| 00:02.35 | gnarface | g4570n: if there's no package for it, it should be in the gitlab |
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| 00:05.25 | devuanwannabe36 | hey there, anybody out there? |
| 00:05.46 | devuanwannabe36 | " " " listening-in that is? |
| 00:06.22 | golinux | Always |
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| 00:08.49 | devuanwannabe36 | awesum! just wanted to confirm that http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 is the best place to visit |
| 00:09.07 | devuanwannabe36 | .. outside the dng mailing-list that is, for going from ASCII to Beowulf |
| 00:10.47 | devuanwannabe36 | b/c last post on http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 is four months old |
| 00:15.19 | devuanwannabe36 | otoh, might be better to just search-on and lurk around ... |
| 00:15.32 | devuanwannabe36 | "The officially official Devuan Forum" http://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:16.35 | gnarface | devuanwannabe36: that's really the forum, if that's what you're asking |
| 00:16.53 | devuanwannabe36 | guess that by default Silence Indicates Assent |
| 00:16.59 | fsmithred | and that's not the best place to get upgrade info |
| 00:17.10 | fsmithred | that thread is old and has a lot of obsolete info |
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| 00:18.56 | devuanwannabe36 | fsmithred, ty tho don't see a better place for upgrade info w/o scouring the dng list |
| 00:19.58 | fsmithred | change sources, update, dist-upgrade, reboot |
| 00:20.17 | fsmithred | how many extra steps there are between dist-upgrade and reboot depends on what you've got installed |
| 00:20.57 | fsmithred | you want to upgrade a system that you're already using, or you want to make a fresh ascii install and upgrade it? |
| 00:21.45 | fsmithred | if it's the former, be very cautious, if the latter, go for it. Start small and upgrade, then add stuff. |
| 00:22.24 | devuanwannabe36 | ty agin... makes sense of the latter fresh ASCII then upgrade |
| 00:24.01 | devuanwannabe36 | mayB some1 'll put that upgrade info on the forum and make it into sticky for others? |
| 00:24.22 | fsmithred | sure, once it's stable |
| 00:24.41 | devuanwannabe36 | ok |
| 00:24.45 | fsmithred | so it doesn't end up being obsolete info |
| 00:25.16 | fsmithred | a few things are still changing, and they may affect the exact procedure |
| 00:26.06 | fsmithred | policykit, consolekit and elogind are still doing a dance |
| 00:27.26 | devuanwannabe36 | 'kay ty, will keep eye out for things, gotta go. until later..... bye |
| 00:27.28 | devuanwannabe36 | BYE |
| 00:27.30 | devuanwannabe36 | QUIT |
| 00:27.42 | devuanwannabe36 | exit |
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| 04:28.09 | buZz | mehhhh |
| 04:28.11 | buZz | > if [ $BLSTATUS != $OLDBLSTATUS ]; then |
| 04:28.22 | buZz | doesnt work to see that "0" changed to "1" or back |
| 04:28.26 | buZz | annoying bash :P |
| 04:29.16 | buZz | hmmm, maybe -ne |
| 04:29.55 | buZz | still nope |
| 04:29.55 | buZz | boo |
| 04:30.13 | furrywolf | I despise bash. |
| 04:30.41 | buZz | i just dont want to use something heavier, this is on a 32MB machine |
| 04:30.58 | furrywolf | if (( BLSTATUS != OLDBLSTATUS )) , I think... |
| 04:31.10 | buZz | http://paste.debian.net/1101693/ |
| 04:31.16 | buZz | (( )) ? |
| 04:31.25 | buZz | well, its not really bash or sh |
| 04:31.31 | buZz | its whatever busybox has |
| 04:31.32 | buZz | :P |
| 04:31.35 | DonkeyHotei | ash |
| 04:31.51 | furrywolf | I can't remember which one needs the $ and which one does not. |
| 04:31.58 | buZz | DonkeyHotei: ahh thanks |
| 04:32.08 | DonkeyHotei | almquist shell |
| 04:33.48 | systemdlete | almost shell |
| 04:33.51 | systemdlete | :D |
| 04:34.30 | furrywolf | (( )) is for numbers, [[ ]] is for strings, [ ] is for built-in tests |
| 04:35.12 | DonkeyHotei | no |
| 04:35.13 | furrywolf | if you want to compare it as strings, then do [[ "$BLSTATUS" != "$OLDBLSTATUS" ]], or use (( )) and no quotes for numbers. |
| 04:35.32 | DonkeyHotei | there is no (( )) |
| 04:35.37 | buZz | seems (( )) is trying to execute the '1' thats inside the first var |
| 04:35.39 | buZz | :) |
| 04:35.52 | furrywolf | ... I have written way too much bash, and there's definitely (( )).... |
| 04:36.00 | DonkeyHotei | [[ ]] is a bash thing for built-in tests |
| 04:36.08 | buZz | [[ ]] and [ ] have the same result in ash, it seems |
| 04:36.29 | furrywolf | the last script I wrote uses (( )) 58 times, according to grep and wc -l. :) |
| 04:36.33 | DonkeyHotei | [ ] is normally the [ executable, but is a built-in in ash |
| 04:37.06 | buZz | i guess i can just use bc and subtract the two numbers, if outcome is zero its unchanged |
| 04:37.07 | furrywolf | oh, so this isn't bash. |
| 04:37.09 | DonkeyHotei | there is $(( )) |
| 04:37.15 | buZz | its busybox's ash |
| 04:37.16 | DonkeyHotei | not (( )) |
| 04:37.32 | furrywolf | I've only written for real bash. |
| 04:37.37 | DonkeyHotei | $(( )) is for numbers in bash |
| 04:38.04 | DonkeyHotei | but bash will also accept $[ ] |
| 04:38.07 | furrywolf | no, $( is command substitution. plain (( )) is how you do ifs with numbers. |
| 04:38.36 | DonkeyHotei | no, $( ) is command substitution, $(( )) is for numbers |
| 04:38.55 | DonkeyHotei | there is no plain (( )) |
| 04:39.01 | furrywolf | ... |
| 04:39.16 | furrywolf | I have written literally thousands of (( ))s. |
| 04:39.34 | furrywolf | here, I'll start pasting lines from my last script, which does work. |
| 04:39.44 | furrywolf | if (( quiet < 3 )) |
| 04:39.44 | furrywolf | if (( fixaddrs > 0 )) && (( savesql == 0 )) |
| 04:39.44 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.45 | furrywolf | etc etc |
| 04:40.10 | DonkeyHotei | conditionals? |
| 04:40.19 | DonkeyHotei | i was referring to calculations |
| 04:40.37 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.37 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.38 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.48 | DonkeyHotei | e.g. echo $(( 1 + 2 )) |
| 04:41.04 | furrywolf | buzz's question was a conditional. <buZz:#devuan> > if [ $BLSTATUS != $OLDBLSTATUS ]; then |
| 04:41.20 | furrywolf | I answered with how to do a conditional with numbers. |
| 04:41.38 | buZz | ooooo |
| 04:41.41 | buZz | derp |
| 04:41.45 | furrywolf | I also showed how to do it as strings, with [[ ]]. |
| 04:41.45 | buZz | it was working , had a typo |
| 04:41.59 | buZz | read -r OLDPSUSTATUS < $blstatustemp |
| 04:42.07 | buZz | should have been OLDBLSTATUS |
| 04:42.08 | buZz | :P |
| 04:42.44 | buZz | ok! now i can monitor backlight and charging with 1 minute intervals \o/ just need to add timestamp logging, parsing and some kind of output |
| 04:42.49 | furrywolf | also, note that you can do assignments within (( )). for example, I usually do things like (( totalroutes++ )) |
| 04:43.10 | furrywolf | you certainly can not say "there is no plain (( ))". |
| 04:43.19 | buZz | there is none in ash |
| 04:43.28 | furrywolf | you asked about bash. :P |
| 04:43.29 | buZz | that i can see |
| 04:43.37 | buZz | yeah ;) mea culpa |
| 04:44.18 | furrywolf | in any case, I absolutely despise bash. I've written a lot of it. and it never gets any less painful. |
| 04:44.31 | buZz | welp, not as bad as batch files :P |
| 04:44.45 | furrywolf | for example, the script I'm pasting these from takes a pdf file, extracts information from it, validates it, and puts it in a sqlite db. |
| 04:45.15 | furrywolf | it also does address parsing, which is painful in any language, because people are fucking idiots and can't figure out how to format their own addresses. |
| 04:46.27 | furrywolf | so you get things like #B PO BOX 17 128 MAIN ST AVE APT B UPSTAIRS, MISSPELDE CYIT, CA, ZIP-THREEOFFOURDIGITS.... |
| 04:47.18 | DonkeyHotei | doesn't usps have an api for correcting those? |
| 04:47.23 | furrywolf | the fix address script uses (( )) 40 times. :P |
| 04:48.15 | furrywolf | dunno. some days I'd much rather correct them with a 2x4. :P |
| 04:49.42 | furrywolf | it's mostly a horrible mess of regexs and conditionals. '^([0-9]*)([A-Z]*) ?(1/2)? ([^,]*), ((([[:print:]]*),? ([0-9]{5})-?([0-9]{4})? *)|(([[:print:]]*)))' |
| 04:49.44 | furrywolf | etc |
| 04:51.47 | furrywolf | it's especially easy to maintain because it grabs some of the regexs from a couple files at runtime. :P |
| 04:51.51 | furrywolf | (yes, that's a joke) |
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| 04:52.58 | systemdlete | perl, for me |
| 04:54.19 | furrywolf | my perl is pretty rusty. it's one of the languages I've mostly modified rather than written. |
| 04:57.03 | furrywolf | I've done c, c++, bash, perl, basic, pascal, prolog, lisp, ml, esterel, perl, java, ircii, and a bunch of others that I can't think of because it's past my bedtime. |
| 04:57.47 | furrywolf | I won't touch python, or in any other way encourage its existence. |
| 04:59.43 | furrywolf | oh, and I hate php, despite writing lots of it. |
| 05:00.26 | systemdlete | I'm not a fan of python. I found that it could not do (easily) what perl does naturally (and easily) |
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| 05:00.57 | furrywolf | I'm not a fan of either the language or the development process that created it. |
| 05:00.58 | systemdlete | redirecting IO from a process, I followed the examples, modifying as necessary, but could not get it to work without hauling in all sorts of extra routines |
| 05:01.18 | systemdlete | perl or python or both? |
| 05:01.29 | systemdlete | some people HATE perl, I am well aware. |
| 05:01.30 | furrywolf | like how they break everything with every interpreter version so badly that debian minor-version depends python packages on the interpreter. |
| 05:01.49 | furrywolf | oh, I don't mind perl. python I won't use. |
| 05:02.37 | systemdlete | php... well, it actually isn't too bad for what it does do. It was created to handle the "stateless" matter of web sites, and seems to do that well. But I find that perl can do all that and much more easily |
| 05:03.06 | furrywolf | example: Package: borgbackup Depends: python3 (<< 3.6), python3 (>= 3.5~) |
| 05:03.24 | furrywolf | debian has to do this because the python interpreter is so unstable that minor version bumps break scripts |
| 05:04.12 | furrywolf | it's also a total bitch to compile, and everything written in it seems buggier than it should be. |
| 05:04.53 | systemdlete | I also think that relying on indentation... |
| 05:04.58 | systemdlete | for syntax... |
| 05:05.27 | systemdlete | sort of reminds me of IBM punch cards (lookout for column 6! It's the continuation indicator) |
| 05:05.41 | rrq | thinks he's landed at #debianfork |
| 05:05.48 | furrywolf | yeah, that's one of the many reasons I won't use it. |
| 05:06.07 | systemdlete | thinks rrq is making a not-so-subtle hint guys... |
| 05:06.37 | furrywolf | I haven't used any of the new trendy languages yet. go, etc. |
| 05:06.43 | furrywolf | rust, c# |
| 05:09.02 | furrywolf | time for me to get to bed. bbl. |
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| 06:02.45 | systemdlete | qlipper (LXDE clipboard in Ascii) not working for me. Apparently, others have had issue also. |
| 06:07.33 | systemdlete | in fact, the clipboard works on and off, but I haven't figured out the pattern yet |
| 06:07.47 | systemdlete | I tried parcellite, but it isn't working well either. |
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| 06:11.49 | phillipsjk | X apparently has two clipboard: one where you use the explicit copy+pates command, and another where text you highlight goes into the clipboard. |
| 06:11.58 | systemdlete | https://github.com/pvanek/qlipper/issues/86 |
| 06:12.37 | systemdlete | I've tried both ways of pasting. Neither work... sometimes, that is. Sometimes, it does work. |
| 06:12.58 | phillipsjk | just had mozilla prove him wrong |
| 06:13.39 | systemdlete | the reporter of that bug seems to infer that clipman worked for him... |
| 06:14.10 | phillipsjk | I think the problem with mozilla is that it auto-selects the addres bar on you. |
| 06:14.46 | systemdlete | well, this is copy from web page (firefox) and paste to cmd line (in terminal window) |
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| 06:37.28 | gnarface | mozilla's clipboard is part of gtk i believe |
| 06:37.40 | gnarface | the one that works on everything is the one that is part of Xorg |
| 06:37.58 | gnarface | both of them will copy highlighted text |
| 06:38.08 | gnarface | but only the gtk one also has keyboard activators |
| 06:38.36 | gnarface | other toolkits probably all have their own clipboards too |
| 06:38.43 | gnarface | i don't know if some window managers additionally add their own |
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| 07:09.41 | systemdlete | normally, I have not had to do ANYTHING to get clipboards to work. This is unusual. |
| 07:10.50 | systemdlete | I mean, in any distro/desktop. Though I have encountered some problems with some clipboards that were not compatible (due to some kind of mismatch/support issues beyond the reach of the distros) |
| 07:12.16 | systemdlete | parcellite seemed to work, but I noticed errors in the terminal window where I launched it manually. |
| 07:12.33 | systemdlete | (xfce4-clipman:10412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_window_type: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed |
| 07:13.40 | systemdlete | so obviously, there is some sort of misconfiguration in this release of lxqt |
| 07:16.09 | systemdlete | It's mainly the paste part that isn't working. But sometimes the copy'd string doesn't show in the clipboard popup with the history-- it just shows a blank. If I clicked on it, though, it would sometimes paste the correct (expeccted) selection |
| 07:16.53 | systemdlete | maybe I'll switch to xfce instead |
| 07:17.25 | systemdlete | or cinnamon, if that's fully supported |
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| 12:47.03 | halftux | hi I have a problem devuan ascii net install hangs during select and install software: Installed discover (amd64) on a PPC-3150s-RAE intel celeron N2930. Can't get with strg+F4 to debug console tried also i386 and it is the same behavior. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:07.03 | Burek | i can't find netinst download, can someone point me in the right way? |
| 13:07.46 | halftux | go to one mirror under installer-iso |
| 13:07.47 | Burek | also, any news on new devuan? |
| 13:08.16 | Burek | ohhh, thank you! |
| 13:08.44 | halftux | for example devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 13:09.04 | Burek | yeah, found it. i totally missed it the first time |
| 13:09.08 | Burek | appreciated! |
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| 13:10.47 | halftux | the advantech PPC-3150s-RAE has a realtek rtl8821AE mini pcie card installed will try another installation without this card and see if I can get around this freeze |
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| 13:45.05 | halftux | ok now I could go further by changing in the bios the chipset southbridge configuration from windows 7 to windows 8/10 |
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| 14:26.05 | phillipsjk | So it hangs during select and install software, not hardware detection? Maybe see if you can reproduce it with Windows installation media.. |
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| 14:37.54 | phillipsjk | Maybe try booting from a different USB port as well. My cheap laptop has some flaky ports. (But all the ports on that machine look clustered together) |
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| 14:53.21 | halftux | thx but I could fix it with the above bios settings change. Now I have a different problem the touchscreen is not recognized properly |
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| 15:01.33 | halftux | is the kernel from devuan ascii unchanged compared to debain stretch? |
| 15:02.21 | phillipsjk | It is 4.9.x, not sure what stretch uses |
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| 15:03.49 | halftux | ok does devuan ascii apply some changes to the original 4.9.0 kernel sources? |
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| 15:04.33 | halftux | patches.. |
| 15:06.22 | halftux | the thing is I can't find in the devuan repo a kernel-image so I thought it uses the kernel from debian |
| 15:08.46 | phillipsjk | I am new to devuan, and not fully awake. You may have to wait for somebody else to chime in. |
| 15:09.23 | halftux | ok |
| 15:10.10 | phillipsjk | has not used debian for over a year now |
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| 15:24.06 | golinux | halftux: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ |
| 15:24.52 | golinux | 90+% of our packages come from Debian via redirect. |
| 15:28.45 | halftux | thank you for that information but how can I identify (on this pkginfo) if a found package is redirected to debian? |
| 15:30.08 | halftux | and there I can see that ascii has some backports with newer kernel :D which repository I need to add to the source.list to get the backports? |
| 15:31.15 | yeti | $ apt-cache show weechat | grep ^Filename |
| 15:31.18 | yeti | Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/w/weechat/weechat_2.3-1_all.deb |
| 15:31.58 | yeti | the path can be taken a shint |
| 15:32.14 | yeti | prob'ly there is a more intelligent method to find debian packages |
| 15:32.26 | yeti | but this was the 1st idea i had |
| 15:33.31 | halftux | maybe like I did looking into the repo and when the package is not listed it is a redirect? But thx for your apt-cache hint |
| 15:33.54 | yeti | for backports, add http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free |
| 15:34.05 | yeti | or via some other hostname |
| 15:34.22 | yeti | with ascii instead of beowulf |
| 15:34.45 | yeti | I just grabbed it from the system I'm running now |
| 15:34.54 | halftux | wonderful thx |
| 15:35.14 | yeti | all my asciis are sleepinf |
| 15:35.16 | yeti | :-) |
| 15:35.19 | yeti | sleepinG |
| 15:35.31 | yeti | needs bigger keys or smaller fingers |
| 15:35.36 | halftux | so beowulf runs nearly stable? |
| 15:35.51 | yeti | doesnt need much |
| 15:36.15 | yeti | mostly nonGUIish but this box has xfce too |
| 15:36.23 | yeti | just for fun... |
| 15:36.30 | yeti | but mostly I use it over mosh |
| 15:37.05 | yeti | spends 87¾% of the day in xterm+screen |
| 15:37.45 | yeti | $ uptime |
| 15:37.48 | yeti | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.02 | yeti | and 26 days ago wasnt a crash... it was kernel update |
| 15:38.16 | halftux | nice |
| 15:38.23 | yeti | I had some problems with 4.9 kernels on PCs and ARM |
| 15:38.37 | yeti | but 4.19 looks stable |
| 15:39.33 | halftux | I will try with the backports kernel and when this will not work I think I need to patch and compile the kernel |
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| 16:04.46 | golinux | yeti: auto.mirror is deprecated |
| 16:05.11 | yeti | ok |
| 16:05.18 | golinux | deb.devuan.org is current |
| 16:05.31 | yeti | have that too on my saources.list |
| 16:05.42 | yeti | some weeks ago there was some hiccup |
| 16:05.49 | yeti | needed that addon |
| 16:06.03 | golinux | I would try pkgmaster before auto. |
| 16:07.12 | golinux | auto was for jessie and only maintained because it is on the isos. When jessie is EOL, I suspect that auto,mirror will disappear |
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| 16:10.31 | yeti | ok... deb.* and pkgmaster.* now... and pkgmaster lines #-ed |
| 16:10.40 | yeti | prepared for whatever may come ;-) |
| 16:11.12 | yeti | shouldnt devuan packages end in .dev? :-D |
| 16:12.08 | omnio | :) |
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| 18:38.47 | fsmithred | yeti, packages from debian that we rebuild get +devuan in the version. |
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