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| 00:08.50 | tuxd3v | hello all, |
| 00:09.15 | tuxd3v | is there a way so that we can increase the size of Menu icons in xfce? |
| 00:09.35 | tuxd3v | since I changed from graphics I barelly see them.. |
| 00:09.47 | tuxd3v | too small for me..almost blind guy here |
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| 00:12.32 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, Settings, Desktop, Icons, Icon Size |
| 00:13.25 | fsmithred | oh, that's for desktop icons |
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| 00:13.56 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, yeah it changes the desktop's only :( |
| 00:14.13 | tuxd3v | thanks anyway |
| 00:14.38 | tuxd3v | I tried already that, and I can see now desktop ones, but not menu ones.. |
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| 00:18.15 | fsmithred | You can make the menu text bigger |
| 00:18.22 | fsmithred | or smaller |
| 00:18.30 | fsmithred | install fontsnaps |
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| 00:23.30 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 06:12.04 | Digit | i'm looking @ https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser&package=palemoon ( arrived at from http://linux.palemoon.org/ ) getting a little headspin beyond my ken, wondering if this can be implemented in devuan without pain? |
| 06:12.15 | Digit | or even with pain. XD |
| 06:12.33 | Digit | palemoon in devuan? yay? nay? |
| 06:13.42 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.57 | gnarface | i might be wrong but i thought i remembered the issue being licensing related |
| 06:15.00 | gnarface | Debian follows a strict list of which open source licenses they'll allow |
| 06:16.19 | gnarface | maybe now just lacks a maintainer |
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| 06:30.46 | onefang | Using that Palemoon PPA from the opensuse sight works fine for me. |
| 06:31.07 | xrogaan | tuxd3v: you want the Whiskers menu |
| 06:31.39 | xrogaan | tuxd3v: you can define the size of the icons with that one. The regular menu is just too simple |
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| 08:46.32 | _abc_ | I am looking for a new laptop. Low end. Should I get Ryzen or not? Most indications are not to, due to battery life impact mostly. This is for multi boot but mainly devuan running as desktop. I do not care about GPU speed etc. |
| 08:47.16 | Digit | pinebook? |
| 08:48.57 | gordonDrogon | just set a budget and pick what's best in that range. I have an older (um - 7 years now?) thing that was a "Windows home media" thing - so 720p (ish) display, but anything more modern will have a better display. I just put a new battery in it and I get about 4-5 hours on it depending on use with devuan. |
| 08:49.48 | gordonDrogon | if not a power user/gamer then you can get a lot for relatively little outlay - it's when you want higher end stuff that prices get silly. |
| 08:49.55 | gnarface | pinebooks get great battery life but good luck getting your hands on one right now |
| 08:52.08 | gnarface | certain models of thinkpads are well supported |
| 08:52.25 | gnarface | i'm skeptical that it's a good idea to put something like a ryzen in a mobile device |
| 08:52.31 | gnarface | that seems like a hot potato |
| 08:53.05 | gnarface | if you really care about battery life above all, ARM devices are a better choice |
| 08:53.21 | _abc_ | gnarface: putting a new battery in: replaceable? Because the ones on all the laptops I am looking at on offer now here are not replaceable. |
| 08:53.56 | _abc_ | gnarface: I do need some processing power you know, and compatibility. ARM would be nice to try out if they would make some Cavium powered 48 core ones or similar. |
| 08:54.15 | _abc_ | Those things are used in Juniper routers and other things, they do work. |
| 08:54.16 | gnarface | pinebooks? eh... it's not glued in like in a mac if that's what you mean. you might need a soldering iron and some training though... |
| 08:54.42 | _abc_ | gnarface: There are proper teardown videos on youtube for the type I am interested in. |
| 08:54.51 | _abc_ | Anything bad to say about hp G250 series? |
| 08:55.11 | gnarface | i can't tell you anything specific about a HP product since the 90's |
| 08:55.19 | gnarface | sorry |
| 08:56.25 | gnarface | in general, cheap windows 10 ready stuff does not work |
| 08:56.58 | gnarface | anything that shipped with windows 10 i'd say will probably not work, anything that shipped with windows 7 though will have a better chance |
| 08:57.48 | gnarface | but it's largely gonna come down to whether they let you disable secureboot or at least add your own keys/signatures to it |
| 08:58.25 | gnarface | windows 7 stuff and earlier is less likely to have it, windows 8 and later is more likely |
| 08:58.42 | gnarface | cheap stuff is more likely to have it locked down so you can't get anything but windows in there, too |
| 09:03.54 | _abc_ | Is the TPM a problem with all modern laptops? I see the ones on sale here in shops running Endless OS as demo/free OS, which is a Linux version. |
| 09:04.09 | _abc_ | So they do something special about the certs to get it to run? I think not? |
| 09:08.47 | gnarface | TPM? |
| 09:09.02 | _abc_ | Trusted Platform Module |
| 09:09.08 | gnarface | i don't know |
| 09:09.35 | _abc_ | It's the secure signature / serial number IC with specific crypto which hw locks the bios / etc |
| 09:10.26 | _abc_ | When did you last see a laptop which does not permit setting the secure boot / EFI flags to off and allow installing or booting linux "unsecured"? |
| 09:11.13 | _abc_ | I have to go in 5 minutes, chores |
| 09:11.57 | gnarface | i've never seen one in person actually. i know they exist though because people have complained about them here |
| 09:12.05 | gordonDrogon | ditto. |
| 09:12.36 | gnarface | and i don't expect them to be hard to find, either. i just haven't really bought a laptop in a long time (unless you count the pinebook) |
| 09:12.47 | _abc_ | You mean laptops shipped with preinstalled W10 which locks the boot system? |
| 09:12.58 | _abc_ | What is a pinebook? |
| 09:13.19 | gnarface | is a arm64 laptop with reverse-engineered firmware |
| 09:13.37 | gnarface | no bios, no efi |
| 09:13.51 | gnarface | so, no secure boot |
| 09:13.52 | _abc_ | Oh those guys, now I know what you are on about |
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| 09:14.21 | gnarface | people are getting 12 hour battery life out of them with light usage |
| 09:14.28 | gnarface | and the standby time is *months* |
| 09:14.41 | _abc_ | Does this not work? https://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/2013/12/16/tech-note-how-to-install-linux-on-a-laptop-with-uefi |
| 09:15.11 | _abc_ | gnarface: getting 12 hours out of a 40Wh battery with a 3 Watt CPU is not rocket science. |
| 09:15.19 | _abc_ | What about the display? Reflective? |
| 09:15.41 | gnarface | mine or both matte but i don't know that they have that much control over the products |
| 09:16.15 | gnarface | i wouldn't be shocked if a gloss-screen batch got shipped due to availability of parts |
| 09:16.24 | _abc_ | I mean, the backlight consumes more than the CPU, and contributes more to the battery drain |
| 09:16.42 | gnarface | yes, you can double the battery life by halving the screen brightness |
| 09:16.50 | gnarface | but i challenge you to find better |
| 09:16.59 | _abc_ | Daylight laptop screen is a power hog. Need 500 nits or more to even use in daylight, most screens are 200-250 now |
| 09:17.38 | _abc_ | So devices made for long duration use daylight chanelled into the display using some light collector and light pipes. |
| 09:17.41 | gnarface | we should probably take this to #debianfork because this isn't really a devuan support issue per-se |
| 09:18.24 | _abc_ | Maybe, but I am asking specifically on devuan, anyone got a HP 250 G7 running? Here? It's a popular low end laptop. |
| 09:19.08 | gnarface | eh, well, hang out. people read their scrollbacks here, so you might get an answer even some hours later |
| 09:19.29 | _abc_ | Sure. Except I need to move on, will be back to see if there were any answers. |
| 09:20.03 | Joril | FWIW I have a HP DB1043NL running Beowulf, but I'm using it mostly connected |
| 09:22.15 | _abc_ | Joril: thanks. That has a different GPU from the i-8250U equipped 250 G7 |
| 09:22.34 | _abc_ | Also it seems to use a Ryzen |
| 09:23.07 | _abc_ | Joril: does your laptop have usable SATA slots inside? |
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| 09:34.45 | Joril | Sadly it's pretty much all closed up :/ I think you can change just the battery |
| 09:37.22 | zatumil | hello do you have a devuan conference in 2020 |
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| 10:40.11 | zatumil | An other question is related to ext2 filesystem. Why supermin command on line 24 creates a appliance.d/root filesystem with illegal characters? Im using this with a custom init script so it might be of interest in this channel. http://paste.debian.net/1130927 |
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| 10:46.41 | djph | zatumil: what characters in the command on ln24 are invalid? |
| 10:57.41 | zatumil | the generated file contains a ext2 filesystem with illegal characters thats what e2fsck returns |
| 11:01.19 | zatumil | e2fsck fixes the illegal characters, but I wonder if this is a problem in supermin src/ext2fs-c.c |
| 11:08.05 | zatumil | Entry '/etc/os-release' in /etc (13) has illegal characters in its name. |
| 11:08.45 | zatumil | I think the slash is illegal |
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| 11:55.19 | GyrosGeier | another conference would be nice |
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| 16:31.09 | golinux | Good grief . . . what is that hardware question doing on #devuan. Please take it to #debianfork next time. |
| 16:31.29 | golinux | Y'all should really know better by now . . . |
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| 18:39.07 | GyrosGeier | as a hardware compatibility question, that is certainly valid |
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