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00:19.31 | booyah | o. |
00:19.33 | booyah | o/ |
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00:38.05 | mooseface420 | UI gets real laggy in 4k. maybe 15 fps. using KDE Plasma |
00:38.29 | mooseface420 | it's better in 2k. but pretty annoyed |
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02:46.46 | Xenguy | Happy Birthday Devuan |
02:47.21 | Xenguy | Sagitarius, makes sense : -) |
02:52.51 | Xenguy | A blast from the past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siUHszm5xnE |
02:53.02 | Xenguy | Speaking of |
03:02.09 | Xenguy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH18SmqpSME |
03:08.06 | mooseface420 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0v6yVow4tU |
03:10.21 | Xenguy | To infinity and beyound! |
03:13.34 | Xenguy | There was absolutely no LSD involved with that production! |
03:13.55 | Xenguy | Not a drop |
03:14.11 | Xenguy | Sorry OT |
03:23.30 | mooseface420 | lol |
03:24.30 | Xenguy | I liked the song, very original too |
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05:10.04 | xrogaan | KatolaZ: one mirror is kaput http://dpaste.com/0ZHW4TA |
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06:39.09 | man_in_shack | sets fire to Xenguy |
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10:36.04 | jyri | no one else was hit by this: grub-install: error: cannot copy `/usr/share/locale/bg.gmo' to `/boot/grub/locale/bg.mo': Is a directory. ? |
10:38.42 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: timestamp> |
10:39.00 | r3boot | jyri: nope. But just to check, is /boot/grub/locale/bg.mo a directory by any chance? |
10:39.31 | xrogaan | KatolaZ: about when I posted |
10:39.49 | xrogaan | KatolaZ: no idea how to know *which* mirror is faulty |
10:39.53 | KatolaZ | ok |
10:39.55 | KatolaZ | checking now |
10:39.59 | KatolaZ | I saw it |
10:40.07 | KatolaZ | thanks |
10:41.40 | KatolaZ | I am also amending one of the automatic checks |
10:50.31 | jyri | +xrogaan: yes it is, it contains /LC_MESSAGES/ConsoleKit2@INSTOBJEXT@ |
10:51.47 | jyri | I don't know what broke last week that that started happening (I build and install the latest stable kernel every time it comes out) |
11:00.44 | xrogaan | what? |
11:04.12 | jyri | I do grub-install /dev/sdc to get the new kernel set up for the next time I boot the machine, that stopped working with the above mentioned error message |
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11:20.10 | xrogaan | I have no idea. |
11:20.57 | xrogaan | jyri: check /etc/grub.d |
11:21.05 | xrogaan | and /etc/default/grub |
11:23.11 | jyri | yeah, did, there's no mention at all |
11:28.37 | xrogaan | I don't really understand grub, so I can't help. |
11:37.44 | xrogaan | jyri: /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo shouldn't exists |
11:37.53 | xrogaan | try apt-file search /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo |
11:38.51 | xrogaan | well, it's not in any package, so you've been naughty with your computer. |
11:38.56 | jyri | $ ls -la /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo |
11:38.56 | jyri | total 12 |
11:38.56 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 24 Nov 22 10:04 . |
11:38.56 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 243 root root 8192 Nov 22 10:04 .. |
11:38.57 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 36 Nov 22 10:04 LC_MESSAGES |
11:39.10 | xrogaan | It shouldn't exists. |
11:39.28 | xrogaan | did you compile and `sudo make install' anything? |
11:39.43 | xrogaan | from where does that folder comes from? |
11:39.50 | jyri | hmm, I wonder, ok, I'll just remove it to some other directory |
11:40.29 | xrogaan | are you running anything as root? |
11:42.04 | jyri | X, nothing else |
11:42.50 | xrogaan | Did you *purposely* ran any software as root? |
11:43.08 | xrogaan | that is, not a system daemon. |
11:43.56 | jyri | well, I run the grub-install as root |
11:45.31 | jyri | if I remove that file then grub-install hits grub-install: error: cannot copy `/usr/share/locale/es.gmo' to `/boot/grub/locale/es.mo': Is a directory. |
11:46.37 | jyri | so it is scanning the whole /usr/share/locale/ and that is naturally full of directories |
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11:48.06 | xrogaan | yes, the .gmo folders are not native to debian |
11:50.58 | ejr | why does "sudo update-rc.d wicd -f remove" not disable wicd from running at startup? i just tried, and it still starts even though i want to use network-manager only |
11:51.16 | xrogaan | you might want to check the package of all files in the /usr/share/locale |
11:51.41 | xrogaan | compile a list, remove the whole folder and reinstall all the packages your listed. |
11:51.46 | xrogaan | But that's crazy. |
11:52.27 | jyri | I removed the *.gmo directories from there and grub-install worked just fine |
11:52.32 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 24 Nov 22 10:04 bg.gmo |
11:52.32 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 24 Nov 22 10:04 es_419.gmo |
11:52.32 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 24 Nov 22 10:04 es.gmo |
11:52.32 | jyri | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 24 Nov 22 10:04 ru.gmo |
11:52.34 | xrogaan | yeah |
11:52.53 | xrogaan | the question, though, is what the hell put those folder there. |
11:53.01 | jyri | I know for sure that I didn't install anything manually in the last month expect the kernels |
11:53.35 | xrogaan | it dates back to 6 days ago. Check your auth log. |
11:55.32 | jyri | yeah, this looks bad, thanks |
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12:25.18 | jyri | the files themselves are harmless and seem to be that redhat has that format ie. /usr/share/locale/es.gmo/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo |
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12:45.52 | furrymcgee | Any idea why d-i Package.gz is missing in my CD? WARNING **: bad d-i Packages file http://paste.debian.net/1053550 http://paste.debian.net/1053547 |
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12:56.49 | xrogaan | jyri: it's not those files, but whatever created them |
12:58.33 | jyri | yes, nothing in the auth logs, I am running ceres though, might be some package that did something that it shouldn't when it got updated |
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14:26.33 | segfault | please help. |
14:27.17 | segfault | I installed ASCII from live gui medium that ran the XFCE desktop |
14:27.34 | jyri | and? |
14:27.37 | segfault | I don't like XFCE, so I installed GNOME 2 Mate desktop |
14:27.42 | segfault | and removed XFCE |
14:28.06 | segfault | Now a lot of important shit like wcid, slim etc are gone |
14:28.12 | segfault | font's are not rendering |
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14:28.52 | r3boot | segfault: did you try to reinstall those packages? |
14:29.15 | segfault | That's the problem, I don't know what packages are important |
14:29.24 | r3boot | you just named a few ;) |
14:29.45 | segfault | I only know a few of them. |
14:29.52 | jyri | how did you remove the XFCE? |
14:30.07 | segfault | sudo apt remove xfce && sudo apt autoremove |
14:30.15 | r3boot | just to be complete: I dont run devuan (but have 15+ yrs of unix experience), so I dont know the specifics. This does feel a bit like you removed a meta package |
14:30.44 | r3boot | (a package that depends on a lot of others, giving you a desktop with a single command for instance) |
14:31.14 | segfault | r3boot, what distro do you run? |
14:31.15 | jyri | autoremove gives a list of packages that it removes |
14:31.51 | segfault | jyri, autoremove also gives the list of packages that contain xfce desktop packages also. |
14:31.55 | r3boot | segfault: arch, debian (both with and without systemd), openbsd, freebsd, juniper, openvms, windows (and a bunch of ancient unixes on museum hardware) |
14:32.09 | segfault | I don't want to install them |
14:32.19 | gnu_srs2 | segfault: apt-get install task-mate-desktop |
14:33.43 | segfault | gnu_srs2, that meta package seems to pull in the packages that I removed. Thank you. |
14:34.14 | segfault | gnu_srs2, BTW, what is task-* package? |
14:34.35 | segfault | when I removed xfce4, there was a task-xfce that got removed too. |
14:36.17 | r3boot | the task-* packages sounds like the meta packages I was talking about |
14:37.19 | r3boot | Ah, yes, indeed: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/task-mate-desktop_3.39+devuan1.9.html |
14:38.38 | segfault | r3boot, yes seems like devuan repo has a lot of task-* meta packages |
14:38.52 | r3boot | yep |
14:39.05 | r3boot | try to install the package gnu_srs2 was talking about |
14:39.10 | r3boot | that should fix up most things |
14:39.34 | r3boot | (except for maybe wicd, which will likely be replaced with networkmanager?) |
14:39.48 | segfault | installing the meta package worked. |
14:40.13 | segfault | I installed wicd manually |
14:40.56 | segfault | Everything good now. Thanks everyone. |
14:41.06 | segfault | r3boot, BTW why you run arch or debian? how do you even get rid of systemd on them? |
14:41.25 | r3boot | getting rid of systemd is not a priority for me, but this is not the channel to discuss this ;) |
14:42.20 | segfault | I thought devuan was a proponent of the freedom of init scripts. |
14:42.31 | r3boot | like I said, lets not discuss this :) |
14:42.48 | r3boot | (there are a *lot* of layers involved, and lots & lots of nuances) |
14:43.12 | segfault | OK, but do you know if I can use runit instead of devuan's sysvinit? |
14:43.25 | r3boot | I think you can yeah |
14:43.56 | r3boot | it shoulnt be that hard to manually replace it as well (if devuan doesnt have an option for it) |
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14:59.53 | fsmithred | calibrate |
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15:20.20 | errandir1 | Before devuan existed I effectively disabled systemd by installing sysv init into /sbin |
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16:08.53 | premoboss | hi |
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17:20.42 | KatolaZ | hi premoboss |
17:28.23 | premoboss | i have a PC with 3 NIC. NIC_0 goes to my home router and from there, to internet. NIC_1 goes to subnet_1, NIC_2 goes to subnet_2. the pc play as a gateway/router in "trasparent" way. Now i want to block access for subnet_2 to a particular website (www.example.com) but allow to subnet_1. There is a way to do wit a iptables's rule? i tried "iptables -A FORWARD -d <web_site_ip_address> -j DROP, but this bloc both subnet 1 nad 2 and more, it works on ip |
17:28.24 | premoboss | address but i will like it works on name of website to bloc in case of multiple ip address ther report to the same website name. |
17:30.59 | KatolaZ | premoboss: you can specify that you want that rule to apply to packets you received from a specific interface |
17:31.12 | KatolaZ | with "-i" |
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17:35.11 | KatolaZ | name |
17:35.18 | KatolaZ | ops, wrong window |
17:37.37 | premoboss | KatolaZ, i wait to block access to "www.example.com" to subnet_2 but allow to subnet_1. |
17:38.14 | KatolaZ | premoboss: please read what I wrote |
17:38.26 | KatolaZ | you know which interface is connected to subnet_2 |
17:38.48 | KatolaZ | so in your rule you can specify that the DROP applies only to packages the router has received from that interface |
17:38.57 | KatolaZ | using the flag "-i" |
17:38.58 | premoboss | eth0 goes to router, eth1 to subnet_1, eth2 to subnet_2 |
17:39.32 | premoboss | KatolaZ, my problem is that i dont knwo how to play wil iptables. |
17:39.55 | KatolaZ | premoboss: then you shouldn't put your hands on a router :P |
17:40.03 | premoboss | i just find in internete the rule that allow to do a trasparent connetcion "all see all" and no more. |
17:40.38 | premoboss | is not a router, is a exambple PC i set ul and place after the "real" router. |
17:40.56 | KatolaZ | premoboss: anything that drives traffic through different IP networks is a router |
17:40.59 | premoboss | if i do mess, i just take tht pc away :-) |
17:41.07 | KatolaZ | by definition |
17:41.17 | KatolaZ | there are no "real" vs "fake" routers |
17:41.24 | premoboss | ok, by definition. |
17:41.54 | premoboss | lets call it "another" router after the "official" one. |
17:42.11 | KatolaZ | o_O |
17:42.30 | KatolaZ | official or unofficial is not an adjective for a router |
17:42.32 | KatolaZ | :D |
17:42.39 | premoboss | "o_O" stay for? |
17:43.20 | KatolaZ | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=o_O |
17:43.23 | KatolaZ | :P |
17:44.03 | premoboss | ok |
17:44.04 | jyri | premoboss: iptables -A INPUT -d <ip address to block> -i <name of NIC_2> -j DROP |
17:44.18 | premoboss | jyri, thanks. |
17:44.34 | KatolaZ | no jyri |
17:44.46 | KatolaZ | INPUT is for packages directed TO the machine |
17:44.53 | premoboss | can iptables works also with address like www.google.com or it works only with ip address? |
17:45.01 | KatolaZ | not for packages that should be forwarded... |
17:45.20 | jyri | ah yes, sorry |
17:45.22 | KatolaZ | premoboss: it looks like you need an http proxy |
17:45.38 | premoboss | KatolaZ, can you suggest me one? |
17:45.51 | jyri | iptables -A FORWARD -d <ip address to block> -i <name of NIC_2> -j DROP |
17:46.09 | premoboss | jyri, ok |
17:46.53 | jyri | but, please read an short tutorial about iptables |
17:46.59 | KatolaZ | or maybe a long one |
17:47.09 | KatolaZ | :) |
17:47.47 | premoboss | ahaha ok :-) |
17:48.43 | KatolaZ | actually, it would be probably better to put that rule in the PREROUTING chain inside the "nat" table |
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18:06.28 | ttkv | does anyone know how long "LTS" devuan releases are supported? |
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18:15.43 | djph | however long Jessie has been supported thusfar ... ;) |
18:18.14 | ttkv | so it's tied to the Debian support cycle? good to know :-) thank you |
18:19.39 | ttkv | looking that up, debian LTS is five years |
18:24.20 | djph | uh |
18:24.21 | djph | no |
18:24.27 | djph | *DEVUAN JESSIE* |
18:26.09 | ttkv | ah |
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20:13.55 | jbg_ | where is the meeting this evening? |
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20:55.58 | eyalroz | I'm having a somewhat embarrasing problem: |
20:55.58 | eyalroz | For various reasons, I need to use Google Meet and/or Google Hangouts to make a presentation, for which I want to share my screen, or a specific Window. |
20:55.58 | eyalroz | However - this fails, both with Firefox and with Chromium. Firefox just crashes, while with Chromium, I can have the video conference, but I'm told "Your browser can't share your screen." |
20:56.21 | eyalroz | I realize this not Devuan's problem, and I dislike Google as much as the next guy. |
20:57.13 | eyalroz | However, I need to figure out where the problem is: The browser, the distro, Google's Meet or Hangouts code? |
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21:17.46 | eyalroz | Ideas? |
21:19.09 | obeardly | eyalroz: Firefox-esr crashing due to Google Hangouts is a known problem. |
21:19.15 | obeardly | I have use to Hangouts for work. |
21:19.23 | obeardly | I had to install Google Chrome to make it happen. |
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21:44.37 | eyalroz | obeardly: And you experienced similar problems to mine? |
21:44.50 | eyalroz | in Chromium, I mean? |
21:45.04 | obeardly | I could not get Hangouts working in Chromium. |
21:45.25 | obeardly | I had the exact same problem. |
21:45.41 | obeardly | So I installed Google Chrome and now I can use Hangouts without issue. |
21:49.22 | nemo | obeardly: yeah. google kinda screwed mozilla over on hangouts |
21:49.44 | nemo | obeardly: they coordinate for years on eliminating plugins (since hangouts used to use flash in non-chrome browsers, pnacl in chrome) |
21:52.02 | nemo | obeardly: flash gets deprecated, mozilla looks at google... "eh, we'll get right on that..." |
21:52.16 | nemo | took a good... year... for first beta of that fix to even appear. after the deprecation |
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21:56.01 | nemo | hm. seems fine in my firefox here though. admittedly I'm using nightly |
21:56.26 | nemo | workplace kinda ditched google hangouts after that so hadn't tried it in a while |
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