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| 00:05.02 | Criggie | any ideas on how far away devuan for pi4 is ? |
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| 00:13.48 | tuxd3v | I believe that are there still components to migrate from rpi kernel to mainline kernel.. |
| 00:13.57 | gnarface | Criggie: someone successfully managed to make an unofficial one already |
| 00:14.17 | gnarface | Criggie: (by shoehorning a devuan rootfs onto a raspbian img, i think) |
| 00:14.33 | gnarface | (or maybe it was Ubuntu. i forget) |
| 00:15.12 | Criggie | meh - much as I love screwing round with things, reliability is higher-than-normal for this build |
| 00:17.21 | tuxd3v | the uniq option for now seems to be using the rpi kernels and its firmware blobs.. |
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| 00:18.24 | tuxd3v | I am now toying with a rockpi4A |
| 00:18.50 | tuxd3v | and I don't know why, but I am getting a lot of trouble to set u-boot correctly |
| 00:18.53 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 00:19.11 | tuxd3v | its like crazy.. out of 50 boot attempts, it only try to boot 1 |
| 00:19.14 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 00:19.59 | tuxd3v | also it tries to run 'fsck.ext4' without I mencioning it elsewere |
| 00:20.17 | tuxd3v | so he does things secretly behind the stage.. |
| 00:20.41 | tuxd3v | I am now on the 3rd image for it.. |
| 00:21.45 | tuxd3v | even not having 'fsck.repair=yes' it still tries to do it.. |
| 00:22.14 | gnarface | ext4 might be the actually worst possible filesystem for a raspberry pi |
| 00:23.29 | tuxd3v | I am using it for other sbcs for rootfs, for /boot I just go with ext2.. nojournaling |
| 00:23.50 | tuxd3v | but f2fs seems a good option |
| 00:23.54 | gnarface | i'd almost suggest trying anything else at all, but after extensive testing i can recommend primarily xfs and reiserfs (even on crappy flash cards ext4 will thrash) but i hope that f2fs turns out to be what they claim it to be (haven't had the guts to try that one myself yet though) |
| 00:24.28 | gnarface | yes, i agree on ext2 for /boot. just make it read-only and it doesn't need a journal. then boot is much faster. |
| 00:24.59 | gnarface | if you're still using ext4 then you can use that driver's ext2 compatibility mode, which can save you having to have extra filesystem drivers |
| 00:25.24 | gnarface | but i've had really bad luck with ext4 and usb or sd flash storage |
| 00:25.49 | tuxd3v | gnarface, you mean using only ext4 one, and them disabling journaling? |
| 00:25.54 | gnarface | like enough different separate bad incidents, all explainable, to note a statistically absurd failure rate compared to every single other option |
| 00:26.24 | gnarface | tuxd3v: ext4 *with or without journaling* - disabling journaling just makes it unravel faster |
| 00:26.55 | gnarface | tuxd3v: the read-only ext2 /boot trick is safe though because nothing is ever writing to that partition |
| 00:27.15 | tuxd3v | gnarface, right :) |
| 00:27.41 | tuxd3v | f2fs is in my option list for rootfs |
| 00:28.01 | tuxd3v | zram too |
| 00:28.11 | tuxd3v | for swap |
| 00:28.25 | tuxd3v | with lz4 algo |
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| 00:49.39 | kritias | ayyy peoples, just dropped in to say "hackaton" on the page https://devuan.org/os/install should be "hackathon". peace |
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| 01:38.46 | mason | Unless we want people to hack a ton. |
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| 01:41.12 | hemimaniac | or two |
| 01:42.15 | djph | ^ |
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| 01:43.39 | golinux | That page has been completely rewritten on beta.devuan.org and in effect has been deleted. |
| 01:44.24 | golinux | The link to the beta was published in the beta announcement. |
| 01:44.54 | golinux | Note. I had nothing to do with the original install page. :) |
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| 08:11.14 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
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| 09:37.02 | elc79 | Hi |
| 09:37.41 | elc79 | I tried to install ircd-hybrid but i'm stuck at "Starting Hybrid 8 IRC Server" |
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| 09:49.20 | gnarface | elc79: read the docs. i think you have to wirte a config first... |
| 09:49.25 | gnarface | not sure about that |
| 10:05.17 | Unit193 | There should be an example config, of course. |
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| 10:54.04 | Human_G33k | hello some of you try to use wireguard on devuan |
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| 14:33.55 | fsmithred | hightower3, thanks. That should probably get a debian bug report. |
| 14:34.09 | fsmithred | I'm sure we don't fork that package. |
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| 14:43.41 | kiwi_58 | How can I change the keybord? After install I can not type su-passwort, because the keybord is that wrongly chosen. So I am locked, what can or shall I do? |
| 14:44.16 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 14:44.23 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:44.41 | fsmithred | maybe you already did second one |
| 14:46.15 | kiwi_58 | ... |
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| 15:07.49 | kiwi_58 | Ok, but I can not reach root, shall I reboot and try "chroot" into APT? |
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| 15:33.47 | fsmithred | kiwi_58, yeah, I guess that would work easier than trying to copy/paste into a terminal. (I've done that) |
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| 15:35.10 | fsmithred | chroot and edit /etc/default/keyboard |
| 15:37.25 | fsmithred | or just boot a live-CD, mount the partition and edit the file. |
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| 16:19.15 | kiwi_58 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.36 | kiwi_58 | tia |
| 16:20.09 | kiwi_58 | Shall I try boot parameters? |
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| 18:11.21 | kiwi_58 | So what happens in such cases of spooky hardware, I would (learn to) file a bug report of undetected graphics and would the be glad for a pointer to follow. |
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| 22:42.44 | gnarface | kiwi_58: bugs.devuan.org (but you should make sure to check bugs.debian.org first to make sure it's not already reported there) |
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| 22:57.16 | sacioz | hello ...I need a bit of help regarding beowulf , please. |
| 22:59.53 | gnarface | just ask, sacioz. you don't need permission. |
| 22:59.59 | sacioz | All looks good , but I get no net connection from the 'puter out...this one sits on another hd |
| 23:00.22 | sacioz | thank you... |
| 23:00.25 | gnarface | wifi or ethernet? |
| 23:00.32 | sacioz | ethernet |
| 23:01.29 | sacioz | Up to this morning I was doing OK but a new update came up and ...kaput so to speak |
| 23:03.35 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:03.44 | gnarface | did the kernel upgrade at that time? |
| 23:04.03 | sacioz | no...that one was last night |
| 23:04.20 | gnarface | so you know the kernel upgrade wasn't the culprit? |
| 23:04.31 | gnarface | it could have been a gui networking widget, are you using one of those? |
| 23:04.52 | sacioz | I don't think so yes am using a gui xfce |
| 23:05.01 | gnarface | network-manager or wicd? |
| 23:05.23 | sacioz | wicd I think |
| 23:05.53 | sacioz | gnarface everything looks perfect no losses whatsoever |
| 23:06.06 | sacioz | except for the connection |
| 23:06.26 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:06.35 | gnarface | any errors in dmesg that look relevant? |
| 23:06.52 | gnarface | could be a glitch in wicd |
| 23:07.10 | sacioz | had a look , theres a hint about ufw needing reconf |
| 23:07.38 | sacioz | any advice is mostly welcome |
| 23:07.44 | gnarface | paste that exact error line please |
| 23:08.09 | sacioz | I cannot as is..must swap hds |
| 23:08.13 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:08.14 | gnarface | i see |
| 23:08.15 | gnarface | wait |
| 23:08.18 | gnarface | don't do that yet |
| 23:08.22 | sacioz | but will do if need be |
| 23:08.57 | sacioz | avahi seems absent as well. |
| 23:09.09 | gnarface | were you using it before? |
| 23:09.27 | gnarface | it is possible that an update simply removed some packages you need |
| 23:09.33 | sacioz | Yes...I have two devuans |
| 23:09.33 | gnarface | (possibly due to a temporary conflict) |
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| 23:09.46 | sacioz | in tow separate hds |
| 23:09.50 | sacioz | )) |
| 23:09.58 | sacioz | two I meant |
| 23:10.18 | gnarface | if you were using avahi before, maybe try reinstalling it. try to make the package list of relevant networking packages the same on the non-working install as the working one |
| 23:10.57 | sacioz | I see...will have a crack at it...many thanks |
| 23:11.20 | sacioz | Off I am |
| 23:11.23 | gnarface | sorry i can't be more help. if you get that exact error message and paste it into google though, it often will find you solutions |
| 23:11.52 | sacioz | thank you will try that one too... |
| 23:12.18 | sacioz | and another one ... |
| 23:12.35 | sacioz | beowulf seems heavier sorta thing |
| 23:12.44 | sacioz | ascii is much quicker |
| 23:12.52 | sacioz | par for the course, is it ? |
| 23:13.15 | gnarface | hard to say, but probably actually just that you've installed more active userspace stuff in beowulf |
| 23:13.31 | gnarface | it could also be simply broken temporarily. that is also par for the course |
| 23:13.43 | sacioz | I see ...right... |
| 23:13.56 | gnarface | if it is just wicd that is broken though, you could try disabling it and doing a manual network config just to test to make sure the drivers and hardware are still fine |
| 23:14.13 | sacioz | Huh huh... |
| 23:14.22 | gnarface | and that can get you up and running temporarily while someone fixes wicd (assuming that is the only issue) |
| 23:14.36 | sacioz | nods |
| 23:15.05 | sacioz | well that will do |
| 23:15.05 | gnarface | you're not mixing debian or ubuntu packages in there, right? |
| 23:15.24 | gnarface | sometimes there can be tiny version discrepancies that break stuff |
| 23:15.41 | sacioz | never did or will ,,,Mr.Golinux advises against it in bold letters s/where |
| 23:16.23 | gnarface | yea, just making sure |
| 23:16.39 | sacioz | funny thing...will go now...thanks see youse later |
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| 23:16.52 | gnarface | good luck |
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