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| 01:02.49 | Xenguy | Look at you rap MinceR |
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| 01:12.11 | Bjornn | both my ethernet and my wifi are showing connected. I'm showing ethernet speeds so is the wifi actually being ignored or do they in fact work together |
| 01:14.42 | cush | i use route -n to see where things get directed Bjornn |
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| 01:27.46 | Bjornn | I good idea, thanks cush |
| 01:27.52 | Bjornn | oh* |
| 01:27.54 | Bjornn | haha |
| 01:28.09 | cush | ? |
| 01:28.38 | Bjornn | I meant to say good idea but a cascade of nonsense emerged |
| 01:29.05 | cush | i only saw < Bjornn> I good idea, thanks cush â oh* â haha |
| 01:32.21 | Bjornn | It shows me eth0 and wlan0 |
| 01:33.52 | cush | do you want to use both simultaneously? |
| 01:38.15 | Bjornn | I handn't given it much thought much of it. is it typical? |
| 01:38.22 | Bjornn | well, is anything typical. lol |
| 01:40.50 | cush | i haven't done that |
| 01:41.11 | cush | your ISP is likely slower than the ethernet connection anyway |
| 01:41.54 | Bjornn | ethernet is 83mb and wifi seems to be around 12mb |
| 01:42.23 | Bjornn | I'm not sure what the max is, it's cable so I expect that's probably close to the best they offer for a residential |
| 01:43.29 | cush | okey |
| 01:43.58 | cush | sometimes i wonder if i should package this for devuan http://ziz.gp2x.de/hase/ |
| 01:44.45 | Bjornn | it looks like an intersting game |
| 01:45.07 | cush | the gravity is 'bent' by the 'asteroids' |
| 01:45.35 | cush | to land a long distance shot you have to guess how the gravity field will affect your carrot |
| 01:45.52 | cush | it's a bit like putting on a putting green |
| 01:46.26 | Bjornn | It has kind of a 90's look to it. |
| 01:46.47 | cush | mhm |
| 01:47.14 | Bjornn | does it just need to be compiled for devuan? or would there be some signigicant rewrites for it |
| 01:47.28 | cush | it compiles fine |
| 01:48.46 | cush | it'd need debianization - making debian/rules etc |
| 01:48.52 | cush | not too hard really |
| 01:50.50 | Bjornn | I'm lost on the technical stuff |
| 01:52.10 | cush | if you want to try it i can help you compile it |
| 01:52.50 | cush | there's also binaries http://ziz.gp2x.de/hase/hase-amd64-1.6.7.tar.gz |
| 01:56.19 | Bjornn | ok, I'll grab it and take a quick look |
| 01:56.59 | cush | makin brussels sprouts with good olive oil |
| 01:57.56 | Bjornn | nice. My wife bought a big batch of brussel sprouts this afternoon |
| 01:58.22 | Bjornn | what would be the compile commands on this? |
| 01:59.43 | cush | got to build sparrow3d first, then hase |
| 02:02.40 | cush | so in sparrow3d you'd do make TARGET=amd64 if you have regular 64bit pc |
| 02:11.21 | Bjornn | I'm not sure I have sparrow3d |
| 02:12.27 | Bjornn | I'll have to touch base again in a bit, I have a crying dog here. |
| 02:17.35 | cush | okey |
| 02:17.56 | cush | everything you need to run Hase should be in the .tar.gz |
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| 15:12.48 | openbsdtai123 | having "su -" is not necessary. this will not increased security of debian. I have impression that devuan should go its own way and completely stay Unix like system, without going into direction of Ubuntu and Debian. |
| 15:13.48 | openbsdtai123 | Since Ubuntu took over Debian, Devuan should emerge as an Unix-like system, as it was aimed to be at Potatoe time. I remember Potatoe, this was golden time of Debian. |
| 15:14.30 | MinceR | you would remove the ability to change directory and environment (as a login shell would) from su? |
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| 15:17.31 | cush | su is unix-like. do you refer to sudo openbsdtai123 ? |
| 15:26.30 | openbsdtai123 | I am mentioning more generally, more Linux rather than going to go Unix-like. vi is abandoned, so far,. "less" either, the kernel goes to desktop direction, implements new Desktop interests. ... Linux moves to desktop. |
| 15:29.47 | MinceR | OpenBSD has "su -" too. does that make it not Unix? |
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| 16:12.03 | fsmithred | We are lacking enough devs to split completely from debian. openbsdtai123, which 10,000 packages would you volunteer to maintain? |
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| 16:16.22 | sixwheeledbeast | How did ubuntu takeover debian? |
| 16:17.50 | phillipsjk | I beleive Ubuntu had a wealthy backer who hired staff, mailed out free LiveCDs and the like. |
| 16:18.52 | sixwheeledbeast | The ideal situation would have been to make sure all the debian packages didn't have this dependency on systemd in the first place. |
| 16:19.55 | phillipsjk | systemd is a redhat takeover, not Ubuntu takeover. |
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| 16:27.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Thats the way I see it too, I mean the other init option was from ubuntu in the great init wars all those years ago. |
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| 16:46.24 | zatumil | yes ubuntu linux and systemd are hunting for desktop users, devuan must not do this |
| 16:50.16 | MinceR | they don't even work properly on desktops |
| 16:51.50 | golinux | This is not the systemd debate channel, folks. |
| 16:52.10 | golinux | Take it to #debianfork |
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| 17:25.03 | brocashelm | the main reason i'm still on 16.04 is due to still being allowed to boot with upstart, but devuan all the way! |
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| 18:59.42 | topro_ | hi there, openvswitch experts around? using devuan arm-sdk just built and installed a raspi4 beowulf image, everything looks fine but my openvswitch interface won't start up. Same config on raspi4 with an ascii image i built a couple of months ago using same workflow works flawlessly. any idea? |
| 19:01.30 | topro_ | on boot or when manually trying to start interface with "ifup ovsvlan120" it will block forever with "ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.ovsbr1" where ovsbr1 is the bridge and ovsvlan120 ist the internal vswitch port with vlan tag 120 |
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| 19:10.02 | hemimaniac | im no expert topro but did you cruise around /var to see if something else is generating a lockfile that blocking you, or if it needs a lock, did something change permission wise? |
| 19:11.14 | topro_ | im having a look at /run/network and there is a .ifstate.lock no idea how this might be related and where it comes from |
| 19:11.45 | topro_ | Btw. running ifup on eth0 manually works |
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| 19:49.13 | topro_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=949845#20 seems there is something going on. doesn't match exactly what I am seeing but installing openvswitch from proposed-updates does seem to change something on the locking |
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| 21:53.09 | topro_ | oh noooo, finally it happend what I was {expecting|fearing} package ceph-base lost its init script /etc/init.d/ceph |
| 21:53.13 | topro_ | where to report? |
| 21:53.45 | topro_ | that happend in beowulf-backports/ceres versions 14.x |
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| 22:01.39 | cush | hasnt used ceph yet |
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| 22:07.45 | topro_ | cush: you should consider ;) |
| 22:08.37 | topro_ | whats the devuan workflow to suggest forking a debian package due to systemd-ish shortcomings? |
| 22:09.37 | cush | i should probably note here that suggesting people do the work isn't doing the work :) |
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| 22:25.08 | golinux | topro: File a bug on the Debian package |
| 22:26.54 | golinux | Get your dog and goldfish to file a bug also. |
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| 22:27.37 | golinux | If that fails, perhaps report to the DPL. |
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| 22:56.45 | topro_ | golinux: is debian still supposed to deliver init scripts? |
| 22:58.04 | topro_ | cush: of course you're right, but reporting issues is better than nothing IMHO |
| 23:05.27 | cush | maybe the ceph-maintainers@lists.ceph.com people would honor a request to keep it (with explanation)? |
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| 23:07.42 | topro_ | cush: cannot find any link between ceph-maintainers@lists.ceph.com and upstream debian packaging? what am I missing? |
| 23:08.21 | cush | that's the maintainer listed with apt-cache show ceph |
| 23:16.01 | topro_ | cush: thats strange, tracker.debian.org shows "Ceph Packaging Team <team+ceph@tracker.debian.org>" |
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| 23:21.28 | cush | takes painful, crippled steps to get gst-omx running |
| 23:34.10 | golinux | topro: Hope you can work it out upstream. Or talk to Jessie Smith. Seems I remember he was going to automate inti replacement for systemd. |
| 23:34.16 | golinux | init |
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