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| 01:46.15 | tuxd3v | hello, |
| 01:46.25 | tuxd3v | I finished to make a build |
| 01:46.46 | tuxd3v | I am in a server type role OS with 30MB Ram consumed |
| 01:46.52 | tuxd3v | openssh server |
| 01:46.59 | tuxd3v | dgcp clients and so on |
| 01:47.13 | tuxd3v | does you think its a lot for a minimal system? |
| 01:47.18 | tuxd3v | its arm64 |
| 01:47.31 | agris | mason, SPL is probably the first step towards not requiring it altogether. As most of the ZFS development takes place on and for Linux and Solaris doesn't even exist anymore. not to mention the licensing issue and Linux 5 SIMD |
| 01:47.41 | agris | am I correct on this? |
| 01:48.46 | tuxd3v | apreciate an advise on that.. |
| 01:49.11 | tuxd3v | the board has 1GB Ram |
| 01:53.41 | tuxd3v | does any one know how to exit from irssi IRC client ? |
| 01:53.48 | tuxd3v | exit or quit doesn't work.. |
| 01:54.00 | tuxd3v | should havbe read man pages first... lol |
| 01:54.14 | tuxd3v | havbe -> have |
| 01:58.29 | tuxd3v | forget .. solved !:) |
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| 02:42.02 | mason | agris: The development still adheres to Solaris as an upstream, which is to say, Illumos nowadays. A number of copyright holders are quite fond of the CDDL and wouldn't relicense given the option. Also, note that Oracle still owns the copyright on a bunch of the original stuff, but a bunch of newer stuff is OpenZFS CDDL. It's very unlikely we'll ever see that licensing shift on that side. |
| 02:42.30 | agris | wasn't it openindiana? |
| 02:43.00 | agris | also can't they dual-license it? |
| 02:44.02 | gnarface | legally it is allowed. the question is why would they do it? benevolence? hah! |
| 02:46.40 | mason | agris: OpenIndiana is one of them. OpenSolaris was the first, while Sun existed, and then Oracle bought Sun and OpenSolaris was closed. OpenIndiana popped up, and Illumos as the kernel project, distinct from the distributions. |
| 02:48.04 | mason | OpenSolaris still exists, as does OmniOS, SmartOS, and some others I'm forgetting. They still see active development, but I don't use any of them because they can't stack block layers, which means no ZFS on crypto. When Illumos gets ZOL encryption, I'll re-evaluate this, as I used to run Solaris and was fond of it. |
| 02:48.45 | mason | Oh, and: https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/native-open-zfs-encryption-is-in-illumos-now.24942/ |
| 02:48.52 | DonkeyHotei | iirc openindiana was specifically the kernel |
| 02:49.45 | mason | DonkeyHotei: It's a whole distribution. Illumos is the kernel. |
| 02:49.58 | gnarface | take it to #debianfork guys |
| 02:50.01 | mason | https://www.openindiana.org/ |
| 02:50.28 | mason | gnarface: Too negative in there. I had to leave. |
| 02:50.35 | DonkeyHotei | lol |
| 02:51.32 | DonkeyHotei | the name IllumOS has OS in it |
| 02:52.54 | agris | gnarface, ZFS was licensed CDDL specifically to make it GPL incompatible in an attempt to make Solaris appear more attractive. Solaris now no longer exists and the licensing shenanigans clearly didn't work out for them and pay off. |
| 02:53.32 | agris | which Is why I think dual licensing is a real possibility now |
| 02:55.07 | mason | agris: That's an urban legend, as it turns out. But I can get us back on topic... Is there a way to impose an external dependency? I want my ZFS kmods to have the most recent kernel depend on them. Which is to say, I want kernel installs to fail with dependency failure if there isn't a matching ZFS kmod package available. Is this possible without rebuilding the kernel packages to explicitly add the |
| 02:55.13 | mason | dependency? It'd almost have to be pattern matching in a rule - see something that matches the kernel package naming, and have logic to apply a dynamic dependency. |
| 02:55.40 | mason | I'm not familiar enough with dpkg innards to know if such a concept exists. |
| 02:57.55 | gnarface | i think you do have to "rebuild" the package but i think it can be done manually without rebuilding the kernel itself... i think debs are just compressed ar archives |
| 02:58.45 | gnarface | even though they are typically created and edited with dh helper tools, they can be manipulated with the lower-level tools too |
| 02:58.56 | gnarface | and i think the dependency list is just a text file in there |
| 03:01.43 | mason | gnarface: Hrm. If I have to rebuild, I might just build a uniquely-named series, then, as a new package would be available and seen as an upgrade without my having a kmod ready. |
| 03:02.16 | mason | I could get around this with DKMS, but I really don't like that, especially on my older hardware. |
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| 03:14.29 | mason | g'night all o/ |
| 03:28.07 | gnarface | oh, hmmm. dkms isn't a bad idea. nvidia drivers use that to make one version keep working across multiple kernels during upgrades, and it even usually works right. |
| 03:28.23 | gnarface | i don't now how it works but it seems like that could do the trick too |
| 03:28.28 | gnarface | don't know* |
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| 07:28.47 | xkr47 | "Debian reconsiders init-system diversity" https://lwn.net/Articles/804254/ |
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| 07:37.37 | yeti | """The page you have tried to view (Debian reconsiders init-system diversity) is currently available to LWN subscribers only. Reader subscriptions are a necessary way to fund the continued existence of LWN and the quality of its content.""" |
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| 07:45.56 | yeti | https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/804254/71240d6b83844653/ |
| 07:46.10 | yeti | the find-o-matics have working links |
| 07:46.13 | yeti | :-P |
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| 07:56.40 | xkr47 | whaat is that |
| 08:06.49 | golinux | Old news |
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| 10:17.32 | Igor2 | hi all; I'm using devuan for some time already, now reading up on a few things; there's one thing I can't find info about: as an upstream, what's the best way to get an official devuan package? |
| 10:29.22 | GyrosGeier | it depends, I think |
| 10:29.36 | GyrosGeier | if the package is init system independent, just get it into Debian |
| 10:30.17 | Igor2 | so devuan doesn't keep own, non-init related packages? |
| 10:30.41 | GyrosGeier | Devuan imports the stuff that doesn't change from Debian |
| 10:30.47 | GyrosGeier | no point in duplicating effort |
| 10:30.53 | Igor2 | ok, thanks |
| 10:31.02 | GyrosGeier | most packages don't care about the init system |
| 10:31.07 | Igor2 | I know |
| 10:31.16 | Igor2 | I was asking because Devuan also duplicated some of the ifnra |
| 10:31.55 | GyrosGeier | the duplicated infra is necessary because the package list from Debian is filtered |
| 10:31.58 | Igor2 | so I could imagine in some cases a package happens in Devuan first and then Debian takes it if they wanted |
| 10:32.09 | GyrosGeier | there's no process for that |
| 10:32.15 | Igor2 | ok |
| 10:32.19 | GyrosGeier | Debian is currently debating if they want one |
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| 10:32.45 | GyrosGeier | but it will probably go the same way as when Ubuntu decided they wanted a different init system than Debian |
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| 10:33.03 | Igor2 | why, what happened then? |
| 10:33.21 | GyrosGeier | Ubuntu developed upstart, and switched their system boot to it |
| 10:33.24 | Igor2 | (sorry for asking so much, but I find these aspects interesting) |
| 10:33.30 | GyrosGeier | faster boot, because event driven |
| 10:33.40 | GyrosGeier | and proper dependency management |
| 10:34.00 | Igor2 | yeah, I remember upstart, didn't know it was developer for ubuntu tho |
| 10:34.20 | GyrosGeier | the people who made it were employed by Canonical |
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| 10:40.25 | Igor2 | thanks |
| 10:41.39 | Igor2 | what about cdebconf? I remember it tried to replace debconf but I can't find any reference on the web not older than 4..5 years about its state |
| 10:55.17 | GyrosGeier | no idea about that |
| 10:55.30 | GyrosGeier | I guess it was abandoned at some point |
| 10:55.35 | Igor2 | too bad :( |
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| 12:04.47 | jordila | one hacklab where Devuan GNU + Linux was promoted ... died today in Madrid : R.I.P. Ingoberlab |
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| 13:08.50 | GyrosGeier | what happened? |
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| 13:21.30 | jordila | Armed police came in... knwoledge, love and sharing were kicked out of a (squatted) symbolic building in the city centrum :-| |
| 13:21.51 | Igor2 | armed police?! why? |
| 13:28.21 | gnarface | for squatting? |
| 13:29.37 | gnarface | poor kids |
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| 14:08.43 | emdete | jordila: do you have some link to a report or such? |
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| 15:23.08 | jordila | In spanish, yes, emdete . What are you interested to know aobut... URL focusing on today's facts ... kick out ? |
| 15:24.21 | jordila | here ... , at than moment, all was green and "clear sky" https://hacklab.ingobernable.net/2019/07/12/13-de-julio-fiesta-tor-devuan/ |
| 15:24.52 | jordila | today the destructive storm caught us... |
| 15:27.00 | emdete | jordila: spanish is fine, some background information, was there any report in the press ? |
| 15:27.20 | tuxd3v | I wakeup and I am reading something that, sincerely doesn't make sense to me..I am still waking up.. |
| 15:27.40 | emdete | i found that domain and will check that url |
| 15:27.48 | tuxd3v | jordila, are you serious? |
| 15:28.19 | tuxd3v | its that place some airnb place? |
| 15:28.50 | tuxd3v | because airnb now its forbiden for groups... due to the massive shutting recently |
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| 15:41.07 | emdete | jordila: i would be interested in a report about the police kick out as well |
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| 19:13.38 | tuxd3v | Hello, |
| 19:13.51 | tuxd3v | I updated the sunxi image with packaged kernel, headers, libc-dev, and improoved uboot kernel/fdt detection.. |
| 19:14.01 | tuxd3v | if someone wants it: https://meocloud.pt/link/af27f314-c7fc-4a5f-a028-037c30e76f85/DEVUAN/ |
| 19:14.14 | tuxd3v | file: devuan-ascii-arm64-0.2-beta.img.tar.gz |
| 19:14.38 | tuxd3v | :) |
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| 19:25.10 | Digit | <3 devuan. long live devuan. |
| 19:26.30 | targz | Digit: \o/ |
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| 21:08.38 | tuxd3v | hello, I have problems conecting to irc via irssi |
| 21:08.52 | tuxd3v | can any one point me in the right direction? |
| 21:09.19 | tuxd3v | thanks in advance |
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| 21:28.58 | Digit | tuxd3v: what kind of problems? does it give errors when trying? --help & man page failing you? |
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| 21:36.42 | tuxd3v | Digit, I believe I already succeded |
| 21:36.52 | tuxd3v | it was the hostname |
| 21:36.55 | Digit | good good. :) |
| 21:37.04 | tuxd3v | I am trying from a Orangepi one plus |
| 21:37.28 | tuxd3v | and when I registered it was from my Desktop hostname |
| 21:37.43 | tuxd3v | I simply changed the hostname in the config file.. |
| 21:37.57 | tuxd3v | I am not used to irssi, but its a nice alternative :) |
| 21:43.01 | tuxd3v | tuxd3v is achieving Nirvana state, learning how to work, with a 30Mb Ram desktop.. |
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