| 00:00.26 | Xenguy | KatolaZ: Strange, pkgmaster performed like a champ this time: no errors... |
| 00:00.44 | Xenguy | I'll see if the previous errors are still in the (screen) buffer, sec... |
| 00:01.07 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: you need to apt-get update before apt-get upgrade |
| 00:01.12 | KatolaZ | (sorry to state the obvious) |
| 00:03.38 | Xenguy | That's the 2nd time you've mentioned that now, and I'm not sure why. I always update before uprgrading. What gives you the impression that I didn't? |
| 00:04.19 | Xenguy | Actually I think I tried both 'deb' and 'pkgmaster' a couple of times before mentioning it on IRC... |
| 00:04.42 | Xenguy | Anyhow, it worked, so w/e was going on at my end is now past tense. |
| 00:04.54 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 00:04.54 | Xenguy | Thanks for you help |
| 00:04.57 | KatolaZ | sorry for that Xenguy |
| 00:05.02 | Xenguy | Not at all |
| 00:05.08 | KatolaZ | and sorry for stating the obvious about apt-get update |
| 00:05.13 | Xenguy | hah, np |
| 00:05.13 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 00:05.40 | KatolaZ | I tried the same and did not see any error (on 6 different servers around the globe) |
| 00:05.49 | KatolaZ | neither on deb nor on pkgmaster |
| 00:06.05 | KatolaZ | that's why it looked strange |
| 00:06.19 | KatolaZ | also, there have not been any error on the mirrors lately |
| 00:06.28 | KatolaZ | anyway, glad to know that it works now :) |
| 00:06.46 | Xenguy | I could do it in my sleep (been running Debian'ish since 1999) ... |
| 00:07.47 | Xenguy | Well although I couldn't salvage the pkgmaster errors, the deb errors are in that paste, so something was going on, but I suppose I'll just chock it up to network anomolies, or something ; -) |
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| 00:10.00 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: maybe just a glitch due to the deb.DEBIAN.org mirror behind deb.devuan.org being updated? |
| 00:10.35 | KatolaZ | it was certainly there, I don't doubt that |
| 00:10.39 | Xenguy | Huh, you never know, but as network speculation, I'd say that's pretty good |
| 00:10.56 | KatolaZ | the problem is that deb.debian.org hits more than 200 mirrors around the globe |
| 00:11.14 | Xenguy | Hmm, not bad coverage |
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| 00:11.31 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: note: deb.DEBIAN.org ;) |
| 00:11.42 | KatolaZ | deb.DEVUAN.org hits aroun 15 :) |
| 00:11.43 | Xenguy | Gotcha |
| 00:12.08 | Xenguy | Understandable, but I'm sure the mirrors will grow with time |
| 00:12.27 | KatolaZ | well, they have grown a lot |
| 00:12.48 | KatolaZ | and we are getting more mirrors in far East Asia and Oceania as well ;) |
| 00:12.49 | Xenguy | And Debian has been around for ages, and was in on the ground floor |
| 00:12.57 | Xenguy | Yay |
| 00:13.02 | Xenguy | Good to hear |
| 00:13.42 | Xenguy | The more mirrors the better. I'd even say get an 'onion' address, just for good measure ; -) |
| 00:13.47 | KatolaZ | a few weeks ago I read a post (maybe on d1g) of somebody who was still "waiting to see if Devuan will stay around" |
| 00:13.58 | KatolaZ | I wonder what these people need to see in order to believe |
| 00:14.12 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: there is already an onion address |
| 00:14.23 | Xenguy | Bah, I despise that laissez-faire, non-commital, 'wait and see' mentality |
| 00:14.29 | watchcat | there are onion addresses for debian repos. |
| 00:14.32 | Xenguy | Super! |
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| 00:14.44 | KatolaZ | there is an onion address for the devuan repo as well |
| 00:14.46 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 00:14.50 | KatolaZ | devuanfwojg73k6r.onion |
| 00:14.52 | Xenguy | That's forward thinking, good one |
| 00:15.18 | watchcat | oops, i scrwwed that up, meant devuan. :P |
| 00:15.34 | Xenguy | OK, gotcha |
| 00:15.52 | Xenguy | steps outside for a puff... |
| 00:15.56 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: https://devuan.org/os/ |
| 00:16.03 | Xenguy | tx |
| 00:16.10 | KatolaZ | it's listed there ^^ |
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| 00:23.46 | Xenguy | You guys run a tight ship I'll say |
| 00:24.42 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: it's *us*, and you are included ;) |
| 00:24.59 | KatolaZ | as any other d1r |
| 00:25.13 | Xenguy | Thanks man, I wish I could help more, but I'm a lousy volunteer it turns out : -) |
| 00:25.42 | KatolaZ | doesn't matter |
| 00:25.56 | Xenguy | I can report bugs, if nothing else |
| 00:26.03 | KatolaZ | every single d1r is necessary for the success of Devuan :) |
| 00:26.23 | Xenguy | d1r, I like it |
| 00:26.26 | KatolaZ | time to sleep over here |
| 00:26.27 | Xenguy | agreed |
| 00:26.31 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 00:26.32 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 00:26.36 | Xenguy | OK, pleasant dreams |
| 00:27.21 | specing | How many devs are there for devuan? |
| 00:27.32 | Xenguy | Standard answer: too few |
| 00:27.37 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 00:27.43 | specing | as in how many "defected" from debian? I assume most still maintain stuff in debian? |
| 00:27.56 | gnarface | specing: https://devuan.org/os/team/ |
| 00:28.15 | gnarface | (too few) |
| 00:28.37 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: mirror status is available online anyway: |
| 00:28.43 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_status.html <- Xenguy |
| 00:28.54 | Xenguy | Word, thanks again KatolaZ |
| 00:28.58 | KatolaZ | that file is present also on deb.devuan.org/mirror_status.html |
| 00:29.08 | gnarface | awesome! we have mirror status now!~ |
| 00:29.16 | Xenguy | weeeeeeee |
| 00:29.20 | KatolaZ | gnarface: we have had it for a few months |
| 00:29.36 | gnarface | oh, well i'm excited |
| 00:29.36 | KatolaZ | (the public page, at least) |
| 00:29.42 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 00:29.53 | KatolaZ | maybe we haven't actually announced it |
| 00:31.01 | KatolaZ | it's actually up since the end of 2018 |
| 00:31.23 | KatolaZ | s/it's/it has been/ |
| 00:31.33 | KatolaZ | sleeping |
| 00:31.35 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 00:31.36 | KatolaZ | o/ |
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| 01:24.33 | Xenguy | gnarface: Hilarious descriptions on that staff page |
| 01:27.27 | gnarface | Xenguy: i didn't do it |
| 01:28.02 | Xenguy | Nevertheless, very enjoyable : -) |
| 01:28.23 | Xenguy | And you posted it, so thanks for that |
| 01:30.16 | golinux | Xenguy: I insisted on clever job descriptions |
| 01:30.28 | Xenguy | I love it |
| 01:30.51 | golinux | We are a whimsical bunch. |
| 01:31.10 | Xenguy | Just my thing ; -) |
| 01:31.11 | golinux | and have fun doing what we do |
| 01:31.31 | Xenguy | Whimsy is the whisky of humor |
| 01:31.37 | Xenguy | Who said that? |
| 01:31.50 | golinux | Have no idea but getting OT |
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| 01:32.00 | Xenguy | I think I said it |
| 01:32.11 | Xenguy | "Be that as it may" |
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| 16:31.16 | system16 | i got to try the rsync command |
| 16:31.50 | system16 | rsync -av /home/userpub /home/userpub/sdb2/backup |
| 16:32.08 | system16 | all i need to do is to put this in a "cron" (?) . |
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| 16:33.01 | system16 | now that the command is running , i noticed that the cpu usage is high. this server runs pi-hole. and i want to make pi hole top priority no matter what. |
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| 16:34.49 | system16 | or alternatively make the rsync process the lowest priority |
| 16:37.01 | system16 | to not impact the pihole and its speed |
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| 19:36.30 | Akuli | why is libsystemd0 installed on my devuan system? |
| 19:38.58 | debdog | aptitude why libsystemd0 |
| 19:39.12 | Akuli | xvfb |
| 19:39.25 | Akuli | lol why does such an innocent-seeming thing depend on libsystemd :( |
| 19:40.22 | Akuli | hmm now i removed xvfb and aptitude says that vlc depends on libsystemd0 |
| 19:40.22 | debdog | here it's openvpn. and I have no clue either. just like cancer |
| 19:41.28 | Akuli | if i try to remove it with apt, it would also remove my mate desktop environment, cups, my web browser, gimp, ffmpeg, some xorg video drivers, ??? |
| 19:41.31 | Akuli | this is wut |
| 19:42.25 | golinux | Akuli: this has been explained over and over |
| 19:42.34 | debdog | that's prolly because they all have been installed by (a) meta-package(s) |
| 19:42.39 | Akuli | is there a thing i can read somewhere then? |
| 19:42.56 | Akuli | i wouldn't want to annoy people by making them explain something like that again |
| 19:43.13 | golinux | There is a sticky post under "Devuan" on the forum |
| 19:43.39 | golinux | And you could also search the DNG archives |
| 19:43.42 | xinomilo | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 |
| 19:43.46 | Akuli | nice thanks :) |
| 19:44.11 | golinux | xinomilo to the rescus! |
| 19:44.18 | golinux | rescue |
| 19:44.35 | Akuli | libsystemd0 is used by some daemons to verify if systemd is running or not." :D |
| 19:45.31 | golinux | I am hoping that we will soon have a search page come up on the forum before anyone tries to post. |
| 19:45.39 | golinux | Need that here too |
| 19:46.13 | specing | No libsystemd0 on my Gentoo system[s] |
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| 19:47.31 | golinux | If we had more hands on deck we could remove all those offending files. |
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| 19:59.35 | Centurion_Dan | golinux: that's a pointless exercise - like playing whack-a-mole |
| 20:00.21 | Centurion_Dan | specing: we will soon have libelogind as a drop in abi compatible replacement for libsystemd0 |
| 20:16.18 | KatolaZ | debdog: it has nothing to do with meta-packages |
| 20:16.29 | KatolaZ | those packages have genuine deps on libsystemd0 |
| 20:16.41 | KatolaZ | and still, this is not at all a problem |
| 20:16.59 | KatolaZ | since libystemd0 does anythin only if systemd is actually running |
| 20:18.18 | MinceR | allegedly |
| 20:18.19 | furrywolf | we really should replace it with a library that just returns 0 for every function call. |
| 20:18.40 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: you are welcome |
| 20:18.52 | KatolaZ | libelogind does more or less that |
| 20:19.27 | MinceR | nosystem does that |
| 20:19.37 | MinceR | but i don't think it was packaged for devuan yet |
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| 22:38.06 | icarious | Does Devuan uses consolekit2 or elogind by default? |
| 22:40.10 | golinux | icarious: It depends on the DE and login manager, Please read the Release Notes |
| 22:40.36 | icarious | golinux: ok |
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| 22:58.44 | parazyd | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Devuan-Conference-2019 |
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| 23:05.20 | golinux | parazyd: And moronic lives up to it's reputation. |
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