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| 06:11.27 | systemdlete | lost sound on my laptop -- I think there is a solution, but i forgot. |
| 06:11.44 | systemdlete | aplay works at command line, just browsers have no sound |
| 06:11.56 | systemdlete | ascii, with all the latest updates |
| 06:12.27 | systemdlete | I tried running each browser with apulse also, no sound |
| 06:12.53 | systemdlete | (sound WAS working for some time on ascii on my laptop) |
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| 08:03.01 | gnarface | systemdlete: did you have a custom ~/.asoundrc maybe and deleted it accidentally? |
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| 12:41.03 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I don't want to troll but have to say that the new Devuan is a huge step backwards, compared with the first version. The desktop and menu are horrible eg icon-labels are not readable (consist of 4-6 letters or overlap other icons or are overlapped by the taskbar, many menu-items are under the wrong category etc. The first impression is really disappointing. |
| 12:41.18 | buZz | osdfhaoehgsdahgo: are you talking about XFCE? |
| 12:41.20 | buZz | or what |
| 12:41.23 | buZz | LXDE? |
| 12:41.24 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | yes |
| 12:41.25 | buZz | gnome? |
| 12:41.27 | buZz | yes? |
| 12:41.28 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | xfce |
| 12:41.35 | buZz | ok, havent looked at XFCE in ages |
| 12:41.46 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I think nobody did, or will |
| 12:41.53 | buZz | you are talking about the unreleased devuan version beowulf? |
| 12:42.03 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I was so impressed with the first Devuan |
| 12:42.10 | r3boot | osdfhaoehgsdahgo: you know, one of the nicest things about FLOSS, is that you can contribute yourself |
| 12:42.18 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I'm talking about the ASCII version |
| 12:42.31 | r3boot | So did you already file a bug report? |
| 12:42.43 | buZz | osdfhaoehgsdahgo: you mean, you liked ascii's default xfce themes? |
| 12:44.02 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I don't care about themes, I care about normal thing eg that an icon is identifiable, labels are readable, that a menu has some logic etc |
| 12:44.29 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | It just a first impression, without touching/clicking anything |
| 12:47.30 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | I don't like to be negative but had to tell, although I think no one really cares about trivial things. |
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| 12:48.08 | r3boot | osdfhaoehgsdahgo: a lot of people care about it actually. The amount of people that reports it otoh is very slim, so in the end, not that much gets changed |
| 12:48.26 | r3boot | so, get your bugreport in, work with the devs, and fix it for all of us |
| 12:51.24 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | r3boot: :) I don't consider this all as bugs but as bad development. Filing bug report about such trivial things is a waist of time if the reason why everyone neglect this basic rules is not clear to me. |
| 12:52.00 | r3boot | osdfhaoehgsdahgo: complaining about it on irc doesnt help a lot as well ;) |
| 12:52.20 | osdfhaoehgsdahgo | Thanks for reacting. I don't want to continue talking negative and wish you all good luck with ... |
| 12:52.35 | r3boot | hey, just trying to make devuan better for all of us |
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| 12:54.14 | r3boot | (I love it that he used knoppix to report this ;') |
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| 20:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats! |
| 20:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic update due? |
| 20:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least s/2.0/2.1/ ? Give me a go |
| 20:19.30 | nemo | oh neat. new release |
| 20:19.39 | nemo | DocScrutinizer05: do I need to do anything on existing ascii devuan machines? |
| 20:19.55 | fsmithred | nemo, no. Just regular update/upgrade will do it. |
| 20:20.00 | nemo | cool |
| 20:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nemo: sorry I'm completely out of the loop, busy with unrelated stuff since ages |
| 20:20.27 | fsmithred | What's new is that the installer isos have been rebuilt, so they are current. |
| 20:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: topic update? |
| 20:20.36 | nemo | spent a little bit of time unbreaking my SO's machine today btw |
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| 20:20.52 | nemo | she suddenly needed virtualbox, and I'd updated the kernel with apt-get update -t ascii-updates |
| 20:21.04 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, you can change 2.0 to 2.1 now. Thanks. |
| 20:21.14 | nemo | apparently that does not result in updating the headers unless you explicitly ask for them in -t ascii-updates too |
| 20:21.17 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
| 20:21.20 | nemo | so had 4.9 headers and 4.19 kernel |
| 20:21.21 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 20:21.33 | nemo | didn't help that I read 4.19 as 4.9 at first ⺠|
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| 21:18.00 | malade_mental | just wanted to congratulate you for the 2.1 release, and for the choice of OpenRC which I use on gentoo and artixlinux since several years, and that is a very good default choice that is not frustrating for initV users |
| 21:18.11 | malade_mental | BRAVO! |
| 21:19.50 | fsmithred | malade_mental, thanks for the kind words, but the default is still sysvinit. If you want openrc, you can choose that during the install. |
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| 21:24.31 | malade_mental | huh, that's even better! |
| 21:25.13 | fsmithred | we like choice |
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| 21:39.00 | dbristow | Finally there is someone who is seeding the 2.1 torrent |
| 21:39.17 | dbristow | I hope they stay around until I finish downloading the whole torrent |
| 21:39.29 | fsmithred | 20GB |
| 21:39.36 | dbristow | 23.11 technically |
| 21:39.44 | fsmithred | yeah, that sounds better |
| 21:39.49 | dbristow | At least that's what transmission says the size is |
| 21:40.11 | dbristow | I've got 5.39G so far and if the seed stays around at this rate I will finish downloading in about 3 hours |
| 21:43.18 | dbristow | I was stuck at about 2.11G for several days though |
| 21:43.48 | fsmithred | probably nobody was seeding then |
| 21:43.57 | dbristow | Yup. |
| 21:44.13 | dbristow | once I finish downloading I usually seed until my ratio is 3.0 |
| 21:44.22 | fsmithred | thanks |
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| 21:44.38 | dbristow | with the size of this torrent looks like that will take a while :( |
| 21:45.16 | fsmithred | I think most people just download one iso |
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| 21:47.06 | dbristow | Well, if you broke up the torrent into individual torrents for each iso, I would too. |
| 21:47.35 | dbristow | One thing I wish torrent had was the original modification date of the files. |
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| 22:02.22 | xrogaan | announcment on DNG about the release of 2.1. Isn't it a bit late? |
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| 22:04.43 | fsmithred | xrogaan, nope. It's just right. |
| 22:05.10 | xrogaan | I thought it was released weeks ago :P |
| 22:05.20 | fsmithred | there were isos a couple weeks ago. |
| 22:05.33 | fsmithred | but the installer isos were replaced with better ones |
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| 22:29.32 | xrogaan | gotcha |
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| 22:50.06 | systemdlete | hello |
| 22:51.08 | systemdlete | the Ascii 2.1 release notes do not seem to expressly state how to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1; they DO say how to upgrade from Beta or RC, though. Is it correct to assume the same applies to existing 2.0 installs? |
| 22:51.18 | systemdlete | Or is doing an update enough to get 2.1? |
| 22:51.34 | systemdlete | is trying hard, very hard, to follow instructions! |
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| 23:02.07 | golinux | <systemdlete> Or is doing an update enough to get 2.1? |
| 23:02.52 | golinux | Yes. update and upgrade like you would normally. You don't have to do anything special. |
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| 23:03.42 | systemdlete | so no dist-upgrade needed -- that would be to go from, say, ascii to beowulf then, right? |
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| 23:05.13 | tme520 | Hi there |
| 23:05.20 | golinux | I'm not sure actually. I think it would depend what's in your sources.list. Can't you check to see what release you're running? I'd use hardinfo for that/ |
| 23:07.13 | systemdlete | This is interesting. My ascii-vm now boots to a blank screen; logging out of the last session left me with a blank/hung screen. This is in a vbox VM. Didn't have that problem previously. |
| 23:07.22 | systemdlete | the dm is slim, btw |
| 23:08.06 | systemdlete | I have not changed slim options, or any other desktop config recently in that VM. I did, however, try to force re-install slim to see if that might make the blank boot up go away and bring back the dm |
| 23:08.34 | systemdlete | scratches his head, trying to recall if he made any recent mods but nothing comes to mind. |
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| 23:08.58 | systemdlete | I also note that postfix did not come up on the host, also running ascii, when I rebooted the host system 3 days ago. |
| 23:09.06 | systemdlete | (still looking at that) |
| 23:10.15 | systemdlete | running startx from command line (in tty2) works fine. I get my normal xfce desktop. |
| 23:11.19 | systemdlete | ... switching back to tty7, that screen is still blank and hanging |
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| 23:11.33 | systemdlete | So something having to do with slim I guess |
| 23:13.58 | systemdlete | Looks like some issue with AIGLX? drmDropMaster failure |
| 23:14.11 | golinux | Look at the 2.0.0 release notes. They must be around somewhere . . . |
| 23:14.31 | golinux | I don;t have time to dig atm |
| 23:14.42 | golinux | Will do so later. |
| 23:14.51 | systemdlete | I'm up-to-date, which I thought you said brings me to 2.1 ascii? |
| 23:15.02 | systemdlete | OK, thanks. |
| 23:15.10 | golinux | It should |
| 23:15.31 | systemdlete | so 2.0.0 release notes would be somewhat non-relevant now? |
| 23:16.01 | systemdlete | I mean, the VM has worked for a long time... ever since I built that vbox |
| 23:16.37 | golinux | I'm really the wrong person to tackle an issue like this. I'm more of the loibrarian. |
| 23:16.48 | golinux | -o |
| 23:16.59 | systemdlete | np, thanks for your input |
| 23:17.22 | systemdlete | googling this issue; seems others have encoutnered it also |
| 23:17.35 | golinux | The backend stuff that would affect slim I think are also in the 2.1 release notes. |
| 23:18.09 | golinux | I get confused between what's in the release notes and the announcement. |
| 23:19.01 | golinux | Here you go. I'll bbl http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 23:19.36 | golinux | Look for: - Session management and policykit backends |
| 23:20.27 | systemdlete | Yeah, I found that already. But why is it saying that "What's new" includes the 4.9.0-9 linux-image? I only have -7 and -11 images |
| 23:20.57 | systemdlete | nvm. I read that too quickly. |
| 23:21.03 | systemdlete | I have -9 and -11, indeed. |
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| 23:25.06 | systemdlete | aha... I see what you are saying. The Release Notes do include stuff for 2.1, and they do say that Kernel Mode Setting is required... I'll look at that |
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| 23:33.05 | systemdlete | Now it is working again. Needs_root_rights=yes added to the Xwrapper.conf file, as per release notes. Thank you for pointing this out. |
| 23:33.36 | systemdlete | I usually ignore the release notes for most distros because, historically, I have rarely had issues. |
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| 23:36.40 | systemdlete | After reboot, however, the problem re-appears. No DM (i.e., no slim). the wrapper file still has the change I made. |
| 23:36.44 | systemdlete | ??? |
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| 23:49.46 | systemdlete | I was wrong. It DOES come up... after a long recess! |
| 23:51.37 | systemdlete | it does NOT, however, save my resolution. In fact, when I switch from full screen to window mode, it goes back to 800x600. When I boot, I get 800x600 also. |
| 23:53.32 | systemdlete | nomodeset does not help really |
| 23:53.47 | systemdlete | It still takes eternity for the DM to appear |
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| 23:56.07 | systemdlete | well, nomodeset DOES restore my resolution in windowed mode. But it still takes forever to come up. |
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