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| 02:41.54 | Xenguy | watchcat: well YUMI uses linux for one thing, under windows |
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| 02:46.18 | golinux | That doesn't sound at all YUMI. More like heartburn and indigestion |
| 02:47.37 | Xenguy | "If variety is the spice of life, then why is it giving me indisgestion?" ; -) |
| 02:47.52 | Xenguy | *indigestion |
| 02:48.31 | Xenguy | takes off to get some variety... |
| 02:53.21 | roo^y | who's she? |
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| 04:25.14 | Leander | I suppose it's https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
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| 09:29.33 | roo^y | i heard installing ubuntu14.04LTS (unless it was 16.04LTS) automatically put a swap partition on the HDD. Does devuan's installer offer/recommend using swap? |
| 09:30.14 | gnarface | it can, depending on the options you choose during installation |
| 09:30.20 | roo^y | i see |
| 09:30.29 | gnarface | it's basically the same installer as debian |
| 09:30.49 | gnarface | unless you use the live image.... that's got an installation feature but it has limited flexibility compared to the other installers |
| 09:32.18 | roo^y | thanks |
| 09:32.21 | roo^y | off topic, but your name reminds me of a youtube clip from a movie 'scarface quits his job' (rude language). It inspired a song by Illy, called Swear Jar (also bad language) |
| 09:32.56 | roo^y | well that's what the clip was called, not the movie's name |
| 09:33.29 | gnarface | hehe, i'll look it up, thanks |
| 09:33.36 | roo^y | :) great |
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| 09:50.03 | shnaps | Hi there. If anyone inerested, I managed to run live devuan iso |
| 09:52.55 | fsmithred | shnaps, if you're going to install from the desktop-live, take a look at the install guide: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/live-gui.html |
| 09:53.35 | shnaps | If it different comparing to other installs? |
| 09:53.58 | fsmithred | yes, it's not the debian-installer that everyone knows and loves |
| 09:54.06 | fsmithred | (or hates) |
| 09:54.55 | shnaps | Also, when I been running live, after it logged in, x11/xfce4 haven't started. And I started it manually |
| 09:55.12 | fsmithred | oh, that's odd |
| 09:55.37 | shnaps | Also, when I created new session, I got strange message that this was 6 session of user devuan created |
| 09:56.17 | shnaps | 6th* |
| 09:57.17 | shnaps | So I guess I'm gonna take a look at start log. Gonna google how to do it, not sure where to start |
| 09:58.34 | fsmithred | look in /var/log/syslog |
| 09:58.47 | fsmithred | run dmesg |
| 09:59.13 | fsmithred | also /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 10:01.08 | shnaps | Good call, thanks! Restarting again |
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| 10:17.49 | shnaps | Well, tried couple more times, they went normal. And even started xfce for me |
| 10:17.59 | shnaps | And logs are fine |
| 10:18.15 | shnaps | Not sure what problem I had 1 time |
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| 10:32.00 | gnarface | also check dmesg right after it fails maybe |
| 10:32.08 | gnarface | oh he said that |
| 10:32.22 | gnarface | yea, could be hardware related |
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| 10:58.57 | radulence84 | hello |
| 10:59.43 | gnarface | yo |
| 10:59.48 | gnarface | doh, too slow |
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| 11:44.30 | shnaps | So, I decided to take a brake for now. I got tired, lol |
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| 12:59.10 | heaven | break |
| 12:59.17 | heaven | :-) |
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| 13:15.36 | fsmithred | return 0 |
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| 17:11.21 | shnaps | heaven: whelp, sorry, I'm no a native speaker. Sometimes shit happens, lol |
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| 18:35.57 | msiism | does anyone happen to know if there is a current official website for the `pmount' utility? http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pmount seems to have vanished. |
| 18:39.23 | msiism | on second thoughts, it doesn't have to be `pmount' for me. i'm just looking for a relativey sane way of mounting removable media as a non-privileged user on the command-line. |
| 18:40.43 | KatolaZ | msiism: nice to see you here :) |
| 18:42.13 | KatolaZ | msiism: it looks like they have not moved the pmount repo to salsa.debian.org yet |
| 18:46.25 | msiism | KatolaZ: hello :). ok, i see. well, there is a git repo linked at ubuntu's launchpad. seems like that's the canonical location now. it's git://anonscm.debian.org/git/pmount/pmount.git. |
| 18:49.01 | msiism | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pmount even mentions "Problems while searching for a new upstream version". as it seems, it hasn't been fixed yet. |
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| 18:57.38 | KatolaZ | msiism: anonscm has been discontnued |
| 18:58.09 | msiism | KatolaZ: yes, i'm seeing it now. i'll ask in #debian. |
| 18:58.50 | KatolaZ | ok |
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| 19:06.24 | ErRandir | msiism: I add an entry in /etc/fstab as root which uses the option 'user'. After that a normal user can mount it |
| 19:09.36 | msiism | ErRandir: but that doesn't work well for randomly changing removable media, does it? |
| 19:11.24 | msiism | ok, well `pmounts' "current" upstream source is, of course, in the deb-src package... getting that. |
| 19:14.56 | KatolaZ | oh sure msiism |
| 19:15.03 | msiism | ErRandir: also, having to add an entry to fstab as root would kind of defeat the purpose of what i'm trying to do: allow non-privileged users to mount thngs. |
| 19:15.04 | KatolaZ | I thought you wanted the git repo |
| 19:15.19 | KatolaZ | msiism: with pmount that's quite straightforward |
| 19:15.31 | KatolaZ | just add the user to the plugdev group |
| 19:15.32 | msiism | KatolaZ: i mean, it's the one from 2010. yes, i actually wanted the git repo. but the latest stabel is fine for now. |
| 19:15.47 | msiism | stable* |
| 19:16.09 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 19:17.08 | msiism | i need to build it from source on another distro. |
| 19:19.49 | msiism | let's see how this goes... |
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| 19:54.19 | fsmithred | msiism, there's also udevil for mounting removable media |
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| 20:01.29 | msiism | fsmithred: right, i remeber that. however, i wonder if that is recommendable. debian's package description says "udevil mounts and unmounts removable devices and network shares without requiring a password (set suid)". |
| 20:04.06 | msiism | i think pmount doesn't do that. |
| 20:04.20 | msiism | setuid, i mean |
| 20:06.14 | fsmithred | not sure. pmount doesn't ask for a password, but you have to list the devices in /etc/pmount.allow |
| 20:07.01 | fsmithred | pmount will ask for passphrase for encrypted volumes |
| 20:07.34 | fsmithred | I have very little experience with udevil. I tried it once, and it works, but I've stuck with pmount. |
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| 20:09.44 | msiism | well pmount.allow isn't strictly needed, afaik. |
| 20:11.19 | msiism | right, it isn't (just checked the manual page) |
| 20:12.12 | msiism | unfortunately, pmount doesn't build on my other system. there's some variable definition error in one of it's source files. so, let's learn C then... |
| 20:12.27 | msiism | s/it's/its |
| 20:13.06 | fsmithred | oh, just internal drives need to be in pmount. I forgot about that. |
| 20:14.39 | fsmithred | You might not need to learn c to fix the error. Be hopeful. |
| 20:15.55 | fsmithred | how well do you trust the people who will use this? Enough to give them 'sudo mount'? |
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| 20:32.05 | msiism | hm... well it's only gonna be me who uses that feature. |
| 20:36.11 | msiism | still i was looking for a generally applicable solution. i believe pmount is that solution. it only needs a bit of works. well, it works on devuan already, at least. |
| 20:37.10 | fsmithred | I like pmount. I've used it in some scripts. (older versions of refracta2usb) |
| 20:38.17 | msiism | have you ever noticed pmount having problems (hanging) when you try to complete paths with tab? |
| 20:38.54 | fsmithred | no, but I haven't done it manually in a long time. |
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| 20:39.39 | ejr | is it possible to install npm in devuan ascii? when i try to, i get dependency conflicts. |
| 20:39.40 | fsmithred | in jessie, it's scripted and attached to a panel button. |
| 20:40.24 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, good idea. i don't have a pnael, however. but, for example, the xfe file manager can be configured to use pmount for mounting removable media. |
| 20:40.36 | fsmithred | ejr, what error messages? |
| 20:40.43 | fsmithred | msiism, so can spacefm |
| 20:41.03 | fsmithred | I use that when I'm running openbox. |
| 20:41.14 | ejr | fsmithred: a list of node-XXXXX programs of which the version does not fit |
| 20:41.24 | ejr | and: broken packages |
| 20:41.36 | msiism | fsmithred: oh, right, spacefm. need to look at that again. |
| 20:41.38 | fsmithred | can you paste your sources.list somewhere? |
| 20:41.49 | fsmithred | (not here, or you'll get auto-bounced) |
| 20:43.19 | msiism | i'm just realizing: pmount now also removes the mount point after unmounting the device. very neat. it seems like debian has applied a few patches. the verison jessie was 0.9.23-3+b2, in stretch, it's +b2. |
| 20:43.33 | ejr | https://pastebin.com/GaR99ByN |
| 20:43.38 | msiism | was +b1 in jessie, i mean |
| 20:45.16 | fsmithred | ejr, unless you picked up some conflicting libraries from videolan, I don't see a problem. |
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| 20:45.53 | fsmithred | do you know what you installed from there? |
| 20:46.00 | kekePower | hi folks |
| 20:46.10 | kekePower | wondering if you could give me a hand |
| 20:46.26 | ejr | i have vlc and vlc-nox installed afaik |
| 20:46.38 | kekePower | if you have mplayer installed, can you please run "mplayer -version"? |
| 20:46.41 | fsmithred | don't ask to ask, just ask. And stay logged in - your answer may come in minutes, hours or sometimes longer |
| 20:46.57 | ejr | here is the entire error message I get when trying to install npm: https://pastebin.com/fJ6SuAeV |
| 20:47.13 | ejr | mplayer: 1.3.0 |
| 20:47.32 | kekePower | ejr: thanks |
| 20:47.37 | kekePower | ejr: is that the whole line? |
| 20:48.04 | ejr | kekePower: no, I also get the error message about unknown option if that's what you are wondering about |
| 20:48.24 | kekePower | ejr: I know. Just the last line. |
| 20:49.21 | kekePower | I'm trying to debug mps-youtube when running mplayer built from svn |
| 20:49.39 | kekePower | "MPlayer SVN-2.r38122.1.intelsb.mga7.tainted-8.2.1 (C) 2000-2019 MPlayer Team" |
| 20:49.44 | fsmithred | ejr, you could try installing with 'aptitude install npm' and see if it gives you some better options. |
| 20:50.18 | fsmithred | OH! |
| 20:50.50 | fsmithred | it wants to install the ascii version of nodejs, but it's too old. Add ascii-backports to sources.list, update and... |
| 20:51.06 | ejr | kekePower: my mplayer is built with gcc-6.2.1 if that helps |
| 20:51.09 | fsmithred | apt-get -t ascii-backports install nodejs (and whatever else) |
| 20:51.12 | ejr | fsmithred:ok, will try,one sec |
| 20:51.30 | fsmithred | I guess you should take npm from backports, too |
| 20:51.37 | fsmithred | maybe just try that one first |
| 20:51.51 | fsmithred | it should pull whatever it needs from bpo |
| 20:54.22 | ejr | fsmithred: yes, that solved it, both nodejs and npm work now :) thanks! |
| 20:54.31 | fsmithred | :) |
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| 21:46.03 | shnaps | Okay guys, I need some help before I'll install devuan. Which init system to use? Sysv, openrc or runit? Not sure which of them I should choose |
| 21:47.22 | KatolaZ | shnaps: what have you used before? |
| 21:47.42 | shnaps | Well, systemd :/ |
| 21:48.17 | KatolaZ | then just start with sysv, maybe |
| 21:48.39 | shnaps | Is it fine for start? |
| 21:51.52 | shnaps | I been adviced to use openrc, actually. Couple friends of mine used it in gentoo. And when I asked them about it, they just told me "Just do it" |
| 21:53.58 | DonkeyHotei | openrc is the default on gentoo, which also offers systemd as an option instead |
| 21:57.36 | izh_ | Hi, if you install xdm and make it the default display manager: it will say "Welcome to Devuan" but shows the Debian logo on the rigth side :) |
| 21:57.59 | gnarface | hehe |
| 21:59.58 | izh_ | i suspect nowadays nobody except me is still using it |
| 22:01.43 | gnarface | actually i'm still using it |
| 22:02.08 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure it's a known issue, but if it's bugging you, the correct thing to do would be to log it at bugs.devuan.org... someone will get to it eventually |
| 22:03.00 | gnarface | (the word "Debian" and it's logo show up in a bunch of places still throughout the distro. they didn't really intend it to be rebranded like this) |
| 22:03.36 | gnarface | the places where that actually causes functionality problems should have all been fixed by now in ascii though, afaik |
| 22:03.49 | shnaps | DonkeyHotei: so, what should I do? Stick with sysv? |
| 22:05.41 | gnarface | shnaps: nobody wants to commit to a specific advised choice here, but i'll do it. yes, stick with sysv. especially because you don't know any better, and you know you don't know any better. that's the best reason to stick with the default. |
| 22:06.13 | shnaps | Good call, got it. Thanks! |
| 22:06.16 | izh_ | gnarface: it is not really bugging me because i see it maybe once in a month when i have to reboot my box... but i glad to see i'm not alone |
| 22:07.16 | gnarface | izh_: the stuff you really gotta watch out for is where certain tools like reportbug and debootstrap were hardcoded to accept a specific list of valid distro names which didn't include devuan |
| 22:07.33 | gnarface | izh_: like i said though, most of that type of stuff should be fixed already |
| 22:08.28 | gnarface | but if you ever had a problem getting debootstrap from debian to install devuan, that's why |
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| 23:56.32 | shnaps | Ho-ho-ho comrades! I'm with devuan now. Have no idea where to start configuring it. Does devuan have guide? |
| 23:57.27 | friendofafriend | shnaps: I'd probably start here. https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 23:57.48 | friendofafriend | And it's good to see another systemd refugee. |
| 23:58.07 | debdog | I'd start with the things I'd not agree with |
| 23:59.16 | James1138 | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiVvpDT04zgAhVI34MKHZicA5A4ChC3AggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwK0nluO_Nk4&usg=AOvVaw3apLiYiAvhgmak38Xvd4Qy |