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| 02:44.53 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | **You might need to auth to nickserv to talk!** | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
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| 04:36.10 | aslan8649 | devuan gpm complains that /dev/input/mice does not exist |
| 04:36.35 | aslan8649 | does gpm mouse work in devuan? |
| 04:40.21 | gnarface | i haven't tried it recently |
| 04:40.28 | gnarface | did you check to see if /dev/input/mice exists? |
| 04:42.27 | gnarface | by default you probably will need to add yourself to the input group to read from it |
| 04:42.41 | gnarface | do you find that gpm works for root but not regular users? |
| 04:43.02 | gnarface | it could be disabled at a kernel level too though i think |
| 04:43.10 | gnarface | are you running a custom kernel? |
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| 04:44.03 | gnarface | it's just supposed to be an aggregate of all the mice so, you could test by just symlinking it to your mouse probably |
| 04:44.33 | gnarface | or maybe just configure gpm to read your mouse directly |
| 04:45.11 | aslan8649 | gnarface, /dev/input/mice did not exist. i created it with mkdod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 04:45.48 | aslan8649 | still complains that /etc/init.d/gpm cannot open the device. |
| 04:46.13 | aslan8649 | this is on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ |
| 04:47.29 | aslan8649 | the kernel is whatever Devuan provides with ASCII 2.0 |
| 05:08.22 | Xenguy | IIUC, a workaround is screen (i.e. on the console) for copy/paste |
| 05:09.08 | aslan8649 | after much digging around in /dev i found the answer. there is no /dev/input/mice the mouse is on /dev/input/event0 |
| 05:09.49 | man_in_shack | <aslan8649> does gpm mouse work in devuan? << yes |
| 05:10.32 | man_in_shack | and yeah, /dev/input/mice got deprecated aaaages ago i think |
| 05:10.51 | man_in_shack | or at least became more optional |
| 05:10.55 | man_in_shack | evdev is nicer |
| 05:11.55 | aslan8649 | man_in_shack, the file /etc/gpm.conf installed from Devuan ASCII had the device as /dev/input/mice |
| 05:12.24 | aslan8649 | Devuan fault not mine. I am just trying to get it working. |
| 05:13.48 | aslan8649 | that is what i really dislike about Devuan. you always blame the end-user. God Forbid it is Devuan Fault. |
| 05:16.12 | man_in_shack | (: |
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| 07:09.19 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 07:10.04 | gnarface | here's the thing though, aslan8649, i have /dev/input/mice here on all my systems, including the raspberry pi. so i don't know why you don't have it, unless the rpi3 image is different... |
| 07:10.18 | gnarface | it does strongly suggest you did something different |
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| 07:19.55 | gnarface | if the rpi3 image is actually missing /dev/input/mice it probably isn't on purpose, since the others aren't |
| 07:22.19 | gnarface | anyway it might be important to find out for sure exactly why you don't have it, because whatever reason it is might delete it again at an annoying time... |
| 07:22.44 | gnarface | or move/rename it |
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| 07:59.16 | m3tti | hi anyone having issues in devuan stable with lxqt and the extract here functionality |
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| 10:40.05 | gour | morning |
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| 11:01.08 | gour | after spending some time with fedora i went back to debian (sid) havingtoo many kernel-related problems (system freezes) with fc28. now, few days go i also migrated from gnome to kde which i haven't used since 0.9.x time :-) |
| 11:01.30 | gour | now i wonder how does devaan work with kde, in general? |
| 11:01.41 | gour | *devuan |
| 11:05.33 | gnarface | feedback seems good from what i've seen in channel |
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| 11:09.06 | man_in_shack | ew fedora |
| 11:38.14 | gour | man_in_shack: after many years of using rolling releases (spent >5yrs with both gentoo & arch), the fedora's (smooth) upgrades sounded nice, but fc28 was disaster |
| 11:40.04 | man_in_shack | yah, ubuntu has the same problem |
| 11:40.17 | man_in_shack | debian be like "we only do releases when stable" |
| 11:40.39 | man_in_shack | ubuntu be like "we release every 6 months and break everything" |
| 11:41.23 | gour | well, i'm thinking about sid |
| 11:41.59 | gour | is the process of installing devuan's unstable same as with sid? |
| 11:45.17 | gnarface | yes |
| 11:45.21 | gnarface | but it's called ceres |
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| 13:20.37 | gour | is this "Devuan supports working with just the ext2/3/4 file systems." (https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20180618#devuan ) true= |
| 13:20.43 | gour | ? |
| 13:34.00 | man_in_shack | wat |
| 13:34.22 | man_in_shack | depends how you define "supports" |
| 13:34.25 | man_in_shack | and "working with" |
| 13:34.29 | man_in_shack | and "just" |
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| 13:37.06 | gour | well, i expect to be able to use xfs/btrfs..without even thinking about it... |
| 13:37.32 | man_in_shack | i expect it will work |
| 13:37.42 | man_in_shack | i mean, i use btrfs on my /home |
| 13:37.49 | man_in_shack | which is a raid5 |
| 13:38.03 | gour | ok...just curios what is the meaning of above sentence then |
| 13:38.21 | man_in_shack | probably bullshit |
| 13:38.53 | man_in_shack | or possibly the interactive installer only has options for ext* filesystems |
| 13:39.06 | man_in_shack | cos i remember debian was like that, at least for a while |
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| 13:42.39 | gour | ok |
| 13:48.48 | furrymcgee | can you paste a link to the source of devuan installer please? |
| 13:53.03 | gnarface | i think it's on git.devuan.org |
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| 14:22.02 | filipoo | hey yesterday i upgraded ascii to beowulf and i cant get to GUI i only can get tty1-tty6 please help :/ |
| 14:27.40 | filipoo | is format the only option |
| 14:31.16 | furrymcgee | can you startx from console? whats in /var/log/Xorg.*.log? |
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| 14:37.47 | gnarface | filipoo: you could continue upgrading to ceres, which might ironically give you better luck |
| 14:40.43 | fsmithred | is filipoo still here? |
| 14:42.33 | gnarface | filipoo: (there might be workarounds for beowulf already, i don't know) |
| 14:43.20 | fsmithred | and for the record, the distrowatch reviewer did not understand how to use the installer in the desktop-live iso. |
| 14:47.30 | gnarface | also, devuan is not different enough from debian to be able to stop you from using an unsupported filesystem in any new or clever ways |
| 14:47.39 | fsmithred | some of the polkit stuff for beowulf is not ready. That might be an issue. |
| 14:48.07 | fsmithred | yeah, the installer isos use the debian installer, so all the same filesystems are supported |
| 14:48.30 | fsmithred | the live installer will only format ext2/3/4 but you can pre-format and tell the installer not to do it |
| 14:48.48 | fsmithred | I've done btrfs with it. |
| 14:49.32 | filipoo | yeah im here |
| 14:49.35 | filipoo | how to upgrade to ceres?? |
| 14:49.47 | fsmithred | what desktop and login manager are you using? |
| 14:50.10 | filipoo | well if i managed to log in to internet in bash i could just upgrade but i dont have internet connection as well |
| 14:50.30 | fsmithred | filipoo, my last question was for you |
| 14:50.48 | fsmithred | so is my next one |
| 14:50.51 | filipoo | uhmm |
| 14:50.53 | filipoo | yeah i used lightdm |
| 14:50.56 | gnarface | filipoo: fsmithred might be able to help you get beowulf working |
| 14:51.04 | filipoo | if i type startx i get error not found folder |
| 14:51.13 | filipoo | or something |
| 14:51.14 | fsmithred | did you keep ascii repos in sources.list when you upgraded to beowulf? |
| 14:51.15 | gnarface | upgrading to ceres would be the same as upgrading from ascii though, fyi |
| 14:51.25 | filipoo | yeah i kept i only added one beowulf repo in sources.list |
| 14:51.34 | fsmithred | good |
| 14:51.58 | filipoo | and i rebooted |
| 14:52.00 | fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep libpolkit |
| 14:52.09 | filipoo | and even if i press apt-get autoremove i get errors |
| 14:52.33 | filipoo | well i live booted antergos now here from usb stick so i cant type that in bash but well i can type the commands in notepad |
| 14:52.41 | filipoo | and try to write them later |
| 14:52.55 | filipoo | after i reboot |
| 14:53.12 | fsmithred | see: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 |
| 14:53.38 | filipoo | yeah that post inspired me to upgrade |
| 14:53.44 | fsmithred | you might need to pin a few packages from ascii |
| 14:54.56 | filipoo | so dpkg -l | grep libpolkit and what that will create?? |
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| 14:55.04 | fsmithred | nothing |
| 14:55.18 | fsmithred | it will tell you what packages are installed that have libpolkit in the name |
| 14:55.22 | filipoo | oh ok |
| 14:55.27 | filipoo | and whats libpolkit ;/ |
| 14:55.51 | fsmithred | there should be a 'backend' and 'gobject' that match either consolekit or elogind, whichever you are using |
| 14:56.24 | fsmithred | libpolkit is part of the policykit rat's nest |
| 14:57.39 | fsmithred | generally, when that stuff is not right, you still get a gui, but you can't do some things you'd like to do (reboot, shutdown, mount external) |
| 14:58.37 | fsmithred | to upgrade to ceres, add another line to sources.list and replace beowulf with ceres |
| 14:59.09 | fsmithred | if you want to be selective about taking packages from ceres, you could pin it to a lower priority. |
| 14:59.38 | fsmithred | I don't know if that will fix your xorg issue |
| 15:01.25 | fsmithred | did you look in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 15:01.36 | fsmithred | and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:15.19 | filipoo | no i havent |
| 15:15.26 | filipoo | okay im gonna reboot and type this command and see what happens |
| 15:15.27 | filipoo | BRB |
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| 15:17.57 | filipoo | ok brb |
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| 15:22.49 | filipoo_ | yeah i typed it and had 5 kits xD |
| 15:24.06 | fsmithred | did you check to see if you have consolekit or elogind or both? |
| 15:24.33 | fsmithred | there's a section in the ascii release notes about this |
| 15:25.54 | fsmithred | see ### Session management and policykit backends https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 15:26.21 | filipoo_ | ok ill check brb |
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| 15:31.00 | filipoo | okay well i have only policyki insstalled |
| 15:31.39 | fsmithred | you'll probably need ascii versions for those things |
| 15:32.45 | filipoo | yeah |
| 15:32.54 | filipoo | well it seems like i cant do anything |
| 15:33.03 | fsmithred | why not? |
| 15:33.19 | filipoo | i juist wanna get into gui and i only get bash shell i tried ctrl alt f7 but nothing happens |
| 15:33.51 | fsmithred | is lightdm running? |
| 15:33.57 | filipoo | nah i dont think so |
| 15:34.26 | fsmithred | did you try installing any missing packages? |
| 15:34.31 | filipoo | and startx doesnt run |
| 15:34.41 | filipoo | well yeah i tried but it says it cant fetch em or something i havent got internet connection |
| 15:34.52 | fsmithred | doh! |
| 15:34.59 | fsmithred | dhclient eth0 |
| 15:35.12 | fsmithred | if you're on a wired connection |
| 15:35.16 | filipoo | wireless |
| 15:35.27 | fsmithred | and you normally use wicd? |
| 15:36.19 | fsmithred | or is wireless configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:45.41 | fsmithred | startx without a display manager requires either elogind or xserver-xorg-legacy with an edit in Xwrapper.config (see release notes) |
| 15:45.58 | fsmithred | I have to go |
| 15:46.01 | fsmithred | bbl |
| 15:58.13 | man_in_shack | stops x |
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| 18:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody with a clue about CUPS and printers to help me fix this issue: Brother MFC5720. double-sided printing messes up with uneven number of pages to print: it prints [#3 #2] | [#1 <blank>] so #1 is left side of a long-side-binding book which is as incorrect as the blank cover page (usually should be #1) |
| 18:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! |
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| 18:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | MFC-J5720DW |
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| 19:31.01 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: check your print queue settings and make sure it's not reverse collating |
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| 21:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: I can't disable reverse as soon as I select doublesided printing. Must be a bug in my printerdriver, on top of that bug with the missing blank padding page to reach an even page number to print |
| 21:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | what a PITA |
| 21:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I printed a 3p document in 10 permutations of settings now, none being useful |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | my last option: load a different printer driver. https://i.imgur.com/4co8HwY.png |
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| 21:24.49 | \0xc0ffee | I kind of expect printer drivers to have bugs, particularly with a "but it works in Windows" culture. |
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| 23:20.23 | saravia | hello, i'm download the devuan iso for first time, i will install on my laptop ÃD!! |
| 23:20.41 | saravia | someone else there? |
| 23:22.54 | fsmithred | nobody ever answers that question |
| 23:25.31 | saravia | ups sorry |
| 23:26.19 | saravia | devuan is 100% free/libre? |
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| 23:27.27 | fsmithred | depends on how you install it |
| 23:27.44 | fsmithred | you can have it with or without contrib and non-free |
| 23:28.01 | fsmithred | you got an installer iso or a live iso? |
| 23:28.33 | saravia | dvd iso |
| 23:28.37 | saravia | of 4gb |
| 23:28.57 | fsmithred | ok, choose expert install and select a mirror when asked |
| 23:29.07 | fsmithred | and you will be asked about contrib and non-free |
| 23:30.29 | saravia | please past me this mirror |
| 23:30.48 | fsmithred | sorry, what? |
| 23:31.01 | fsmithred | choose deb.devuan.org for a mirror |
| 23:31.08 | fsmithred | it will select one near you |
| 23:31.22 | fsmithred | (near is relative - there aren't a lot of mirrors) |
| 23:35.06 | man_in_shack | reflects fsmithred |
| 23:35.32 | fsmithred | lol, thanks |
| 23:36.14 | saravia | ÃD, donwloading now |
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