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| 05:00.11 | KatolaZ | EHeM: what needs fixing in 37.220.36.58? |
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| 05:29.22 | EHeM | KatolaZ: Continues to give 403 Forbidden, someone else was reportting the same problem a few days ago when I was last on this IRC channel. |
| 05:30.35 | EHeM | KatolaZ: I'm starting to suspect 37.220.36.58 isn't working for anyone other than you. |
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| 06:13.17 | Centurion_Dan | EHeM: KatolaZ: I can see that server at 37.220.36.58 |
| 06:16.55 | KatolaZ | EHeM: which distro are you on? |
| 06:17.00 | KatolaZ | (release)? |
| 06:17.11 | KatolaZ | EHeM: it's not just me who sees it working, apparently... |
| 06:17.35 | KatolaZ | EHeM: and on which package does it fail, please? |
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| 06:18.59 | plasma41 | EHeM: I'm able to connect to that server via http. |
| 06:22.12 | plasma41 | The main page is lacking a DOCTYPE declaration, btw |
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| 06:29.51 | KatolaZ | plasma41: you should not *browse* a repo... :\ |
| 06:30.19 | KatolaZ | especially one that is in a DNS round-robin |
| 06:30.41 | KatolaZ | just try http://37.220.36.58/devuan for instance |
| 06:30.46 | KatolaZ | plasma41: ^^ |
| 06:31.10 | KatolaZ | also, please have a look at the list of package mirrors at https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
| 06:31.24 | plasma41 | Oh, I didn't know exactly what was being served from that IP that y'all were talking about. I just assumed and tried HTTP. |
| 06:31.42 | KatolaZ | (btw, I can reach the host via http) |
| 06:32.05 | KatolaZ | (from different locations in Europe and the US) |
| 06:33.36 | KatolaZ | EHeM: please specify which request to that host gives you a 403, otherwise it is very hard to debug the issue |
| 06:33.39 | KatolaZ | thanks |
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| 07:04.18 | EHeM | KatolaZ: Stable(jessie), doesn't get that far, updates fail (hmm, possible all the packages are okay, merely the index is a problem). |
| 07:05.21 | EHeM | I would have expected a log for the webserver would show the 403s. |
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| 07:32.04 | KatolaZ | EHeM: jessie is old-stable, and a paste of your sources.list would help |
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| 11:22.03 | FlibberTGibbet | s/pleas/please |
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| 12:18.17 | Wasp | Hi. Does anybody has an idea how do i repeat a step in a sh for-loop? Example: for n in 1 2 3; do if [ $n = 2]; then DO-AGAIN ; done |
| 12:18.55 | Wasp | I know, in this case it's a endless loop. However just wanna know how can I "modify" the list of the for-loop |
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| 12:33.08 | fsmithred | Wasp, it's not clear to me what you're trying to do, but if you want to do something multiple time, you could put it in a function and call it when you need it. |
| 12:33.41 | fsmithred | multiple *times* |
| 12:35.58 | Wasp | if i use `for n in $mylist; ..." besides break and continue I miss a command like "redo-last" |
| 12:36.57 | Wasp | so if mylist would be "a b c" I would like to see "a b b c" under certain circumstances |
| 12:37.37 | Ryushin | Anyone running ceres? Anyone see that dpkg -l behaves differently now. Example: dpkg -l "*bash*" now seems to pipe everything to less now instead of standard out. Can't seem to find where to change this. |
| 12:42.17 | fsmithred | Wasp, I think you can just have an if/then nested in your for-loop |
| 12:52.18 | Wasp | sure I can, but what shall i nest there? |
| 12:52.35 | fsmithred | if n=2 then to whatever again |
| 12:52.42 | fsmithred | to/do |
| 12:53.01 | fsmithred | can you paste a sample of what you've got? |
| 12:53.10 | fsmithred | (don't paste it here) |
| 12:53.33 | Wasp | I wanna tell the for loop "please repeat". How shall i manimulate n? $n gets filled by $mylist |
| 12:54.15 | fsmithred | you don't have to put n in the list twice, just test for it and do again |
| 12:54.45 | amesser | Wasp: you can not modify the list of a for loop after it has started. This is because the list expression is first evaluated, then splitted and then for each item the loop is executed |
| 12:54.52 | Wasp | okay, but that's exactly my question: how to do again if for handles the iteration |
| 12:55.18 | Wasp | the for-loop handles* |
| 12:55.30 | Wasp | amesser: thx, that's exactly my problem |
| 12:55.31 | amesser | maybe you can solve it using a while loop instead |
| 12:55.43 | fsmithred | for n in 1 2 3 ; do |
| 12:55.52 | fsmithred | echo n |
| 12:56.04 | fsmithred | if n=2 then do echo n |
| 12:56.08 | fsmithred | fi |
| 12:56.09 | fsmithred | done |
| 12:56.13 | errandir_ | put the list in a function and keep calling that until you want to stop |
| 12:56.27 | Wasp | fsmithred: you do a premise that is not true for me |
| 12:56.41 | fsmithred | that's why I asked for a sample |
| 12:56.56 | Wasp | you expect that you know "2" -- I don't. I am in *some* state and wanna redo |
| 12:56.58 | fsmithred | I don't really understand what you're trying to do |
| 12:58.33 | Wasp | fsmithred: what you have drafted *just* try it without knowing that you are in state "2" PLUS you copy and pasted your command statement of "echo" .. but you wanna re-run the loop not just copy and paste it twice |
| 12:59.05 | fsmithred | why re-run the loop? |
| 12:59.53 | fsmithred | I thought you wanted to re-do whatever it is you're doing when n is a particular value |
| 12:59.58 | Wasp | fsmithred: so assuming the command "redo" would exist: `for n in "a" "b" "c" ; do something ; if $? -ge 1 ; then redo; fi; done |
| 13:01.07 | fsmithred | if it fails, do it again? |
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| 13:02.37 | DonkeyHotei | Wasp: put another loop inside the loop |
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| 13:13.53 | KatolaZ | Wasp: you should use a while instead, probably |
| 13:14.01 | KatolaZ | a while loop, I mean |
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| 13:25.41 | amesser | Wasp: you could be trying the following, maybe in a subshell: |
| 13:25.45 | amesser | set -f -- `seq 1 5` |
| 13:25.55 | amesser | while [ $# -ne 0 ]; do H=$1; shift; echo $H; if [ $H -eq 5 ]; then set -f -- $@ 2; fi; done |
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| 13:30.18 | amesser | or put it into a function. The "set -f --" will set the loop items (the $@ becomes the not yet processed loop items), so my if appends new items to the loop |
| 13:30.33 | amesser | I'm sorry, gtg now |
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| 13:41.05 | Wasp | Sounds good. Was also my idea was just looking for the "correct"/better solution. |
| 13:43.34 | KatolaZ | Wasp: it looks like you need a while loop |
| 13:43.43 | KatolaZ | but the correct one depends on what you actually want to do |
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| 14:51.12 | Wasp | okay, thank you all for the input |
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| 15:38.05 | _stephen_ | Well, this is weird. New install, same os, same laptop, only difference was I went with full disk encryption, and my X11 is using fbdev instead of radeon or amdgpu... |
| 15:38.40 | _stephen_ | Other difference is time, I guess, maybe some version difference there... |
| 15:38.49 | _stephen_ | I can't use external displays with fbdev. |
| 15:39.08 | _stephen_ | I tried to tell it to use radeon and it can't start x. |
| 15:39.45 | _stephen_ | running ascii |
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| 15:57.11 | Wasp | _stephen_: maybe I have at least a similiar issue with nvidia |
| 15:57.48 | Wasp | but cannot remember well enough anymore. However couldn't get rid ov nouveau. Okay Maybe it is something totally different. ;) |
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| 16:25.50 | _stephen_ | I needed firmware-amd-graphics |
| 16:25.55 | _stephen_ | Life is good now. |
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| 17:02.38 | _stephen_ | well this is confusing... apt-cache search xcursor-theme finds xcursor-theme, apt-cache show can't locate it... |
| 17:03.08 | _stephen_ | oh, it's plural |
| 17:03.19 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:03.34 | _stephen_ | I like how every problem I've had with the new install has been user incompetence. |
| 17:03.52 | _stephen_ | I'm not sure if that was sarcasm. |
| 17:04.09 | KatolaZ | mine? |
| 17:04.11 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 17:04.14 | _stephen_ | no, mine. |
| 17:04.18 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 17:04.52 | KatolaZ | any problem we have is just due to incompetence, in the end |
| 17:05.22 | _stephen_ | Right, but on this part, it's been mine. The os has been fine. I just haven't told it to do the right things. |
| 17:05.28 | KatolaZ | nono |
| 17:05.49 | KatolaZ | I mean, in the end, most of the problems we experience are actually due to *our own* incompetence |
| 17:06.17 | KatolaZ | collectively speaking |
| 17:06.25 | _stephen_ | *nods* |
| 17:06.35 | KatolaZ | (it was expected to sound relieving...) |
| 17:06.39 | KatolaZ | ;) |
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| 17:22.33 | KatolaZ | EHeM: are you around, by any chance? |
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| 17:51.43 | EHeM | KatolaZ: Potentially slow response, but yes I'm here and 37.220.36.58 was still problematic as of 2 hours ago (may not be problematic now). |
| 17:51.59 | KatolaZ | EHeM: please sources.list |
| 17:52.02 | KatolaZ | and your arch |
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| 17:53.24 | EHeM | KatolaZ: http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ stable main contrib non-free; primary arch is AMD4, but I've got some packages from a few other arches. |
| 17:53.46 | KatolaZ | please use ascii |
| 17:53.48 | KatolaZ | or jessie |
| 17:53.51 | KatolaZ | NOT stable |
| 17:53.52 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 17:54.03 | KatolaZ | and try again |
| 17:54.23 | KatolaZ | BTW, jessie is oldstable these days |
| 17:54.27 | Ryushin | I typed this fairly early this morning: Anyone running ceres? Anyone see that dpkg -l behaves differently now. Example: dpkg -l "*bash*" now seems to pipe everything to less now instead of standard out. Can't seem to find where to change this. |
| 17:54.29 | KatolaZ | but Devuan repos always use codenames |
| 17:54.44 | KatolaZ | EHeM: ^^^ |
| 17:55.05 | Ryushin | No sure how to make dpkg command work the way it use to by sending to standard out. |
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| 17:55.47 | EHeM | KatolaZ: "stable" gets dumped on a lot, but it is very useful to alert that a major update is ready. |
| 17:56.02 | KatolaZ | EHeM: I gave you the solution |
| 17:56.09 | KatolaZ | devuan uses codenames |
| 17:56.16 | KatolaZ | jessie, ascii, beowulf |
| 17:56.30 | KatolaZ | you should use codenames, because mirrors are not required to provide the symlinks |
| 17:56.46 | KatolaZ | please try, and it will work |
| 17:57.18 | EHeM | KatolaZ: They should be required to provide those symlinks. |
| 17:57.42 | KatolaZ | EHeM: Devuan uses codenames |
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| 17:58.36 | KatolaZ | because it might be not aligned with Debian's releases |
| 18:00.07 | EHeM | KatolaZ: That is certainly cause to be careful, but that doesn't justify breaking something which is useful to many people. |
| 18:00.48 | KatolaZ | EHeM: Devuan uses codenames |
| 18:00.49 | KatolaZ | fullstop |
| 18:00.55 | KatolaZ | I gave you the solution |
| 18:00.56 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 18:01.40 | EHeM | KatolaZ: I have to use a modified sources.list to force testing 37.220.36.58, jessie-security/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found. |
| 18:02.02 | KatolaZ | EHeM: I don't follow what you sayt |
| 18:02.04 | EHeM | KatolaZ: In order for there to be a solution, there must be a problem and there is no problem. |
| 18:02.17 | KatolaZ | ok EHeM |
| 18:02.22 | KatolaZ | then we are good |
| 18:04.13 | EHeM | KatolaZ: Meaning my usual sources.list cycles between mirrors, modifying to force 37.220.36.58 gives that error on that line (likely several of those scattered in output). |
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| 18:20.06 | EHeM | KatolaZ: A 404 Not Found isn't much better than a 403 Forbidden. |
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| 18:37.07 | golinux | EHeM: If you have testing in your source list, you are now pulling from Buster/Beowulf |
| 18:37.38 | golinux | If you want jessie repos use jessie in you sources.list. |
| 18:38.22 | golinux | If you want our "stable" release you must use ascii in your sources list. |
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| 18:39.06 | golinux | Our "testing" - beowulf - is not ready for primetime yet. |
| 18:39.43 | EHeM | golinux: So what? That is unrelated to the problem which is being observed, which is 37.220.36.58 (sledjamr.org) is refusing to serve the index/Packages/Available file. |
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| 18:40.56 | golinux | should have know better than to try. |
| 18:42.27 | EHeM | golinux: I'm not interested in retrying things which have already been demonstrated not to work. |
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| 18:47.02 | golinux | You do know that you should be using http not https, right? |
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| 19:05.03 | EHeM | golinux: I'm getting to the point of telling my IRC client to ignore you due to you bringing up irrelevant topics; 37.220.36.58 is broken as a Devuan mirror and has been broken for *months*, the problem is there, everything points there, changes I can do have no effect. |
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| 19:11.24 | EHeM | (creating a broken sources.list file which points only at that mirror merely results in more breakage) |
| 19:15.16 | Chanku | EHeM: what is the specific area you are pointing to for that? |
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| 19:17.56 | EHeM | Chanku: Had been giving 403 Forbidden when retriving the index/Packages/available file, now giving 404 Not Found (so far the one requested change hasn't effected anything, but I'm guessing KatolaZ did cause the error to change). |
| 19:18.57 | Chanku | what's the exact URL that is being sued for sledjamr? |
| 19:19.24 | EHeM | http://37.220.36.58/merged/ |
| 19:20.10 | Chanku | That's because it's not pointing to the proper location |
| 19:20.50 | Chanku | should be http://37.220.36.58/devyan/merged from what I can tell |
| 19:21.49 | EHeM | That should be moved to HTTPS since that increases the amount of encrypted traffic, which makes finding the traffic of interest to an eavesdropper that much harder and while package choice doesn't seem that sensitive it does tell an attacker what they need to attack. |
| 19:22.08 | EHeM | Chanku: That is what is documented. |
| 19:24.07 | golinux | https will not work with the round-robin |
| 19:24.37 | EHeM | golinux: I know, but that should be adjusted. |
| 19:24.37 | golinux | Because not all mirrors use it. Feel free to ignore me. |
| 19:24.48 | Chanku | EHeM: more than likely either the person operating the sjedjamr site moved this around and the docs haven't been updated yet, or the docs are out of date. |
| 19:24.49 | golinux | Not going to happen. |
| 19:25.08 | Chanku | In any case, I'm off for work. |
| 19:25.21 | golinux | Bye Chanku! |
| 19:25.44 | EHeM | Chanku: Works with every other mirror, which means sledjhammer.org qualifies as broken and hasn't been fully operational for months. |
| 19:26.38 | EHeM | Of note: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii |
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