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| 01:20.07 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | **You might need to auth to nickserv to talk!** | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
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| 01:55.35 | Criggie | Sad - there is no devuan AMI in AWS community marketplace. |
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| 02:48.34 | rrq | I made a Devuan ascii.. at ireland and sydney... |
| 02:59.36 | Xenguy | o/~ In Scotland, where my heart lies ... o/~ |
| 03:03.53 | Xenguy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FE6JTtCLK0 |
| 03:11.48 | Criggie | rrq: oh so they're restricted to lcoation ? Yeah that makes sense I guess. |
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| 03:43.36 | nimbius | hey devuan, is there some option for a minimal installation? |
| 03:43.59 | nimbius | the wifi/network manager in the default desktop manager is making my shit itch. |
| 03:44.17 | gnarface | nimbius: do an expert-mode install, and when you get to tasksel just uncheck all the boxes |
| 03:44.26 | gnarface | (that's the same as Debian) |
| 03:44.27 | nimbius | gnarface: thanks!! :) |
| 03:44.30 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 07:02.13 | grillon | hi there |
| 07:20.54 | golinux | Howdy |
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| 10:16.58 | meowschwitz | oh boy this place got a lot bigger since the last time |
| 10:37.59 | filipdevuan_ | nice |
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| 12:44.56 | devoid_ | hey meowschwitz |
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| 13:26.23 | meowschwitz | I AM MEOWSCHWITZ |
| 13:26.29 | meowschwitz | I mean hi |
| 13:26.37 | meowschwitz | oh wrong channel |
| 13:26.38 | meowschwitz | :< |
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| 14:05.32 | filipdevuan_ | hello, is there something like a battery manager here on devuan?? |
| 14:05.45 | filipdevuan_ | and open-source free radio app |
| 14:06.23 | Anselmo | like, SDR radio orlike, online radio streaming ? |
| 14:06.33 | filipdevuan_ | what's sdre radio?? |
| 14:06.48 | Anselmo | like, if you have a physical radio plugged into your computer |
| 14:07.03 | Anselmo | software-defined-radio |
| 14:07.30 | Anselmo | most music players I've used on linux do support radio streams from the internet |
| 14:07.30 | filipdevuan_ | ohh something like online radio streaming but opensource or just free dunno |
| 14:08.37 | Anselmo | if you're into graphical programs clementine would probably work for that |
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| 14:09.12 | Anselmo | about batteries I dont know so much, usually I just look at acpi if I need that |
| 14:09.29 | filipdevuan_ | ok thanks :) |
| 14:11.17 | gnarface | acpi -b |
| 14:12.17 | gnarface | lots of window managers have their own built-in battery meters though |
| 14:12.32 | Anselmo | I bet lots of them just call acpi . . . :P |
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| 14:18.31 | nemo | filipdevuan_: my problem has been that the built-in battery reporting in MATE relies on upower which appears to be misreporting my battery state |
| 14:18.53 | nemo | sooo gotta figure out how to either fix upower or change where mate gets its info from |
| 14:19.15 | nemo | (at least on this pinebook) |
| 14:19.51 | fil_ | ok i downloaded something like TLP for a battery stuff |
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| 14:22.28 | fil_ | sorry i got disconnected |
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| 14:23.37 | nemo | fil_: if you're just wondering what your batteries charge status is, TLP is probably overkill |
| 14:24.02 | nemo | but I guess battery manager is a bit ambiguous |
| 14:24.28 | fil_ | uhmm i basically annoys me when i have got laptop turned on and no battery connected and then system just shuts down but i remember on windows 10 it was just suspending for like 5-10 mins before shutting down |
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| 14:30.44 | furrymcgee | upower is a daemon for power management |
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| 14:38.28 | nemo | furrymcgee: ok? |
| 14:38.53 | nemo | furrymcgee: well reporting, not management but anyway |
| 14:40.24 | nemo | fil_: I'm having a hard time understanding what you describe |
| 14:40.48 | nemo | how could the laptop work at all with no battery connected, unless you mean plugged in on AC but no battery in which case why would it ever suspend |
| 14:42.12 | Anselmo | oh, I think its like, on windows it recognizes like, 5 minutes till the batteries empty, and decides to go to sleep |
| 14:42.26 | nemo | Anselmo: ok but what did he mean by "no battery connected" |
| 14:42.57 | nemo | Anselmo: anyway, that stuff's usually handled by the window manager - like if you're in MATE (or KDE or Gnome) you can configure that in settings and the defaults are usually sensible |
| 14:43.09 | nemo | ... unless the underlying layer is misreporting which is my problem on the pinebook right now |
| 14:43.20 | Anselmo | it might mean no battery with charge, leading to shutting down suggenly because no power to draw |
| 14:43.35 | nemo | ok was confused by "connected" |
| 14:43.39 | Anselmo | but this is a guess that fil_ could explain infinitly better than me |
| 14:44.03 | Anselmo | also yeah, I just dont know the names of the tools, though actually that is something I should setup on my laptop . . |
| 14:45.28 | nemo | my main problem with devuan was suspend-when-closing-lid not working properly - but frankly there was like a 10% chance that failed on the ubuntu I had on here previously. |
| 14:45.40 | nemo | so someone here suggested just binding power button to suspend which works fine for my purposes |
| 14:45.45 | nemo | press button once before closing lid |
| 14:46.02 | nemo | the random failures in past had me overheating the poor laptop in its backpack before |
| 14:46.23 | Anselmo | mm |
| 14:46.26 | Anselmo | ha |
| 14:47.53 | nemo | might not have been random on reflection. maybe MATE was ignoring suspend when screensaver was active or something stupid like that. but oh well whatever |
| 14:48.27 | fil_ | yeah Anselmo this is what i meant. if i get info about battery dying to 0% soon on windows it just gonna suspend for a bit and then when i connect AC to the laptop it starts again from suspend here on devuan it just turns off completely :P |
| 14:49.16 | nemo | fil_: yeah. I'd say that's something to look into in your desktop environment - which one are you using? |
| 14:49.37 | fil_ | xfce |
| 14:49.48 | fil_ | but i also have e17 |
| 14:49.52 | nemo | ah... |
| 14:50.04 | fil_ | i get that on both of em though |
| 14:50.09 | nemo | haven't used XFCE in a long while, so don't remember what their settings are |
| 14:50.19 | fil_ | yeah no problem ;) |
| 14:50.21 | nemo | but yeah. most desktops have some sort of power manager |
| 14:50.40 | fil_ | oh okay |
| 14:50.52 | fil_ | there is xfce power manager oh silly me |
| 14:50.56 | nemo | like in MATE it is mate-power-preferences for settings |
| 14:50.59 | nemo | mm |
| 14:51.00 | fil_ | i can change the battery powel level and then: action ;D |
| 14:51.03 | nemo | hehe |
| 14:51.04 | nemo | yeeeep |
| 14:51.07 | fil_ | okay silly me, thanks! |
| 14:51.11 | nemo | surprised it didn't have good defaults though |
| 14:52.09 | Anselmo | hrm |
| 14:52.10 | fil_ | :) |
| 14:53.46 | MinceR | /lc/lc |
| 14:53.51 | MinceR | disregard that |
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| 16:11.54 | premoboss | hello, i got strange behaviour in the channel, may i talk with an admin? |
| 16:17.14 | nailyk | so firefox-esr switched to quantum? Is there any chance to have the previous release into our reprository please ? |
| 16:21.30 | nemo | nailyk: preeeetty sure debian is not a fan of distributing software without security patching |
| 16:21.54 | nailyk | am not talking about security but instability xD |
| 16:22.04 | nailyk | thanks =) |
| 16:22.09 | nemo | nailyk: if you want non-quantum (I still have it myself on ONE profile due to an addon I don't want to give up) you probably should just keep it in your home after grabbing a zip from mozilla |
| 16:22.24 | nemo | nailyk: I'm certainly aware of your reasons and I sympathise, but it would just be a bad idea |
| 16:22.28 | nailyk | are you using kee too ? |
| 16:22.41 | nemo | nailyk: hell. I know I'm running a risk, but I do it anyway. I do run NoScript and keep my browsing in that profile to a minimum |
| 16:22.45 | nemo | nailyk: naw |
| 16:22.48 | nemo | what is kee |
| 16:22.59 | golinux | premoboss: That is probably because of the changes to keep spam under control |
| 16:23.01 | nailyk | I agree, but as they are leaving my issue alone, I dont know what to do |
| 16:23.19 | nailyk | nemo: kee is keepass to firefox integration (kee.org) |
| 16:23.46 | nailyk | forget about kee.org |
| 16:24.11 | nailyk | kee.pm |
| 16:25.37 | premoboss | golinux, i was ckecked off bay the channel, when i try to log in againg, i got reply "this nickname is already in use". |
| 16:26.03 | premoboss | i was afraid someone stole my identity password. |
| 16:28.37 | nemo | nailyk: hmm looks like they have a quantum version of kee? |
| 16:29.02 | nemo | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/keefox/ seems to be installable in my firefox nightly anyway |
| 16:29.15 | nailyk | yes, but this cause network issues in firefox |
| 16:29.32 | nailyk | looks like I am the only one to complain about xD. Btw noscript is working fine on nightly. |
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| 16:47.50 | golinux | premoboss: Hmmm . . . have you registered your nick? That would prevent someone else from using it. |
| 16:48.25 | premoboss | golinux, of course i have a registered nick. if were not, i cannot join many channel. |
| 16:48.38 | golinux | Right. |
| 16:48.41 | premoboss | i registered months ago. |
| 16:49.02 | golinux | Maybe the previous connection was not closed down properly. |
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| 16:50.25 | golinux | But you're here now, right? So let us know if it happens again. |
| 16:50.43 | premoboss | golinux, ok. |
| 16:51.54 | golinux | Maybe ping buZz. He knows much more that I. |
| 16:52.09 | buZz | ? |
| 16:52.24 | premoboss | the probme is that about 90 mins ago the connection appared dropped, when i log back again, the channel refused me telling that the nick was already in use. so i suspected someon can inperonate me. or maybe the login stay there as "gost" in channel and avaiod to me to connect. |
| 16:52.40 | buZz | premoboss: sometimes on a bad reconnection (or serversplit) your nickname can get stuck |
| 16:52.53 | premoboss | buZz, ok. |
| 16:52.58 | buZz | premoboss: if you use SASL to login to freenode, you automatically regain, so never have the wrong nickname |
| 16:53.03 | buZz | but i agree, its a mess sometimes |
| 16:53.15 | buZz | even i get booted out of channels i've been in many years |
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| 19:25.41 | filipdevuan_ | hey id like to teach myself bash shell scripts i started with this website http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ch02sec01.html |
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| 19:34.27 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: Any start is a good start :-) |
| 19:34.46 | kekePower | You can't become great unless you start. |
| 19:34.57 | filipdevuan_ | hahah i named my script called kek yesterday xD. now when i type bash kek i get exact date and clock :) |
| 19:35.03 | Anselmo | haha |
| 19:35.23 | unixman | filipdevuan_, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
| 19:35.45 | filipdevuan_ | ok cheers i like bash :) |
| 19:35.47 | Anselmo | are you trying to learn shell scripting, or the shell ? |
| 19:35.54 | unixman | filipdevuan_, also #bash on Freenode. |
| 19:36.02 | Anselmo | as there's sort of a small difference :P |
| 19:36.04 | filipdevuan_ | uhmm probably scripting but i dont know what u mean by learning shell? |
| 19:36.09 | filipdevuan_ | ok cheers :0 |
| 19:36.11 | filipdevuan_ | :) |
| 19:36.20 | Anselmo | well, like, just using the shell vs writing scripts for it |
| 19:36.27 | kekePower | I swithced to zsh a few years back. It's close enough to bash, but IMHO, has some strenghts that bash doesn't |
| 19:36.35 | Anselmo | its basically the same, just interactive or not |
| 19:36.57 | filipdevuan_ | oh well i would like to have ability to learn writing various scripts cuz i think writing scripts is cool :) |
| 19:37.02 | Anselmo | :3 |
| 19:37.07 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: it sure is :-) |
| 19:37.18 | filipdevuan_ | yeah :D |
| 19:37.40 | filipdevuan_ | but id like to learn both i guess cuz i use gnu linux now as my primary distro ;P |
| 19:38.01 | furrymcgee | bash has too many functions start with sh |
| 19:38.03 | filipdevuan_ | so im hoping to learn stuff that on windows is not a possibilty |
| 19:38.04 | Anselmo | mmm |
| 19:38.05 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: You'll find you will write scripts of various lengths to automate something you could do with 2 or 3 command line punches :-) |
| 19:38.24 | Anselmo | sh is also handy for wide compatibility . . . |
| 19:38.37 | filipdevuan_ | yeah like script they mentioned here at the bottom of the page :) http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ch02sec01.html |
| 19:38.39 | Anselmo | so you can use posix things rather than just bashisms |
| 19:38.44 | kekePower | Anselmo: Compatability is only an issue if one wants to publish a script |
| 19:39.05 | Anselmo | compatibility is an issue for me, in distributing scripts between all the systems I use |
| 19:39.57 | filipdevuan_ | by the way i wonder if there's something like being able to create free and open-source website that wouldn't appear on google??? |
| 19:40.04 | kekePower | but you can't rely on sh on some systems as it symlinks to bash. I.e. Fedora |
| 19:40.19 | Anselmo | bash supports all the posix things |
| 19:40.22 | kekePower | unless this symlinking makes bash go into sh compatability mode |
| 19:40.25 | Anselmo | or nearly all of them |
| 19:40.29 | filipdevuan_ | yeah fedora is quite nice i used it for a while in the past but tracker apps put me off |
| 19:40.44 | furrymcgee | man sh is 1540 lines, man bash 5686 lines |
| 19:41.12 | kekePower | I've found that learning how to script is a lifetime venture |
| 19:41.18 | Anselmo | typically a good script for /bin/sh should work for /bin/bash as well |
| 19:41.46 | filipdevuan_ | yeah i feel like i just started i got into scripts cuz in the past there were bots that were playing the game for you |
| 19:42.00 | filipdevuan_ | and there were scripts for each character and the actions and i found that exciting |
| 19:42.03 | kekePower | Anselmo: So you know sh and it's limitations? So when you script, you don't fall into the trap of using something bash? |
| 19:42.32 | kekePower | s/it's/its |
| 19:42.43 | filipdevuan_ | but iv read somewhere if u wanna get good at something you need to train it or learn specific subject for about 10 years before u get good enough ;D |
| 19:43.00 | Anselmo | my regular shell is ksh, if I am writing a script I dont test it on bash, so if I over use bash features, they will come pu as errors |
| 19:43.34 | Anselmo | so, I mean, to some degree, yes, |
| 19:43.44 | kekePower | :-) |
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| 19:43.50 | Anselmo | I'm by no means a master of unix shell scripting but I know enough to get by |
| 19:43.57 | kekePower | Anselmo: So you hack on something until it works :-) |
| 19:44.32 | kekePower | has pulled a lot of hair over a typo |
| 19:44.48 | Anselmo | ehh, I mean, I think you should always test things before actually using them :P |
| 19:44.57 | kekePower | yeah |
| 19:45.58 | Anselmo | and its just a matter of keeping all your languages straight at some point |
| 19:46.16 | Anselmo | its rarethat I start trying to write lisp in a unix shell :P |
| 19:46.17 | filipdevuan_ | so is there sometjing like free open-source website?? |
| 19:46.38 | Anselmo | filipdevuan_, uhm, if you mean not being indexed by google, I think google bots respect robots.txt |
| 19:46.51 | Anselmo | and you can generate a website with free software, of course |
| 19:47.00 | filipdevuan_ | okay :) |
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| 19:47.06 | Anselmo | and run it on any number of free software httpds |
| 19:47.13 | filipdevuan_ | yeah i really want to learn about how to make a website |
| 19:47.22 | filipdevuan_ | just a website for being able to identify myself on internet |
| 19:47.31 | filipdevuan_ | yeah |
| 19:48.15 | filipdevuan_ | what about writing scripts for websites??? |
| 19:48.35 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: You can, if you want, re-invent the wheel |
| 19:48.45 | filipdevuan_ | what do you mean?? |
| 19:48.46 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: but there are a lot of options out there you can use |
| 19:49.09 | filipdevuan_ | yeah |
| 19:49.22 | filipdevuan_ | like i think wordpress is too easy even though its open source not sure if its free though |
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| 19:49.34 | Anselmo | ehh,when I was looking at setting up my website I figured it would probably take me as long to find a sitebuilder thing that I liked, learn to use it, and write a site in it that I liked, as it would to write my own site generater with all the things I wanted -_- |
| 19:49.40 | Anselmo | so I wrote my own :P |
| 19:50.27 | kekePower | you can write in Markdown and use discount to generate HTML |
| 19:50.37 | Anselmo | but filipdevuan_, you can even just write up your own html and css (or php or (please not) javascript), or you could find any of a number of static website generators to make a nice html page |
| 19:50.53 | kekePower | then cat a header and a footer to create a complete looking page |
| 19:50.57 | Anselmo | ultimately that's all any website really is, just a bunch of html |
| 19:52.04 | kekePower | I was searching a lot for a CMS that could export to HTML so I could use the database features on a backend machine and not bog down my public facing server with some sort of scripting language |
| 19:52.11 | filipdevuan_ | yeah im not gonna use javascript i dont wanna be evil i feel like unexperienced advocate of free open source software |
| 19:52.13 | filipdevuan_ | ;d |
| 19:52.20 | Anselmo | ha ^_^ |
| 19:53.00 | filipdevuan_ | because i have optimus nvidia gpu at the moment in the laptop i think i may try to configure using nouveau drivers instead of proprietary nvidia someday |
| 19:54.44 | filipdevuan_ | here on devuan |
| 19:55.03 | filipdevuan_ | im also very aware of companies mining data about me like google and others.... |
| 19:55.13 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: the nvidia driver uses less battery than the nouveau one in my experience |
| 19:55.25 | filipdevuan_ | oh right well... |
| 19:55.32 | filipdevuan_ | i wonder why ;P |
| 19:55.39 | filipdevuan_ | lack of scripts? :P |
| 19:55.56 | filipdevuan_ | for nouveavu drivers of course |
| 19:55.57 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: you can also set your DNS servers to the cloudflare ones: 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.0.1 |
| 19:56.06 | filipdevuan_ | why? |
| 19:56.37 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: because they're fast and they don't mine data like some of the others does |
| 19:56.51 | filipdevuan_ | i have no idea how to change dns on devuan |
| 19:56.52 | Anselmo | or you coulduse opennic |
| 19:57.10 | filipdevuan_ | but i avoid popular distros because they have google dns set by default at least some of em manjaro antergos and arch based distros |
| 19:57.13 | Anselmo | or something like it, rather than trusting cloudfare to not lie . .. |
| 19:57.14 | kekePower | I've found that the one supplied with my router is too slow |
| 19:57.30 | filipdevuan_ | yeah id love to if i knew how to change dns ;d |
| 19:57.34 | Anselmo | filipdevuan_: usually, in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:57.40 | Anselmo | there are a number of lines like |
| 19:57.47 | Anselmo | nameserver 321.4381.213.24 |
| 19:57.56 | Anselmo | which specify nameservers at that ip address |
| 19:58.03 | kekePower | or /etc/resolvconf.d/base |
| 19:58.09 | Anselmo | but usually they're generated somewhere, I dont recall how devuan does it x-x |
| 19:58.24 | filipdevuan_ | i only have nameserver 192.186.0.1 here in resolv.conf |
| 19:58.35 | Anselmo | that's related to your router probably |
| 19:58.36 | kekePower | filipdevuan_: that's prolly your router |
| 19:58.42 | filipdevuan_ | yeah ;) |
| 19:58.44 | fsmithred | if you have a router, you probably have your ISP's dns set there. |
| 19:59.01 | fsmithred | and resolv.conf just points to the router |
| 19:59.25 | filipdevuan_ | yeah well. i remember when i installed manjaro they had google dns and i deleted it from resolv.conf and then my os didnt wanna to start lol so i had to delete it and install another one |
| 19:59.33 | Anselmo | wat |
| 19:59.45 | fsmithred | there are other ways to fix that |
| 20:00.04 | filipdevuan_ | yeah maybe but i havent got patience i just had black screen nothing else when it booted |
| 20:00.19 | fsmithred | that would have been caused by something else |
| 20:00.21 | Anselmo | yeah -_- |
| 20:00.23 | filipdevuan_ | and i think it was because i messed dns in resolv.conf in systemd folder |
| 20:00.26 | Anselmo | I dont think devuan should do that |
| 20:00.44 | fsmithred | no, wrong dns won't give you black screen |
| 20:01.05 | filipdevuan_ | nah i dont like google however iv been reading a book about them for two days now haha called google story or something |
| 20:01.27 | filipdevuan_ | i read that one of this guy who created it wanted to download whole web to his computer and he was mining data too... i dont think mining data is nice |
| 20:01.53 | filipdevuan_ | but that was in 90s i think |
| 20:02.08 | filipdevuan_ | they mentioned some search engines like altavista or something |
| 20:02.59 | filipdevuan_ | yeah maybe it doesnt matter i didnt like this manjaro i dont like distros that look too sweet if u know what i mean |
| 20:03.30 | richardonnay | datamining is no joke |
| 20:03.43 | kekePower | it's a billion dollar business |
| 20:04.06 | richardonnay | filipdevuan_: you made a good choice escaping systemd and coming to the deb side |
| 20:04.10 | filipdevuan_ | yeah but i mean in 90s he was data mining and saying that wants to get whole web downloaded while in uni |
| 20:04.16 | filipdevuan_ | yeah thanks :) i think that too ;) |
| 20:04.38 | filipdevuan_ | i think i still remember the day when i discovered website boykottsystemd or something like that and found devuan on systemd free distros list |
| 20:04.43 | Anselmo | well, back then it might have been feasible x-x |
| 20:04.55 | filipdevuan_ | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 20:05.15 | filipdevuan_ | yeah probably |
| 20:05.32 | filipdevuan_ | i dont even know how to download websites from internet i think i can only download single pages.... |
| 20:06.03 | kekePower | I'm using a Devuan spin called Miyolinux and have hacked it to use as little battery as possible. Right now I've achived around 10w discharge. |
| 20:06.25 | filipdevuan_ | oh yeah im worried about my laptop battery as well... would love to tweak it a bit... |
| 20:06.35 | richardonnay | filipdevuan_: wget recursively. |
| 20:06.43 | kekePower | it's only usable as a typewriter, basically :-) |
| 20:06.57 | filipdevuan_ | oh thanks ;) |
| 20:07.17 | filipdevuan_ | yeah my battery is not impressive and its built-in to laptop i think so i cant even replace it i think |
| 20:07.29 | Anselmo | oh x-x |
| 20:07.39 | filipdevuan_ | and i use european cable but im in england and they have different sockets and perhaps different voltages as well so not sure if its good for battery |
| 20:07.42 | Anselmo | some of those you can replace, you just need a screwdriver and some patience |
| 20:08.54 | filipdevuan_ | okay :) |
| 20:09.34 | kekePower | anywhere I can follow the development of Devuan? |
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| 20:11.11 | kekePower | found it |
| 20:11.16 | kekePower | was just being lazy |
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| 20:13.46 | filipdevuan_ | can u share your link :) |
| 20:16.36 | kekePower | https://devuan.org/os/development |
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| 20:44.48 | filipdevuan_ | thanks |
| 20:51.10 | kekePower | de nada |
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