _abc_ | Just brainstorming. |
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| 18:05.02 | fsmithred | there's already code to handle other mounted locations for work_dir in snapshot |
| 18:05.21 | fsmithred | and also custom rsync options |
| 18:05.28 | fsmithred | in the config file |
| 18:05.48 | fsmithred | (I think that's in snapshot, but maybe the installer or both) |
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| 22:49.28 | xrogaan | this is why we can't have nice things: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-terminal/blob/078d0b1fdac2e50dfa4411b612e78a4be134e47d/src/terminal-screen.c#L1431 |
| 22:49.46 | xrogaan | been trying to get colors properly setup, but mate is yet again being silly. |
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| 23:19.51 | xrogaan | https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-terminal/issues/209 < yeah, I believe it is time for me to switch DE |
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