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| 10:05.12 | kappa | is multiarch supported on devuan at all? |
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| 10:09.16 | debdog | kappa: yes |
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| 10:13.57 | kappa | i'm having a problem trying to install wine32, after adding i386 with dpkg and updating |
| 10:14.32 | kappa | when i try to install wine32, it doesn't want to install it's dependencies, nor the package itself, it seems |
| 10:16.13 | kappa | i tried apt install -f, using aptitude install -f, but all of them just refuse to install it |
| 10:16.27 | debdog | sorry, it's been a long time since I've done anything with wine |
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| 10:17.37 | debdog | but mayhap "aptitute install wine32" returns a useful (error) message |
| 10:19.08 | debdog | and just to be certain, you've followed theses steps: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage ? |
| 10:20.29 | kappa | yep, precisely those, though all it says is to add it and update the repos |
| 10:22.13 | rrq | kappa: please check https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3067 re win32 on 64bit host |
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| 10:22.29 | xrogaan | kappa: there is wine64 and wine32 using backports. |
| 10:23.23 | xrogaan | I assume you're running a 64bit system. If you want to use 32bit wine, you need wine32 |
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| 10:23.47 | user844842 | greetings o/ i want to increase the polling rate on my joystick. following the archwiki and other guides have not helped |
| 10:24.04 | rhy | Hi! Just got a fresh Devuan install, with MATE, how do I enable Compiz? |
| 10:24.08 | rhy | Thanks in advance. |
| 10:24.15 | xrogaan | rhy: install it? |
| 10:24.23 | rhy | I installed it. |
| 10:24.28 | rhy | But it's not running by default. |
| 10:24.37 | xrogaan | compiz is the window manager, so you have to select compiz instead of whatever mate is using. |
| 10:24.41 | kappa | thanks for the forum link |
| 10:24.52 | user844842 | you can do it in gui rhy . system > preferences > look feel > mate tweak > windows |
| 10:25.04 | user844842 | maybe you need mate-tweak :D |
| 10:25.28 | user844842 | oh excuse me i'm thinking of a compositor |
| 10:25.36 | user844842 | please ignore that |
| 10:25.39 | rhy | Ah.... I think I need mate tweak. Thanks. |
| 10:25.41 | xrogaan | rhy: that or kill the current manager and launch compiz through the cli |
| 10:26.23 | xrogaan | kappa: I assume you want to run 32bit apps through wine, correct? |
| 10:26.30 | kappa | yes |
| 10:27.16 | rhy | I think mate-tweak will work.... |
| 10:27.24 | rhy | Gotta config compiz a bit better first. :D |
| 10:28.07 | xrogaan | kappa: you need wine32 and wine64 installed, through backports if you are running ascii. |
| 10:28.45 | kappa | i'm on beowulf now |
| 10:28.45 | xrogaan | after the dpkg --add-architecture i386. |
| 10:28.48 | rhy | Hmmmm Now I cannot drag windows around. LOL |
| 10:29.01 | xrogaan | But wine *should* warn you do install wine32 anyway. |
| 10:29.08 | kappa | it does |
| 10:29.19 | kappa | and that's exactly what i try to do |
| 10:29.38 | xrogaan | don't forget to do `apt update' |
| 10:29.52 | kappa | but i get errors similar to this post https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2987 |
| 10:30.02 | kappa | i did an apt update immediately |
| 10:30.18 | rhy | Is there an easy way to install OBS-Studio? |
| 10:30.34 | xrogaan | kappa: don't use :i386 |
| 10:30.39 | xrogaan | just apt install wine32 |
| 10:31.10 | kappa | it can't be installed without i386 though |
| 10:31.46 | kappa | when i try installing wine32 without i386 enabled, it just says the package isn't there |
| 10:31.49 | rhy | brb... maybe logout and login will fix issues. :D |
| 10:32.24 | kappa | but when i do enable it, it falls for all of those dependency issues |
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| 10:32.58 | kappa | similar to the forum post i linked, it looks like some i386 packages try to replace the amd64 ones |
| 10:33.11 | rhy | logging off and logging in did not solve my issues. |
| 10:33.16 | kappa | but i'm not sure how to resolve that |
| 10:33.26 | rhy | Basically, most of the keyboard shortcuts in compiz are not working, and I can't drag windows. |
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| 10:35.16 | kappa | rhy: i think that you can you can set compiz as default in mate sission properties |
| 10:35.25 | kappa | dammit, he left |
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| 10:36.04 | kappa | hey rhy |
| 10:36.06 | xrogaan | kappa: try to install the wine package then? |
| 10:36.10 | rhy | Reboot did not help. :) |
| 10:36.13 | rhy | lol |
| 10:36.18 | kappa | hey try this |
| 10:36.28 | kappa | i'll just copypaste ti here |
| 10:36.32 | xrogaan | apt-cache depends wine < tells me it depends on both wine64 and wine32 |
| 10:36.52 | kappa | yup, i installed wine |
| 10:37.22 | kappa | rhy: try going to startup applications in your system preferences |
| 10:37.27 | kappa | if you're using mate |
| 10:37.41 | xrogaan | in doubt, try synaptic? |
| 10:37.50 | rhy | DOH! I didn't have the Move Window plugin enabled. |
| 10:37.54 | rhy | face palms. |
| 10:38.08 | kappa | rhy: "In the dialog click Add. The command should take the syntax wm-name --replace. " |
| 10:38.20 | kappa | that's what some guide i found says |
| 10:38.35 | rhy | I think it's all working now.... LOL |
| 10:38.53 | kappa | xrogaan: i installed the wine package |
| 10:39.02 | kappa | and it installed wine64 |
| 10:39.31 | rhy | The only thing not working now is the Rotate Cube shortcuts. |
| 10:39.36 | kappa | i guess i'll try installing synaptic to see if it can fix it |
| 10:40.11 | xrogaan | honestly, apt install wine32 should have worked. |
| 10:40.46 | xrogaan | try to force the install? |
| 10:41.36 | xrogaan | both i386 and amd64 packages needs to have the same version. If they diverge, apt will refuse to install. |
| 10:45.38 | kappa | what option do i use to force the install? |
| 10:48.16 | kappa | i get that apt refuses to install, but i'm not sure what can i do about it |
| 10:50.30 | kappa | i tried "apt install --allow-downgrade wine32, but nothing changed |
| 10:50.31 | rhy | Hmmmmm Figured out the root cause: It's only allowing me to have 1 workspace. |
| 10:50.35 | rhy | So there IS no cube. |
| 10:51.34 | xrogaan | apt -f install wine32 |
| 10:52.08 | xrogaan | dry run it first |
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| 10:52.28 | xrogaan | -f is "fix broken" |
| 10:52.38 | kappa | i tried that originally |
| 10:52.42 | xrogaan | oh ok |
| 10:52.52 | kappa | what do you mean by dry run? |
| 10:53.08 | rhy | wine32 has no installation candidate. |
| 10:53.10 | rhy | :/ |
| 10:53.27 | kappa | yeah, that happens if you haven't added the i386 arch |
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| 10:55.09 | xrogaan | Dimulate the thing with --simulate |
| 10:56.20 | xrogaan | aliases are --just-print --dry-run --recon --no-act |
| 10:56.59 | xrogaan | would purging wine then installing wine32 first work? |
| 10:57.04 | rhy | Weird.... I can't add more workspaces no matter what I do. |
| 10:57.40 | rhy | Switching back to Marco, I'm fine. |
| 10:58.19 | kappa | i'll try |
| 10:58.48 | rhy | How do I enable i386 architecture? |
| 10:59.26 | xrogaan | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update |
| 11:00.11 | kappa | nope, didn't work, same dependency issues happen, it just prints out a screenful of unmet dependencies |
| 11:00.47 | kappa | like so |
| 11:00.53 | kappa | wine32:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.28) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:02.00 | kappa | weirdly enough tho, most of them are for libqt5gui5 but i don't think that's the issue, wine32 still has it's dependency issues |
| 11:06.49 | xrogaan | why can't it be installed? |
| 11:07.50 | xrogaan | kappa: is there a multiarch-support package available? |
| 11:08.28 | kappa | yes, but it's apparently lready installed |
| 11:09.15 | rhy | Wine installed perfectly for me... It's late... I'll be back to play Monday morning. |
| 11:09.19 | rhy | Thanks for the help! |
| 11:09.20 | rhy | <3 |
| 11:09.38 | kappa | i'm not sure why it can't be installed |
| 11:10.02 | kappa | but here's what happens when i try to install to simulate installing the dependencies themselves |
| 11:11.08 | rhy | What I'm working on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwIm25-Ruk |
| 11:11.09 | xrogaan | maybe you have a dirty not configured package somewhere |
| 11:11.23 | kappa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.40 | kappa | could be, something definitely seems messed up |
| 11:12.16 | kappa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.41 | xrogaan | dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii' |
| 11:13.49 | kappa | when i try to install THAT package (gcc-8-base:i386) it lireally threatens to remove gcc, clang, most of base-devel, and a few other important packages |
| 11:15.16 | kappa | wait, are the packages in the list that that command spits out broken? |
| 11:15.23 | xrogaan | no |
| 11:15.49 | xrogaan | it shows you what package isn't installed. Could be config file left behind and the like |
| 11:16.04 | xrogaan | rc means configuration files remains |
| 11:16.16 | kappa | i don't know that much about dpkg, but that command gives out a long list of rc's |
| 11:16.24 | kappa | so should i purge them somehow? |
| 11:16.56 | xrogaan | config files don't create problems, they're just remnants. |
| 11:18.18 | xrogaan | you can ignore them with: dpkg -l | egrep -v '^(ii|rc)' |
| 11:20.10 | kappa | well, when i exclude both ii and rc, nothing remains |
| 11:20.19 | xrogaan | you're fine then |
| 11:22.53 | xrogaan | dpkg -l libc6? |
| 11:24.28 | xrogaan | maybe some i386 packages are installed and are blocking |
| 11:24.41 | xrogaan | dpkg -l | grep :i386 |
| 11:24.49 | kappa | gives me this |
| 11:24.57 | kappa | ii libc6:amd64 2.29-3 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:25.34 | kappa | wait |
| 11:25.55 | kappa | when i do it without the colon (:) it does give me a line |
| 11:26.15 | kappa | ii libc6-i386 2.29-3 amd64 GNU C Library: 32-bit shared libraries for AMD64 |
| 11:26.34 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep \:i386 |
| 11:26.47 | gnarface | it is expecting a regexp and the : character is syntactical |
| 11:26.56 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.58 | xrogaan | right |
| 11:27.18 | xrogaan | gnarface: works for me though |
| 11:27.37 | xrogaan | using grep 3.3 |
| 11:27.53 | gnarface | interesting |
| 11:28.01 | kappa | welp, since just "i386" gives me one line, without a colon, trying to include it could give me anything new |
| 11:28.04 | gnarface | terminal difference maybe? |
| 11:28.20 | kappa | though i tried both |
| 11:28.35 | kappa | trying to include it couldN'T* |
| 11:31.26 | xrogaan | well, might be a devuan problem then? |
| 11:31.45 | xrogaan | the forum do seem to say that there is an issue with dependency |
| 11:33.36 | kappa | i'm thinking about just adding a ppa or something, maybe that'll work |
| 11:33.44 | xrogaan | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2987 |
| 11:34.39 | xrogaan | libuuid1 is a devuan fork |
| 11:39.06 | gnarface | hmmm, i'm on ceres |
| 11:40.47 | kappa | so, is there anything i can do to downgrade all of the packages that have different versions based on the arch? |
| 11:41.27 | gnarface | probably, but nothing i can recite off the top of my head |
| 11:49.24 | gnarface | i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, but it sounds like it might be a good job for a short bash script |
| 11:50.18 | kappa | i'm just trying to install wine :'''''''''''( |
| 11:56.59 | kappa | just tried grabbing from one of the wine ppa's |
| 11:57.05 | kappa | literally nothing's changed |
| 11:57.56 | gnarface | you're trying to install an ubuntu wine into devuan stable? |
| 11:58.12 | gnarface | that won't work |
| 11:58.21 | gnarface | not reliably anyway |
| 11:59.24 | gnarface | if you can't use wine from the repos, you should try the winehq one for debian unstable instead, on devuan testing or unstable |
| 11:59.49 | gnarface | but any time you use packages from a 3rd party repo you're increasing the risk of breaking stuff |
| 12:00.11 | gnarface | in the case of ubuntu ppas, significantly |
| 12:00.40 | kappa | debian is what i've tried |
| 12:00.50 | kappa | but i've already removed it |
| 12:01.08 | kappa | i'm not sure if any subsequent update could eventually solve this |
| 12:01.23 | kappa | and maybe i could just wait around for it |
| 12:01.33 | kappa | cuz nothing else seems to be working |
| 12:02.36 | gnarface | what is it exactly that isn't working? |
| 12:05.54 | debdog | from what I can see here, I've installed wine-bin:i386 and the rest was pulled in automagically. but that was a long time ago, prolly pre-Jessie. but haven't had any wine related issues during upgrades. |
| 12:06.24 | gnarface | it should just be wine, or wine-development |
| 12:06.25 | debdog | *hadn't had (I think) |
| 12:06.36 | debdog | well, should⢠|
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| 12:06.47 | gnarface | wine-development for the newer one |
| 12:07.02 | gnarface | from the repos anyway |
| 12:07.11 | gnarface | from winehq it's wine-staging or winehq-staging (same thing i think) |
| 12:09.32 | kappa | i installed wine, which pulled wine64, with no problem |
| 12:09.52 | kappa | once i added the i386 arch, and tried to install wine32 however |
| 12:10.27 | kappa | things went south, it seems that a lot of the dependencies of wine have different versions in amd64 and i386 |
| 12:10.42 | kappa | and apt therefore refuses to install anything |
| 12:12.49 | kappa | if i try installing some indirect dependency of wine32:i386 that doesn't have it's own dependency problems, since it's a i386 program, with a different version from the amd64 equivalent, it can only be installed by deleting the amd64 version |
| 12:15.11 | gnarface | so, i had added the i386 arch ahead of time, so when i installed wine it installed the wine32 and wine64 both correctly together |
| 12:15.34 | gnarface | then i figured out it was too old and i purged it all and installed wine-development instead |
| 12:16.43 | kappa | i've tried the same, purging all the *wine* packages then, with an added architecture installing |
| 12:17.01 | kappa | all that meant is i was completely unable to install wine altogether |
| 12:17.24 | gnarface | you remembered to "apt-get update" after adding the second arch, right? |
| 12:17.45 | kappa | yup |
| 12:17.54 | gnarface | mixing in the ubuntu repos may have pulled in other related stuff that's causing trouble |
| 12:21.09 | user844842 | hey o/ i'd like to modify,rebuild my usbhid module. any particular guide to recommend? |
| 12:21.19 | kappa | i didn't mix the ubuntu ones tho, but the debian ones |
| 12:21.30 | kappa | but doesn't seem like it's pulled anything in |
| 12:23.31 | gnarface | you didn't say something about a ppa? |
| 12:23.41 | gnarface | debian doesn't have ppa's, those are from ubuntu |
| 12:24.28 | kappa | i used the wrong term, sry |
| 12:24.46 | kappa | i meant the winehq repos for debian |
| 12:25.01 | gnarface | user844842: i think you can just run "make" inside the module directory in a freshly built kernel source, after you make your source edits |
| 12:25.36 | gnarface | kappa: which version of debian's wine did you pick for it? note that they're *all* too new for ascii |
| 12:26.10 | user844842 | thank you gnarface. will apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) get my kernel source? not sure about apt-get or apt here |
| 12:26.11 | gnarface | kappa: sorry i mean which winehq repo for which debian version? |
| 12:26.22 | kappa | deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main |
| 12:26.32 | gnarface | user844842: yes, none of that stuff has been changed from debian |
| 12:26.34 | kappa | though ii'm on beowulf |
| 12:26.42 | user844842 | thank you again |
| 12:26.57 | gnarface | user844842: no problem. have fun :) |
| 12:27.42 | gnarface | kappa: last i tried it, though it has been a few weeks, the bullseye one worked for me on ceres... i think i tried the buster one and it did not |
| 12:28.44 | gnarface | kappa: the bullseye version of wine-staging or winehq-staging (they should both point to the same thing but double-check the versions) |
| 12:29.03 | kappa | well, i guess i'll try the bullseye, and if that doesn't work i'll try stretch |
| 12:29.46 | kappa | but at this point i don't think any of it will work, it still depends on stuff from my main devuan repo |
| 12:29.58 | gnarface | it might just be broken in debian right now |
| 12:30.14 | gnarface | wine breaks a LOT |
| 12:31.52 | gnarface | you could also try a test install in a debootstrapped chroot |
| 12:32.21 | gnarface | just to verify that it's not a symptom of you mangling your package tree by installing an ubuntu version of apt somehow or something of that scale of disaster |
| 12:32.37 | kappa | the bullseye one didn't work, still exact same problem |
| 12:32.58 | gnarface | yea, try the chroot thing unless you're really bandwidth constrained. time to see if you actually hosed your dependency tree |
| 12:33.48 | user844842 | geez where was the source unpacked too |
| 12:34.04 | gnarface | user844842: subdirectory of the current directory |
| 12:34.04 | kappa | whel, this is gonna be fun |
| 12:35.10 | kappa | i need debootstrap and schroot for that right? |
| 12:35.26 | gnarface | regular chroot worked for me, but it probably has to be debootstrap from devuan not debian |
| 12:40.10 | kappa | i'm gonna new to make a new partition for this right? |
| 12:40.57 | gnarface | no |
| 12:42.10 | kappa | ok i'm confused |
| 12:42.42 | gnarface | you just debootstrap into an empty directory |
| 12:43.32 | gnarface | then you chroot into that directory |
| 12:44.09 | gnarface | then while you're chrooted into it, it's like a fresh install, from the package tree's perspective anyway |
| 12:45.01 | gnarface | so as far as apt is concerned it's a fresh install and then if you install the distro native wine *in there* after enabling multi-arch first, and it STILL blows up, you know it's a problem with wine and not something self-inflicted on your install from mixing repos |
| 12:45.36 | gnarface | if you have a vm setup that would work just as well but it's overkill |
| 12:48.56 | gnarface | in fact, if you can figure out how to make debootstrap enable multiarch by default then you can probably just --include=wine and test the problem right from debootstrap without even needing to chroot in |
| 12:49.45 | gnarface | for wine and a base install you probably will need a gigabyte or two of free disk space but you won't need a separate partition |
| 12:51.45 | user844842 | gnarface: thank you again for walking me through this. i made my edits |
| 12:51.47 | user844842 | but uhh |
| 12:52.22 | kappa | will this command do it "sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 beowulf ~/devuan_install/ http://deb.devuan.org/merged/" |
| 12:52.23 | user844842 | seems like i'll have to remake everything? not sure how to modularize |
| 12:52.57 | gnarface | user844842: i think the trick of just running "make" in the driver directory to rebuild the module alone might need the whole source to already be built, but it may only need it to be configured |
| 12:53.20 | gnarface | user844842: it definitely will not work if it's not even configured, i remember that much for sure |
| 12:53.24 | user844842 | not important but edits were to usbhid/hid-core.c a la https://superuser.com/a/1237222 |
| 12:53.37 | user844842 | ok thank you very much i will read more now gnarface |
| 12:53.37 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.58 | gnarface | user844842: sorry, writing kernel patches is beyond me. i can't help you more. you're welcome and good luck |
| 12:54.17 | user844842 | are you sure it's a kernel patch? |
| 12:54.34 | gnarface | kappa: looks right i think for installing, though "--arch=amd64" should be the default if you're on amd64 |
| 12:54.40 | gnarface | user844842: uh... no>? |
| 12:54.52 | kappa | i need to chroot BEFORE right? |
| 12:54.57 | user844842 | ok :D i'll keep trying here o/ |
| 12:55.07 | gnarface | kappa: no, you would chroot into that directory after debootstrap completes |
| 12:55.17 | kappa | okay |
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| 13:19.48 | kappa | wow, the chrooted install has pretty much the same problem |
| 13:20.02 | kappa | i installed it, chrooted in, and installed wine with no problem |
| 13:20.36 | kappa | so i guess it's just a problem with devuan |
| 13:21.11 | kappa | so, i don't think there's much i can do to fix it |
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| 13:26.22 | kappa | do i just wait around for new versions of packages until the discrepancies between architectures are fixed or what? |
| 13:31.45 | gnarface | unless you wanna build them yourself |
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| 13:32.00 | gnarface | i don't know what's up right now, if there's some problem or not |
| 13:32.17 | gnarface | you confirmed that the problem occurs in a devuan chroot but not a debian chroot? |
| 13:32.24 | gnarface | that would be worthy of filing a bug report |
| 13:32.32 | gnarface | at bugs.devuan.org |
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| 13:36.05 | kappa | i didn't try a debian chroot |
| 13:37.09 | kappa | actually, i'll do them both, again, since i've erased the devuan one |
| 13:37.38 | kappa | then i'll report it if i get different results |
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| 18:31.06 | golinux | <kappa> [07:26:22] do i just wait around for new versions of packages until the discrepancies between architectures are fixed or wha |
| 18:31.16 | golinux | Yes |
| 18:31.58 | kappa | thanks, that's basically what i've decided to do |
| 18:32.16 | golinux | Or install a 32bit OS |
| 18:32.22 | kappa | i've found this bugs happens on a vanilla debootstrapped install of devuan beowulf as well |
| 18:32.28 | kappa | bug* |
| 18:32.29 | golinux | Maybe that would work. |
| 18:32.45 | kappa | but NOT on debian buster |
| 18:33.20 | kappa | well, yeah, but i'm not gonna rekt my entire OS just to install wine |
| 18:33.38 | golinux | You could do a vm |
| 18:34.20 | golinux | until it hets fixed. |
| 18:35.43 | kappa | theoretically yeah, but my computer's kind of a potato, so i doubt it could handle running windows in a vm, or another linux install |
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| 18:44.33 | specing | Ah, potato computing |
| 18:44.58 | specing | In one of the games I play, we lost half the player base moving on with graphics technology |
| 18:45.05 | specing | due to* |
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| 18:50.46 | kappa | what game, if i may ask? |
| 19:00.30 | kappa | should i report the bug to devuan |
| 19:00.32 | kappa | ? |
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| 19:35.52 | golinux | kappa: We are aware of it. |
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| 20:03.05 | kappa | oh, ok then |
| 20:05.51 | specing | kappa: Spring:1944 |
| 20:06.10 | kappa | ? |
| 20:07.06 | specing | > kappa | what game, if i may ask? |
| 20:07.13 | kappa | oooh |
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| 23:03.31 | agris | is that the game with the pixels? |
| 23:11.43 | specing | pixels? No, it is a world war II RTS |
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