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| 04:13.08 | Guest21 | There is a documented issue with upgrading that I just ran into. The upgrade can break x11. A temporary workaround has been found. |
| 04:13.09 | Guest21 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856351 |
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| 19:09.38 | system16 | Hi |
| 19:10.14 | system16 | Is it possible to change the mount point of my external hdd from /home to /home/myusername ? |
| 19:11.08 | system16 | If this is not possible, can i create a shortcut to it in /home/myusername ? |
| 19:11.53 | KatolaZ | system16: it's possible but you should be careful with that |
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| 19:12.07 | system16 | Why |
| 19:12.16 | KatolaZ | if you HD is disconnected, your user will remain without a homedir |
| 19:12.21 | system16 | Creating a shortcut is risky ? |
| 19:12.24 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 19:12.34 | KatolaZ | changing the mountpoint of /home |
| 19:12.42 | system16 | No no |
| 19:12.44 | system16 | I meant |
| 19:13.02 | system16 | I want to change the mount point of my external drive |
| 19:13.14 | system16 | Its : /home/hdd |
| 19:13.47 | system16 | I want it to be /home/myusername/hdd |
| 19:14.43 | KatolaZ | system16: how are you mounting yout external drive? |
| 19:15.01 | system16 | Umm what do you mean ? |
| 19:15.13 | system16 | Its called /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:16.05 | KatolaZ | are you mounting it manually? |
| 19:16.34 | system16 | No i just changed its permission to 777 |
| 19:16.46 | telst4r | Dude. No. |
| 19:16.50 | system16 | It automatically mounts it |
| 19:16.51 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 19:17.26 | system16 | I dont have to type mount /dev/sdb1 ... is that what you mean ? |
| 19:18.54 | telst4r | ^ thats a manual mount. And you're not doing it. Some daemon is trying to be 'smart' here I suppose |
| 19:19.30 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.05 | system16 | Btw i have no GUI running |
| 19:21.21 | system16 | Everything is done via commands |
| 19:21.52 | KatolaZ | system16: what do you mean by that? |
| 19:22.19 | KatolaZ | a symlink? |
| 19:22.20 | system16 | A shortcut to a directory |
| 19:22.34 | KatolaZ | just `ln -s` |
| 19:22.36 | KatolaZ | man ls |
| 19:22.39 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 19:22.41 | KatolaZ | man ln |
| 19:22.53 | system16 | Ln -s /home/hdd ? |
| 19:23.12 | system16 | l* |
| 19:23.40 | telst4r | ln wants target and source. take a look at the manual and give it a few test tries. |
| 19:23.51 | system16 | Oh |
| 19:23.51 | telst4r | or -to- and -from- |
| 19:23.57 | system16 | Ok |
| 19:23.58 | n4dir | looks to me as if both /home/hdd and /home/username/hdd would be short enough. No ? |
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| 19:24.47 | system16 | N4dir , all of my devices are set to /home/myusername. And changing them is a hassel |
| 19:24.53 | telst4r | how short ~/hdd can be shortened? ;) |
| 19:25.31 | KatolaZ | ~/h |
| 19:25.32 | KatolaZ | :P |
| 19:26.23 | system16 | If this works im gonna cry |
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| 19:29.38 | system16 | Ln: missing file operand |
| 19:30.01 | system16 | I typed ln -s |
| 19:30.14 | KatolaZ | system16: have you read `man ln`? |
| 19:30.30 | system16 | Im reading it rn |
| 19:30.40 | KatolaZ | you should just read the first 10 lines |
| 19:30.57 | KatolaZ | ln -s FILE DEST |
| 19:31.11 | system16 | ln [OPTION]... [-T] TARGET ? |
| 19:31.33 | KatolaZ | system16: ^^^ |
| 19:32.26 | system16 | Hey it worked |
| 19:32.47 | system16 | Hooray |
| 19:32.50 | nacelle | I think of it as "ln -sf original referenced" |
| 19:32.52 | system16 | Thank you all |
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| 19:33.26 | nacelle | or "ln -sf old new" if you will |
| 19:34.20 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.41 | system16 | Or a restart messes with it ? |
| 19:35.29 | golinux | Guess you'll find out |
| 19:36.57 | system16 | Btw do i need to unmount my drive before executing shutdown -h now ? |
| 19:37.17 | KatolaZ | system16: it would be adviseable |
| 19:37.30 | system16 | Or devuan is smart enough to do this automatically like windows |
| 19:40.13 | KatolaZ | system16: a clean shutdown should unmount all the mounted filesystems |
| 19:40.45 | system16 | Clean shutdown ? |
| 19:41.03 | system16 | So shutdown -h now isnt clean ? |
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| 21:52.35 | gnarface | KatolaZ: this is a problem still intermittently for me |
| 21:52.46 | gnarface | it's one of the debian changes i think we should roll back |
| 21:52.51 | gnarface | it has nothing to do with systemd, directly |
| 21:53.42 | gnarface | `shutdown -h` *isn't* guaranteed to be clean anymore, and if you're not using a SSD it often isn't. there should be a setting to change it back to the previous default behavior of actually waiting for everything to unmount rather than just assuming it'll all umount faster than 5s or whatever |
| 21:54.19 | gnarface | (i actually brought this up with upstream maintenance and some asshole told me "well the journaling filesystem should catch any lost data so what's the problem?") |
| 21:55.03 | gnarface | (they're literally making the choice to rely on the filesystem journaling as a method to not require filesystem unmounts anymore - which is somewhat to me like omitting seatbelts because there's airbags) |
| 21:56.43 | gnarface | and i don't care about "buh buh buh 99% of all linux installs are now VM guests on a diskless azure system, my boss said so!" |
| 21:56.55 | gnarface | this is vandalism |
| 21:58.17 | gnarface | *usually* if i close everything and manually `sync && sync && sync` it'll unmount everything fast enough, but even then it occasionally doesn't. |
| 21:58.31 | gnarface | and sometimes i forget |
| 21:59.17 | gnarface | if system16 comes back tell him it's a known bug at least |
| 22:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | alexandros_c: ping |
| 22:17.40 | Centurion_Dan | gnarface: I thoroughly agree... what package need fixing and can you provide a patch or point to a commit that needs reversing... |
| 22:17.48 | Centurion_Dan | ?? |
| 22:18.22 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan: i can't provide anything specific, sorry. i'm sure it's a simple fix to whoever knows what they're doing though. |
| 22:18.41 | KatolaZ | gnarface: I guess the package is sysvinit, and I guess Jesse Smith has buasted several bugs in the current dev branch |
| 22:18.50 | KatolaZ | just bear with us ;) |
| 22:18.59 | gnarface | but i will cite that this is an especially bad problem if you're using reiserfs still and also forgot to put the /sbin/fsck.reiserfs symlink back that is also obvious sabotage |
| 22:19.43 | gnarface | because *then* when it fails to unmount at reboot, then your journal transaction log *does not* replay and YOU DO lose data |
| 22:19.51 | KatolaZ | gnarface: believe me, the main problem with sysvinit has just been lack of maintenance |
| 22:20.02 | KatolaZ | there is no sabotage plan behind |
| 22:20.23 | KatolaZ | but things are moving on now |
| 22:20.32 | gnarface | yea, but this used to work and when i went asking about why they changed it, they gave me a dismissive response that is much better at convincing me that it's active sabotage than you are at convincing me it's not |
| 22:20.32 | KatolaZ | upstream development has started again |
| 22:20.52 | KatolaZ | gnarface: do not assume a bad answer is the official answer |
| 22:20.53 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 22:20.58 | gnarface | fair enough |
| 22:21.26 | KatolaZ | not all that happens in debian happens in debian-devel |
| 22:21.31 | KatolaZ | or in the replied to bug reports |
| 22:21.36 | KatolaZ | s/ied/ies |
| 22:21.41 | gnarface | noted |
| 22:22.02 | KatolaZ | we have had a lot of enthusiastic support from several DDs on the sysvinit querelle |
| 22:22.24 | KatolaZ | and most of them don't need to shout on a mailing list |
| 22:22.34 | gnarface | well even if it has to be a dumb timeout now for some reason, just being able to raise it a few seconds would probably cover most my problem cases |
| 22:22.52 | gnarface | but it used to actually just hang there for a long time waiting for unmounts |
| 22:23.12 | gnarface | there was a timeout after some point i think it would just go through and kill all processes still running? |
| 22:23.17 | gnarface | then it would try to unmount again |
| 22:25.10 | gnarface | i dunno, i remember that it was occasionally a problem if something wouldn't exit right, but that was much more rare of an occurrence than the existing situation |
| 22:25.27 | gnarface | where everything exits right, but just not always quickly enough |
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