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| 00:12.10 | gnarface | sauron-: try sed or awk, grep is more for passive filtering |
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| 00:45.54 | yeti | grep 'tree' story | tail -1 # ? |
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| 00:56.40 | sauron- | yeti again, tail 'hides' the results, i need to delete the rest of the lines from the file |
| 00:57.27 | yeti | redirect to a tmpfile |
| 00:57.37 | yeti | mv tmpfile original |
| 00:57.38 | sauron- | delete/erase those lines and keep only the last one |
| 00:58.49 | yeti | I bet sed can do it directly somehow but I nearly dont use at alll |
| 01:02.59 | syco- | sed -n '$p' |
| 01:03.59 | sauron- | checking.... |
| 01:05.10 | syco- | but same as with tail .. create tmpfile, the overwrite as yeti suggested |
| 01:05.24 | syco- | s/the/then |
| 01:11.59 | sauron- | ok |
| 01:12.03 | sauron- | thanks |
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| 01:28.59 | Wafficus | Hi there, question about the Question Regarding Devuan Beowulf's ISO: Does anyone know which one is the minimal net installer? Is it the "installer-iso" or the "minimal-live" one? |
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| 01:59.29 | fsmithred | Wafficus, I think you want the netinstall iso. |
| 01:59.42 | g4570n | Wafficus: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso |
| 01:59.56 | fsmithred | yeah, that one |
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| 02:23.04 | some_alex | hi! I don't see options to install current testing and unstable on the mirrors. Aren't there any ISOs for these releases yet? |
| 02:27.54 | g4570n | you can upgrade form stable (beowulf) or use the mini.iso |
| 02:33.56 | gnarface | some_alex: it's not usual for there ever to actually be official installers for those releases, the advised method is to upgrade from stable or debootstrap from a live iso |
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| 02:34.22 | gnarface | some_alex: (or just use the live installer of course) |
| 02:35.01 | gnarface | some_alex: the mini.iso is very useful if you don't want a gui for this |
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| 02:38.03 | bsd4me | I run refracta beowulf but since beowulf is now stable, would there be any problem if I changed my sources.list from beowulf to testing? |
| 02:38.33 | nemo | fsmithred: ooh. I've got another fun gaming-related linux issue after going back to amdgpu-pro after last night's failed attempt at using the upstream FOSS stuff with Beowulf |
| 02:39.10 | nemo | fsmithred: Planetary Annihilation a few days ago decided to shift to gcc9 |
| 02:39.52 | nemo | ./PA: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.26' not found (required by ./PA) |
| 02:40.02 | fsmithred | bsd4me, use codenames |
| 02:40.08 | fsmithred | chimaera |
| 02:40.10 | nemo | so... I was curious if it's even possibly to install gcc-9 alongside gcc-8 on Beowulf |
| 02:40.34 | nemo | or, if I should just focus on hacking something together with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or using their "install old versions of game" tool |
| 02:40.34 | fsmithred | upgrades from beowulf to chimaera are untested, so let us know if it works |
| 02:40.42 | bsd4me | fsmithred: ok, thanks |
| 02:40.52 | bsd4me | Will do :) |
| 02:41.07 | fsmithred | I did make a chimaera live iso a couple days ago |
| 02:41.11 | fsmithred | just as a test |
| 02:41.38 | bsd4me | will go through the upgrade and note how it goes |
| 02:42.14 | fsmithred | take a look at current notes for upgrades and migrations to beowulf |
| 02:42.24 | fsmithred | there might be some relevant issues |
| 02:42.32 | bsd4me | oh, ok. Will read |
| 02:42.59 | nemo | hmmmm chimaera does have gcc-9... |
| 02:43.09 | nemo | would it be a bad idea to put that on a computer the whole family is using? |
| 02:43.38 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.47 | fsmithred | we just started working on it |
| 02:43.48 | nemo | aight |
| 02:44.12 | nemo | fsmithred: do you know if force-installing dpkg -i or whatev gcc-9 from chimaera would also break all the things? |
| 02:44.14 | fsmithred | and it's same as bullseye, so debian is still working on it, too |
| 02:44.53 | nemo | or if they are intended for side by side deploy... I see gcc-6 is in beowulf... |
| 02:45.32 | fsmithred | gcc-8 in beowulf |
| 02:45.52 | fsmithred | and gcc-7 |
| 02:46.51 | bsd4me | I have to reboot, so will change sources.list to chimaera and see what it wants apt wants to do before doing upgrade itself. See which gcc it wants to upgrade to. |
| 02:47.09 | nemo | fsmithred: oh. I was seeing 6 too. well, anyway, guess I'll dig up the chimaera package, install it, and cross my fingers |
| 02:47.29 | nemo | at worst hopefully I just break, I dunno, dkms or something |
| 02:47.46 | bsd4me | bbl |
| 02:47.59 | nemo | hm. maybe just the chimaera libstdc++ |
| 02:48.38 | nemo | huh. that's weird. devuan package search isn't finding libstdc++ in chimaera. that seems unlikely |
| 02:49.51 | nemo | well. maybe related to that "just started working on it" ⺠|
| 02:49.54 | Wafficus | Question regarding changing over an existing computer with Debian minimal installation Buster to Devuan. Could this process brick my computer? I ask because I could just easily backup my stuff and redo the entire disk with the Devuan ISO |
| 02:50.21 | Wafficus | however, I wanted to know how effective it would be to literally just swap out Debian Buster with Devuan Beowulf, and if systemd is truly nuked from the computer during the process |
| 02:50.35 | nemo | Wafficus: I tried ubuntu 14.04 to ascii and it was not pretty... |
| 02:50.51 | nemo | Wafficus: I ended up just moving home to a nice safe partition and reinstalling system fresh |
| 02:50.54 | gnarface | nemo: you could make a chroot to run steam from that has gcc9 |
| 02:50.58 | fsmithred | Wafficus, use this: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf |
| 02:51.15 | nemo | gnarface: ugh... soooo messsy. esp since PA *can* be run outside of steam. they even made a tool for it |
| 02:51.15 | gnarface | nemo: (or PA from, but i assume you're doing this through steam) |
| 02:51.19 | Wafficus | hmm that's a good idea to just move the home directory, that's a neat idea |
| 02:51.27 | Wafficus | never thought of that |
| 02:51.37 | Wafficus | I think Distrotube mentioned that on a recent video to easily swap between distros |
| 02:51.37 | nemo | gnarface: https://support.planetaryannihilation.com/kb/faq.php?id=269 they linked me to this as a suggestion, which is my fallback plan |
| 02:51.44 | Wafficus | to like place your /home directory on its own drive |
| 02:51.57 | nemo | Wafficus: yeah, it's way more convenient. you can always just reinstall the tools you need as you run into them |
| 02:51.59 | Wafficus | fsmithred: yes, I've seen this. Looks straight forward |
| 02:52.01 | fsmithred | really, follow the guide if you're going to migrate from bustser to beowulf |
| 02:52.03 | nemo | Wafficus: think of it as a way of ditching junk packages |
| 02:52.16 | fsmithred | there are a couple of non-intuitive points |
| 02:52.36 | Wafficus | interesting. Honestly, the Devuan installer is EXACTLY like the Debian min installer, so I've done it a few times, pretty good stuff |
| 02:52.40 | Wafficus | pretty happy its the same tbh |
| 02:52.48 | nemo | gnarface: hm. chroot seems like a lot of convolution, would be awesome if I could just use LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but I guess worst case.. |
| 02:52.50 | Wafficus | wouldn't mind nuking the drive first to do so you know |
| 02:53.31 | gnarface | nemo: another option would be to just upgrade the whole thing to chimera or ceres but i can't tell you for sure that a chroot won't save more trouble in the long run (especially if something goes wrong) |
| 02:54.16 | nemo | gnarface: yeah, I trust fsmithred telling me that would be bad times |
| 02:55.14 | gnarface | nemo: unfortunately steam handles LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrong so it's useless... sometimes i have managed to get LD_PRELOAD to do what i need though instead |
| 02:55.17 | nemo | gnarface: I'm trying to organise my optinons... "play other stuff" "use their tool to fetch/install pre-2020-05 PA" "hack at ld_library_path" "force install a dpkg from... somewhere... with gcc-9 libstdc++ and cross my fingers" ... |
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| 02:55.27 | nemo | gnarface: well. I'm pretty sure I can just run it from commandline |
| 02:55.34 | nemo | gnarface: it's not like I actually want to use steam ⺠|
| 02:55.57 | nemo | gnarface: preload is indeed awesomesauce. I used it to patch my IPv6 years ago when linux failed hard at it |
| 02:56.10 | nemo | gnarface: (load in a patched function with the appropriate flags) |
| 02:56.13 | gnarface | nemo: yea but the problem is the ripple effect of all the games being programmed to compensate for whatever whack thing Steam is doing, so they in turn still munge it badly in most cases, from what i have gathered (ymmv) |
| 02:56.56 | gnarface | then if the game has it's own sub-launcher things get really much worse |
| 02:57.01 | gnarface | but i think PA does not |
| 02:57.07 | nemo | gnarface: ever played it? |
| 02:57.16 | nemo | ooooh that reminds me. gotta get Spring on this computer |
| 02:57.30 | nemo | let's see what version beowulf has |
| 02:57.47 | gnarface | nemo: yes, i'm a big fan but empirical evidence suggests it's programmed rather badly. how did you get it working on AMD in the first place? |
| 02:58.09 | nemo | gnarface: I haven't yet |
| 02:58.13 | nemo | I used to play it on nvidia |
| 02:58.16 | nemo | this is my first AMD attempt |
| 02:58.23 | gnarface | nemo: oh i see. i wish you luck then |
| 02:58.30 | nemo | well. AMD cpu... but I assume that's not what you meant :p |
| 02:58.53 | gnarface | nemo: well i'm playing it on ceres because stable nvidia drivers fall behind by years at a time |
| 02:59.24 | nemo | gnarface: that's why I did the amdgpu-pro thing - it seems to be working rather well for my limited selection of "demanding" games |
| 02:59.48 | gnarface | nemo: i had heard reports of game-breaking polygon rendering glitches in PA with amdgpu |
| 02:59.54 | nemo | uhoh |
| 03:00.03 | nemo | well. we'll see |
| 03:00.06 | bsd4me | I have both gcc 6 and gcc 8 installed, so apt wants to install gcc 9 |
| 03:00.10 | nemo | "play other stuff" is an option |
| 03:00.10 | gnarface | nemo: yea that was a while back but you haven't gotten gotten that far yet |
| 03:00.31 | nemo | gnarface: Spring *is* rather nice and I haven't tried 1944 in a while, looks like it's a lot more playable these days |
| 03:00.46 | nemo | shame their stable release is so old |
| 03:00.56 | nemo | since naturally that's exactly what devuan used ⺠|
| 03:01.45 | Wafficus | has anyone gotten Steam to work decently? |
| 03:02.03 | Wafficus | I ask because I would be willing to have a totally different Steam based partition for games and emulators for Devuan on another drive |
| 03:02.32 | nemo | Wafficus: depends what you're looking for. |
| 03:02.35 | nemo | seems fine for me |
| 03:02.43 | nemo | Wafficus: I don't mess aroudn with wine ofc |
| 03:02.59 | gnarface | Wafficus: very subjective, i can tell you that over 80% of my games usually work on ceres with the latest nvidia drivers |
| 03:03.16 | nemo | Wafficus: only games currently running in wine are some nostalgia ones (Warcraft III, Spore for the kids) and Untitled Goose |
| 03:03.26 | gnarface | Wafficus: (which ones tend to vary at any given time, but there are definitely some that break more often than others) |
| 03:03.43 | nemo | Wafficus: if you're not on nvidia, this was where I was yesterday. https://m8y.org/tmp/amdgpu.html |
| 03:04.00 | gnarface | Wafficus: oh, and their new proton thing is very handy if you don't want to mess with wine |
| 03:04.14 | Wafficus | mostly for Steam Proton |
| 03:04.21 | Wafficus | As much as I don't mind tweaking my linux comps |
| 03:04.30 | Wafficus | I for one can't stand trying to tweak a game just to work |
| 03:04.37 | Wafficus | I just want to double click and play, no questions asked |
| 03:04.45 | man_in_shack | steam proton sounds like a malaysian car |
| 03:04.48 | Wafficus | however, I only casually play them to be honest |
| 03:04.58 | nemo | Wafficus: it's a liiiittle annoying which is why I tend to stick to the Linux ones on steam. but my daughter really really really wanted to play untitled goose ⺠|
| 03:04.58 | Wafficus | so its not like an imperative thing. |
| 03:05.06 | gnarface | Wafficus: well, it's going to be disappointing in that regard compared to windows, but the ones that work well really shine for performance usually |
| 03:05.09 | nemo | I wish steam would filter their offers to linxu only |
| 03:05.16 | nemo | or offer it as an option |
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| 03:06.02 | gnarface | Wafficus: if you do it, make sure you use the package in the devuan repo NOT the one from the steam website |
| 03:06.45 | Wafficus | gnarface: yeah I know, luckily the games I kind of sometimes play aren't too too demanding |
| 03:07.01 | Wafficus | mostly the building type games like Minecraft, Terraria, Stardew Valley. I do like the Warriors Orochi games though |
| 03:07.14 | Wafficus | however, I've kind of out grown the need honestly, and its like a sometimes thing |
| 03:07.25 | Wafficus | I'm more into emulators if I'm in that mood anyway, so its not a deal breaker |
| 03:07.29 | man_in_shack | craftview terravalley |
| 03:08.07 | gnarface | Wafficus: well, let me know if you need help with it, a large amount of the issues just boil down to untracked dependencies, or version conflicts |
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| 03:08.41 | gnarface | Wafficus: sometimes you have to add some junk to a particular game's launch options |
| 03:08.55 | gnarface | Wafficus: sometimes you have to force it to use the system libSDL2 |
| 03:08.58 | gnarface | Wafficus: stuff like that |
| 03:09.19 | Wafficus | gnarface: gotcha |
| 03:09.34 | Wafficus | gnarface: cool, I appreciate that |
| 03:09.45 | Wafficus | yeah for now, I have my Steam install on my Arch partition on the desktop |
| 03:10.02 | Wafficus | however that has blowed up so many times from me literally doing nothing that I am thinking about just abandoning that partition and wiping it |
| 03:10.11 | Wafficus | the Arch install was a learning experience though |
| 03:10.34 | gnarface | hehe, a learning experience in risk aversion, eh? |
| 03:10.36 | Wafficus | when I asked about that issue too, it most likely is a Nvidia video card driver issue which is weird since I had the latest drivers on that machine |
| 03:10.41 | Wafficus | yeah possibly |
| 03:10.45 | Wafficus | honestly, I just liked the whole Debian way |
| 03:10.50 | Wafficus | stability, never have to check on it |
| 03:10.55 | Wafficus | yeah, you got old packages that are annoying |
| 03:11.04 | nemo | Wafficus: Factorio? |
| 03:11.06 | Wafficus | but man, at least the damn thing will boot if needed |
| 03:11.23 | gnarface | nvidia driver issues do plague the gaming experience but overall the least of all their competitors |
| 03:11.23 | Wafficus | nemo: what? |
| 03:11.39 | nemo | Wafficus: building type game that is linux friendly |
| 03:11.56 | nemo | not sure if that's your kind of building tho |
| 03:11.58 | gnarface | oh yea, factorio worked right out of the box, no tweaking |
| 03:11.58 | Wafficus | ah I see never played it |
| 03:12.12 | nemo | gnarface: there's a freenode channel too ⺠|
| 03:12.17 | nemo | fan one I think |
| 03:12.23 | nemo | gnarface: KSP worked out of the box too |
| 03:12.29 | Wafficus | the only game that was kind of slight crashing was that Warriors Orochi 4 game though which was kind of disappointing |
| 03:12.37 | gnarface | nemo: KSP does not work out of the box if you don't have pulseaudio installed |
| 03:12.38 | Wafficus | as I would prefer to play that on PC with a better framerate than on my Switch or something |
| 03:12.46 | nemo | gnarface: meh. |
| 03:12.54 | nemo | gnarface: libpulse surely works? |
| 03:13.01 | nemo | as interface to alsa |
| 03:13.10 | gnarface | Wafficus: oh yea, not having pulseaudio installed is a common tripping point for a few games but i've managed to avoid actually being forced to run it with some trickery |
| 03:13.31 | nemo | gnarface: frankly if you don't have pulseaudio installed you'll have run into need for libpulse interface well before that. firefox for example now uses pulse api only |
| 03:13.33 | gnarface | nemo: you have to symlink libpulse to /dev/null then force it to use that |
| 03:14.01 | gnarface | nemo: no, the firefox-esr builds in the repo do not require pulseaudio anymore |
| 03:14.15 | nemo | gnarface: ah. don't really use ESR |
| 03:14.18 | gnarface | nemo: actually the regular firefox build in ceres right now might not either but i'm not sure... |
| 03:14.21 | nemo | but surprised they chose to maintain that |
| 03:14.34 | nemo | gnarface: firefox wrote their own audio system in rust, but chose pulse as the api layer |
| 03:15.01 | nemo | due to, well, needing to pick something. doesn't seem like that big a deal though, since pulse api exists for alsa these days |
| 03:16.12 | nemo | gnarface: but yeah, of the thirty linux games in my steam library, this issue with PA was the first problem I ever had |
| 03:16.18 | gnarface | Wafficus: i got your back on steam controller support without systemd, too, there's some custom udev rules |
| 03:16.18 | nemo | apart from Witcher 2 and nouveau long ago |
| 03:16.56 | gnarface | i think i have around like 80 games, and it's rare for them all to work at once but usually only one or two are persistently broken |
| 03:17.29 | gnarface | thanks to the latest proton release i finally have Magicka 1 working |
| 03:17.46 | gnarface | and Bioshock2 working again after it broke in wine |
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| 03:18.00 | gnarface | (Bioshock2 original release) |
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| 03:19.15 | some_alex | gnarface: so if I have a beowulf install how do I upgrade to these releases? |
| 03:20.01 | gnarface | some_alex: process for that hasn't changed from Debian; basically you just change your sources.list then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 03:20.29 | devuan | hello guys, when launching xterm, it reports problems with fonts.. |
| 03:20.32 | devuan | https://paste2.org/C3XVapIg |
| 03:20.32 | gnarface | some_alex: only thing different is the repo url and release code names |
| 03:21.32 | gnarface | devuan: if it's complaining that they're missing, just install them from the repo |
| 03:21.49 | devuan | the problem is what fonts |
| 03:21.52 | devuan | :S |
| 03:22.15 | gnarface | devuan: if you need me to take a look at the paste, use paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me directly |
| 03:22.39 | gnarface | devuan: most the fonts that are going to be relevant to you are in packages named ttf-* or fonts-* |
| 03:23.01 | nemo | gnarface: you into FOSS games at all? |
| 03:23.14 | nemo | gnarface: Wesnoth, Spring, Hedgewars |
| 03:23.21 | gnarface | nemo: ioquake3 |
| 03:23.22 | man_in_shack | blob wars |
| 03:23.39 | nemo | gnarface: ah. not a huge FPS fan |
| 03:23.43 | devuan | nemo does you play Wesnoth? |
| 03:23.46 | nemo | yes |
| 03:23.49 | devuan | I am a big fan of it |
| 03:24.11 | devuan | just can't pass the level I am into the 3rd campain |
| 03:24.13 | nemo | devuan: I've done most of the single player campaigns. aaaand some multiplayer. but not much. mostly just casual friends/families |
| 03:24.36 | nemo | devuan: used to savescum but not much anymore. it's pretty easy to ensure the expendables take the hit on an aggresssive expansion on normal |
| 03:24.47 | devuan | I didn't kew we can play in network in Wesnoth :) |
| 03:25.00 | nemo | devuan: oh sure. if it wasn't so late I'd setup a game |
| 03:25.20 | nemo | devuan: I mean, it's right in the main menu. 3rd from top ð |
| 03:25.32 | gnarface | alright, take the game-specific issues into #debianfork |
| 03:25.35 | nemo | I think it even works on the Android port |
| 03:25.38 | devuan | nemo, is there a big amount of players? |
| 03:25.59 | nemo | gnarface: hmmmm even if I'm asking specific beowulf questions like "what happens if I install gcc-9" using dpkg in beowulf? :p |
| 03:26.17 | gnarface | nemo: some people around here may even object to Steam support issues, it's just a warning |
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| 03:26.20 | devuan | ok gnarface, sorry but it was about wesnoth, nevertheless you right |
| 03:27.00 | gnarface | nemo: IMO the gcc9 think is at the boundary but not crossing it. Wesnoth strategy discussions definitely cross it though |
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| 03:27.53 | gnarface | i have no authority here, i'm not reprimanding either of you, i'm just voicing a warning before we all get busted :) |
| 03:27.55 | nemo | hm... well. anyway. if someone can help me find a .deb for a libstdc++ compiled by gcc9 would appreciate it. I'm feeling adventurous |
| 03:28.31 | gnarface | if it's not in beowulf-backports i think the chroot honestly only SOUNDS like more trouble |
| 03:28.52 | gnarface | backporting libstc++ is going to put you in a world of pain |
| 03:29.14 | gnarface | i went through this over a earlier gcc version during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade |
| 03:29.25 | gnarface | you're gonna end up backporting half the distro |
| 03:29.47 | gnarface | by the time you finish you might as well have just upgraded to testing or used a chroot |
| 03:30.38 | gnarface | if it IS in beowulf-backports already, goodness just get it from there and save yourself the headache of building it |
| 03:32.15 | gnarface | with a chroot at least all you waste is disk space; the risk of hosing the whole install is relatively low |
| 03:32.44 | nemo | gnarface: well wasn't thinking of backporting so much as force-installing the lib |
| 03:32.47 | nemo | with no deps |
| 03:32.52 | nemo | then seeing if I could just point PA at it |
| 03:33.00 | nemo | and crossing my fingers that the rest resolves |
| 03:33.29 | gnarface | nemo: best case scenario is it works fine but you introduce random crash gremlins throughout the entire system |
| 03:34.34 | nemo | gnarface: mmm welll could just unpackage the .deb and point the problematic program at it with ld_library_path without actually installing... |
| 03:34.40 | nemo | I guess at that point I'm halfway to a chroot |
| 03:34.44 | nemo | *sigh* |
| 03:35.00 | gnarface | nemo: it gets easier every time |
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| 03:36.44 | gnarface | nemo: i dunno, unpacking it into the game's install directory then trying to force the game to use those versions with environment variables or something could work. don't let me stop you from trying if you really want |
| 03:37.03 | gnarface | nemo: i just can't actually meaningfully help you accomplish that |
| 03:38.25 | nemo | chroot seemed like a lot to maintain, but I guess it just boils down to grabbing a ceres iso and burning a bit more disc space |
| 03:38.31 | nemo | and it's not like I have a shortage of that |
| 03:38.42 | gnarface | nemo: no you can just debootstrap into a directory then chroot into that |
| 03:38.48 | gnarface | nemo: no need to get a iso |
| 03:39.02 | nemo | oh... got a guide to link to? sounds like I need one |
| 03:39.08 | gnarface | nemo: only real issue is the ~2GB disk space overhead |
| 03:39.11 | gnarface | uh... hmmm |
| 03:39.16 | nemo | 2GB O_o |
| 03:39.19 | nemo | but eh. |
| 03:39.26 | nemo | /dev/sda1 7.2T 3.0T 4.0T 43% / |
| 03:39.28 | gnarface | all the gcc crap |
| 03:41.37 | gnarface | nemo: maybe this? https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 03:41.56 | nemo | k |
| 03:42.04 | gnarface | nemo: that may complicate it a little. i'm not sure copying /etc/hosts and /proc/mounts matters |
| 03:45.07 | gnarface | nemo: actually, just try this: debootstrap chimera ./targetdir http://deb.devuan.org/merged |
| 03:45.30 | gnarface | nemo: then: mount -o bind /sys ./targetdir/sys |
| 03:45.40 | gnarface | nemo: then repeat this ^ for /proc, /dev, and /dev/pts |
| 03:45.42 | nemo | ok. lessee. where shall I put this |
| 03:45.49 | gnarface | nemo: then just chroot ./targetdir /bin/bash |
| 03:46.21 | gnarface | nemo: when you're done with it, just ctrl+d to exit out, but you might want to make sure to unmount all those bind mounts too |
| 03:46.27 | gnarface | nemo: (may not matter) |
| 03:47.29 | gnarface | this is also a very useful trick for getting a clean build environment without polluting your base install |
| 03:48.24 | nemo | E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/chimaera |
| 03:48.37 | nemo | eh. it's late anyway |
| 03:48.41 | nemo | will fiddle with this tomorrow |
| 03:48.45 | gnarface | wait, what about with ceres? |
| 03:48.52 | gnarface | is that not the devuan version of debootstrap? |
| 03:49.03 | gnarface | maybe it just hasn't been patched for chimera yet |
| 03:49.12 | gnarface | maybe even if it's the devaun version |
| 03:49.23 | gnarface | it might just need to recognize chimera as a valid release name |
| 03:49.29 | gnarface | i haven't tested it with chimera yet, only with ceres |
| 03:49.46 | gnarface | actually i've tested it with ceres, ascii, AND beowulf, just not chimera |
| 03:50.07 | gnarface | but i also know it won't work with the debian version of debootstrap |
| 03:50.14 | gnarface | (for any devuan version) |
| 03:52.11 | nemo | gnarface: I installed bootstrap on beowulf so you'd think it'd be the devuan one... |
| 03:52.19 | nemo | Preparing to unpack .../debootstrap_1.0.114+devuan2_all.deb ... |
| 03:52.26 | nemo | oh well g'nite |
| 04:03.42 | devuan | does any one knows, how to execute '/usr/bin/xterm -e /usr/sbin/Ceni' in a button, in openbox? |
| 04:04.03 | devuan | Ceni is a network manager, but it needs root |
| 04:04.10 | devuan | also it runs in a terminal |
| 04:04.29 | devuan | I have a button for it, but it doesn't launch it |
| 04:04.41 | devuan | tought on the terminal I can launch it correctly |
| 04:07.33 | devuan | I assigned a button to this command, but to no avail :( |
| 04:13.35 | gnarface | nemo: on ceres /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/chimaera is just a symlink to /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ceres anyway, i'd say just symlink and try again |
| 04:14.14 | gnarface | nemo: or do it with ceres, the difference may be negligible to you if this is all you're going to do with it... |
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| 04:59.07 | bsd4me | fsmithred: I did a 2-step upgrade. First ran apt upgrade after changing sources.list to chimaera, then rebooted and checked how it operated. Everything seemed fine, so then I ran apt dist-upgrade, installed new kernel, and rebooted. |
| 04:59.15 | bsd4me | Linux refracta 5.6.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-1 (2020-05-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:59.48 | bsd4me | Not one problem with upgrading so far. Everything seems to be operating correctly |
| 05:19.30 | some_alex | gnarface: thanks! I just never really upgraded my Debian-based systems because I've been distro-hopping for some time |
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| 05:29.22 | frabbit | is there a way to write german umlauts whith an us keyboardlayout? |
| 05:29.39 | frabbit | oh and the § |
| 05:30.00 | frabbit | also ° seems to be missing on us layout |
| 05:30.12 | tuxd3v | frabbit, maybe a papyrus is good for that? |
| 05:30.44 | frabbit | tuxd3v: a papyrus? =D |
| 05:30.53 | frabbit | u mean paper |
| 05:30.57 | frabbit | ? |
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| 05:31.20 | Wafficus | Hi there, I have a question regarding rebooting with Devuan without systemd |
| 05:31.32 | Wafficus | I'm used to systemctl reboot or systemctl poweroff |
| 05:31.39 | Wafficus | what are the Devuan variants without systemd? |
| 05:32.19 | frabbit | Wafficus: reboot and shutdown -h now |
| 05:32.34 | frabbit | tuxd3v: this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_(software) |
| 05:32.50 | Wafficus | oh ok thanks |
| 05:32.55 | Wafficus | I have another question |
| 05:32.58 | Wafficus | I completely redid my current system from start to finish with Devuan. I've got two questions, why is it that when I log off from AwesomeWM into LightDM, I'm not given the option to be able to powerdown or restart? |
| 05:33.22 | Wafficus | I'm able to select from the top right menu to attempt to select these options to restart or powerdown |
| 05:34.02 | Wafficus | but they're greyed out for some reason and don't allow me to choose any option |
| 05:34.08 | Wafficus | not sure if this is a LightDM specific problem though |
| 05:36.59 | frabbit | Wafficus: ah i had this too.. let me check logs what this was... |
| 05:38.57 | Wafficus | ok thanks |
| 05:40.16 | frabbit | Wafficus: oh sorry, that wasnt from lightdm it was from de menu... D= |
| 05:41.53 | Wafficus | this issue is here https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/lightdm/issues/2 |
| 05:41.57 | Wafficus | the problem is that I'm wondering |
| 05:42.00 | Wafficus | because I've used lightdm |
| 05:42.05 | Wafficus | does that mean lightdm installed systemd? |
| 05:42.16 | Wafficus | I ask because I specifically chose Devuan to NOT use systemd |
| 05:42.26 | frabbit | systemd affects alot of packages... |
| 05:42.33 | Wafficus | or is it a case in which lightdm is dependent upon systemd in the first place so thats why it can't work without it |
| 05:42.41 | frabbit | but reboot and shutdown from lightdm works |
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| 05:42.52 | frabbit | on devuan |
| 05:43.15 | Wafficus | not on my build for whatever reason |
| 05:43.18 | Wafficus | they're greyed out |
| 05:44.33 | Wafficus | I installed it from apt, if that helps |
| 05:44.44 | frabbit | you probably need these consolekit policykit something i dunno, i needed to install some of that to get graphically things to work, but i cant give u a tutorial cause i dont use a dm, or a fm that can mount as non root user and so on |
| 05:45.39 | frabbit | and i didnt sorted my notes what i was needed to do for taht system with similiar problems yet |
| 05:46.34 | frabbit | maybe this: https://packages.debian.org/buster/policykit-1-gnome |
| 05:46.36 | Wafficus | ah I see |
| 05:46.48 | Wafficus | is it possible to then remove lightdm at this point? |
| 05:46.55 | Wafficus | what would I then use instead? |
| 05:48.10 | frabbit | i had installed slim first on that beginner system but somehow it crashes often when wicd-gtk is installed too (maybe thats different for you) |
| 05:48.20 | frabbit | after that i tried xdm yesterday |
| 05:48.53 | frabbit | but with slim and xdm u cant reboot or shutdown thats what u need to know |
| 05:49.09 | Wafficus | I gotcha |
| 05:49.13 | frabbit | you would need to make that with the de menu |
| 05:49.27 | frabbit | but u said u are using awesome? |
| 05:49.37 | frabbit | so probably no de there? |
| 05:49.39 | Wafficus | anyway |
| 05:49.48 | Wafficus | yeah just using AwesomeWM |
| 05:49.59 | Wafficus | I tried doing "reboot" and "shutdown" |
| 05:50.02 | Wafficus | both as a regular user |
| 05:50.02 | tuxd3v | Wafficus, type this on your system |
| 05:50.04 | Wafficus | and as root |
| 05:50.07 | tuxd3v | 'if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi' |
| 05:50.08 | Wafficus | neither worked unfortunately |
| 05:50.11 | frabbit | k then u need to a su shell or sudo |
| 05:50.54 | Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi |
| 05:50.55 | frabbit | Wafficus: u catn run these commands as non root |
| 05:50.56 | Wafficus | -bash: acpi_available: command not found |
| 05:50.58 | Wafficus | false |
| 05:51.15 | Wafficus | not in my case for whatever reason |
| 05:51.17 | Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ reboot |
| 05:51.19 | tuxd3v | I have it |
| 05:51.19 | Wafficus | -bash: reboot: command not found |
| 05:51.28 | frabbit | Wafficus: you need to be root |
| 05:51.36 | Wafficus | I tried that as well |
| 05:51.37 | Wafficus | same thing |
| 05:51.52 | frabbit | you cant reboot or shutdown as root? o_0 |
| 05:51.55 | tuxd3v | package: 'powermgmt-base' |
| 05:51.56 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# shutdown -h |
| 05:51.58 | Wafficus | bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 05:52.11 | frabbit | erm... |
| 05:52.40 | Wafficus | tuxd3v: is that for users like myself who don't want systemd? |
| 05:52.49 | Wafficus | the 'powermgmt-base' package? |
| 05:52.59 | tuxd3v | this is for everybody on x86 :) |
| 05:53.08 | frabbit | but shutdown for example must be in the sysvinit package: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/sysvinit-core/filelist |
| 05:53.09 | tuxd3v | yes, check if you have it |
| 05:54.20 | tuxd3v | Wafficus, dpkg -l |grep powermgmt-base |
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| 05:54.47 | Wafficus | yes, as in it DOES contain systemd? |
| 05:54.51 | tuxd3v | Wafficus, well, are you in x86? |
| 05:54.53 | tuxd3v | :D |
| 05:55.12 | tuxd3v | no devuan doesn't contain systemd |
| 05:55.18 | Wafficus | gotcha |
| 05:55.24 | Wafficus | I saw this possible solution |
| 05:55.25 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 05:55.26 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# dpkg -l | grep powermgmt-base |
| 05:55.28 | Wafficus | ii powermgmt-base 1.34 all common utils for power management |
| 05:55.49 | Wafficus | I saw this solution https://bgstack15.wordpress.com/2019/09/01/devuan-with-lightdm-and-xfce-will-not-let-user-reboot-or-shutdown-from-user-session/ |
| 05:55.49 | tuxd3v | yo you have it.. |
| 05:55.53 | tuxd3v | type as root |
| 05:55.59 | Wafficus | I tried |
| 05:56.05 | tuxd3v | if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi |
| 05:56.23 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false; fi |
| 05:56.25 | Wafficus | bash: acpi_available: command not found |
| 05:56.27 | Wafficus | false |
| 05:56.53 | tuxd3v | apt-get install --reinstall powermgmt-base |
| 05:57.57 | Wafficus | ok doing so now |
| 05:58.19 | Wafficus | did that |
| 05:58.22 | Wafficus | still the same result |
| 05:58.29 | Wafficus | oroot@samdevuan:/home/sam# reboot |
| 05:58.31 | Wafficus | bash: reboot: command not found |
| 05:58.33 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# poweroff |
| 05:58.35 | Wafficus | bash: poweroff: command not found |
| 05:58.43 | Wafficus | * ignore the "oroot", initial command got cut off |
| 05:59.04 | tuxd3v | your system is incomplete for sure.. |
| 05:59.23 | Wafficus | all I did was install the min install via the Devuan Beowulf net installer |
| 06:00.20 | tuxd3v | it could be that now there are more options for init systems there.. |
| 06:01.07 | Wafficus | I did the suggested first option |
| 06:01.11 | Wafficus | sysinit or something like that |
| 06:01.22 | Wafficus | * for people who don't know what they're doing... aka me |
| 06:01.32 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 06:01.37 | tuxd3v | do this |
| 06:01.40 | tuxd3v | dpkg -l| grep sysvinit-core |
| 06:02.10 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# dpkg -l | grep sysvinit-core |
| 06:02.12 | Wafficus | ii sysvinit-core 2.93-8+devuan1 amd64 System-V-like init utilities |
| 06:02.33 | frabbit | something seems broken then... |
| 06:02.41 | tuxd3v | whait, you should have a problem with your PATH..sorry for not get it sooner |
| 06:02.55 | tuxd3v | echo $PATH |
| 06:03.01 | Wafficus | as root, or reg user? |
| 06:03.07 | tuxd3v | you should have something like: |
| 06:03.10 | tuxd3v | as root |
| 06:03.24 | Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# echo $PATH |
| 06:03.26 | Wafficus | /home/sam/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 06:04.01 | tuxd3v | \/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 06:05.03 | tuxd3v | you don't have :/sbin |
| 06:05.21 | Wafficus | I see... do I have to redo the install then? |
| 06:05.32 | tuxd3v | ho you also don't have \/usr/local/sbin |
| 06:06.01 | frabbit | me neither =) |
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| 20:52.36 | Wafficus | should I just use st surf instead? |
| 20:52.49 | Wafficus | I ask because I received the same XPCOM error for Waterfox and IceCat |
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| 20:54.23 | frabbit | Wafficus: surf2 is cool =) |
| 20:54.49 | frabbit | im pretty sure that i will purge firefox soon and only use surf2 and lynx |
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| 20:57.08 | frabbit | surf2 with patches of course |
| 21:03.48 | Wafficus | surf2 is like qutebrowser right? |
| 21:03.52 | Wafficus | but without tabs rihgt? |
| 21:03.54 | Wafficus | *right |
| 21:09.24 | frabbit | i dunno |
| 21:09.34 | frabbit | qutebrowser... |
| 21:09.41 | frabbit | must hava a look |
| 21:09.47 | frabbit | but yes no tab in surf |
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| 21:11.03 | frabbit | yug qute is written in js... |
| 21:11.09 | frabbit | surf is written in C |
| 21:15.53 | Acacia | you can use a program called tabbed to do tabs with surf, it's suggested somewhere, I don't have it installed right now |
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| 21:16.02 | Acacia | either the man page or the FAQ on its website |
| 21:18.55 | kjjjnob | Devuan support Gnome 3.3x without systemd? |
| 21:20.17 | fsmithred | gnome 1:3.30+1 in beowulf |
| 21:21.49 | kjjjnob | ceres support the lastest version? |
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| 21:26.05 | frabbit | Acacia: a patch probably |
| 21:28.32 | fsmithred | gnome 1:3.30+2 in chimaera/ceres |
| 21:30.58 | fsmithred | note that 'devuan' does not appear in the version. That means we're using the un-changed debian package. |
| 21:31.17 | fsmithred | so, ceres=sid, chimaera=bullseye |
| 21:31.48 | fsmithred | pkginfo.devuan.org to check packages/versions |
| 21:37.11 | frabbit | ejr is sure that corona is a fake or something similiar. |
| 21:37.18 | frabbit | whoops... off-topic |
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| 21:44.23 | Guest60258 | hi |
| 21:44.33 | ejr | lel |
| 21:44.39 | Guest60258 | Wafficus: which version of icecat? |
| 21:45.04 | Wafficus | latest version |
| 21:45.09 | Wafficus | Version 60.7.0 |
| 21:45.14 | Wafficus | from their download mirror |
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| 21:46.13 | Wafficus | I'm trying this because as much as I like Qutebrowser |
| 21:46.22 | Wafficus | it just refuses to work for Digitalocean.com's website for some reason |
| 21:46.26 | Wafficus | like it won't get past the sign in page |
| 21:46.28 | Guest60258 | i've built IceCat GNUzilla-68.9.0 for beowulf amd64 |
| 21:46.44 | Guest60258 | https://www.gnuinos.org/IceCat-68.9.0/ |
| 21:46.51 | Wafficus | wait, there's a version past 60.7.0? |
| 21:47.06 | Wafficus | on their site, it only have 60.7.0 listed in the folder directory as the latest one |
| 21:47.38 | Guest60258 | yes, somebody updated the script by Rubén Rodriguez |
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| 21:49.00 | Guest60258 | https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnuzilla.git |
| 21:49.34 | Wafficus | https://www.gnu.org/prep/ftp.html |
| 21:49.46 | Wafficus | sorry wrong link |
| 21:49.48 | Guest60258 | Mark H Weaber, concretly |
| 21:49.57 | Wafficus | https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/ |
| 21:50.00 | Wafficus | ^ |
| 21:50.34 | Guest60258 | I tested my tarball for a few minuts and worked fine |
| 21:50.57 | Guest60258 | put it at /opt and run the icecat-bin binary |
| 21:51.54 | Wafficus | I see |
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| 21:52.17 | Wafficus | just download gnuzilla-68.tar.gz and do tar -xvf (tarball file) |
| 21:52.27 | Wafficus | and then place it in /opt like you mentioned and run it? |
| 21:52.30 | Guest60258 | i want to build the .deb packages including the internationalization |
| 21:52.44 | Guest60258 | yes |
| 21:52.48 | Wafficus | I don't have a /opt directory though? |
| 21:52.50 | Wafficus | *though |
| 21:53.00 | ejr | what was the file again and where can it be found, which helps to reduce the shutdown time on luks-encrypted devuan installations? |
| 21:53.26 | ejr | when i shutdown my machine, it always hangs at "sda5_crypt... " for a while and shows an error, then turns off |
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| 21:53.39 | ejr | and i once read somewhere that some file in i think grub needs to be replaced |
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| 21:54.25 | absinthe | heh, if you find the answer i might find it useful too :> |
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| 21:55.40 | ejr | i think there is some file on github or gitlab or so, absinthe, but couldnt find it yet....i'll keep searching and let you know if i find it tonight |
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| 21:56.04 | absinthe | cool. i'm doing some research on my side as well :> |
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| 21:56.20 | absinthe | (will let you know as well if i find something) |
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| 21:58.41 | Wafficus | I placed it into ~/utilities/gnuzilla-68 directory |
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| 21:59.41 | Wafficus | so basically, I did ./makeicecat in that same directory |
| 21:59.48 | Wafficus | however, its complaining it needs 'hg' |
| 21:59.48 | Wafficus | that's mercurial right? |
| 21:59.48 | Wafficus | ./makeicecat: line 64: hg: command not found |
| 21:59.53 | Guest60258 | ok, but you can create the /opt file |
| 21:59.54 | Guest60258 | hg is mercurial |
| 22:00.07 | Guest60258 | you also need bzr (bazar) |
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| 22:00.29 | Guest60258 | and the "rename" package |
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| 22:02.11 | Wafficus | wait isn't python-dbus part of systemd? |
| 22:02.23 | Wafficus | its one of the requirements for bzr |
| 22:02.47 | Guest60258 | mozilla depends on libdbus |
| 22:02.54 | Wafficus | isn't that systemd? |
| 22:03.31 | Guest60258 | not exactly, there are dh-systemd, etc... |
| 22:03.45 | Guest60258 | the browser will work without dbus |
| 22:03.58 | Wafficus | ah screw that then |
| 22:04.05 | Wafficus | I don't want anything to do with systemd |
| 22:04.15 | fsmithred | dbus is not systemd |
| 22:04.57 | fsmithred | it's interprocess communication, been in debian longer than systemd |
| 22:04.58 | Guest60258 | but uses systemd |
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| 22:05.05 | Guest60258 | but uses dbus, i mean |
| 22:06.02 | fsmithred | running without dbus is possible, but a lot of things normally present in a desktop system won't work |
| 22:06.07 | Wafficus | then why is it installing python-dbus in one of the dependencies? |
| 22:06.19 | Wafficus | via either bzr or mercurial |
| 22:06.22 | Wafficus | *forget which one |
| 22:06.31 | Wafficus | saw it on the dependencies it was installing |
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| 22:07.06 | Wafficus | so, is there an internet browser that's modern, but not Chromium, and doesn't depend on systemd? |
| 22:07.14 | Wafficus | is there such a browser, or am I screwed in that regard? |
| 22:07.22 | fsmithred | I have no idea why it has the dependencies that it does |
| 22:07.27 | Guest60258 | on dbus? |
| 22:07.30 | Wafficus | gotcha |
| 22:08.09 | fsmithred | I'm pretty sure that those dbus libraries can't do anything if dbus isn't present and running |
| 22:09.16 | fsmithred | firefox will run without dbus |
| 22:09.54 | Wafficus | better safe than sorry to not use it then |
| 22:09.57 | Wafficus | kind of disappointing |
| 22:10.09 | Wafficus | I wonder what in the hell browser doesn't use Chromium infested bs, or isn't systemd based |
| 22:10.14 | Wafficus | its like a lose-lose situation |
| 22:10.27 | fsmithred | lynx? |
| 22:10.46 | Wafficus | I've been using w3m |
| 22:10.53 | fsmithred | close enough |
| 22:10.56 | Wafficus | but I'll still need a GUI browser for like banking and stuff like that |
| 22:11.01 | Wafficus | and to access Digital Ocean's site |
| 22:11.10 | fsmithred | links2 will run in graphical mode and makes the web look like 1995 |
| 22:11.11 | Wafficus | qutebrowser won't log me into Digital ocean, not sure why |
| 22:11.27 | ejr | w3m with some customization (e.g. vim keybindings) works great for most purposes |
| 22:11.36 | ejr | i use palemoon+pentadactyl for banking and stuff |
| 22:11.40 | Guest60258 | Wafficus: maybe Otter browser? |
| 22:11.40 | Guest60258 | http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/o/otter-browser/ |
| 22:11.50 | fsmithred | you'll probably need javascript to do banking |
| 22:12.33 | Guest60258 | i don't know sure, because it's in Qt5 |
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| 22:14.04 | Wafficus | I see, Otter browser hmm |
| 22:14.43 | Guest60258 | here you are the website: https://otter-browser.org/ |
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| 22:15.01 | Guest60258 | fsmithred: one parenthesis... |
| 22:15.34 | Guest60258 | today i've built gnuinos beowulf with runit, but i need to test it |
| 22:15.44 | fsmithred | :) |
| 22:16.22 | Guest60258 | yesterday i was wrong at some points, talking about /etc/service |
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| 22:17.57 | Guest60258 | on the other hand, i also talked about my services for the virtual ttys, but they are provided by tthe *getty-run* package |
| 22:18.38 | fsmithred | I don't remember you talking about that |
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| 22:19.41 | fsmithred | I need to go to the kitchen |
| 22:19.45 | fsmithred | bbiab |
| 22:19.54 | Guest60258 | i thought that /etc/runit/runsvdir/default pointed to /etc/service, but it's in the other way around, so, the packaging is right |
| 22:20.12 | Guest60258 | and i need to reboot, see you tomorrow :) |
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| 22:31.18 | ejr | absinthe: i think it's the cryptsetup-functions file... |
| 22:31.26 | ejr | but i have yet to find the updated one that fixes the bug |
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| 22:31.38 | ejr | *cryptdisks-functions |
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| 22:32.27 | ejr | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=7675#p7675 |
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| 22:35.14 | fsmithred | ejr, https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cryptsetup-modified-functions/blob/master/cryptdisks-functions |
| 22:36.05 | ejr | ahh that's what i was looking for, thanks fsmithred! i can just cp that over the old cryptdisks-functions, right? no other commands necessary? |
| 22:36.11 | Wafficus | I'm still doing the make install and its still waiting on this part |
| 22:36.13 | Wafficus | s|www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/icecat-help|libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/Help|g |
| 22:36.14 | fsmithred | correct |
| 22:36.15 | Wafficus | is that normal? |
| 22:36.29 | fsmithred | it might get overwritten if cryptsetup gets an update |
| 22:36.33 | fsmithred | so save a copy |
| 22:36.34 | Wafficus | my laptop's pretty hot for doing this build from source task with the ./makeicecat thing |
| 22:37.18 | fsmithred | Wafficus, use cpulimit |
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| 23:08.00 | TheBlueWizard | I have some questions about upgrading to Beowulf from Ascii: do I need to do the upgrading from console with apt-get, or can I do that from Synaptic? And do I need to stop GUI first? |
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| 23:12.19 | golinux | TheBlueWizard: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf |
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| 23:13.26 | TheBlueWizard | I am already looking at it and it seems to say use comsole...am not sure |
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| 23:16.20 | golinux | I wouldn't use synaptic to upgrade. |
| 23:19.06 | TheBlueWizard | OK |
| 23:19.40 | TheBlueWizard | And prolly better to not be in GUI as well then |
| 23:19.45 | TheBlueWizard | thanks |
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| 23:33.38 | absinthe | ah! tyvm for this cryptsetup fix, it works like a charm <3 |
| 23:38.43 | Wafficus | I'm in the output folder for icecat from gnuzilla |
| 23:38.48 | Wafficus | aka icecat-68.9.0 |
| 23:38.55 | Wafficus | however I don't see an executable that was made with the makefile |
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