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00:19.31booyaho.
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00:38.05mooseface420UI gets real laggy in 4k. maybe 15 fps. using KDE Plasma
00:38.29mooseface420it's better in 2k. but pretty annoyed
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02:46.17*** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | **You might need to auth to nickserv to talk!** | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/
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02:46.46XenguyHappy Birthday Devuan
02:47.21XenguySagitarius, makes sense : -)
02:52.51XenguyA blast from the past:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siUHszm5xnE
02:53.02XenguySpeaking of
03:02.09Xenguyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH18SmqpSME
03:08.06mooseface420https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0v6yVow4tU
03:10.21XenguyTo infinity and beyound!
03:13.34XenguyThere was absolutely no LSD involved with that production!
03:13.55XenguyNot a drop
03:14.11XenguySorry OT
03:23.30mooseface420lol
03:24.30XenguyI liked the song, very original too
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05:10.04xrogaanKatolaZ: one mirror is kaput http://dpaste.com/0ZHW4TA
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10:36.04jyrino one else was hit by this: grub-install: error: cannot copy `/usr/share/locale/bg.gmo' to `/boot/grub/locale/bg.mo': Is a directory. ?
10:38.42KatolaZxrogaan: timestamp>
10:39.00r3bootjyri: nope. But just to check, is /boot/grub/locale/bg.mo a directory by any chance?
10:39.31xrogaanKatolaZ: about when I posted
10:39.49xrogaanKatolaZ: no idea how to know *which* mirror is faulty
10:39.53KatolaZok
10:39.55KatolaZchecking now
10:39.59KatolaZI saw it
10:40.07KatolaZthanks
10:41.40KatolaZI am also amending one of the automatic checks
10:50.31jyri+xrogaan: yes it is, it contains /LC_MESSAGES/ConsoleKit2@INSTOBJEXT@
10:51.47jyriI don't know what broke last week that that started happening (I build and install the latest stable kernel every time it comes out)
11:00.44xrogaanwhat?
11:04.12jyriI do grub-install /dev/sdc to get the new kernel set up for the next time I boot the machine, that stopped working with the above mentioned error message
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11:20.10xrogaanI have no idea.
11:20.57xrogaanjyri: check /etc/grub.d
11:21.05xrogaanand /etc/default/grub
11:23.11jyriyeah, did, there's no mention at all
11:28.37xrogaanI don't really understand grub, so I can't help.
11:37.44xrogaanjyri: /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo shouldn't exists
11:37.53xrogaantry apt-file search /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo
11:38.51xrogaanwell, it's not in any package, so you've been naughty with your computer.
11:38.56jyri$ ls -la /usr/share/locale/bg.gmo
11:38.56jyritotal 12
11:38.56jyridrwxr-xr-x   3 root root   24 Nov 22 10:04 .
11:38.56jyridrwxr-xr-x 243 root root 8192 Nov 22 10:04 ..
11:38.57jyridrwxr-xr-x   2 root root   36 Nov 22 10:04 LC_MESSAGES
11:39.10xrogaanIt shouldn't exists.
11:39.28xrogaandid you compile and `sudo make install' anything?
11:39.43xrogaanfrom where does that folder comes from?
11:39.50jyrihmm, I wonder, ok, I'll just remove it to some other directory
11:40.29xrogaanare you running anything as root?
11:42.04jyriX, nothing else
11:42.50xrogaanDid you *purposely* ran any software as root?
11:43.08xrogaanthat is, not a system daemon.
11:43.56jyriwell, I run the grub-install as root
11:45.31jyriif I remove that file then grub-install hits grub-install: error: cannot copy `/usr/share/locale/es.gmo' to `/boot/grub/locale/es.mo': Is a directory.
11:46.37jyriso it is scanning the whole /usr/share/locale/ and that is naturally full of directories
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11:48.06xrogaanyes, the .gmo folders are not native to debian
11:50.58ejrwhy does "sudo update-rc.d wicd -f remove" not disable wicd from running at startup? i just tried, and it still starts even though i want to use network-manager only
11:51.16xrogaanyou might want to check the package of all files in the /usr/share/locale
11:51.41xrogaancompile a list, remove the whole folder and reinstall all the packages your listed.
11:51.46xrogaanBut that's crazy.
11:52.27jyriI removed the *.gmo directories from there and grub-install worked just fine
11:52.32jyridrwxr-xr-x  3 root root   24 Nov 22 10:04 bg.gmo
11:52.32jyridrwxr-xr-x  3 root root   24 Nov 22 10:04 es_419.gmo
11:52.32jyridrwxr-xr-x  3 root root   24 Nov 22 10:04 es.gmo
11:52.32jyridrwxr-xr-x  3 root root   24 Nov 22 10:04 ru.gmo
11:52.34xrogaanyeah
11:52.53xrogaanthe question, though, is what the hell put those folder there.
11:53.01jyriI know for sure that I didn't install anything manually in the last month expect the kernels
11:53.35xrogaanit dates back to 6 days ago. Check your auth log.
11:55.32jyriyeah, this looks bad, thanks
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12:25.18jyrithe files themselves are harmless and seem to be that redhat has that format ie. /usr/share/locale/es.gmo/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo
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12:45.52furrymcgeeAny idea why d-i Package.gz is missing in my CD? WARNING **: bad d-i Packages file http://paste.debian.net/1053550 http://paste.debian.net/1053547
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12:56.49xrogaanjyri: it's not those files, but whatever created them
12:58.33jyriyes, nothing in the auth logs, I am running ceres though, might be some package that did something that it shouldn't when it got updated
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14:26.33segfaultplease help.
14:27.17segfaultI installed ASCII from live gui medium that ran the XFCE desktop
14:27.34jyriand?
14:27.37segfaultI don't like XFCE, so I installed GNOME 2 Mate desktop
14:27.42segfaultand removed XFCE
14:28.06segfaultNow a lot of important shit like wcid, slim etc are gone
14:28.12segfaultfont's are not rendering
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14:28.52r3bootsegfault: did you try to reinstall those packages?
14:29.15segfaultThat's the problem, I don't know what packages are important
14:29.24r3bootyou just named a few ;)
14:29.45segfaultI only know a few of them.
14:29.52jyrihow did you remove the XFCE?
14:30.07segfaultsudo apt remove xfce && sudo apt autoremove
14:30.15r3bootjust to be complete: I dont run devuan (but have 15+ yrs of unix experience), so I dont know the specifics. This does feel a bit like you removed a meta package
14:30.44r3boot(a package that depends on a lot of others, giving you a desktop with a single command for instance)
14:31.14segfaultr3boot, what distro do you run?
14:31.15jyriautoremove gives a list of packages that it removes
14:31.51segfaultjyri, autoremove also gives the list of packages that contain xfce desktop packages also.
14:31.55r3bootsegfault: arch, debian (both with and without systemd), openbsd, freebsd, juniper, openvms, windows (and a bunch of ancient unixes on museum hardware)
14:32.09segfaultI don't want to install them
14:32.19gnu_srs2segfault: apt-get install task-mate-desktop
14:33.43segfaultgnu_srs2, that meta package seems to pull in the packages that I removed. Thank you.
14:34.14segfaultgnu_srs2, BTW, what is task-* package?
14:34.35segfaultwhen I removed xfce4, there was a task-xfce that got removed too.
14:36.17r3bootthe task-* packages sounds like the meta packages I was talking about
14:37.19r3bootAh, yes, indeed: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/task-mate-desktop_3.39+devuan1.9.html
14:38.38segfaultr3boot, yes seems like devuan repo has a lot of task-* meta packages
14:38.52r3bootyep
14:39.05r3boottry to install the package gnu_srs2 was talking about
14:39.10r3bootthat should fix up most things
14:39.34r3boot(except for maybe wicd, which will likely be replaced with networkmanager?)
14:39.48segfaultinstalling the meta package worked.
14:40.13segfaultI installed wicd manually
14:40.56segfaultEverything good now. Thanks everyone.
14:41.06segfaultr3boot, BTW why you run arch or debian? how do you even get rid of systemd on them?
14:41.25r3bootgetting rid of systemd is not a priority for me, but this is not the channel to discuss this ;)
14:42.20segfaultI thought devuan was a proponent of the freedom of init scripts.
14:42.31r3bootlike I said, lets not discuss this :)
14:42.48r3boot(there are a *lot* of layers involved, and lots & lots of nuances)
14:43.12segfaultOK, but do you know if I can use runit instead of devuan's sysvinit?
14:43.25r3bootI think you can yeah
14:43.56r3bootit shoulnt be that hard to manually replace it as well (if devuan doesnt have an option for it)
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15:20.20errandir1Before devuan existed I effectively disabled systemd by installing sysv init into /sbin
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17:20.42KatolaZhi premoboss
17:28.23premobossi have a PC with 3 NIC. NIC_0 goes to my home router and from there, to internet. NIC_1 goes to subnet_1, NIC_2 goes to subnet_2. the pc play as a gateway/router in "trasparent" way. Now i want to block access for subnet_2 to a particular website (www.example.com) but allow to subnet_1. There is a way to do wit a iptables's rule? i tried "iptables -A FORWARD -d <web_site_ip_address> -j DROP, but this bloc both subnet 1 nad 2 and more, it works on ip
17:28.24premobossaddress but i will like it works on name of website to bloc in case of multiple ip address ther report to the same website name.
17:30.59KatolaZpremoboss: you can specify that you want that rule to apply to packets you received from a specific interface
17:31.12KatolaZwith "-i"
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17:35.11KatolaZname
17:35.18KatolaZops, wrong window
17:37.37premobossKatolaZ, i wait to block access to "www.example.com" to subnet_2 but allow to subnet_1.
17:38.14KatolaZpremoboss: please read what I wrote
17:38.26KatolaZyou know which interface is connected to subnet_2
17:38.48KatolaZso in your rule you can specify that the DROP applies only to packages the router has received from that interface
17:38.57KatolaZusing the flag "-i"
17:38.58premobosseth0 goes to router, eth1 to subnet_1, eth2 to subnet_2
17:39.32premobossKatolaZ, my problem is that i dont knwo how to play wil iptables.
17:39.55KatolaZpremoboss: then you shouldn't put your hands on a router :P
17:40.03premobossi just find in internete the rule that allow to do a trasparent connetcion "all see all" and no more.
17:40.38premobossis not a router, is a exambple PC i set ul and place after the "real" router.
17:40.56KatolaZpremoboss: anything that drives traffic through different IP networks is a router
17:40.59premobossif i do mess, i just take tht pc away :-)
17:41.07KatolaZby definition
17:41.17KatolaZthere are no "real" vs "fake" routers
17:41.24premobossok, by definition.
17:41.54premobosslets call it "another" router after the "official" one.
17:42.11KatolaZo_O
17:42.30KatolaZofficial or unofficial is not an adjective for a router
17:42.32KatolaZ:D
17:42.39premoboss"o_O" stay for?
17:43.20KatolaZhttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=o_O
17:43.23KatolaZ:P
17:44.03premobossok
17:44.04jyripremoboss: iptables -A INPUT -d <ip address to block> -i <name of NIC_2> -j DROP
17:44.18premobossjyri, thanks.
17:44.34KatolaZno jyri
17:44.46KatolaZINPUT is for packages directed TO the machine
17:44.53premobosscan iptables works also with address like www.google.com or it works only with ip address?
17:45.01KatolaZnot for packages that should be forwarded...
17:45.20jyriah yes, sorry
17:45.22KatolaZpremoboss: it looks like you need an http proxy
17:45.38premobossKatolaZ, can you suggest me one?
17:45.51jyriiptables -A FORWARD -d <ip address to block> -i <name of NIC_2> -j DROP
17:46.09premobossjyri, ok
17:46.53jyribut, please read an short tutorial about iptables
17:46.59KatolaZor maybe a long one
17:47.09KatolaZ:)
17:47.47premobossahaha ok :-)
17:48.43KatolaZactually, it would be probably better to put that rule in the PREROUTING chain inside the "nat" table
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18:06.28ttkvdoes anyone know how long "LTS" devuan releases are supported?
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18:15.43djphhowever long Jessie has been supported thusfar ... ;)
18:18.14ttkvso it's tied to the Debian support cycle?  good to know :-) thank you
18:19.39ttkvlooking that up, debian LTS is five years
18:24.20djphuh
18:24.21djphno
18:24.27djph*DEVUAN JESSIE*
18:26.09ttkvah
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20:13.55jbg_where is the meeting this evening?
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20:55.58eyalrozI'm having a somewhat embarrasing problem:
20:55.58eyalrozFor various reasons, I need to use Google Meet and/or Google Hangouts to make a presentation, for which I want to share my screen, or a specific Window.
20:55.58eyalrozHowever - this fails, both with Firefox and with Chromium. Firefox just crashes, while with Chromium, I can have the video conference, but I'm told "Your browser can't share your screen."
20:56.21eyalrozI realize this not Devuan's problem, and I dislike Google as much as the next guy.
20:57.13eyalrozHowever, I need to figure out where the problem is: The browser, the distro, Google's Meet or Hangouts code?
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21:17.46eyalrozIdeas?
21:19.09obeardlyeyalroz: Firefox-esr crashing due to Google Hangouts is a known problem.
21:19.15obeardlyI have use to Hangouts for work.
21:19.23obeardlyI had to install Google Chrome to make it happen.
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21:44.37eyalrozobeardly: And you experienced similar problems to mine?
21:44.50eyalrozin Chromium, I mean?
21:45.04obeardlyI could not get Hangouts working in Chromium.
21:45.25obeardlyI had the exact same problem.
21:45.41obeardlySo I installed Google Chrome and now I can use Hangouts without issue.
21:49.22nemoobeardly: yeah. google kinda screwed mozilla over on hangouts
21:49.44nemoobeardly: they coordinate for years on eliminating plugins (since hangouts used to use flash in non-chrome browsers, pnacl in chrome)
21:52.02nemoobeardly: flash gets deprecated, mozilla looks at google... "eh, we'll get right on that..."
21:52.16nemotook a good... year... for first beta of that fix to even appear. after the deprecation
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21:56.01nemohm. seems fine in my firefox here though. admittedly I'm using nightly
21:56.26nemoworkplace kinda ditched google hangouts after that so hadn't tried it in a while
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