| 00:04.40 | Xenguy | Not sure about that. Just upgrading to 'stable' myself, and trying to get things reconfigured etc. |
| 00:04.45 | Xenguy | esr ^^ |
| 00:06.24 | esr | Xenguy: The window of opportuity has passed unless and until I get another NUC - that one is my wife's desk PC now, running Mint and No To Be Disturbed. |
| 00:06.53 | Xenguy | Any home network has its politics : -) |
| 00:07.03 | armin | :D |
| 00:07.32 | armin | my girlfriends laptop runs kde neon, she would kill me if i manage to break it |
| 00:07.44 | Xenguy | I have no idea, for example, how I kept my wife and child *trapped* on GNU/Linux for so long 8 -D |
| 00:08.30 | esr | I might re-image my mailserver though. Presently running Ubuntu on a generic fanless brick called a Jetway. I have another Jetway where the Devuan install was uneventful so that ought to be OK. |
| 00:08.31 | Xenguy | Eventually they both broke 'free' |
| 00:08.44 | armin | also, hi esr, i read the backlog but i'm a bit unsure what "couldn't see the NIC" meant. does it appear in lspci/lsusb? |
| 00:09.06 | Xenguy | esr: I want to try one of these 'fanless' units sometime |
| 00:09.41 | Xenguy | esr: Would one of those be suitable as a router/gateway ? |
| 00:09.50 | Xenguy | e.g. low power usage etc. ? |
| 00:09.51 | esr | Appears in lspci but presents a type/subtype pair the kernel doesn't recognize. |
| 00:10.07 | esr | Xenguy: Yes, very much so. |
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| 00:11.08 | Xenguy | Hot diggity |
| 00:12.01 | esr | I just decomissioned the last tower in my house other than the Great Beast (my repository-surgery monster hot rod), which is a special case. They've all been replaces by comoute bricks. |
| 00:12.12 | esr | *compur bricks. |
| 00:12.13 | armin | esr: i believe it's because devuan tends to be free and not to include some binary blobs drivers, but i could be wrong. |
| 00:12.20 | Xenguy | TOMEGA ? |
| 00:12.47 | esr | armin: Nah, it's rhe e100 driver. There was just a missing alias. |
| 00:12.57 | esr | e1000 I mean. |
| 00:13.09 | armin | esr: ah, yes, you mentioned that earlier already, my bad. |
| 00:13.49 | armin | esr: out of curiosity: are you currently using a mechanical keyboard? |
| 00:14.08 | esr | Xenguy: Yup, To Mega Therion. Semi-custom hardware optimized for high banwudth to memory. |
| 00:14.27 | Xenguy | Awesome, cheers |
| 00:14.27 | esr | armin: Sure am. Model M all the way, baby! |
| 00:14.35 | armin | :D |
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| 00:16.14 | esr | So yeah I'm going all compute bricky except for the Beast and (I hope) all Devuan. Well, I may not get to re-image minx (my wife's NUC) for a while. |
| 00:16.52 | armin | what's "The Beast"? |
| 00:18.34 | esr | armin: Semi-custom PC optimized for high bandwidth and max single-core speed. It's job is basically to do graph-yjeory computations on data sets many gigabytes wide. Surgery on version-control repositories. |
| 00:19.00 | armin | Interesting. :-) |
| 00:19.06 | esr | Very. |
| 00:19.47 | esr | It's the macine I moved the Wmacs history from bzr to git on, among other things. |
| 00:19.57 | esr | Wmacs -> Emacs. |
| 00:21.28 | armin | now i have to keep thinking of "the cathedral and the git". |
| 00:21.36 | esr | :-) |
| 00:22.18 | esr | Pfesently ranslating reposurgeon to Go because Python hit a performance wall. |
| 00:22.31 | esr | Am liking Go a lot recently. |
| 00:24.44 | armin | esr: I actually implemented a shell prompt builder for ZSH in python once that I rebuilt in Go because of this. My implementation is conceptionally questionable though, wherein every time I hit the return key the prompt is being re-rendered, hence firing up a full blown python interpreter every time you hit Return on the shell. After I rewrote that in Go, I had to increase my keyboard repeat rate madly to hit |
| 00:24.45 | armin | the race condition with the Go ELF binary. |
| 00:25.27 | armin | So, yeah, the Go implementation is MUCH faster. |
| 00:26.29 | esr | Expecting at least 10x gain on my workload, but there's reason to suspect it might be up to 40x. |
| 00:32.10 | armin | esr: I can just say that in my personal experience the Go program was 6x faster than the Python correspondent. :) |
| 00:32.36 | armin | But hey, that probably varies strongly about actual use-cases. |
| 00:36.15 | armin | Oh. Seems like Masachuchetts is a good place for fast typing. Sean Wrona seems to be from there, too. |
| 00:41.26 | esr | I was born in Mass but don'rt live there. Southeastern PA |
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| 01:05.54 | armin | esr: well that guy reached 163wpm in a typing contest, that's honestly a lot. my personal highscore was 105wpm. (hey, at least that was on a devuan system!) |
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| 06:52.13 | boo_boo | I got to know that ESR is now using Devuan |
| 06:55.45 | boo_boo | I am honoured to share a distribution with such a great man. |
| 06:57.22 | boo_boo | Also helped me IRL with his sex tips page. I was a loser before I read http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/sextips/ and never really understood how women wanted to be treated both in bed and outside of it. Now I have a wife and 4 kids and already shared my bed with 3 women besides her. Also using Devuan at work and digging it |
| 06:57.33 | boo_boo | His greatest work has been that page, really. |
| 06:58.08 | man_in_shack | chicks dig devuan |
| 06:58.47 | boo_boo | i have it on my wife's laptop, kids are going to use it too ;) |
| 07:00.19 | golinux | good grief . . . |
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| 07:21.25 | Leander | I thought it was one of these bots... but it's not been k-lined yet |
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| 07:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | weekend, alcohol |
| 07:42.18 | man_in_shack | obviously Leander is a bot |
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| 15:54.33 | mchasard | hi |
| 15:56.41 | mchasard | someone knows crows derivarive devuan ? |
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| 17:40.18 | filipdevuan_ | hi i installed openbox today and so far so good battery life is much longer however i wonder if there any nice tips for preserving battery life apart from using battery demanding apps |
| 17:40.29 | filipdevuan_ | apart from not using* |
| 17:43.38 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan_: keeping your laptop off will help :P |
| 17:44.45 | filipdevuan_ | yeah its hard but will try read more books ;P |
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| 17:58.07 | gnarface | filipdevuan_: lower screen brightness, put kernel cpu frequency governor in powersave mode, and remount temporary and cache directories as tmpfs... |
| 17:58.56 | gnarface | dunno if it'll spin the harddrive down by default or not but worth looking into that too |
| 17:59.12 | gnarface | and you can tune the commit intervals on some filesystems too |
| 17:59.50 | gnarface | the only thing that is gonna be worth more than half a percent or so is the cpu frequency governor |
| 18:00.01 | gnarface | (probably) |
| 18:00.16 | gnarface | well, the screen brightness might be a lot too, if you have it cranked way up |
| 18:00.56 | gnarface | you can change out your desktop themes for dark stuff to save a bit more power in theory, i dunno if that's true for all hardware though |
| 18:01.26 | gnarface | for some stuff at least, they say black costs less battery power than white |
| 18:03.20 | rwp | With OLED displays where every pixel is an LED it is the bright pixels that use power. Dark ones much less power. |
| 18:03.49 | rwp | I would always swap out a spinning drive for an SSD in a mobile laptop these days. |
| 18:04.49 | gnarface | oh, yea if you're spending money on it you can probably lower the battery cost of the fans by re-applying the thermal paste |
| 18:05.07 | gnarface | that'll lower operating temperatures which in turn should lower fan speeds |
| 18:05.21 | gnarface | that might be getting a little crazy though |
| 18:05.26 | filipdevuan_ | yeah my brightness is ok |
| 18:05.41 | filipdevuan_ | lowering in all the time but not because of battery but because of my eyes ;D |
| 18:05.54 | filipdevuan_ | i quite enjoy openbox, xfce is quite boring |
| 18:06.11 | filipdevuan_ | i managed to get tint2 now taskbar is it |
| 18:06.54 | rwp | You might want to look at the 'tlp' tool. |
| 18:08.06 | filipdevuan_ | oh yeah downloading it now |
| 18:08.29 | filipdevuan_ | btw i uninstalled pulseaudio and java apps stopped play sound i have no idea why :/ |
| 18:08.48 | gnarface | i'd think there's a way around that |
| 18:09.19 | gnarface | might require some java-specific knowledge to re-assign alsa or oss as the audio device |
| 18:09.28 | gnarface | some environment variable maybe |
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| 18:14.50 | filipdevuan_ | damn i got disconnected |
| 18:15.23 | filipdevuan_ | yeah its java games that i play wont play any sound |
| 18:17.16 | filipdevuan_ | im so bored with this proprietary games id love to find some nice open source games where for example i can create magician and conquer evil |
| 18:21.46 | filipdevuan_ | btw what really irritates me atm is when i put audio cd to laptop i use alsaplayer to play it and then when i put another cd it wont detect it either in vlc that is annoying very much and i dont know why something like that happens |
| 18:22.19 | filipdevuan_ | if i reset laptop then it detects it again but it seems like os stucks at first cd i put and then second one is unplayable :( |
| 18:23.56 | furrywolf | people still own CDs? :) |
| 18:26.42 | filipdevuan_ | why not? |
| 18:27.06 | filipdevuan_ | i have tapes, vinyls, cds, is something wrong with it?? |
| 18:28.22 | furrywolf | I got rid of all my physical media a while ago... my entire bookshelf of vinyl fills a fraction of a thumbdrive. |
| 18:30.25 | filipdevuan_ | and why did u get rid of all media |
| 18:30.44 | furrywolf | because I'd much rather fill half my house with something else. |
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| 18:32.41 | filipdevuan_ | so now you have no music how sad |
| 18:33.42 | furrywolf | no, now I have *runs find* 2920 albums, that fill a fraction of a thumbdrive. :) |
| 18:37.14 | golinux | Until the drive fails . . . (as all things eventually do) |
| 18:37.27 | furrywolf | backups. |
| 18:37.40 | furrywolf | also, much of my vinyl, and all of my tapes, failed. |
| 18:38.05 | furrywolf | vinyl fails a little more every time you play it... and tapes fail even sitting untouched. |
| 18:38.56 | furrywolf | I never really had a CD collection, but my CD-Rs have failed too... every one of them. obviously, of course, factory-made CDs don't have the same issues. |
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| 18:42.43 | filipdevuan_ | well i prefer to have physical copy of music digital music is not nice speaking digital depeche mode songs will never sound like straight from vinyls no matter what so from my point of view i can say you have no music since there are files with sounds on your thumbdrive, but its not music just compressed sounds and your history about music didnt solve my problem with alsaplayer and reading CD's after i deleted |
| 18:42.43 | filipdevuan_ | pulseaudio |
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| 18:44.21 | furrywolf | you're right, they'll never sound like vinyl... they'll actually have treble. :P |
| 18:44.43 | furrywolf | pulseaudio is utter crap |
| 18:45.30 | filipdevuan_ | yeah so i wanna listen to depeche mode songs but i havent got vinyls cuz i have them in other country and digital sound is not what i hear on vinyls vinyls r better, same when i lkisten to music straight from cd rather than .wav file |
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| 18:46.45 | golinux | This is OT for this channel btw |
| 18:48.12 | furrywolf | ... a wav file is literally bit-for-bit identical to the cd. |
| 18:51.08 | filipdevuan_ | yeah i dont wanna OT here, sorry. pointless to talk about that one prefers listening to music from youtube or spotify one prefers cds or vinyls so according to your question yeah there are people that still own cds :) |
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| 18:51.24 | mchasard | hi |
| 18:52.05 | furrywolf | I don't listen to music from youtube or spotify. I get high-quality versions (flac and 320bps mp3) from rutracker. :) |
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| 18:52.25 | furrywolf | note flac is, like wav, also bit-for-bit identical to the source cd. :) |
| 18:52.33 | filipdevuan_ | yeah its understandable but i still prefer to listen to music from hi fi systems not from laptops or smartphones |
| 18:52.52 | poeinklum | Is there a way I can avoid the repeated error messages I keep getting from evince instances (on my ASCII machine)? |
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| 18:54.00 | poeinklum | Errors and warnings such as: "No offset found for match "P" at page 9 after processing 56 results" |
| 18:54.00 | poeinklum | and "ev_page_cache_get_annot_mapping: assertion 'page >= 0 && page < cache->n_pages' failed" |
| 18:54.00 | poeinklum | and "llocating size to EvWindow 0x55ef1439bcf0 without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). How does the code know the size to allocate?" |
| 18:54.07 | furrywolf | my laptop is connected to 8 speakers containing 34 drivers and 1200 RMS watts of amplifier power. |
| 18:55.35 | Pr0metheus | poeinklum are you using gnome? |
| 18:58.20 | furrywolf | bbl, my project today is, on a very related topic, building more shelves. lol |
| 19:00.01 | poeinklum | Pr0metheus: I'm using Xfce |
| 19:00.15 | poeinklum | umm, sorry, |
| 19:00.16 | poeinklum | I meant |
| 19:00.20 | poeinklum | I'm using Cinnamon |
| 19:00.46 | poeinklum | (... but in fallback mode because of some Intel on-board graphics vs non-graphic-use GPU) |
| 19:01.04 | Pr0metheus | well I guess you get this errors/warnings in the log files, correct? |
| 19:05.19 | mchasard | which derivatives devuan to install the lighter please |
| 19:05.33 | KatolaZ | poeinklum: does evince work? |
| 19:05.36 | filipdevuan_ | seriously i think listening do mp3s flacs or .wavs is for posers |
| 19:05.47 | filipdevuan_ | its what kills music industry |
| 19:06.17 | filipdevuan_ | theres snothing like having physical copy or something that you own you may lose your thumbdrive much easier than you would your cds |
| 19:06.31 | filipdevuan_ | and if u havent got enough room for cds then perhaps you should buy bigger house |
| 19:07.25 | filipdevuan_ | and i assure you listening to digital mps3 or .wavs will never be like listening to something straighjt from cd, and why you still contunue on this topic, its OF |
| 19:07.35 | filipdevuan_ | OT* |
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| 19:10.04 | saptech | hi all |
| 19:10.12 | KatolaZ | hi saptech |
| 19:11.02 | filipdevuan_ | hey |
| 19:11.32 | saptech | I have an ext. hdd with 2 partitions on it, one ext4 & one with ntfs. When I log in, I noticed they are both mounted and available for normal user |
| 19:11.46 | saptech | What causes this to happen? |
| 19:12.47 | saptech | I recently installed another distro but can't get the same behavior with the new distro |
| 19:12.52 | poeinklum | KatolaZ: Yes, it does work |
| 19:13.05 | poeinklum | No crashes or strange behavior as far as the UI is concerned |
| 19:13.14 | KatolaZ | poeinklum: great |
| 19:13.39 | poeinklum | KatolaZ: It's essentially stderr junk (unless there's something I'm missing) |
| 19:14.02 | KatolaZ | it's easy to see if it's stderr junk :) |
| 19:25.43 | filipdevuan_ | btw i have question maybe OT is there any chance for example lets say i wanna create website but i dont wanna appear on google results (dont wanna be on their servers) is it even possible nowadays or every website has to be on google no matter what?? |
| 19:28.10 | Pr0metheus | filipdevuan_ check https://petermeadit.com/blog/block-web-crawlers/ |
| 19:28.26 | filipdevuan_ | thank you :) |
| 19:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | robots:none |
| 19:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or along that line |
| 19:29.33 | Pr0metheus | robots does not guarantee that it won't be listed |
| 19:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, Pr0metheus' headline gives it away |
| 19:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | User-agent: * Disallow |
| 19:33.32 | Pr0metheus | anyone knows in C++ how I can properly use the new operator without messing with the overcommit settings? |
| 19:34.17 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: OT here, please |
| 19:35.40 | Pr0metheus | OT? |
| 19:36.40 | booyah | Pr0metheus: sounds like a question for ##c++ |
| 19:36.42 | KatolaZ | Off-Topic |
| 19:36.54 | KatolaZ | this is a channel dedicated to Devuan |
| 19:38.31 | Pr0metheus | well I already tried it on C++ but the problem is that it is a cross-topic because it is linux specific. The kernel has an overcommit feature, that means you want to allocate memory and it says OK i've done although this memory might not even exist at all! |
| 19:39.46 | Pr0metheus | anyway I'll try on another channel:P |
| 19:40.27 | furrywolf | my approach is to not worry about it, and don't allocate more memory than I plan to actually use. |
| 19:41.53 | Pr0metheus | furrywolf, good approach but in my case I need to invert some 100,000 x 100,000 matrices:P |
| 19:43.05 | furrywolf | it doesn't affect whether your operation works or not... just whether it fails at allocation time or fails sometime in the middle of running. |
| 19:44.37 | furrywolf | I've never had to invert a matrix that big... in fact, the only matrix inversion code I've written is hardcoded for 4x4. lol |
| 19:45.20 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: this is not a Linux kernel channel, please |
| 19:45.38 | KatolaZ | or a linux programming one |
| 19:45.41 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 19:48.20 | golinux | KatolaZ: It's nearly impossible to herd the cats on this channel |
| 19:48.34 | furrywolf | well duh, most of us aren't cats. :) |
| 19:48.35 | golinux | They blather on and on OT |
| 19:48.54 | golinux | almost included wolves |
| 19:49.34 | golinux | If the chatter here indicates the state of Devuan, we're in trouble |
| 19:52.49 | filipdevuan_ | sorry i sent a message where i said i have a problem with alsa and mounting audio cd's and furrywolf started offtopic with asking me who buys cd's nowadays :/ |
| 19:53.21 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan_: np :) |
| 19:54.52 | furrywolf | I don't know if discussing the linux kernel counts as blathering... off-topic, but it's still something worth of discussion somewhere. |
| 19:55.46 | furrywolf | bbl, back to building shelves |
| 19:56.07 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: it was not eve the linux kernel :D |
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| 19:59.38 | Pr0metheus | well the state of Devuan, I happily switched to Devuan and things are working fine, got rid of systemd made my system work faster and smoother, but I am generally concerned for how much longer we will be able to hac k this and how easy it will be as the kernel is already under control of companies and soon IBM will join the party |
| 20:00.18 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: according to the well-informed, Devuan should have disappeared 3.5 years ago |
| 20:00.23 | KatolaZ | and it's still here |
| 20:00.36 | KatolaZ | how many years do you need before stopping being skeptical? :) |
| 20:00.39 | KatolaZ | how many releases> |
| 20:00.41 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 20:00.42 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:01.23 | Pr0metheus | I don't know, I haven't found info on how many developers devuan has |
| 20:01.47 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: how woudl that change your opinion? :) |
| 20:01.58 | filipdevuan_ | why would even devuan disappear?? |
| 20:02.03 | KatolaZ | https://devuan.org/os/team/ |
| 20:02.07 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: ^^ |
| 20:03.34 | Pr0metheus | well if I wanted to dominate linux and this seems to be the case with all those integrated -d stuff (systemd, etc) I would integrate it in more and more packages. I don't think any team can compete the corporate resources of multinational companies |
| 20:03.59 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: this has not happened as yet |
| 20:04.40 | Pr0metheus | true, but I wouldn't spend 20 billions if I didn't intend to move deeper |
| 20:04.53 | KatolaZ | bah, cheap talk :) |
| 20:05.12 | KatolaZ | if you care about Devuan existing, help Devuan |
| 20:05.16 | filipdevuan_ | well who said that newer packages gonna be better than the old ones |
| 20:05.41 | KatolaZ | speculations won't save the world |
| 20:05.44 | KatolaZ | will just make you sad |
| 20:05.55 | KatolaZ | the only way to change the future is to act now |
| 20:06.24 | filipdevuan_ | the truth is if devuan is going to disappear its gonna be not because of rich companies but because of linux users who use systemd distributions and accept what they're being given |
| 20:06.42 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan_: then Devuan is not going to disappear |
| 20:06.59 | KatolaZ | since there are a lot of Linux users that do not accept what they have been given |
| 20:07.04 | filipdevuan_ | yeah i think huge companies wouldn't have that much power without users |
| 20:07.09 | filipdevuan_ | and customers |
| 20:07.15 | KatolaZ | and do something to keep the ball rolling ;) |
| 20:08.14 | Pr0metheus | I did, replaced my 2 debians with devuan:P |
| 20:08.40 | Pr0metheus | I also replaced the kernel with the linux-libre kernel |
| 20:08.43 | filipdevuan_ | i dont know i found website boykott systemd and i dislike google and they said systemd sets google dns by default so that was the thing that decided for me to try nonsystemd distro and devuan has graphical installer so i just installed it and im still on it im not really experienced linux user lol |
| 20:09.03 | filipdevuan_ | oh and is linux libre any different or better |
| 20:09.23 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan_: the stock kernel from Debian *is* a libre kernel |
| 20:09.30 | KatolaZ | unless you install non-free firmware |
| 20:09.37 | filipdevuan_ | okay :> |
| 20:09.53 | Pr0metheus | lol, that's why I didn't see a difference:P |
| 20:10.00 | filipdevuan_ | im scared of google so that google dns just freaked me out... |
| 20:10.26 | KatolaZ | Pr0metheus: the main difference is that the libre-linux kernel does not allow to load non-free firmware at all |
| 20:10.50 | KatolaZ | but the Debian kernel is completely free |
| 20:11.00 | KatolaZ | (if you just use 'main') |
| 20:11.31 | Pr0metheus | well filip you cannot hide:P I read the article about ssh backdoor and all the probably hidden 'bugs' and it is very discouraging |
| 20:12.23 | filipdevuan_ | at least i don't use google as search engine and i don't go on youtube at all. i also avoid google recaptchas on websites as much as i can. |
| 20:12.51 | filipdevuan_ | and i also dont use systemd distros because theyre google dns not all of them but arch distros manjaro or antergos are google dns |
| 20:13.32 | filipdevuan_ | i dont wanna contribute to their billions of dollars while i am poor and watching youtube or googling doesnt make me richer person |
| 20:14.12 | Pr0metheus | so you don't have a cell phone? |
| 20:14.21 | golinux | I don't |
| 20:14.26 | Pr0metheus | really? |
| 20:14.30 | golinux | I refuse to go there. |
| 20:14.39 | filipdevuan_ | nah i dont have a smartphone as well |
| 20:14.56 | filipdevuan_ | i mean android or apple |
| 20:15.16 | Pr0metheus | so you guys never check mail while on the move? |
| 20:15.17 | golinux | Well I do have an old filp phone in the car that I can use for 911 if I get stranded. |
| 20:15.34 | golinux | But it's not connected to an account |
| 20:15.43 | filipdevuan_ | what makes you think that gmail is the only e-mail provider?? |
| 20:15.59 | golinux | I'm rarely on the move |
| 20:16.16 | filipdevuan_ | same with me i spent most of my existence on the computer |
| 20:16.18 | filipdevuan_ | :D |
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| 20:16.26 | filipdevuan_ | spend* |
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| 20:19.12 | Pr0metheus | in my case I travel so it is not very easy to avoid using a smart phone |
| 20:20.33 | filipdevuan_ | i really prefer to use laptop with devuan than any android or apple device |
| 20:21.02 | filipdevuan_ | i wish i had a laptop made in europe though or made in england why is it all chinese :( |
| 20:21.09 | Pr0metheus | but in any case, you can never be sure that all the rest of the software or hardware you use does not include backdoors |
| 20:21.19 | Pr0metheus | chinese cost less:P |
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| 20:22.11 | filipdevuan_ | id rather pay more and get something from european than from chinese who built laptop for a bowl of rice |
| 20:23.04 | filipdevuan_ | yeah well... i don't think google results are great and also youtube is brainwashing. i used to go on youtube to listen to music but now when i realised that there's something like better sound than this from streaming services i don't go on there anymore |
| 20:23.21 | filipdevuan_ | im simply scared |
| 20:24.12 | Pr0metheus | well if you read about the motherboards that had spying software installed and the western digital hard disks sold in saudi arabia that also had this kind of software you wouldn't own a computer:P |
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| 20:26.27 | filipdevuan_ | yeah this is why id love to buy laptop assembled in europe not asia |
| 20:26.36 | filipdevuan_ | im getting one from minifree.org next |
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| 20:26.59 | filipdevuan_ | however funny that guy who runs this website is a woman now |
| 20:30.36 | golinux | Please move OT to #debianfork |
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| 20:33.48 | filipdevuan_ | yeah im going there |
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| 22:18.41 | filipdevuan_ | i remember this guy that was coming here his nickname was xrogaan he was amazing he was the first guy who helped me on the irc i wonder if he still participate on irc sometimes |
| 22:19.36 | xrogaan | what? |
| 22:22.31 | furrywolf | lol |
| 22:25.58 | filipdevuan_ | ohh wow |
| 22:26.14 | filipdevuan_ | nice to see you :D |
| 22:26.40 | filipdevuan_ | what does it mean when user has blue dot by his nickname on the list?? |
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| 22:27.22 | furrywolf | it means you're using an IRC client that shows things with colored dots instead of anything standard that anyone else would know what it is. lol |
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| 22:47.24 | rwp | filipdevuan_, It means that a user has been explicitly voiced and can speak in the channel even if +m is set in the channel. |
| 22:49.01 | xrogaan | I've got the power! |
| 22:51.59 | rwp | It's either that or that funky thing xchat does that sets one of the user modes and displays the same way. :-) |
| 22:53.09 | furrywolf | has never used a client that shows voice as anything other than a + |
| 22:55.26 | Xenguy | filipdevuan_: re: blue dot: It means there is no spoon |
| 22:55.38 | Xenguy | loves cryptic... |
| 22:57.48 | furrywolf | lol |
| 22:58.04 | Xenguy | 8 -D |
| 23:00.35 | MinceR | iirc xchat uses colored dots (iirc yellow for voice) and kvirc uses letter icons (v for voice) |
| 23:01.14 | furrywolf | yes, because let's totally ignore the + that's been standard forever... |
| 23:01.58 | Xenguy | Yep |
| 23:02.11 | Xenguy | But that's progress |
| 23:03.06 | Xenguy | er, for ya |
| 23:03.26 | furrywolf | just because something is change doesn't necessary mean it's better. :) |
| 23:04.49 | Xenguy | e.g. systemd ! : ) |
| 23:05.20 | xrogaan | you can untick "use icon instead of text" in the user list preference thing. |
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