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| 01:38.56 | DRWhite | Hi folks, I'm iun need of a little assistance as nothing I do is working to install this stuff |
| 01:39.16 | DRWhite | Does anyone know how to install the NVIDIA drivers? |
| 01:42.11 | DRWhite | the drivers keep saying I need to install the hernel source and headers and all, but I have, and it just can't find them. |
| 01:42.19 | DRWhite | Is there something wrong with the repository? |
| 02:02.10 | fsmithred | DRWhite, there are good directions at debian wiki |
| 02:03.31 | DRWhite | looked there, they don't work |
| 02:04.55 | DRWhite | i am about to switch back to WinBlows if I can't get my monitors working |
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| 02:07.09 | golinux | DRWhite: Have a look at https://smxi.org/site/faqs-sgfxi.htm Hope you have good eyes. LOL! |
| 02:08.03 | golinux | I don't have a video card anymore but when I did I relied on that script. |
| 02:08.14 | DRWhite | I already have the headers installed. |
| 02:08.20 | DRWhite | I have even manually targeted |
| 02:08.32 | DRWhite | I have spent the past 5 hours trying to get this working |
| 02:09.47 | fsmithred | are you trying to install the binary from nvidia or the packages from repo? |
| 02:09.58 | gnarface | usually what happens is you first go to nvidia.com and use their shell installer script, then it messes with your system in ways that makes it no longer compatible with the debian packages |
| 02:10.05 | DRWhite | I have installed everything from the REPO that it has asked for so far |
| 02:10.13 | DRWhite | I have installed the linux-headers |
| 02:10.23 | DRWhite | It keeps asking me for the headers |
| 02:10.31 | DRWhite | I directly specify where the headers are |
| 02:10.35 | DRWhite | and it still fails |
| 02:10.41 | DRWhite | it keeps asking for the headers |
| 02:10.51 | fsmithred | aren't there pre-compiled binaries in the repo? |
| 02:10.58 | DRWhite | no |
| 02:11.41 | fsmithred | is build-essential installed? |
| 02:11.54 | DRWhite | yes |
| 02:12.25 | fsmithred | sorry, it's been years since I've used the nvidia drivers |
| 02:12.58 | fsmithred | I thought they had it down to installing two packages |
| 02:13.08 | DRWhite | not in Devuan |
| 02:13.13 | fsmithred | in debian |
| 02:13.25 | fsmithred | which would be the same in devuan |
| 02:13.33 | DRWhite | This is Devuan, not Debian. |
| 02:13.43 | fsmithred | unless video drivers now depend on the init system |
| 02:13.57 | gnarface | they didn't when i updated ceres yesterday anyway |
| 02:14.00 | fsmithred | yeah, I know what this is. devuan is about 95-99% debian |
| 02:14.02 | DRWhite | no they don't seem to be. The driver just keeps wanting the kernel headers |
| 02:14.28 | DRWhite | Yup, but no SystemShittyD |
| 02:15.18 | DRWhite | Would Neuvau work instead of NVIDIA? |
| 02:15.33 | fsmithred | yeah, I use nouveau |
| 02:15.36 | fsmithred | it works |
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| 02:15.56 | fsmithred | I can even have two monitors |
| 02:16.24 | DRWhite | How can I find out if Neuvau is installed correctly? |
| 02:16.45 | fsmithred | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 02:16.56 | fsmithred | is probably already installed |
| 02:16.57 | DRWhite | Because on my GPU, I have the DVI, but not the HDMI |
| 02:17.19 | DRWhite | Yes it is installed, but how do I know if it's installed properly? |
| 02:17.32 | fsmithred | I don't know. Never had to do that. |
| 02:17.49 | fsmithred | and I do a lot of installs. |
| 02:18.17 | DRWhite | I installed on this PC. But my main monitor jsut doesn't come up |
| 02:18.36 | DRWhite | Trying to install the drivers so that I know that it's going to work. |
| 02:18.59 | DRWhite | If you know how to get a second monitor up on Neu, then I'm all ears. |
| 02:19.11 | fsmithred | run lxrandr |
| 02:19.21 | fsmithred | assuming you can get to a desktop |
| 02:19.34 | fsmithred | if not, you get to play with xrandr in console |
| 02:20.42 | DRWhite | I have desktop, bbut I still use xrandr to change my resolution and alter many things for the display. |
| 02:20.56 | DRWhite | I'm not new to linux, and I've never had this issue before. |
| 02:21.21 | DRWhite | I can plug in my other linux drive from my laptop and it all works. |
| 02:21.27 | fsmithred | you have nothing on screen, or you have a plain cosole with a command prompt? |
| 02:21.33 | DRWhite | But this isntallation on here, it's not working |
| 02:22.03 | DRWhite | One screen, full GUI. That is "Screen 0". I want to get my other screen now. |
| 02:24.00 | fsmithred | it can be done with nouveau. Are you running xfce? Or some other desktop? |
| 02:24.11 | DRWhite | I have unplugged it and plugged it in hoping that it would just finally recognise it. |
| 02:24.21 | DRWhite | xfce, I don't need the super wanky shit |
| 02:24.37 | DRWhite | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.58 | fsmithred | if the standard display settings in xfce don't let you configure a second monitor, install lxrandr and use that. |
| 02:25.25 | DRWhite | lxrandr is better? |
| 02:25.44 | DRWhite | That's a GUI for it... |
| 02:25.53 | DRWhite | that's useless |
| 02:26.09 | fsmithred | I find it very useful |
| 02:26.23 | fsmithred | xrandr --output HDMI2 --mode 1600x900 --output VGA1 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60.02 --left-of HDMI2 |
| 02:26.29 | DRWhite | Doesn't do anything more than xrandr |
| 02:26.29 | fsmithred | there you go |
| 02:26.45 | fsmithred | change values to suit your situation |
| 02:27.03 | DRWhite | So you are saying that Devuan Display has just not recognised that there is the HDMI p\ort, and not turned it on? |
| 02:27.07 | fsmithred | btw, I don't have hdmi. That's what it calls the DVI |
| 02:27.22 | rwp | "xrandr --auto" is almost always the only thing I need to do. Let it automatically detect and determine what it needs. |
| 02:27.24 | fsmithred | I don't know what the problem is |
| 02:27.32 | DRWhite | I have a GTX 1050 in this workstation. |
| 02:27.37 | rwp | That will mirror the two monitors. But if that works then can set one or the other to the left or right of the other. |
| 02:27.51 | DRWhite | xrandr --autoxrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 02:28.39 | rwp | Can you pastebin somewhere the output of "xrandr" raw so we can see what it is seeing? |
| 02:28.43 | DRWhite | xrandr can't use what it has not detected. |
| 02:29.00 | DRWhite | xrandr --auto\nxrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 02:29.12 | rwp | xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999 would do it. |
| 02:29.40 | DRWhite | Do you have any secure place? |
| 02:29.45 | DRWhite | Or only insecure places? |
| 02:30.05 | rwp | If you are sharing it publicly here then ... ?? |
| 02:30.29 | fsmithred | no |
| 02:30.34 | fsmithred | don't post it here |
| 02:30.40 | fsmithred | you'll get auto-kicked |
| 02:31.10 | rwp | Right. That is the reason for the pastebin. |
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| 02:31.24 | DRWhite | there is also a reason for using Devuan, SECURITY |
| 02:31.53 | DRWhite | I can tell you all the details you want to know. |
| 02:31.55 | rwp | I don't understand what is "insecure" about a pastebin. I am flummuxed. |
| 02:32.25 | DRWhite | i.e. not a secure place to paste the information I don't want to go to the world to let the world know everything about me. |
| 02:32.46 | fsmithred | you already told us what vid card you have |
| 02:32.48 | rwp | Hmm... Here is the output of xrandr on my laptop right now. https://termbin.com/lvwa |
| 02:32.55 | DRWhite | So I have one screen in xrandr that is active, as I have said. The other one is not detected, as I have said. |
| 02:33.31 | rwp | I just can't get too excited about the security ramifications of sharing that with the world or not. But whatever. |
| 02:33.51 | DRWhite | you probably have facebook? |
| 02:34.31 | rwp | Me? I am one of the people that boycott Facebook. |
| 02:35.02 | DRWhite | That is a good thing |
| 02:35.06 | DRWhite | What about Linkedin? |
| 02:35.56 | rwp | Some 20 years ago I actually got LinkedIn to delete the account I had created there. It was soooo funny! The rep I talked with then said, "And now you can *never* have an account here." and was all in a huff. Too funny! |
| 02:36.10 | DRWhite | But anyway.. How can I get the second display going? |
| 02:36.26 | DRWhite | Well, it isn't actually gone you know. |
| 02:36.34 | DRWhite | Your information is out there forever |
| 02:37.11 | rwp | fsmithred gave you some good advice about using xrandr. I do that on all of the systems I have used with multiple monitors for the last decade or so. Before that it was required to hack the X config file. But that hasn't been needed in a looong time. Recommend using xrandr now. |
| 02:37.43 | DRWhite | okay, and in xrandr, when you run xrandr, it normally displays more than 2 monitors/screens? |
| 02:37.50 | DRWhite | Then changing settings works. |
| 02:38.04 | DRWhite | My situation is different to that |
| 02:38.19 | rwp | Yes. When the system is happy and has two monitors then xrandr displays information about both monitors. |
| 02:38.22 | DRWhite | As I have already said several time, it only sees one display. |
| 02:38.40 | DRWhite | I can't get anything to get the second display |
| 02:38.47 | rwp | If it doesn't then something is definitely not going to work. The question is why isn't the monitor being recognized? Which needs information in order to debug. |
| 02:39.06 | DRWhite | yup. |
| 02:39.19 | DRWhite | And I don't know what informatin is needed tha tI can provide |
| 02:39.28 | rwp | I have the advantage of being a pack-rat with a variety of equipment. I would try a different monitor and seeing if that worked. Things like that. Divide and conquer. |
| 02:39.35 | DRWhite | I have already stated that other drives I have used with Devuan pick it all up fine. |
| 02:40.06 | DRWhite | Do I just need to do a reinstall? |
| 02:40.18 | DRWhite | you know, 4th time lucky? |
| 02:40.27 | gnarface | well, you should figure out what you did wrong with this one first |
| 02:40.37 | DRWhite | you mean this third one? |
| 02:41.28 | rwp | I haven't *needed* to install the proprietary nvidia driver for ages and ages either. |
| 02:41.34 | rwp | The nouveau driver has been more than sufficient for everything I have needed. Which is mostly full screen video. |
| 02:41.48 | rwp | It's the game players that complain (mostly) that nouveau isn't good enough for them. |
| 02:41.59 | gnarface | he's gone |
| 02:42.16 | rwp | Oh! Yep. Gone. |
| 02:43.01 | rwp | And I must relocate from here to there too. Laters! |
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| 03:42.50 | systemdlete | I am finding that upowerd does not work well with cinnamon or xfce on my laptop (the ASUS H101A I've been working on for what seems like ages now). It does not update the remaining power; it seems like it only sets the remainder upon startup of the power panel applet. |
| 03:44.40 | systemdlete | However, I note that acpi(1) from the command line DOES appear to be tracking the remaining power. upowerd was apparently added for implementing... eh, let's just say "our old friend" So I am wondering if it is as simple as deleting upowerd and installing acpid/acpi. Some users have implemented their own scripts rather than rely on the various panel applets |
| 03:45.23 | systemdlete | It is really scary taking the laptop off AC, that is, unless I remember to call acpi from the cmd line every so often. |
| 03:46.43 | systemdlete | I had the machine run out of juice on me and restarting means cleaning up the corrupted file system (no problems though; as we know linux cleans this up accurately). Howevver, sometimes a recovery reboot like this drops me into the standalone during boot to force an fsck |
| 03:47.08 | systemdlete | I entertain your thoughts if you have some. Tia. |
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| 03:52.29 | systemdlete | upower relies on acpid... hmmm. That was not installed by default. I wonder if... |
| 03:56.51 | systemdlete | reboots, just to make sure |
| 03:57.25 | systemdlete | (that is, after installing acpid. Now upowerd AND acpid will be running simultaneously. I hope this doesn't screw it up.) |
| 04:04.09 | gnarface | systemdlete: i never heard of upowerd. |
| 04:05.40 | gnarface | systemdlete: i think your assumption about needing acpid is correct. upowerd may or may not be necessary, but that would depend on the individual applets. you might also need acpi-support-base and pm-utils. i can't guarantee you won't have to edit some of the scripts that come with them |
| 04:06.58 | gnarface | the "task-laptop" package might be able to catch any missing stuff that would be relevant |
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| 04:43.27 | systemdlete | well, pm-utils is a dependency, apparently. |
| 04:43.44 | systemdlete | I'll add task-laptop if I find that anything is amiss. |
| 04:43.47 | systemdlete | (thanks!) |
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| 04:45.00 | systemdlete | Also, I just noticed something. I think I have finally figured out why cinnamon sometimes comes up and seems to hang with just the background from the dm: The screensaver is running!!! No kidding. I opened a console, killed the screen saver and voila! the rest of the desktop comes up normal. |
| 04:45.22 | systemdlete | Now, why the screen saver would be doing this is mysterious. I've never seen this behavior anywhere else. |
| 04:45.43 | systemdlete | weird. |
| 04:46.15 | systemdlete | btw, that upowerd seems to have been installed FOR ME. I did not request it. Maybe a dependency of cinnamon of some sort? |
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| 04:59.48 | furrywolf | I can't help with any of the other stuff, but aptitude why upowerd should tell you why it's installed. |
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| 05:13.59 | systemdlete | you are correct -- it tells me that upower was installed as part of cinnamon |
| 05:15.09 | systemdlete | specifically, a package called cinnamon-session |
| 05:15.18 | systemdlete | which in turn needs upower |
| 05:15.55 | systemdlete | so I /may/ need to disable upowerd if I can get acpid working satisfactorily. |
| 05:21.42 | systemdlete | Does the power panel applet work for laptops under any of the supported desktops? I mean, does it show a periodically updated power level? (Mine does not in either cinnamon or xfce, but acpi does) |
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| 05:36.34 | systemdlete | I note that upowerd is welded at very high temperatures to the systemd world, so I may be out of luck. There might not even be a way to disable it, for all I know, because it seems that the upowerd is welded onto cinnamon! |
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| 05:36.46 | systemdlete | (jeepers creepers, after all the work I've done on this...) |
| 05:37.45 | systemdlete | thanks furrywolf for the reminder about "aptitude why" -- I forgot that one |
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| 05:47.44 | gnarface | hmm. well it basically does come down to that, if they removed the old support in favor of using systemd |
| 05:47.58 | gnarface | so in your case maybe you should be filing a bug report with upowerd |
| 05:48.29 | gnarface | but you might be able to find legacy power management applets and stuff |
| 05:50.16 | gnarface | i admit it is not something i've delved into recently |
| 05:54.37 | systemdlete | Well, I've already started diddling around with all that, so yes. It looks like I may end up writing my own scriptlet. |
| 05:55.50 | systemdlete | as far as filing a bug, if the devs supporting upowerd are distinct from the devs supporting cinnamon, maybe they will have little to offer, other than filing the bug with cinnamon devs. And I already have a query with cinnamon at the linuxmint site (cinnamon has no site of its own, per se) on their forum. |
| 05:56.23 | systemdlete | I /think/ I am doing due diligence on this... |
| 05:57.03 | systemdlete | I do, as always, appreciate your input (and of others) |
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| 14:58.39 | avbox | First I wnat to thank you everybody who gaved so far a feedback to avmultimedia. thaks. I got the fedback that booting in uefi in virtual environment does not work. Yes, this is like. I debugged it and it looks that starting /etc/init.d/eudev never ends. What is a bit curious, in devuan ascii it works like a charm. Any ideas or who is respnsible |
| 14:58.39 | avbox | for eudev? |
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| 15:00.53 | avbox | If someone knows a devuan based distro with beowulf that boots with uefi and vm instances, this also would be welcomed. |
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