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| 05:22.02 | gour | is doing (last) backup before installing devuan on the desktop |
| 05:35.01 | gour | ok, see you later, hopefully, from devuan |
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| 07:23.59 | gour | morning |
| 07:24.06 | gour | hello from the devuan desktop! |
| 07:24.50 | gour | after install, reboot went fine, but after upgrading to ceres, grub fails to install on my mbr |
| 07:25.58 | gour | (after i was installing latest kernel) |
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| 07:38.24 | gour | here is the error: https://pastebin.com/bMnKa495 |
| 07:45.38 | detha | gg chome. "[27860:27860:0411/093849.052497:ERROR:browser_dm_token_storage_linux.cc(93)] Error: /etc/machine-id contains 32 characters (32 were expected)." |
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| 07:49.03 | gour | well, grub-install reports error, but machine still does boot |
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| 08:32.52 | Evilham | gour: I was gonna say open a bug report.... But BTS is doen :-D should be fixed, remember that will you? |
| 08:33.28 | gour | Evilham: ok, will do |
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| 08:36.23 | Centurion_Dan | the bts system is not down... more likely an issue with report bug... iirc it will not accept http reports, only via smtp. |
| 08:38.47 | gour | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.02 | xinomilo | root:root in /etc |
| 08:48.39 | xinomilo | clamav:clamav for /var/lib/clamav |
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| 09:04.59 | gour | xinomilo: but freshclam.conf in /etc is clamav:clamav? |
| 09:07.50 | xinomilo | clamav:adm |
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| 11:22.15 | gour | xinomilo: ok, thank you. claws' plugin works now |
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| 11:34.19 | tuxd3v | Good morning freedom lovers |
| 11:42.39 | tuxd3v | gour: o/ |
| 11:42.50 | tuxd3v | how are you going? |
| 11:43.47 | debdog | ...like an egyption (SCNR) |
| 11:43.53 | debdog | *ian |
| 11:49.24 | gour | tuxd3v: pretty good. restoring stuff from my backup, installing missing pkgs... |
| 11:50.08 | tuxd3v | gour: Nice to hear that things are going well ;) |
| 11:53.27 | gour | tuxd3v: thunar's automount works well and that's how i decided to leave systemd-OS :-) |
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| 11:55.21 | tuxd3v | gour: yes indeed, I am glad you are succeding |
| 11:55.47 | tuxd3v | at beguining you feel yourself almost between 2 choices that you have to make.. |
| 11:55.58 | tuxd3v | then you realise the freedom you get back.. |
| 11:56.04 | tuxd3v | very nice! :) |
| 11:56.18 | surrounder | freeeeedoooooom! |
| 11:56.49 | gour | tuxd3v: i'm using linux since '99 and never felt well with systemd...just prior of arch's moving to systemd i left it |
| 11:57.11 | gour | however, dunno why i haven't installed devuan earlier :-( |
| 11:57.39 | gour | was trying with free/pcbsd for some time, but had to leave few times... |
| 11:58.39 | tuxd3v | gour: I understand you, because changing a system is not a easy task, when you tweak any part of it, and you control your system.. |
| 11:59.04 | tuxd3v | I think its a gradual change, until the point that you really feel the need to switch |
| 11:59.32 | tuxd3v | I think its almost the same with everybody out there |
| 12:00.04 | tuxd3v | I felt myself relieved after changing from Debian to Devuan |
| 12:00.34 | tuxd3v | systemd is also not my thing.. |
| 12:00.48 | gour | i also spent some time using gnome, although xfce was always my primary choice...didn't try KDE since 0.9x and then with opensuse tried Plasma for a few days only :-) |
| 12:01.36 | surrounder | gour: never was a KDE fan either but I really have to admit, they did a great job with plasma 5 - it's memory usage is compareble to xfce these days |
| 12:01.41 | gour | in general, i appreciate simplicity as value in my life and systemd is just the opposite...something like pushing JS-crap on the desktop |
| 12:02.21 | gour | surrounder: i agree, but i'm using (neo/g)vim gnucash, claws...not much qt apps |
| 12:02.29 | tuxd3v | gour: You right, its the same for me |
| 12:02.40 | surrounder | gour: same here, hardly any GUI apps at all in fact |
| 12:02.46 | surrounder | but they really did a great job |
| 12:03.00 | gour | sunshavi: i also like xfce's configurability...yeah, KDE is doing nice things |
| 12:03.23 | tuxd3v | surrounder: I never saw a kde release above kde2, using low resources of memory |
| 12:03.48 | surrounder | tuxd3v: plasma 5.x really does, +/- 300 MB on my last install |
| 12:04.01 | surrounder | comparable with xfce on the same hardware |
| 12:04.44 | tuxd3v | sorrounder: My Desktop is xfce and around ~200MB Ram |
| 12:05.15 | surrounder | nice :) |
| 12:05.18 | tuxd3v | and this because I have some extra plugins |
| 12:05.22 | surrounder | xfce is lovely |
| 12:07.06 | tuxd3v | you need to choose your applications /plugins and so |
| 12:07.34 | tuxd3v | it will depend ofcourse from user to user, has anyone has its preferences.. |
| 12:07.59 | tuxd3v | Maybe out there are someone using some ~180MB Ram |
| 12:08.18 | tuxd3v | but I feel that around 200 is a nice start |
| 12:08.43 | tuxd3v | also I don't use thunderbird |
| 12:08.49 | tuxd3v | has email client |
| 12:09.07 | tuxd3v | I use sylpheed |
| 12:09.19 | surrounder | neither, only graphical applications I use are firefox, geeqie and sometimes thunar ( usually terminal + mc though ) |
| 12:09.36 | tuxd3v | which is text based only no html, emails, so its a tradeof |
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| 12:11.35 | surrounder | tuxd3v: html in email is horrible anyhow |
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| 12:12.15 | gour | if i'd be the only user of my machine, then probably i could go along with i3, but considering that other family members occasionaly have a need for some browsing etc., then xfce is more adequate |
| 12:15.29 | tuxd3v | gour: I Agree xfce is more classic Desktop, any person can use its tools |
| 12:16.07 | tuxd3v | surrounder: How do you compare geeqie with Ristretto ? |
| 12:16.17 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.24 | surrounder | heh, I don't know Ristretto :) |
| 12:16.26 | tuxd3v | er, geeqie |
| 12:24.08 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.21 | tuxd3v | don't know about its memory usage |
| 12:24.47 | surrounder | not shocking |
| 12:25.08 | gour | i'm trying with my nano-usb wifi adapter in case when something might be problemtic with ethernet, the dongle is realtek-based chipset using rtl8192 fw, but it cannot connect - i'm getting âaborting authentication by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)" and found some posts (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/386925/aborting-authentication-by-local-choice-reason-3-deauth-leaving-when-trying) saying the problem might be long interface names - i |
| 12:25.09 | gour | n my case wlx00e04c819215, so do you have any recommendation how to properly fix it? |
| 12:32.01 | gour | i'm trying with my nano-usb wifi adapter in case when something might be problemtic with ethernet, the dongle is realtek-based chipset using rtl8192 fw, but it cannot connect - i'm getting âaborting authentication by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)" and found some posts (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/386925/aborting-authentication-by-local-choice-reason-3-deauth-leaving-when-trying) saying the problem might be long interface names - i |
| 12:32.01 | gour | n my case wlx00e04c819215, so do you have any recommendation how to properly fix it? |
| 12:33.44 | tuxd3v | gour: the simple way would be to disable eudev persistent names |
| 12:33.59 | tuxd3v | only to verify |
| 12:34.09 | tuxd3v | the thing we have done yesterday |
| 12:34.39 | tuxd3v | disabling the dell persistent attempt for names used in systemd and also the eudev persistent names |
| 12:34.57 | tuxd3v | in that way you could test it if everything is working or not |
| 12:34.58 | gour | aha, net.ifnames=0 ? |
| 12:35.12 | tuxd3v | both equal to zero |
| 12:35.39 | gour | ok, have to do some household tasks, then i'll try and report back |
| 12:35.49 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.26 | tuxd3v | only to check, and then enabling only eudev persistent one |
| 12:36.29 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:36.46 | tuxd3v | andcreating a eudev rule for it, so that it will have a small name |
| 12:37.13 | gour | ok, eudev is completely new stuff for me, would have to do some reading |
| 12:37.33 | tuxd3v | no problem |
| 12:38.29 | tuxd3v | if you need help on that we can try to help :) |
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| 13:46.30 | tuxd3v | Is there any rules to add a new package to Devuan? |
| 13:46.46 | tuxd3v | what are the pre-requisites |
| 13:47.07 | tuxd3v | I am thinking in adding libtekui |
| 13:48.17 | tuxd3v | http://tekui.neoscientists.org/screenshots.html |
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| 13:48.42 | tuxd3v | its a library to create graphical stuff |
| 13:48.51 | tuxd3v | its very nice and powerfull |
| 13:49.11 | tuxd3v | debian doesn't have it |
| 13:49.18 | tuxd3v | devuan neither |
| 13:53.56 | buZz | tuxd3v: seems pretty abandoned? |
| 13:54.01 | buZz | no dev for almost 5 years |
| 13:54.32 | buZz | oh, bit more on their repo, still not a lot |
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| 14:24.24 | detha | that is generally a good sign - stable library, with no feature creep |
| 14:40.16 | buZz | or no users ;) |
| 14:44.51 | tuxd3v | no tekUi has a iatus of about 4 ~5 years between releases |
| 14:45.36 | tuxd3v | its a very stable and powerfull framwork, |
| 14:45.39 | tuxd3v | very small |
| 14:45.42 | tuxd3v | and complete |
| 14:45.57 | tuxd3v | also, no dependencies |
| 14:45.58 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 14:46.03 | tuxd3v | which is very nice |
| 14:46.34 | tuxd3v | it was released a snapshot at request this year |
| 14:46.54 | tuxd3v | http://tekui.neoscientists.org/releases/ |
| 14:47.01 | tuxd3v | its the first one |
| 14:47.18 | tuxd3v | in the list |
| 14:47.43 | tuxd3v | its the counterpart for Lua, or C aplications, or C++ |
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| 14:48.00 | tuxd3v | you can use it even with Pallene, or terra language |
| 14:49.00 | topro | hi there. I'm considering hosting a devuan mirror. is there some documentation on how to this the devuan way (I assume apt-mirror is not the way its meant to be)? |
| 14:49.02 | tuxd3v | maybe even with Python, but here, I don't really know |
| 14:50.37 | tuxd3v | so lots of opportunity's for a lot of people out there( me included ), if they want to use it.. |
| 14:50.44 | tuxd3v | small footprint |
| 14:51.01 | tuxd3v | I was thinking in packaging it |
| 14:51.28 | tuxd3v | but don't really know, about the requirments to add it do devuan repos |
| 14:51.32 | tuxd3v | as a mantainer |
| 14:51.40 | tuxd3v | has a package mantainer |
| 14:52.47 | tuxd3v | freedom of choice |
| 14:52.52 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 14:53.31 | tuxd3v | <detha>, exactly, the framewaork is writen in ANSIC |
| 14:53.58 | tuxd3v | Lua tools are very rigid in the way you program |
| 14:54.19 | tuxd3v | you can even compile it for microcontrollers, with some efort |
| 14:54.41 | tuxd3v | any ANSIC compiler should be able to work eith it.. |
| 14:54.50 | tuxd3v | er, eith -> with |
| 14:55.20 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, there's no solid procedure in place for getting a package into devuan repos |
| 14:55.41 | fsmithred | if you can clone a git repo to get the source, such that you get their full history, that's a good start |
| 14:55.58 | fsmithred | package it and let people know it's available |
| 14:56.13 | fsmithred | if there's enough interest and devs think it should be in the repo, it can get in |
| 14:57.50 | xinomilo | topro, package mirror: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt |
| 14:57.56 | xinomilo | release mirror : https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt |
| 14:58.11 | tuxd3v | fsmithred: thanks for your response |
| 14:58.15 | fsmithred | yw |
| 14:58.35 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, ok, I will do that :) |
| 14:58.50 | tuxd3v | fsmithred: then I will let you know about it |
| 14:58.52 | fsmithred | one thing that's important is that you maintain it |
| 14:58.54 | fsmithred | over time |
| 14:59.06 | fsmithred | one-shot deals are not really helpful |
| 14:59.37 | tuxd3v | yes I understand that |
| 14:59.41 | fsmithred | cool |
| 15:00.11 | fsmithred | just had to say that 'cause some people come here and think we have a huge team of devs |
| 15:00.54 | tuxd3v | I understand |
| 15:01.18 | tuxd3v | And devuan using it, will help people working with it, to come to devuan too |
| 15:01.33 | tuxd3v | its a differentiation factor |
| 15:01.35 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 15:01.45 | gour | in the past i did submit few ebuilds for gentoo, pkgbuilds for arch, some tempaltes for voidlinux and created few rpms, but newer learned/mastered creating of *.deb packages. does devuan make it (possibly) easier to learn the art? |
| 15:02.37 | nemo | shoot. I was really hoping the MATE backport would have fixed power management, but no such luck â¹ |
| 15:02.54 | fsmithred | gour, not really. There's d1h, which is a front-end for building from git, which helps a little |
| 15:03.11 | fsmithred | but debian packaging is somewhat complicated |
| 15:03.36 | fsmithred | I certainly haven't mastered it |
| 15:03.52 | fsmithred | yet I do maintain a few packages |
| 15:04.10 | gour | ok. if stay with devuan - and there is no reason not to - then it's maybe a time to learn a bit |
| 15:04.29 | fsmithred | if you just want to package something for yourself (like maybe to backport a newer version of something)... |
| 15:04.34 | fsmithred | it can be pretty easy |
| 15:04.42 | gour | i see |
| 15:04.44 | fsmithred | depending on what the package is |
| 15:05.48 | fsmithred | it's also possible that I just think packaging is complicated because the debian documentation is complicated |
| 15:06.00 | fsmithred | (i.e. sucks in some ways) |
| 15:06.15 | topro | xinomilo: thanks a lot! |
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| 15:06.45 | xinomilo | nemo, only ascii package mate-power-manager from antofox repo works. |
| 15:07.15 | fsmithred | be back in 10 min. |
| 15:08.32 | xinomilo | look for version 1.20.0-1+hezeh1 |
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| 15:30.50 | nemo | xinomilo: oh. neat. thanks for suggestion |
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| 16:14.14 | nemo | xinomilo: will there be any problems with the fact that I installed -t stable-backports mate ? |
| 16:14.35 | nemo | (hoping to finally fix battery state/suspend etc) |
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| 16:41.53 | xinomilo | no problem |
| 16:42.03 | xinomilo | using same version in beowulf/ceres |
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| 17:06.48 | nemo | xinomilo: do you mind sharing the repo link? having a hard time locating it |
| 17:06.57 | nemo | when searching for "antofox repo" |
| 17:08.08 | xinomilo | try: deb http://www.hezeh.org/packages/ ascii main contrib non-free |
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| 17:29.48 | gour | i'm trying to start e.g. taskd server for taskwarrior and get: Starting taskwarrior sync server: taskd/etc/init.d/taskd: 26: /etc/init.d/taskd: start-stop-daemon: not found |
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| 17:29.57 | gour | what's wrong? |
| 17:32.16 | gnarface | tjere |
| 17:32.19 | gnarface | *there's |
| 17:32.26 | gour | the service script does: . /lib/lsb/init-functions and the functions are there? |
| 17:32.28 | gnarface | a bunch of shell script functions in some package you're missing |
| 17:32.33 | gnarface | yea probably |
| 17:32.49 | gnarface | start-stop-daemon is just a shell function |
| 17:33.01 | gnarface | there's a few of them, without them most the stock init scripts won't work |
| 17:33.09 | gnarface | i'm surprised your system even booted |
| 17:33.36 | gnarface | how you could be missing this is an important question |
| 17:33.48 | furrywolf | broken dpkg install? |
| 17:34.06 | gour | gnarface: here is the part of the script: https://pastebin.com/yDjQRxki |
| 17:34.20 | gour | and i've /lib/lsb/init-functions, what's wrong? |
| 17:34.25 | furrywolf | /sbin not in path? not running as root? |
| 17:34.58 | gnarface | oh i'm wrong |
| 17:35.04 | gnarface | actually it looks like start-stop-daemon is a binary now |
| 17:35.08 | gnarface | it should be in /sbin |
| 17:35.34 | gnarface | and yea it should be in the dpkg package |
| 17:37.26 | furrywolf | did they remove it since systemd now does that too, and you have debian's package or something? |
| 17:37.41 | gnarface | gour: was that a ceres install? i forget |
| 17:39.29 | gnarface | if it was ceres, it would not be unheard of for vandalism to have occurred |
| 17:41.04 | furrywolf | add a line to the script to echo $PATH and ls -l /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 17:42.48 | furrywolf | bbl, time to do morning things |
| 17:54.24 | gour | gnarface: yes, ceres |
| 17:56.23 | gour | yes, /usr/sbin is nor in the $PATH, start-stop-daemon is in /sbin |
| 17:58.22 | gnarface | gour: /usr/sbin and /sbin should both be in root's path |
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| 19:13.19 | furrywolf | I don't know what path gets sent to init scripts |
| 19:13.42 | furrywolf | checking a couple ones on my box, they seem to set the path themselves. |
| 19:13.43 | furrywolf | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 19:13.49 | furrywolf | (from /etc/init.d/cups) |
| 19:14.03 | furrywolf | I'd suggest pasting that into the script and calling it good. :) |
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| 19:31.06 | gour | gnarface: that (adding PATH line into the script) helped |
| 19:34.04 | furrywolf | ... address you for my suggestion, then leave without saying thanks? that's how to make sure I help the next person who comes along! |
| 19:39.06 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 19:39.21 | gnarface | that was a little weird but i don't think you're the one who was being tested there |
| 19:39.28 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 19:47.24 | gour | i'm experiencing some instability with slim - when i logout from xfce and want to xfce, it seems it does not like it, iow. it's not possible to re-login. tried to restart it from console, but no luck, so wonder what are your experiences with it and/or whether some other manager like lightdm would be better option? |
| 19:49.57 | gnarface | i like xdm |
| 19:50.29 | gnarface | i'm not sure it's a problem with slim though |
| 19:51.04 | gnarface | the release notes for ascii mention that slim needs consolekit, which is mutually exclusive with elogind, but both may get installed and sabotage each other and the login manager |
| 19:51.18 | gnarface | for ceres, i don't even know for sure if the patch to make that much works |
| 19:51.56 | gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 19:54.22 | gour | gnarface: does it mean it would be better to use Beowulf then? |
| 19:58.37 | ashleyk | ugh |
| 19:58.45 | gnarface | gour: no |
| 19:58.56 | ashleyk | i plug in ethernet, and it is up and transmitting / recieving packets, and dhclient is running, but it never gets an ip |
| 19:59.07 | ashleyk | works if its plugged in at boot... |
| 19:59.16 | gnarface | gour: it means it would be better to make sure that you've tested my first assertion so i can give you further advice |
| 19:59.37 | buZz | ashleyk: maybe it already had a connection over wifi so doesnt make a new one over ethernet? |
| 19:59.37 | gnarface | gour: (note, i don't know if you tested that assertion because you didn't respond about it) |
| 19:59.52 | gour | gnarface: interface names? |
| 20:00.11 | ashleyk | buZz, i want it to use ethernet |
| 20:00.19 | gnarface | gour: no. make sure you have consolekit installed, and make sure you do not have elogind installed. |
| 20:00.39 | buZz | ashleyk: i was trying to imagine a situation that could describe what you're seeing |
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| 20:00.59 | ashleyk | yes, it has a wireless connection |
| 20:01.04 | ashleyk | but i dont want to have to reboot to get an ethernet ip |
| 20:01.06 | gour | gnarface: both are installed |
| 20:01.14 | buZz | disable the wireless connection then? |
| 20:01.17 | gnarface | ashleyk: you should just be able to restart the dhcp client |
| 20:01.32 | ashleyk | these are unattended devices |
| 20:01.32 | buZz | ashleyk: ifdown wlan0; ifup eth0? :P |
| 20:01.40 | ashleyk | i need it to be predictable |
| 20:01.47 | buZz | ashleyk: well you'd attend them first to configure them to work how you want |
| 20:02.13 | buZz | you can configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces anyway, you could disable the wireless one there |
| 20:02.20 | gnarface | gour: do you really need me to tell you to uninstall elogind? i don't know if that will fix it i just know that it's known not to work in ascii if both are installed. https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 20:02.27 | buZz | unless you're using some other wifi manager |
| 20:02.50 | gour | gnarface: elogind is required for NM, so it looks i should (maybe) try with wicd instead? |
| 20:02.54 | ashleyk | so im trying to get it to get an ethernet ip when i plug in the ethernet |
| 20:03.07 | ashleyk | instead of just transmitting and recieving packets but never getting an ip...i dont knwo what its sending |
| 20:03.25 | gnarface | gour: either that, or try a login manager that works with elogind (they are listed in the release notes i just linked) |
| 20:03.44 | ashleyk | wait, it got an ethernet ip, it just took MINUTES |
| 20:03.47 | ashleyk | weird |
| 20:03.47 | gnarface | gour: but then you'd have to uninstall consolekit |
| 20:04.21 | gour | gnarface: ok, so many things at once while i'm trying to reconsolidate after migration :-) |
| 20:04.50 | gnarface | gour: you don't actually need the login manager at all. that's only if you want a fancy graphical prompt. |
| 20:05.50 | ashleyk | ideally i could set it to disable the wireless when the ethernet is plugged in, and enable it when its unplugged |
| 20:06.25 | ashleyk | but that seems even more unpredictable and requires using Lennart Poettering unpredictable code |
| 20:06.31 | ashleyk | ifplugd |
| 20:06.47 | ashleyk | adds 3 minutes to boot time also |
| 20:07.09 | gnarface | it shouldn't be doing that |
| 20:07.10 | ashleyk | in my case thats 3 minutes of a completely black screen heh |
| 20:07.34 | gnarface | could be a problem with your dns or dhcp servers |
| 20:08.11 | ashleyk | ifplugd adds 3 minutes to boot time in all cases |
| 20:08.30 | ashleyk | ending with things being killed due to timeouts |
| 20:08.53 | ashleyk | anyway, i guess this will work with wireless metric 200, and ethernet metric 100 |
| 20:10.59 | gour | for now, we've made taskwarrior working/syncing... |
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| 20:27.57 | Evilham | gour (#): how do you host your own tw server? |
| 20:28.00 | Evilham | I haven't gotten around to doing that |
| 20:28.20 | Evilham | (I didn't mean to ask "how do you" but "do you") |
| 20:28.55 | tuxd3v | gour:"elogind is required for NM, so it looks i should (maybe) try with wicd instead?" |
| 20:29.00 | tuxd3v | yeah you should :) |
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| 21:16.19 | fsmithred | ashleyk, there's a patch for /etc/init.d/networking that might help. See this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15493#p15493 |
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| 21:18.20 | ashleyk | fsmithred, thanks |
| 21:19.40 | ashleyk | i had to blindly guess every combination to find something that "works" |
| 21:19.50 | ashleyk | i also was confused when wlan0 wouldnt come up at boot |
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| 21:22.43 | tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, I don't hanny boot problems here |
| 21:22.55 | gnarface | something is still wrong with your setup ashleyk |
| 21:23.02 | gnarface | is your /etc/hosts unpopulated or something? |
| 21:23.23 | gnarface | another thing that can trigger hangs at boot is failing to have localhost defined there |
| 21:23.25 | ashleyk | no, everything is stock |
| 21:23.44 | gnarface | make sure you have this line in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhost |
| 21:23.52 | tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, it could be related with Persisnt Names features?? |
| 21:24.03 | tuxd3v | we saw that yesterday, for 2 times.. |
| 21:24.04 | ashleyk | tuxd3v, no |
| 21:25.17 | gnarface | i have seen long dhcp hangs caused by a slow/misbehaved wifi router's dhcp features, but it's just as often turned out to be a fundamental problem with dns combined with /etc/hosts missing the proper fallback info (which might be the case even in a stock install, depending on the choices you made) |
| 21:25.26 | ashleyk | https://pastebin.com/raw/rCQVygxY |
| 21:25.31 | gnarface | *far more often, i should say |
| 21:26.14 | ashleyk | yeah i changed the lease time from 1 minute to 2880 minutes and at least the wifi doesnt get a new ip every minute, didnt see if ethernet gets one faster than earlier |
| 21:27.29 | gnarface | this line might be redundant: iface default inet dhcp |
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| 21:27.53 | gnarface | could be causing eth0 to try to get dhcp twice in a row, i dunno |
| 21:28.14 | ashleyk | thats there for wireless |
| 21:28.30 | gnarface | how come you have 3 lines for wireless then? |
| 21:28.34 | tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, I am testing something for you |
| 21:28.37 | tuxd3v | hold on |
| 21:28.51 | gnarface | unless you have 3 wifi devices, that shouldn't be the case |
| 21:31.22 | ashleyk | it could be redundant i guess... |
| 21:32.40 | gnarface | look, maybe it's harmless, but when you have problems nobody else is having, we have to start with examining the things you're doing that nobody else is doing. |
| 21:33.34 | ashleyk | what problem is that |
| 21:33.56 | gnarface | there's no way in hell a 3 minute boot time is normal |
| 21:34.02 | gnarface | that's just not how this works |
| 21:34.15 | ashleyk | that only happens with ifplugd installed |
| 21:34.21 | ashleyk | try it yourself |
| 21:34.31 | ashleyk | install it, do dpkg-reconfigure ifplug |
| 21:34.37 | gnarface | you should be looking at more like 15 seconds. |
| 21:34.38 | ashleyk | leave the first one blank, and put eth0 in the second |
| 21:34.49 | ashleyk | it does this on multiple distros |
| 21:35.01 | ashleyk | its because lennart coded it |
| 21:35.58 | gnarface | i'm not going to install ifplugd, i don't know what it is and i doubt you actually need it. i think your diagnosis of the problem misses the mark in an important key way, but i'm not going to argue with you if you're satisfied with your own answer |
| 21:36.59 | ashleyk | it is supposed to help with only one interface being active at a time |
| 21:37.47 | ashleyk | so if you have a wireless dongle, you can plug it in, but it wont activate unless eth0 is unplugged, likewise plugging in eth0 disabled the dongle |
| 21:37.52 | ashleyk | but now i have onboard eth0 and wlan0 |
| 21:38.12 | ashleyk | i was trying to still have only one interface active at a time, in this case, you plug in eth0 and it would disable the wifi |
| 21:38.34 | ashleyk | but its not so easy to get it to work properly across boots and across all combinations of possibilities |
| 21:38.46 | ashleyk | so i will have to settle for using metrics |
| 21:39.20 | gnarface | did you remove "quiet" from your kernel command-line arguments so you could see what it's actually hanging on instead of just guessing while looking at a black screen? |
| 21:39.42 | ashleyk | no, but i already know, having used ifplugd before :P |
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| 21:39.54 | ashleyk | as soon as you enable it, boot times go up |
| 21:39.58 | ashleyk | 3 minutes+ |
| 21:40.17 | ashleyk | its really a piece of shit |
| 21:40.33 | gnarface | i still think your configuration is missing something important |
| 21:40.42 | gnarface | it probably does not have to take 3 minutes |
| 21:41.00 | gnarface | even lennart would lose patience |
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| 21:41.52 | tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, I can only confirm partially |
| 21:42.12 | tuxd3v | edit /etc/default/grub |
| 21:42.36 | tuxd3v | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0" |
| 21:42.42 | tuxd3v | update-grub |
| 21:42.48 | tuxd3v | then reboot |
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| 21:43.07 | tuxd3v | on reboot, with ifconfig loopback deasn't apear |
| 21:43.17 | tuxd3v | so to show interfaces |
| 21:43.23 | tuxd3v | ip link show |
| 21:43.30 | tuxd3v | see the names of the interfaces |
| 21:43.52 | tuxd3v | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:44.01 | tuxd3v | # The primary network interface |
| 21:44.01 | tuxd3v | allow-hotplug enp1s0 |
| 21:44.01 | tuxd3v | iface enp1s0 inet dhcp0 |
| 21:44.17 | tuxd3v | if enp1s0, its your network card dev name |
| 21:44.24 | tuxd3v | then conect |
| 21:44.37 | tuxd3v | I tested with wired ethernet and with WIFI |
| 21:44.43 | ashleyk | gnarface, im sure he abandoned it and never confirmed there was any issue with it |
| 21:44.43 | tuxd3v | using WPA2 |
| 21:45.32 | ashleyk | anyway im not using ifplugd |
| 21:45.57 | ashleyk | everything works, it just takes eth0 a couple minutes to get an ip if i plug eth0 in AFTER booting |
| 21:45.59 | tuxd3v | BUT, no Hangs on REBOOT |
| 21:46.06 | ashleyk | takes almost long enough that you think it isnt working |
| 21:46.08 | tuxd3v | blazing fast to start |
| 21:46.17 | tuxd3v | or to boot up |
| 21:46.55 | ashleyk | i have to figure out how to remove quiet mode from rk3399 boot |
| 21:47.03 | ashleyk | just to have it |
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| 21:47.12 | tuxd3v | Whait that is another problem that you are reporting |
| 21:47.25 | ashleyk | its not a problem |
| 21:47.34 | ashleyk | i just didnt modify kernel params |
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| 21:48.18 | tuxd3v | I have both Ethernet and WIFI working |
| 21:48.29 | tuxd3v | no problems no hanging on REBOOT or BOOT |
| 21:49.11 | ashleyk | ooh, i can make a boot animation instead of just a logo |
| 21:49.13 | ashleyk | :D |
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| 22:16.51 | xrogaan | I don't understand what is happening in the ML right now. |
| 22:18.07 | Hurgotron | not reading it. What does it look like? |
| 22:18.14 | xrogaan | shitstorm |
| 22:18.40 | Hurgotron | :( |
| 22:18.43 | gnarface | i should really be on the mailing list just to make sure nobody is impersonating me on there |
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| 22:20.43 | gnarface | xrogaan: is there a link to an archive of the discussion? |
| 22:20.56 | xrogaan | the web interface is really crappy |
| 22:21.24 | xrogaan | I handpicked relevant mails: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.081922.f40c32e9.en.html |
| 22:21.26 | xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.183703.8a9a07ef.en.html |
| 22:21.31 | xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.213853.5d38535f.en.html |
| 22:21.35 | xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.215224.dad23534.en.html |
| 22:22.16 | fsmithred | gnarface, if anyone impersonates you, I will be sure to alert you, and we can arrange to have their asses duly kicked. |
| 22:22.31 | gnarface | thank you, fsmithred |
| 22:22.52 | fsmithred | we will accept no substitutes |
| 22:24.21 | ashleyk | are these even real messages |
| 22:24.39 | ashleyk | or is it just that time of the month |
| 22:25.25 | fsmithred | maybe both |
| 22:25.44 | xrogaan | why wouldn't it be real? |
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| 22:27.22 | gnarface | sighs |
| 22:28.11 | fsmithred | goes back to making live isos |
| 22:29.09 | ashleyk | xrogaan, because we are grownups lol |
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| 22:31.12 | tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, does you solved your problem? |
| 22:31.31 | ashleyk | if its real then KatolaZ is just reacting to the fact that when money is being spent things become more rigid to not waste it which puts pressure on people. actually i didnt even read more than a sentence or so but id have to imagine the cause |
| 22:31.35 | xrogaan | have you* |
| 22:32.16 | ashleyk | tuxd3v, well i feel like it works |
| 22:32.32 | ashleyk | i havent tested every possibility yet perhaps |
| 22:32.43 | ashleyk | but it seems as simple as it can get |
| 22:32.47 | tuxd3v | so whats your problem after all? |
| 22:33.21 | ashleyk | have you ever run pings with wireless and ethernet both online |
| 22:33.26 | ashleyk | then disconnected one or the other |
| 22:33.36 | ashleyk | turn off your wifi router, / disconnect ethernet, etc |
| 22:33.43 | ashleyk | and see what happens to the ping? |
| 22:34.01 | ashleyk | its hard to make it recover in under 1 second |
| 22:34.22 | ashleyk | unless im missing something |
| 22:34.39 | xrogaan | the route is supposed to care about the actual IP it was established with. |
| 22:34.46 | tuxd3v | but why you want to recover in under 1 second in that situation? |
| 22:35.17 | ashleyk | because you have two connections |
| 22:35.38 | ashleyk | why should it even drop any pings? |
| 22:35.48 | ashleyk | if you have two routes to the internet |
| 22:35.51 | xrogaan | you have a wlan0 and eth0, those are two different route. So if one is being used then get closed, your software needs to renegotiate a new route. (figuratively speaking) |
| 22:35.59 | tuxd3v | you are speaking about a bond interface? |
| 22:36.14 | ashleyk | tuxd3v, well, i never tried it |
| 22:36.28 | tuxd3v | if you are , it should |
| 22:36.40 | tuxd3v | depending of the configuration you have |
| 22:37.07 | tuxd3v | with 2 conections simultaneously, you need a very good switch |
| 22:37.08 | ashleyk | well now that both devices are actually on board |
| 22:37.11 | ashleyk | instead of a dongle |
| 22:37.15 | ashleyk | i could try a bond setup |
| 22:37.37 | tuxd3v | if you are tryinf I think in mode 4 |
| 22:37.48 | tuxd3v | which I think its both active-active |
| 22:38.00 | tuxd3v | then you need a very good managed switch |
| 22:38.05 | tuxd3v | to enable LAPC |
| 22:38.16 | ashleyk | no you can do it in software |
| 22:38.22 | tuxd3v | because of circular dependencies in the spanning tree |
| 22:38.22 | ashleyk | the kernel can do it |
| 22:38.43 | tuxd3v | but try with a bond interface |
| 22:38.52 | tuxd3v | active-backup |
| 22:39.07 | tuxd3v | bonds are for that type of things |
| 22:39.09 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 22:41.15 | xrogaan | stupid question though: why wireless when you have ethernet? |
| 22:42.27 | ashleyk | xrogaan, and how do you get your wifi adapter to turn off when you plug in ethernet? |
| 22:42.57 | xrogaan | Why plug ethernet if you have wifi? |
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| 22:43.53 | ashleyk | can i have both plugged in and either automatically prioritize one and disable the other, or have it just work with both plugged in and also have good failover |
| 22:44.32 | ashleyk | xrogaan, try it, lol |
| 22:44.47 | xrogaan | I somewhat understand the technical issue, but in practice I would never plug ethernet in if I have access to the wifi. |
| 22:45.03 | ashleyk | its a device that i just want to work using any conenction it can get |
| 22:48.32 | xrogaan | So a bond? |
| 22:48.52 | xrogaan | I mean, the solution is a bond? |
| 22:49.07 | ashleyk | im going to try it |
| 22:50.09 | xrogaan | Thinking about it, it's really the solution to the problem. If you were to try something else, you would just emulate that behavior right? |
| 22:52.11 | gnarface | i thought i knew of a better solution but it's not something i ever do myself, so i can't remember it now. on my own systems this isn't something i would want happening automatically without my permission |
| 22:54.17 | Evilham | You couls be connected to different networks through different i terfaces and want all of them to be up simultaneously |
| 22:55.28 | gnarface | yea, and that i've done, but i still wouldn't want it deciding to down an interface on me if there was a momentary connection failure |
| 22:55.33 | Evilham | E.g. wireless to catch internet and go out, ethernet to a switch tonprovide internet to other devices |
| 22:55.47 | Evilham | Indeed |
| 22:56.07 | Evilham | But if that were a thing, likely ifupdown hoons |
| 22:56.10 | Evilham | *hooks |
| 22:56.22 | Evilham | Anyway, nighty \o |
| 23:04.20 | tuxd3v | Evilham |
| 23:04.29 | tuxd3v | is not so easy |
| 23:04.42 | tuxd3v | you need policy routing for that |
| 23:05.01 | tuxd3v | and you need to create the routing tables |
| 23:05.05 | tuxd3v | and so on.. |
| 23:05.53 | tuxd3v | because you can't have by default 2 gateways conected at same time, without one take priority over another one |
| 23:06.43 | tuxd3v | lits like asking for a response and get 2 diferent ones |
| 23:06.57 | tuxd3v | some one else needs now to pick only one of them |
| 23:07.51 | tuxd3v | er, list -> its |
| 23:08.35 | tuxd3v | without routing policy, a bond its ofcourse the solution.. |
| 23:10.40 | tuxd3v | Evilham, cia \o |
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