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| 02:04.02 | fling | Can I convert any debian version? |
| 02:04.21 | fsmithred | can you be more specific? |
| 02:05.33 | fling | I'm thinking to convert few debians to devuan |
| 02:05.40 | fling | They could be of a random version. |
| 02:05.49 | fsmithred | etch? |
| 02:06.01 | fling | maybe |
| 02:06.04 | fsmithred | jessie or stretch will work |
| 02:06.05 | MinceR | /usr/bin/wololo |
| 02:06.34 | fling | No such file or directory |
| 02:06.39 | fsmithred | buster can work or can be hell, depending on how you do it |
| 02:06.42 | MinceR | it was a joke |
| 02:07.44 | fling | Is there a good guide? |
| 02:07.58 | fsmithred | yeah, hang on |
| 02:08.01 | fling | thanks |
| 02:08.52 | fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii |
| 02:09.17 | fsmithred | buster would migrate to beowulf, but beowulf hasn't been released yet |
| 02:10.00 | fling | ok |
| 02:12.40 | fling | will use wololo too, thanks |
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| 02:22.45 | fling | Is there another app for creating models from detected images? |
| 02:24.01 | fsmithred | other than what? |
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| 02:25.18 | fling | wololo only detects faces |
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| 02:28.10 | MinceR | lol |
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| 16:05.01 | waynedpj | ahoy all. is it possible install a >5 linux kernel in Devuan via apt/etc? i have to test out Btrfs swapfile support. thanks. |
| 16:06.31 | mason | waynedpj: You can presumably use the normal Debian make-kpkg to do it, but because it's not tied to the bleeding-edge kernel, I'd note that ZFS works with whatever kernel version you've already got. |
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| 16:11.29 | waynedpj | mason thanks i will take a look at that (i am new to the Debian/Devuan world). |
| 16:12.01 | mason | waynedpj: If your goal is BtrFS you'll want to look at make-kpkg first, but it's worth knowing what options exist. |
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| 16:17.25 | GyrosGeier | I had lots of trouble with swapfiles, even without bringing btrfs into the mix |
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| 16:32.25 | waynedpj | @mason i have some experience with Btrfs so will try that first, but thanks for the pointer. |
| 16:33.23 | waynedpj | should the make-kpkg generated kernel basically "plug and play" into a running Devuan stable 2.1 system i.e. generate the kernel package and then apt install it? |
| 16:33.34 | GyrosGeier | yes |
| 16:33.44 | GyrosGeier | the kernel doesn't have systemd integration |
| 16:34.00 | mason | yet |
| 16:34.04 | GyrosGeier | and the one place where it should have, the systemd people decided they didn't want it after all |
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| 16:34.27 | mason | kdbus was knocked down by the kernel developers, not the systemd folk |
| 16:34.34 | GyrosGeier | Lennart's bootloader is useful though |
| 16:35.06 | GyrosGeier | except that the link that adds freshly installed kernels to systemd-boot is broken |
| 16:35.32 | GyrosGeier | kdbus was largely knocked down because it's a variant of netlink |
| 16:35.44 | GyrosGeier | and if they wanted, they could just use netlink instead |
| 16:35.55 | mason | Who needs a bootloader when we have the kernel UEFI stub now? |
| 16:36.01 | GyrosGeier | but then they'd have to actually define an interface and everything |
| 16:36.26 | GyrosGeier | true |
| 16:36.47 | GyrosGeier | but one still needs to make sure the kernel is copied to the ESP and properly registered |
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| 16:37.35 | GyrosGeier | a minimal bootloader that pulls that information from the filesystem instead of the EFI environment, and that offers commandline edit is still useful |
| 16:37.47 | mason | Not hard to do, though. Lately I have efibootmgr entries for each disk in my boot mirror, and for the previous version of the kernel/initramfs. |
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| 16:38.15 | GyrosGeier | is your solution packaged, and why not? |
| 16:38.24 | mason | Yeah, that could be useful given the wild variability in UEFI implementations. Not all of them give you a UEFI shell. |
| 16:38.44 | mason | GyrosGeier: I've documented it a couple times. It needs more polish. |
| 16:39.16 | mason | GyrosGeier: My hope is to eventually get it into the actual installer, or at least a usable fork thereof. |
| 16:39.28 | GyrosGeier | well |
| 16:39.52 | GyrosGeier | all the installer needs is a package to install that registers in the appropriate place |
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| 16:40.07 | mason | I've seen folks hook into automated updates too, but I haven't done that yet. |
| 16:40.18 | mason | Still manual here. |
| 16:40.52 | GyrosGeier | ls /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ |
| 16:41.04 | GyrosGeier | just add a script there |
| 16:42.07 | mason | GyrosGeier: I will at some point. |
| 16:42.56 | mason | GyrosGeier: FWIW, the guts of the script would be similar to: https://bpaste.net/P4SA |
| 16:43.10 | mason | so fairly trivial, which is actually why I haven't bothered automating it yet |
| 16:43.54 | mason | Some scaffolding to compare checksums to see if something has actually changed would be a nice addition, I guess, so you don't end up with the main and .old versions being identical. |
| 16:44.24 | GyrosGeier | .old is supposed to be a different version number |
| 16:44.25 | mason | More clearly, "am I copying in something new?" |
| 16:44.30 | GyrosGeier | that is what apt does as well |
| 16:45.17 | GyrosGeier | there is special handling in apt that says "for packages matching 'kernel-image-*' keep the last two versions" |
| 16:45.32 | GyrosGeier | (when automatically installed) |
| 16:45.36 | mason | Yeah, plugging into that would make sense. |
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| 17:11.31 | fsmithred | damn, I'm too late. He's gone. |
| 17:11.44 | fsmithred | there's a 5.3 kernel in beowulf-backports |
| 17:35.03 | mason | doh |
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| 17:50.34 | golinux | And there's an issue in FF that there is no space after the dyne logo and following text. Pale moon and chromium are fine. |
| 17:50.52 | golinux | Ooops/ wrong channel |
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| 18:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBq7VMIkgPk TLBLEED |
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| 18:55.15 | specing | DocScrutinizer05: What do you think of the pinephone? It seems to be a consumer phone designed for consumers but says it is for developers ... ?! |
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| 18:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | specing: I didn't look into it |
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