| 00:09.00 | fsmithred | avbox, I can install falkon but it crashes when I run it. Here's the terminal output: https://termbin.com/33ke |
| 00:09.10 | fsmithred | I don't have any beowulf with libsystemd0 right now |
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| 00:36.04 | tuxd3v | alright guys... Loongson3A4000 is out in pre-sales :) |
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| 00:36.22 | tuxd3v | the last big CPU made in europe( France/Italy ) |
| 00:36.26 | tuxd3v | 20nm |
| 00:36.33 | tuxd3v | 28nm |
| 00:36.56 | tuxd3v | After 3A4000 production will shift to Asia unfortunatly |
| 00:37.04 | tuxd3v | Sales start on 15 February |
| 00:37.20 | tuxd3v | mips64 |
| 00:37.48 | tuxd3v | with lots of things from mips64r7 :) |
| 00:38.12 | tuxd3v | now.. only 2 distributions at least for now.. |
| 00:38.25 | tuxd3v | And none is debian, tough one is debian based.. |
| 00:39.43 | specing | Chinese CPU made in europe? wth? |
| 00:41.09 | tuxd3v | They will shift from STMicroelectronics to TSMC probably they will go 16nm in next iteration, so 3A4000 will be the last produced by STMicroelectronics.. |
| 00:41.21 | tuxd3v | They always were done in France/Italy |
| 00:41.31 | tuxd3v | LoongSon is a open arch |
| 00:41.44 | specing | yes I was wondering why they aren't using TSMC already |
| 00:42.10 | tuxd3v | because Loongson, has a historycal past to build in Europe |
| 00:42.28 | tuxd3v | precisely at STMicroelectronics |
| 00:42.57 | tuxd3v | but that bond seems to be about to change as TSMC can already produce at 7 nm |
| 00:43.11 | tuxd3v | it was indeed a question of time.. |
| 00:44.35 | tuxd3v | Now.. if there are political will, China wants to put here 5G right?So... they should build here there CPUs as well! :) |
| 00:44.54 | specing | there is political will |
| 00:45.01 | tuxd3v | business is business, if we were to be correct that would be the way to follow |
| 00:45.03 | specing | to be independent of out-of-china tech |
| 00:45.17 | specing | my guess is that the loongson thingie is being supported a lot |
| 00:45.17 | tuxd3v | Not in Europe |
| 00:45.21 | specing | from CCP |
| 00:45.34 | tuxd3v | what is CCP? |
| 00:45.40 | specing | chinese communist party |
| 00:46.02 | tuxd3v | Everything in China is suported one way or another by the CCP |
| 00:46.09 | tuxd3v | there are only one party |
| 00:46.11 | specing | they need a competitive computer industry |
| 00:46.13 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 00:46.34 | tuxd3v | 3A400 is a big leap forward! |
| 00:46.36 | specing | that is able to support domestic demand even in the face of blockade |
| 00:46.59 | tuxd3v | next iteration for what I read about will work at 2.5Ghz, anhd will surpass corei7 |
| 00:47.04 | tuxd3v | in total perf.. |
| 00:47.20 | tuxd3v | Now Software optimizations...is another thing...they don't have much |
| 00:47.23 | specing | 80W @ 2GHz sounds a lot |
| 00:47.42 | specing | surpass? hah, maybe nehalem i7 |
| 00:47.51 | tuxd3v | Were do you read 80W@2Ghz? |
| 00:47.53 | specing | the lowest model |
| 00:47.55 | specing | Wikipedia |
| 00:48.08 | tuxd3v | for what I read it was 45W@1.8Ghz |
| 00:48.10 | specing | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson#Loongson_3A4000 |
| 00:49.17 | specing | if you want something surpassing i7 ... POWER9? |
| 00:50.40 | tuxd3v | well I am waiting , but for a powerpc laptop: |
| 00:51.02 | tuxd3v | https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ |
| 00:51.09 | specing | I wouldn't mind one either |
| 00:51.28 | specing | Thinkpad x200/T400 is a hard standard to beat though |
| 00:51.37 | tuxd3v | but I don't have any mips64 arch, and besides this will be the last big processor produced in Europe..so.. |
| 00:51.42 | tuxd3v | power9 can wait :) |
| 00:52.50 | specing | tuxd3v: that campaign looks fishy |
| 00:52.55 | specing | "communications team" |
| 00:53.08 | specing | outsourced to ACube System? Why not to raptorcs? |
| 00:53.27 | specing | the laptop looks generic as all fuck |
| 00:53.35 | specing | like$500 gamerbook level |
| 00:53.44 | specing | even has wasd keys, haha |
| 00:53.54 | tuxd3v | because ACUBE has a bigger and longer tradition of building power products that Raptor computing will ever have |
| 00:53.57 | tuxd3v | thats why |
| 00:54.08 | tuxd3v | they are in the business for at least 20 years |
| 00:54.18 | tuxd3v | were was raptor computing 20 years ago? |
| 00:54.23 | tuxd3v | right.. |
| 00:55.07 | tuxd3v | besides this will be a product in partenership with Slimbook |
| 00:55.27 | tuxd3v | which will produce the Netbook chassis for Acube Systems |
| 00:55.38 | specing | netbook? |
| 00:55.44 | specing | For 180W POWER cpus? |
| 00:55.46 | tuxd3v | so its a European project not American.. |
| 00:55.50 | tuxd3v | well powerpc is |
| 00:55.54 | specing | That's nice |
| 00:56.07 | specing | an european project for a change |
| 00:56.08 | tuxd3v | were do you read 180W cpus? |
| 00:56.20 | tuxd3v | you like big digits :S |
| 00:56.23 | specing | power maxes out at 180W, most are 90W? |
| 00:56.33 | specing | and can be throthled down, of course |
| 00:56.35 | tuxd3v | ofcourse not |
| 00:56.44 | specing | but I'd want a laptop that can do the full 90W |
| 00:57.26 | specing | tuxd3v: ofcourse not what? |
| 00:57.33 | tuxd3v | NXP T2080, e6500 64-bit Power Architecture with Altivec technology |
| 00:57.43 | tuxd3v | https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/campaigns/donation-campaign-for-pcb-design-of-the-powerpc-notebook-motherboard/ |
| 00:57.45 | specing | Wait, this is not IBM POWER9? |
| 00:57.49 | tuxd3v | the power consumption |
| 00:57.57 | tuxd3v | its powerpc |
| 00:58.13 | tuxd3v | ut yeah, and its big endian :) |
| 00:59.12 | tuxd3v | SMT4 :) |
| 01:00.13 | specing | pfffft |
| 01:00.17 | specing | not even ibm power9 |
| 01:00.27 | tuxd3v | well it has options for SMT2 or SMT4 |
| 01:00.44 | specing | Does it have open microcode/ open coprocessors like the IBM POWER9? |
| 01:01.07 | tuxd3v | ofcourse its a open power isa |
| 01:01.22 | specing | It has hardware SATA, 10gigE and PCI-e... looks promising |
| 01:01.23 | tuxd3v | but the processor is made by NXP |
| 01:01.37 | specing | What is the qty1 price on the cpu? |
| 01:02.22 | tuxd3v | don't know. but the final product will be maybe around 1500⬠|
| 01:02.27 | tuxd3v | yeah a bit |
| 01:02.37 | tuxd3v | small quantities you pay the price |
| 01:03.05 | tuxd3v | the LoongSon is also around 1000⬠but the Entire desktop without display |
| 01:03.14 | tuxd3v | I am balanced |
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| 01:03.39 | tuxd3v | but because its a historical CPU for europe, maybe I will loose my mind :D |
| 01:04.00 | tuxd3v | https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.2d036c42f3NgM6&id=611865639252&cm_id=140105335569ed55e27b&abbucket=9&skuId=4307736781442 |
| 01:04.09 | specing | 1500eur is talos level |
| 01:04.24 | tuxd3v | yeah it could be |
| 01:04.37 | tuxd3v | but its a laptop.. |
| 01:04.52 | tuxd3v | even tought that the Chassis is for a Gamin laptop heheh |
| 01:05.03 | tuxd3v | so lets say its a portable desktop |
| 01:05.05 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:05.08 | specing | that chassis choice is pure wtf |
| 01:05.15 | tuxd3v | yeah |
| 01:05.36 | tuxd3v | its for gaming.. I don't get it also.. |
| 01:05.55 | tuxd3v | maybe to justify the 1500â¬..it could be.. |
| 01:06.31 | specing | to justify? Nobody will be playing any games but solitaire on that thing |
| 01:06.43 | specing | even FOSS games are mostly x86 only |
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| 01:08.37 | specing | They could have at least taken some initiative and produced chassis CADs and submitted them to machinining/ SLS printing |
| 01:09.03 | specing | and then contracted motherboard when chassis design is settled upon |
| 01:11.11 | specing | acube systems website also looks sketchy as hell with the domain name choice and everything being out of stock |
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| 01:16.14 | tuxd3v | hehehe |
| 01:16.30 | specing | Fast SI bus simulations ?5000 |
| 01:16.36 | specing | what on earth is this |
| 01:16.42 | tuxd3v | they were mostly working on Amiga, and derivative work |
| 01:16.55 | tuxd3v | retrogaming |
| 01:17.01 | tuxd3v | and other stuff |
| 01:17.30 | tuxd3v | now they want to bring in a new Laptop with Powerpc open specs and a gamming chassis :D |
| 01:17.58 | tuxd3v | I like the Idea but 1500⬠I don't know.. maybe I will lost my mind some day :D |
| 01:18.38 | tuxd3v | also the same about Loongson 3A4000 desktop tower, 1000⬠is a lot, I am waiting for it for almost 1 year |
| 01:18.51 | tuxd3v | I received information this week |
| 01:18.54 | tuxd3v | about it |
| 01:19.08 | onefang | What does any of this have to do with Devuan support? Take it elsewhere please. |
| 01:19.25 | specing | ok, debianfork |
| 01:19.33 | tuxd3v | but 1000â¬.. I was expecting something til lets say 750â¬, for the last european produced cpu...but 1000, I don't know |
| 01:21.01 | tuxd3v | well will Devuan attempt to have a mips64 port? :) |
| 01:21.12 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 01:21.36 | onefang | If you throw some hardware at us, could be arranged. |
| 01:21.57 | specing | throws qemu at onefang |
| 01:22.00 | specing | :) |
| 01:22.05 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:22.27 | specing | tuxd3v: #debianfork |
| 01:22.32 | tuxd3v | It will be limited to 1 Desktop per developer, at least at beguining |
| 01:22.48 | specing | desktop? |
| 01:22.55 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:23.02 | tuxd3v | yeas its sold as a box |
| 01:23.10 | specing | what is sold as a box? |
| 01:23.49 | tuxd3v | complete, 8GB ram loongson 3A4000.. I can't talk about that onefang will slice me in tiny pieces |
| 01:23.52 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:24.15 | specing | where is it being sold? |
| 01:24.27 | tuxd3v | #debianfork :) |
| 01:24.45 | onefang | I leave the slicing to golinux, she has chanop rights. B-) |
| 01:26.55 | golinux | Unfortunately not on #debianfork |
| 01:28.03 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:31.49 | tuxd3v | golinux, thanks :) |
| 01:32.02 | tuxd3v | for not slicing me :) |
| 01:33.25 | golinux | ;) |
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| 02:40.49 | tuxd3v | I have a dificult question at least for me.. |
| 02:40.54 | tuxd3v | devuan related :) |
| 02:41.18 | tuxd3v | I need to execute '/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage' is a chroot |
| 02:41.39 | tuxd3v | at same time from the errors I searched on the web, they sugest: |
| 02:42.41 | tuxd3v | 'export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' or 'export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=teletype' |
| 02:42.51 | tuxd3v | before proceed, but the problem is |
| 02:43.00 | tuxd3v | I have no binaries in the chroot |
| 02:43.10 | tuxd3v | I am crossdebootstraping |
| 02:43.29 | gnarface | you can do it without --second-stage, i think |
| 02:43.31 | tuxd3v | 1st faze runs well packages are downloaded and left in the correct location |
| 02:43.46 | tuxd3v | if it was a debootstrap yes |
| 02:43.56 | tuxd3v | but I am in amd64 |
| 02:44.04 | tuxd3v | and I am Crossdebootstraping |
| 02:44.07 | gnarface | right, debootstrapping aarch64 |
| 02:44.11 | tuxd3v | it requires 2 fazes |
| 02:44.13 | gnarface | you don't need --second-stage |
| 02:44.18 | tuxd3v | 2 fases |
| 02:44.42 | tuxd3v | but how to you install the packages? |
| 02:44.59 | tuxd3v | 1 fase only do unpack |
| 02:45.08 | gnarface | it worked for me |
| 02:45.23 | gnarface | though i did have to copy a qemu binary into the chroot manually to actually chroot successfully |
| 02:45.40 | tuxd3v | yes but that is another thing |
| 02:45.40 | gnarface | and make sure /etc/init.d/binfmt-support is running if it is not |
| 02:45.59 | tuxd3v | that is yet another thing |
| 02:46.22 | tuxd3v | that is to you to run a arm64 bynary in a amd64 arch |
| 02:46.28 | tuxd3v | its quemu emulator |
| 02:46.44 | tuxd3v | but I am speaking about crossdebootstrap |
| 02:46.58 | gnarface | eh, maybe you're not doing what i did afterall |
| 02:46.59 | tuxd3v | some sugest install 'dialog' package in host |
| 02:47.13 | gnarface | eh, i remember running into all that stuff but i really think it's a misdirection |
| 02:47.22 | gnarface | someone pointed out that i don't need --second-stage and i was fine |
| 02:47.28 | tuxd3v | doesn't make sense to me since the second stage will run in a chroot automatically like docker environment |
| 02:47.47 | gnarface | i saved this in my notes: |
| 02:47.50 | tuxd3v | you don't need if you are only debootstraping |
| 02:47.55 | gnarface | debootstrap --arch=arm64 --exclude=rsyslog,udev --include=syslog-ng --foreign ascii /mnt # these includes/excludes may no longer be necessary |
| 02:48.18 | gnarface | cp /usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static /mnt/usr/bin/ |
| 02:48.24 | tuxd3v | but I apart from that am doing also Cross |
| 02:48.39 | tuxd3v | that is crossdebootstraping |
| 02:48.58 | tuxd3v | in ascii I needed 2 stages |
| 02:49.23 | gnarface | i did this on ceres. the jessie, ascii and beowulf crossbuilding tools were all broken on devuan and debian for aarch64 |
| 02:49.34 | tuxd3v | now it couldbe diferent in beowulf, due to debootstrap changes itself.. |
| 02:50.10 | tuxd3v | ho.. |
| 02:50.30 | tuxd3v | I need to revise documentation |
| 02:50.47 | tuxd3v | by hand it works nicely but not in a automated process like I have.. |
| 02:50.47 | gnarface | maybe you're following documentation from before there was multiarch support in debian? |
| 02:51.20 | tuxd3v | I believe not |
| 02:51.24 | onefang | Another way is to install a minimal Arm64 Devuan in qemu, then a non cross debootstrap in that? |
| 02:51.27 | tuxd3v | my builder has 2 stages |
| 02:51.51 | tuxd3v | onefang, that is also a solution |
| 02:52.01 | gnarface | i'm still confused about the distinction between what i did and what tuxd3v is referring to as "crossdebootstrap" |
| 02:52.03 | tuxd3v | inthat way for sure only one step is nedded.. |
| 02:52.21 | tuxd3v | what you did is crossdebootstrap |
| 02:52.34 | tuxd3v | its both things simultaneously |
| 02:52.46 | tuxd3v | debootstraping to a diferent arch |
| 02:53.17 | tuxd3v | remember that in this case debootstrap cannot use in chroot the host binaries |
| 02:53.24 | tuxd3v | this is the big diference |
| 02:53.30 | gnarface | tuxd3v: so, all i remember for sure was running into this same mess you ran into, finding the same documentation suggesting irrelevant fixes, and then someone pointed out that i don't need to use --second-stage at all. |
| 02:53.47 | onefang | Croosdebootstrap would build an ARM64 system, but starts by running in an AMD64 environment. Then instead of chrooting into it to continue, it has to actually run the ARM64 bits, so needs to do the cross thing. |
| 02:54.34 | gnarface | tuxd3v: but then the compilers before ceres were all broken for amd64->arm64 |
| 02:55.05 | tuxd3v | gnarface, it could be |
| 02:55.36 | tuxd3v | but for that I crosscompile with ARM crosscompilers host amd64, target arm64 |
| 02:56.01 | tuxd3v | I only use crossdebootstrap to build the rootfs arm64 bits in arm64 bits machine |
| 02:56.14 | tuxd3v | sorry |
| 02:56.34 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.55 | tuxd3v | it needs to be something, because by hand I can actually install the downloaded packages, but by hand |
| 02:57.59 | tuxd3v | no export |
| 02:58.14 | tuxd3v | dpkg will ask me questions that I respond to |
| 02:58.35 | tuxd3v | but in a software docker like system, this process is automatic, I don't touch it |
| 02:59.15 | tuxd3v | I just tell him do build a rootfs for arm64, and it does everything, so It has to input from me |
| 02:59.47 | tuxd3v | and it crashes now after migration from ascii to beowulf, maybe due to several nasty things that hapened, but I believe have past |
| 02:59.56 | tuxd3v | til this still error |
| 03:01.58 | tuxd3v | you can see one error of this here: |
| 03:01.59 | tuxd3v | https://askubuntu.com/questions/344962/how-do-i-correct-this-error-with-debootstrap-in-ubuntu-server-12-04-3/518139 |
| 03:02.41 | tuxd3v | I can't run interatively |
| 03:02.53 | tuxd3v | its a process task. |
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| 03:13.38 | tuxd3v | gnarface, look here: |
| 03:13.40 | tuxd3v | https://askubuntu.com/questions/287789/what-is-debootstrap-second-stage-for |
| 03:22.53 | tuxd3v | does you guys have '/usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg' in beowulf? |
| 03:25.05 | tuxd3v | can't find the packages that provide '/usr/share/keyrings/{devuan-archive-keyring.gpg,devuan-keyring.gpg}' |
| 03:25.15 | tuxd3v | in beowulf |
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| 03:31.57 | yeti | devuan-keyring: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 03:31.59 | yeti | devuan-keyring: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-keyring.gpg |
| 03:32.32 | tuxd3v | can you search the package that has them? |
| 03:32.53 | tuxd3v | I tried with apt-file show|list but returns empty :( |
| 03:33.02 | tuxd3v | yeti, thanks |
| 03:33.25 | yeti | Version: 2017.10.03 |
| 03:33.33 | yeti | yip |
| 03:33.46 | yeti | tried apt-file 1st and got nutin' |
| 03:33.52 | kiwi_73 | FYI, SHA256 (devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso) = 9aa6de460fb944ddfec8c79306974a522be166e4d296e9673f083f9e1cc6c56c has us.deb as the main mirror choice... |
| 03:35.02 | kiwi_73 | And very unfortunately, allows contrib and non-free with no notice to users during install |
| 03:35.18 | yeti | tuxd3v: dpkg --search devuan-archive-keyring.gpg devuan-keyring.gpg # helped |
| 03:35.34 | yeti | but finding not installe stiff with broken apt-find is a mission... |
| 03:36.20 | tuxd3v | yeti, you got it :) |
| 03:36.48 | tuxd3v | indeed, I tough it was on my computer only :) |
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| 03:37.31 | yeti | nope |
| 03:38.03 | yeti | and missing descriptions for unchanged debian packages [hurts a lot]⢠too |
| 03:38.13 | yeti | try: apt-cache show debian-keyring |
| 03:38.43 | yeti | only few packages make the delta from debian to devuan so mot packages have no description |
| 03:38.45 | yeti | :-( |
| 03:38.52 | yeti | moSt |
| 03:45.04 | onefang | There should be short descriptions at least. It's a known bug that the descriptions are shortened. |
| 03:57.15 | yeti | dropped |
| 03:57.38 | yeti | the description field has oneliners followed by a multiline decription |
| 03:57.49 | yeti | the multiline part is dropped |
| 03:59.09 | yeti | the conversion drops all multiline parts? |
| 04:01.33 | yeti | maybe descriptions are he only multiline fields... |
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| 04:02.38 | yeti | well... only targetting VUAs, we need no long descriptions... :-Ã |
| 04:03.10 | yeti | *ping* NEXT! |
| 04:07.05 | onefang | We just need long gray beards. B-) |
| 04:08.26 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 04:09.53 | yeti | ups! |
| 04:10.38 | yeti | ____( short white beards matter too! ) |
| 04:11.38 | yeti | but in general all our irc topic lines should include https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 |
| 04:11.42 | yeti | ;-Ã |
| 04:12.25 | yeti | ok... afk... killing sime FITamines... |
| 04:12.29 | yeti | sOme |
| 04:14.16 | golinux | Wrong channel for chit-chat |
| 04:26.08 | yeti | the percenage of chitchat in the last hour was miniscule |
| 04:26.41 | yeti | we are not borg... |
| 04:27.03 | yeti | a bit of "noise" is "social glue" |
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| 06:30.51 | fling | What do I add to sources.list to use winehq repo? |
| 06:30.52 | fling | or don't I touch sources list? I have no idea how to use it properly. |
| 06:35.34 | gnarface | fling: you use sources.list |
| 06:36.19 | gnarface | fling: (https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian) |
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| 06:37.21 | gnarface | fling: i would recommend *only* having the winehq repo in your sources.list while you do this, then remove it or comment it out right after |
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| 06:39.30 | onefang | This sort of thing is what /etc/apt/sources.list.d is for, your extra little repos. So that would be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list |
| 06:39.32 | fling | will not it play nicely together? |
| 06:40.42 | gnarface | fling: it will not play nice together. winehq's wine packages clash with the debian ones. you can't even trust them to conflict properly; you might get a munged frankenstein wine install |
| 06:41.35 | gnarface | fling: yea, i should have mentioned that too. remove *all* the distro-native wine packages first, if you're going to be using winehq's |
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| 06:45.59 | fling | should I go ascii or beowulf? |
| 06:49.12 | gnarface | depends on what you're using wine for, really |
| 06:49.31 | gnarface | if it's to play WoW or SC2 you probably need ceres, actually |
| 06:49.40 | gnarface | and wine-staging |
| 06:49.47 | gnarface | *winehq-staging, rather |
| 06:50.08 | gnarface | if it's to play something from the 90's there is a good chance it doesn't matter |
| 06:51.54 | gnarface | (in which case, you wouldn't really need the winehq packages either, probably. you would likely be fine with the distro native wine or wine-development packages |
| 06:51.57 | gnarface | ) |
| 06:52.56 | fling | Is not it possible to set the priority for a repo? |
| 06:53.27 | gnarface | oh, it is possible, i just can't explain that to you off the top of my head |
| 06:53.35 | gnarface | you'd have to look up documentation on apt pinning |
| 06:53.40 | gour | regular wine didn't work for me - it's uninstallable on ceres, so i had to use winehw repo, although i do not have to run anything fancy, but, iirc, similar situation was when i was using sid... |
| 06:54.27 | fling | gour: what is your devuan version and what you added to the sources? |
| 06:57.47 | gour | fling: i'm on ceres, added: |
| 06:57.48 | gour | eb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main |
| 06:57.53 | gour | *deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main |
| 06:58.15 | gnarface | the buster one didn't work for me for Blizzard/Battle.net games, i needed the bullseye one |
| 06:58.36 | gour | bullseyes did not install here |
| 06:58.46 | gnarface | hmm, maybe that's because i'm on ceres? |
| 06:58.54 | gour | i'm also on ceres |
| 06:59.00 | gnarface | hmm, weird |
| 06:59.08 | gnarface | oh, did you purge your old wine packages first though? |
| 06:59.16 | gour | and buster does work |
| 06:59.16 | fling | should I go ceres? |
| 06:59.44 | gnarface | gour: i don't think i can definitely advise that unless you are confident in your backups |
| 06:59.49 | gnarface | er |
| 06:59.50 | gnarface | that was for fling |
| 06:59.55 | fling | I have snapshots |
| 06:59.56 | gour | nope, 'old wine pkgs', iow. distro-wine did not install as well...not sure i purge them |
| 07:00.07 | gour | *purged them |
| 07:02.10 | fling | are you saying you are on ceres and only have this line in your sources.list? -> deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main |
| 07:02.31 | gour | yes |
| 07:02.48 | fling | how do you update? :P |
| 07:03.03 | gour | i mean, the line is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list |
| 07:03.52 | fling | can I use it on beowulf? |
| 07:04.39 | gour | you can try. if it works on ceres... |
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| 07:06.02 | fling | how to purge all the wine packages? |
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| 07:07.39 | gour | try something like: dpkg -l | grep i386 to see what you have |
| 07:08.32 | gour | here are some line i see on the net like: sudo apt remove `dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | awk '{print $1}'` |
| 07:08.58 | gour | or: sudo aptitude remove ~i~ri386 |
| 07:09.23 | gour | fling: https://askubuntu.com/questions/113301/how-to-remove-all-i386-packages-from-ubuntu-64bit |
| 07:09.49 | gour | has to become better with debian-related admin tools |
| 07:16.02 | fling | what if I just apt mark as auto and then just autoremove? |
| 07:16.07 | fling | or should I purge somehow? |
| 07:17.35 | fling | I will just reinstall really quick |
| 07:20.03 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep wine |
| 07:20.18 | gnarface | all the wine packages have wine in the name |
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| 07:25.59 | gnarface | fling: yes, if you remove the right one, the rest might autoremove, but check to be sure |
| 07:26.54 | gnarface | fling: i mean, you'll still have to run the command to autoremove, like "apt-get --purge autoremove", but it might work, just don't count on it |
| 07:29.23 | fling | what does --purge do? |
| 07:31.04 | gnarface | also removes config files |
| 07:31.20 | gnarface | it isn't perfect, sometimes you still have to manually remove an empty directory here or there |
| 07:32.04 | yeti | ... and editorbackups of configs |
| 07:32.55 | fling | which package to install for wine? |
| 07:33.25 | fling | oh it is winehq-* stuff |
| 07:34.41 | gnarface | you can pass regexp to apt-get earch |
| 07:34.48 | gnarface | *apt-get search |
| 07:35.23 | fling | winehq-stable 5 depends on wine-stable 5 which is not in the repos |
| 07:35.28 | fling | should I go ceres? |
| 07:35.51 | gnarface | should be in the repo |
| 07:36.19 | gnarface | it might be looking in the wrong repo (one reason i recommended to temporarily remove the other repos) |
| 07:36.35 | gnarface | or you forgot to "apt-get update?" |
| 07:36.38 | fling | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.01 | fling | maybe it does not like the buster part? |
| 07:37.05 | gnarface | you might just be unlucky and they're currently rearranging |
| 07:37.09 | gnarface | try specifying it |
| 07:37.10 | gnarface | ? |
| 07:37.28 | gnarface | winehq-staging/buster |
| 07:37.38 | gnarface | or -t buster? |
| 07:38.01 | fling | Selected version '5.1~buster' (winehq:stable [amd64]) for 'winehq-staging' |
| 07:38.06 | fling | same error |
| 07:38.21 | fling | how do I switch to ceres? |
| 07:38.39 | gnarface | are you on beowulf now? |
| 07:38.42 | gnarface | or did you say ascii? |
| 07:38.46 | fling | yes |
| 07:38.57 | gnarface | beowulf? |
| 07:39.11 | fling | beowulf, can install ascii too |
| 07:39.29 | gnarface | updating to ceres should be basically the same as updating to beowulf |
| 07:39.41 | fling | ok |
| 07:39.48 | gnarface | just change beowulf to ceres in your sources.list and run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 07:39.57 | gnarface | stuff might break though |
| 07:40.03 | gnarface | i'm serious about you needing backups |
| 07:40.20 | gnarface | unless you REALLY don't care what's on there |
| 07:40.21 | fling | ok I will take another snapshot |
| 07:41.29 | fling | nothing is there, can go back to ascii easily |
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| 09:55.37 | fling | same issue with ceres |
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| 09:56.17 | fling | whoops no, looks like I can't install i386 together with no arch |
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| 10:01.27 | gour | am i right that Slim does not automatically unlock (gnome) keyring. which method you recommend? |
| 10:03.57 | gour | hmm, archlinux wiki says "slim 1.3.5-1 ships with /etc/pam.d/slim preconfigured to unlock keyring upon login. Users no longer need to modify the file." |
| 10:04.36 | gour | any hint why it does not work? |
| 10:18.52 | fling | now it installs mono yay |
| 10:19.14 | fling | gour: maybe try with the working pam file you got on archlinux? |
| 10:24.07 | gour | fling: well, archlinux's wiki says to put two lines in /etc/pam.d/login which are already included in /etc/pam.d/slim. the one shipped in devuan is more extensive than this one: https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/slim.pam?h=packages/slim |
| 10:24.43 | fling | gour: just check if it works for you |
| 10:25.20 | gour | let me check what is in debian pkg |
| 10:30.01 | gour | same as in debian package...naturally :-) |
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| 11:51.14 | specing | > fling | ok I will take another snapshot |
| 11:51.23 | specing | aaahh the power of CoW filesystems? :) |
| 11:51.46 | specing | Honestly I'm shocked that most distros still use ext4 by default |
| 11:52.53 | djph | specing: why's that? |
| 11:53.04 | GyrosGeier | ext4 is sensible because it doesn't lose data |
| 11:53.55 | GyrosGeier | people have experience with fsck repairing severely broken file systems and getting them back into a usable state |
| 11:54.13 | specing | GyrosGeier: ext4 loses data, it just has no means of detecting it |
| 11:54.37 | specing | it doesen't matter if you run XYZ filesystem when the write barrier support in your disk firmware is broken |
| 11:54.44 | specing | ext4 => silent corruption |
| 11:54.51 | specing | btrfs => parent transid verify failed |
| 11:55.10 | specing | djph:^ |
| 11:55.10 | GyrosGeier | the question is, what happens then? |
| 11:55.42 | GyrosGeier | will fsck.btrfs bring you back to a usable state, with whatever is salvageable in newly created files? |
| 11:55.48 | specing | ext4 => ignorance is bliss |
| 11:55.52 | specing | btrfs => restore from backups |
| 11:56.00 | specing | (on a new HDD) |
| 11:56.01 | Acacia | it's better to know about corruption as soon as possible so you can do whatever you need to do at the earliest, btrfs will notice it for you |
| 11:56.08 | GyrosGeier | true |
| 11:56.57 | specing | checksumming is nice, snapshots are life changing |
| 11:57.05 | GyrosGeier | but my backups live on ext4, because I don't have the option of restoring my backups from backups |
| 11:57.40 | specing | all my backups are btrfs |
| 11:57.50 | specing | I'm looking at adding ZFS into the mix, as well |
| 11:58.16 | specing | I don't want corrupted backups |
| 11:58.31 | gour | is using external RDX disk for backup (XFS) and not wanting to touch (again) btrfs |
| 11:59.21 | GyrosGeier | XFS is notoriously bad at fsck though |
| 12:04.26 | gour | GyrosGeier: i never lost data with it which is not the case with btrfs |
| 12:09.39 | specing | There are some caveats with btrfs, but if you still to the advice, you won't lose data |
| 12:09.57 | specing | the advice is to stick to 4.9/4.19 kernel series and not use qgroups or raid5/6 |
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| 12:23.03 | nemo | I was buying a VPS from OVH. They only offer systemd distros. It's possibly a little risky to try to swap out from under them, but I figured worst case I could just reinstall from the console |
| 12:23.12 | nemo | Which Debian would be the best starting point for attempting a swap? |
| 12:23.20 | nemo | 8? |
| 12:25.14 | gour | specing: i lost data with raid1, anot only once - fortunately i had backup |
| 12:30.51 | specing | nemo: swap is easy |
| 12:30.56 | specing | nemo: use devuan |
| 12:31.07 | specing | I did a devuan swap on ubuntu server |
| 12:32.05 | specing | just prepare a devuan image localy (on LVM), compact it, and transfer to remote tmpfs, then lock disk writes and dd it to /dev/vda |
| 12:32.21 | specing | and force reboot |
| 12:32.54 | specing | if you do it right, you won't need to touch the console at all |
| 12:33.48 | onefang | You make it sound so simple. B-) |
| 12:38.04 | specing | I think I wrote a howto on this on dev1galaxy |
| 12:38.18 | specing | I know I wrote a btrfs install howto |
| 12:38.26 | specing | not sure on swap thingie |
| 12:43.30 | GyrosGeier | gour, did you ever run fsck.xfs? |
| 12:44.05 | nemo | specing: I've never done that before. was hoping to get away with changing sources.list and updating ⺠|
| 12:44.23 | nemo | specing: since devuan is a thin overlay and not horribly out of date with stable was hoping it'd be pretty easy |
| 12:44.26 | GyrosGeier | you could also rsync an existing installation over the root fs |
| 12:44.43 | specing | > GyrosGeier | will fsck.btrfs bring you back to a usable state, with whatever is salvageable in newly created files? |
| 12:44.49 | GyrosGeier | but that has a bunch of drawbacks |
| 12:44.59 | specing | Hehe, I just used fsck.ext4 to bring me back to a usable state on an old hdd |
| 12:45.03 | specing | the result? |
| 12:45.09 | specing | 23GB of files in lost+found |
| 12:45.16 | specing | everything is now in lost+found |
| 12:45.19 | nemo | specing's plan seems to involve a lot more familiarity w/ VPS than I have - this is my first one |
| 12:45.33 | specing | nemo: it was my first one as well |
| 12:45.50 | GyrosGeier | the other problem is that VPSs are a lot more efficient if you leave as many files untouched as you can |
| 12:46.03 | GyrosGeier | because they are then shared, and more likely to remain in cache |
| 12:46.10 | specing | nemo: whatever happens you can still reinstall debian through management panel |
| 12:46.19 | nemo | GyrosGeier: aaaand that impacts pricing? 'cause the price seemed fixed |
| 12:46.30 | GyrosGeier | no, that impacts performance |
| 12:46.35 | nemo | eh |
| 12:46.45 | nemo | for what I'm likely to do that probably doesn't matter |
| 12:47.16 | GyrosGeier | I have a VPS where spamassassin and postfix get swapped out regularly |
| 12:47.18 | nemo | GyrosGeier: not to mention devuan/debian there should be a fair amount in cache still, right ⺠|
| 12:47.21 | GyrosGeier | performance is abysmal |
| 12:47.46 | GyrosGeier | that depends on their deduplication strategy |
| 12:47.48 | GyrosGeier | but yes |
| 12:48.47 | nemo | anyway. if I did want to try /etc/apt/sources.list and crossing my fingers. which debian would you say is closest to either ascii or beowulf? |
| 12:50.26 | onefang | Debian 9 for ASCII, 10 for Beowulf. |
| 12:52.59 | nemo | kk. might as well give beowulf a try |
| 12:53.04 | nemo | since I have no immediate plans for the VPS |
| 12:55.05 | specing | GyrosGeier: it isn't SSD-based? |
| 12:55.23 | nemo | specing: I assumed he was talking about RAM |
| 12:55.37 | nemo | specing: like the 2GB they are selling me is "2GB"* |
| 12:55.44 | specing | Is this a container VPS or VM VPS? |
| 12:56.58 | nemo | https://www.ovh.com/fr/order/vps/?p1y#/vps/build?selection=~(build~(family~'ssd~quantity~1~offer~'vps_ssd_model1_2018v1~osType~'linux~datacenter~'sbg)) |
| 12:57.19 | nemo | not super sure from the details there... |
| 12:57.25 | nemo | cloud might be "VM" ? |
| 12:58.57 | specing | Is it their kernel or your kernel? |
| 12:59.14 | specing | is it Xen, VMWare, KVM? |
| 13:01.19 | GyrosGeier | specing, lol |
| 13:01.34 | GyrosGeier | a lot of the VPS boxes are decommissioned root servers |
| 13:02.19 | GyrosGeier | because root server customers don't want them anymore, but the hardware is still okay |
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| 13:08.26 | specing | GyrosGeier: root server = DNS thingie? |
| 13:16.54 | gour_ | GyrosGeier: yes, recently when i had lot of problems with manjaro and though maybe something is wrong with my HDD, but it was only due to systemd :-) |
| 13:17.10 | gour_ | it finished quickly on 1/2TB drives |
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| 13:30.41 | GyrosGeier | specing, "root server" = actual hardware, rented |
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| 13:30.56 | GyrosGeier | so you don't share CPUs with other customers |
| 13:32.21 | onefang | VPS host server. |
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| 13:33.01 | specing | GyrosGeier: that's usually a waste of resources |
| 13:33.25 | specing | too bad things like digital ocean are more expensive than actually mostly renting a CPU |
| 13:33.29 | specing | monthly* |
| 13:34.26 | GyrosGeier | yes, but for some things you really want your own machine |
| 13:34.56 | GyrosGeier | my server runs at 100% CPU about 70% of time |
| 13:35.26 | GyrosGeier | if that were a VPS, I probably wouldn't remain a customer very long |
| 13:35.34 | GyrosGeier | also, it runs a Windows VM |
| 13:35.54 | GyrosGeier | that doesn't work either if you don't own the hypervisor |
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| 13:51.28 | specing | > Windows VM |
| 13:51.35 | specing | bad decisions were made :P |
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| 14:21.28 | jsxof | Hi. I'm quite new to Devuan, so I'd like to ask two things. 1 - How does its versioning scheme work? Is the current state of Devuan ASCII equivalent to Debian Stretch? 2 - Is there a testing branch/repo? |
| 14:27.33 | nemo | jsxof: onefang earlier said ascii â
Debian 9 and beowulf â
Debian 10 ... |
| 14:27.43 | nemo | jsxof: beowulf being that beta you're probably asking for |
| 14:27.48 | nemo | jsxof: the versioning is detailed on the wiki |
| 14:28.08 | nemo | btw. lost my sound after upgrade to beowulf â¹ |
| 14:28.23 | jsxof | Oh, I didn't notice that you have a wiki. Thanks for help. |
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| 14:31.02 | nemo | hm. pulseaudio seems to not be launching on startup after upgrade to beowulf |
| 14:31.23 | Joril | nemo: please see http://bugs.devuan.org/db/37/378.html |
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| 14:32.25 | nemo | Joril: oh. thanks. |
| 14:32.32 | nemo | Joril: yeah. that must be it. just caught me by surprise |
| 14:33.34 | nemo | "yes" or just commented out apparently |
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| 14:44.28 | specing | nemo: uninstall pulseaudio |
| 14:44.33 | specing | its lennartware anyway |
| 14:44.34 | specing | :) |
| 14:53.17 | nemo | specing: heh |
| 14:53.30 | nemo | specing: I don't care enough frankly. sound dæmon seems to have limited scope |
| 14:53.55 | nemo | specing: my time sink on this work laptop is going to be figuring out how to compile that !@#$ driver |
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| 15:27.35 | MinceR | it's not limited enough -- it can fuck up sound and it can force dependencies |
| 15:30.51 | nemo | MinceR: well, if there's an easy overlay of an overlay for devuan or specialised devuan server that handles that, I'm all for using it |
| 15:30.55 | nemo | but right now, too much to worry about already |
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| 16:57.00 | filipdevuan_ | Hey is it safe to put debian packages in e |
| 16:57.03 | filipdevuan_ | in sources.list |
| 16:57.17 | filipdevuan_ | i am trying to download newest version of hedge wars added deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 16:57.26 | filipdevuan_ | but not it wants to update 408MB of archives not sure if it's safe?? |
| 16:57.56 | filipdevuan_ | now it wants* |
| 16:58.23 | golinux | filipdevuan_: NO! All relevant debian packages are served by devuan |
| 16:58.37 | filipdevuan_ | there is older version of hedgewars available |
| 16:58.39 | golinux | Never use debian repos directly. |
| 16:58.44 | filipdevuan_ | ok :) |
| 16:58.47 | filipdevuan_ | its good i asked then |
| 16:58.55 | golinux | Yes. :) |
| 16:59.00 | filipdevuan_ | i am trying to install newest version of hedgewars for online gaming |
| 16:59.02 | golinux | Let me check something |
| 16:59.35 | golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=hedgewars&release=any |
| 17:00.02 | filipdevuan_ | ok |
| 17:00.06 | filipdevuan_ | the ceres one would do |
| 17:00.19 | golinux | hedgewars is available in every release that devuan provides |
| 17:00.39 | filipdevuan_ | so how can i get the ceres 1.0.0-4 one?? |
| 17:00.55 | golinux | But remember that ceres mirrors sid |
| 17:01.19 | filipdevuan_ | right |
| 17:01.34 | filipdevuan_ | well i have downloaded hedge wars .deb package |
| 17:01.45 | filipdevuan_ | did dpkg -i hedgewars.deb but it requiries some libs |
| 17:02.21 | golinux | And you want those libs to come via devuan |
| 17:02.37 | golinux | Just delete the debian version] |
| 17:03.04 | filipdevuan_ | well i just want to have newest hedgewars version for online gaming :PP |
| 17:03.25 | golinux | Perhaps the supporting libs are not available yet in ceres/sid |
| 17:03.32 | filipdevuan_ | okay |
| 17:03.40 | filipdevuan_ | so it is not possible to install newest hedgewars on ascii?? |
| 17:04.08 | golinux | You'd probably at least need to upgrade to beowulf. |
| 17:04.17 | filipdevuan_ | okay then |
| 17:04.24 | filipdevuan_ | thanks for explanation :) |
| 17:05.25 | debdog | or compile it yourself, filipdevuan_ |
| 17:05.34 | filipdevuan_ | yeah well u mean make install? |
| 17:05.47 | debdog | yes, that and such ;) |
| 17:05.53 | filipdevuan_ | yeah thats worth trying |
| 17:05.56 | specing | nemo:^ |
| 17:05.56 | filipdevuan_ | ill try that first |
| 17:05.57 | filipdevuan_ | thanks :) |
| 17:05.59 | debdog | awful lot of dependencies, though |
| 17:06.22 | filipdevuan_ | yeah worth trying though ;) |
| 17:06.27 | specing | rolls eyes |
| 17:06.30 | filipdevuan_ | ill see how much dependencies first ;P |
| 17:06.46 | filipdevuan_ | how many* |
| 17:06.53 | filipdevuan_ | i have it compiled before on arch based distro it wasnt so hard |
| 17:07.00 | filipdevuan_ | not sure if here devuan would be harder though |
| 17:07.13 | filipdevuan_ | well arch based distro with debian package stability |
| 17:09.04 | debdog | if it is satisfied version wise on the dependencies, it could be easy, yes |
| 17:09.30 | filipdevuan_ | yeah i will find out |
| 17:09.32 | filipdevuan_ | thank you!!! |
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| 17:21.39 | filipdevuan_ | take care ;) |
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| 18:49.51 | troubleduser | hi |
| 18:51.16 | troubleduser | I am here for a help with Devuan Ascii |
| 18:52.11 | troubleduser | since its release I have got problems installing or even running desktop-live |
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| 18:54.53 | troubleduser | it stops definitely or for few minutes with message rcu_sched: cpu stall |
| 18:55.54 | troubleduser | my motherboard is Asus Sabertooth 990 FX with AMD FX-8320 |
| 18:56.51 | troubleduser | and GPU is AMD Radeon R9 270 |
| 18:58.52 | troubleduser | till now I've tested RAM, it's error free |
| 18:59.12 | troubleduser | latest BIOS for the mobo is 2901 |
| 19:00.05 | troubleduser | i wanted to migrate from WIndows once and for all |
| 19:01.13 | troubleduser | when I've tried failsafe kernel panic happens |
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| 19:06.09 | fsmithred | troubleduser, does it boot to the desktop? |
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| 19:06.37 | troubleduser | sometimes |
| 19:06.52 | troubleduser | sometimes works and sometimes hangs |
| 19:08.01 | troubleduser | with normal bootup not failsafe |
| 19:08.18 | troubleduser | failsafe always results kernel panic |
| 19:08.34 | fsmithred | you could try failsafe with fewer options |
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| 19:09.04 | fsmithred | press TAB to edit the line and remove them one at a time or remove them all and add them one at a time |
| 19:09.05 | pencilandpaper | I see that pulse-audio is working again after installing updates this morning. :) I was waiting for that to happen. :) |
| 19:09.29 | fsmithred | I found an ubuntu report with same error message and same cpu |
| 19:10.03 | troubleduser | fsmithred: ok, i will try |
| 19:10.12 | fsmithred | you might also try a newer kernel |
| 19:11.06 | fsmithred | Here's a desktop-live with 4.19 backports kernel: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/unofficial_devuan_ascii_2.1_bpo_amd64-20191105_1512.iso |
| 19:11.52 | troubleduser | I've read, it could be kernel modesetting problem, but I don't now how to use this knowledge |
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| 19:17.21 | troubleduser | ok, desktop shows, but when I've executed dmesg it hangs :-/ |
| 19:18.05 | troubleduser | fsmithred: I'll try with your *.iso |
| 19:18.42 | fsmithred | troubleduser, either add or remove 'nomodeset' in the boot command |
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| 19:19.35 | lalala_ | hi all |
| 19:19.54 | troubleduser | hi |
| 19:20.03 | lalala_ | how different and incompatible are bsd kernel lets say freebsd or any other bsd that is available compared to the linux kernel |
| 19:20.18 | lalala_ | that can be aquired through apt via debian |
| 19:20.31 | lalala_ | i mean if compatibility comes into question |
| 19:20.37 | lalala_ | im doing some research :) |
| 19:20.54 | lalala_ | and an answer would be like very nice if anyone having expirience in this field |
| 19:21.06 | lalala_ | sorry not debian |
| 19:21.07 | lalala_ | devuan |
| 19:22.04 | lalala_ | since i have noticed while using linux, not devuan ofcourse there was a bsd kernel once available for debian |
| 19:22.10 | lalala_ | not pointing at anyone ofcourse |
| 19:22.16 | kiwi_8 | Hi everybody, gotta have some preparations for tomorrow devuan install party, but they said this time they want the install too to bootable usb stick, they found that easy with Knoppix or xubuntu. I shall take asciII yes. But I do not know about installing to usb: How would be the preferable way? Besides, is it sensible? |
| 19:22.20 | lalala_ | but those should really be similar in a way |
| 19:22.22 | Evilham | lalala_: do you mean this? https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 19:22.38 | lalala_ | Evilham: sweet there still is one |
| 19:22.41 | lalala_ | no im wondering |
| 19:23.17 | lalala_ | there is somebody trying to tell me something would run on a bsd system and that same system can run linux supposedly which is the PS4 ofcourse |
| 19:23.18 | fsmithred | dd if=devuan-whatever.iso of=/dev/your-usb |
| 19:24.32 | lalala_ | fsmithred: fsmithred: disk imaging? |
| 19:24.45 | Evilham | lalala_: not sure if this is what you mean, but FreeBSD has a linux compat layer, so some linux binaries can be executed natively, you'd be better asking about those on #freebsd though |
| 19:24.56 | lalala_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.00 | lalala_ | tyvm |
| 19:25.21 | troubleduser | fsmithred: I've solve it |
| 19:25.38 | fsmithred | lalala_, you want to boot from usb to install devuan, right? That's how you put it on the usb stick. |
| 19:25.48 | fsmithred | troubleduser, how? |
| 19:25.50 | troubleduser | fsmithred: when I've passed nomodeset it hangs at snd_ctxfi module |
| 19:26.16 | troubleduser | taken out the SB X-Fi Elite Pro |
| 19:26.29 | troubleduser | everything works like a charm |
| 19:26.33 | fsmithred | cool |
| 19:26.51 | kiwi_8 | I would appreciate any help. |
| 19:27.41 | fsmithred | don't ask to ask. Just ask. And then wait - it might be some time before you get an answer. |
| 19:27.41 | troubleduser | with nomodeset messages scrolls slower and I've seen problem with this module |
| 19:28.08 | fsmithred | heh, slow boot is a feature |
| 19:29.21 | lalala_ | oh oh, true true |
| 19:29.35 | lalala_ | the bsd people are mean, i need to register :\ |
| 19:31.08 | Evilham | it's different community rules, doesn't mean they are mean |
| 19:31.08 | pencilandpaper | Is anyone in here running Unstable? |
| 19:40.29 | fsmithred | pencilandpaper, there are people who run ceres. Do you have a question about it? |
| 19:40.51 | troubleduser | thanks for help, bye guys |
| 19:41.00 | fsmithred | yw |
| 19:41.24 | pencilandpaper | I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that pulse is and working as of the updates from this morning? |
| 19:41.40 | pencilandpaper | Well see this is where I'm at right now fsmithred .. |
| 19:41.47 | pencilandpaper | System: Host: ijotlines Kernel: 5.4.0-3-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2 |
| 19:41.48 | pencilandpaper | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.08 | fsmithred | careful - don't paste a lot of lines at once |
| 19:42.20 | fsmithred | or you'll get kicked by the spamhunter bot |
| 19:42.22 | pencilandpaper | Ok thanks man.. |
| 19:42.28 | pencilandpaper | I appreciate it. |
| 19:43.23 | fsmithred | no pulseaudio here, and it never seems to work for me in a VM |
| 19:43.29 | fsmithred | it stutters |
| 19:44.50 | lalala_ | also alsa only here, cant help you :) |
| 19:47.04 | pencilandpaper | What are you running fsmithred , testing? |
| 19:47.30 | fsmithred | in VM, I'm running everything (ok, no more jessie) |
| 19:47.34 | pencilandpaper | I don't need help, I'm saying that it quit working for a while, but is back finally with updates applied as of this morning. :) |
| 19:47.38 | fsmithred | main box is running beowulf |
| 19:47.43 | fsmithred | cool |
| 19:47.44 | pencilandpaper | Ok..I see.. |
| 19:47.48 | pencilandpaper | Indeed.. |
| 19:48.01 | fsmithred | I have a ceres in VM, but I don't have pulseaudio in it |
| 19:49.23 | pencilandpaper | Ok..did you start out with ceres iso or did you upgrade in to ceres? |
| 19:49.34 | fsmithred | upgraded from beowulf |
| 19:50.03 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool.. |
| 19:50.06 | fsmithred | actually a refracta beowulf iso |
| 19:50.15 | pencilandpaper | How do you have your sources set up? |
| 19:50.43 | fsmithred | for ceres? one line, but I may have left the beowulf lines active |
| 19:50.53 | pencilandpaper | Mine are set ONLY to ceres (unstable) right now..and things seem to be falling in to place.. |
| 19:51.01 | fsmithred | because not long ago I noticed a couple of packages are newer in beowulf |
| 19:51.15 | pencilandpaper | Ok, comment the beowulf ones out and then do a dist-upgrade and see what happens.. |
| 19:51.24 | fsmithred | I think most ceres users just use ceres sources |
| 19:51.32 | pencilandpaper | but watch them to see what is being installed, as well as what may be being removed. |
| 19:51.49 | pencilandpaper | I think so as well, although I saw one dude in here that left some beowulf sources active.. |
| 19:51.57 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.58 | pencilandpaper | For backports of certain packages I guess. |
| 19:52.03 | pencilandpaper | :) |
| 19:52.05 | pencilandpaper | Cool.. |
| 19:52.38 | fsmithred | that might have been me |
| 19:52.47 | pencilandpaper | Yeah see thats what I was saying, but I was looking more at the libc6 used in certain packages..so I went just the unstable sources active. |
| 19:52.48 | pencilandpaper | Ok.. |
| 19:53.08 | pencilandpaper | What do you run as your host OS if you don't mind me asking fsmithred ? |
| 19:53.23 | fsmithred | one beowulf and two asciis |
| 19:53.33 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool, thanks.. |
| 19:54.01 | fsmithred | I upgraded main box to beowulf at the beginning of january (fresh install) |
| 19:54.15 | fsmithred | ascii on the laptops |
| 19:54.28 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool.. |
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| 19:55.16 | pencilandpaper | I only have this laptop..so I decided to upgrade in to beowulf, and then went to ceres.. |
| 19:55.26 | pencilandpaper | I usually always do, so I just went for it. lol |
| 19:56.34 | specing | pencilandpaper: make a snapshot before upgrading |
| 19:57.30 | pencilandpaper | I should do that to be honest specing , especially right now pulse working again. |
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| 20:01.43 | pencilandpaper | Hi fatalerrors . |
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| 21:39.52 | kiwi_8 | nobody knew about "devuan install to bootable usb device"? Is tha: just following the debian installation howto? Thanks for a pointer. |
| 21:40.24 | kiwi_8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:46.23 | gnarface | kiwi_8: yes, it shouldn't be different from the debian process for that |
| 21:48.29 | debdog | kiwi_8: I've tried that once, didn't work out easily. came to the conclusion it's easier to get a live distro which supports this. I am a noob regarding bios/uefi and booting in general, though |
| 21:50.23 | gnarface | oh yea you do need bios level support for it, and it's not 100% ubiquitous. a live image may work better |
| 21:50.36 | gnarface | but only maybe |
| 21:51.54 | debdog | I thought this should be rather easy, just install it as if it were an ordinary hdd. but usb is special, it turned out |
| 21:52.12 | debdog | esp. if you want to use it universally, on different PCs |
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| 21:53.34 | debdog | some live images support being install to usb including a writable partition to save changes to config files and installing additional software. and of course save user files. like knoppix |
| 21:53.42 | debdog | *being installed |
| 21:56.20 | debdog | but if there's a guid for debian on how to install such a system, it most likely works with devuan as well. kiwi_8 |
| 21:56.24 | debdog | *guide |
| 21:59.29 | kiwi_8 | thanks, excellent help |
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| 23:34.00 | TwistedFate | is there a good program for gnu+linux that properly shows RAM usage? htop and the likes are too chaotic and inconclusive. i want to know what's using my RAM :/ |
| 23:34.13 | specing | ps_mem |
| 23:41.02 | gnu_srs | free -h? |
| 23:42.17 | fsmithred | yeah, ps_mem.py |
| 23:42.44 | gnu_srs | top; hit M and you'll find out :) |
| 23:45.35 | gnu_srs | of course followed by ps aux|grep <PID> |
| 23:46.35 | fsmithred | https://techarena51.com/static/media/uploads/uploads/2014/06/ps_mem.png |
| 23:50.02 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Where did you install it? apt-cache search ps_mem: <empty> |
| 23:50.28 | fsmithred | gotta find it on the web. I put it in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 23:50.29 | gnu_srs | and even ps_mem.py |
| 23:51.24 | fsmithred | I see several, and I don't know which one I got. |
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| 23:58.32 | avbox | @fsmithred: I once again installed my avmultimedia with elogind, no sound at all, but lot of messages /run/user/1000 not availabe. Point is, it does open /run/user/0. Any ideas, what's the difference or how to change it? |
| 23:58.59 | fsmithred | avbox, sounds like policykit stuff |
| 23:59.51 | fsmithred | but that's just a guess |
