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| 00:07.44 | ibanja | I get to "Run the partitioner now?" and choose skip, because I have LVM partitions, and I can only choose physical volumes. |
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| 00:14.28 | fsmithred | ibanja, which iso are you using? |
| 00:15.00 | fsmithred | installer iso or live iso? |
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| 00:21.45 | ibanja | using devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso |
| 00:24.33 | fsmithred | ok, you can do it with the cli installer |
| 00:25.09 | fsmithred | open the lvm first. If it's encrypted, open the encrypted volume first. |
| 00:25.26 | fsmithred | then in terminal run 'sudo refractainstaller' |
| 00:25.47 | fsmithred | and when it asks what partitions to use, you type in the /dev/mapper/name |
| 00:26.47 | ibanja | when you say open the lvm first, do you mean activate? |
| 00:27.02 | fsmithred | if you need more detailed instructions, let me know. I'm just sitting here watching a movie. |
| 00:27.16 | fsmithred | yeah, vgchange -ay something |
| 00:27.22 | fsmithred | volume name |
| 00:28.01 | fsmithred | you can run vgscan or vgdisplay before and after to see what you have |
| 00:28.12 | fsmithred | and what you've done |
| 00:29.08 | fsmithred | the installer will let you have separate /boot and /home partitions |
| 00:29.19 | ibanja | OK... just ran refractainstaller ... that's familiar... |
| 00:29.31 | fsmithred | oh, that helps |
| 00:30.21 | ibanja | Looks good... thanks fsmithred |
| 00:30.45 | fsmithred | if the lvm is in an encrypted volume, you need to edit /etc/crypttab manually |
| 00:32.28 | fsmithred | I'm happy to see that someone actually used it for lvm. |
| 00:33.51 | ibanja | ok... thanks |
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| 01:29.52 | bgstack15 | Everything I do uses lvm... if I get a choice. |
| 01:30.07 | bgstack15 | The last time I chose to skip lvm, I ended up realizing later that I wanted to extend space... but now I couldn't... |
| 01:33.22 | fsmithred | symlink is your friend |
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| 02:02.47 | DarwinElf | on four my Devuan 3 systems (converted from Debian 9, upgraded) there's no kern.log/dmesg, and trying to halt/reboot/shutdown, some those commands can't find runlevel, and they all ' timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl'... three when powered off & on don't bring up ethernet/network (but can start manually, requiring ifconfig, etc.)... what could've gone wrong on the upgrade/conversion? |
| 02:04.33 | EHeM | DarwinElf: Might you have installed some Devuan packages, but left some Debian packages behind? |
| 02:06.25 | EHeM | DarwinElf: Look for "obsolete" packages in your favorite package manager and see whether they should be removed. |
| 02:07.42 | DarwinElf | i doubt it |
| 02:08.15 | gnarface | does /run/initctl even exist? |
| 02:08.48 | gnarface | my guess is also that you have a incomplete upgrade, but maybe it's more about missing packages than the wrong versions of them |
| 02:09.15 | gnarface | run this once as a sanity check; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:09.28 | gnarface | if your install was complete and i'm wrong about it, then this should execute no changes |
| 02:09.59 | DarwinElf | favourite package manager? Does *BSD-style pkg or basic GNU/Linux/Slackware slackpkg work? Of course, I did that on the first upgrade and sometimes since. Apt autoremove showed nothing |
| 02:10.01 | gnarface | if i'm right, you'll be prompted with packages to install/upgrade/remove or possibly an error about a broken/missing package or other related failure |
| 02:10.15 | DarwinElf | i'll try it again anyway |
| 02:10.34 | gnarface | my favorite of the tools are apt-cache and apt-get |
| 02:10.54 | gnarface | if you paint yourself into a corner, aptitude is known for being decent at thinking for you though, and proposing solutions |
| 02:12.12 | gnarface | also, make sure you read the release notes, especially about the consolekit/elogind thing. they're mutually exclusive, functionally, even though the packages themselves don't enforce it, so if you're upgrading from debian there's a good chance you're left with both in which case neither work |
| 02:12.35 | gnarface | (would be expected to cause certain permissions errors) |
| 02:14.51 | DarwinElf | On each, /run/initctl exists, and 'The following packages will be upgraded: ca-certificates linux-libc-dev' |
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| 02:17.06 | DarwinElf | i don't remember what page I read about switching, but it was likely on Devuan.org, then when/before I finally did, I was surprised how easy it was. It had already become much simpler, and someone here maybe linked me an official page about it, if I hadn't found it... the instructions became maybe 1/4 or 1/10 the original size... |
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| 02:20.41 | DarwinElf | maybe the problem is they're in OpenVZ emulators/virtual-machines (emu/VM, run by a virtual private server, VPS, company) but those were setup for Debian operating system (OS) images? I'm thinking the OpenVZ are setup for systemd, as if the VPS company really believe system administrators (sysadmins) now normally want systemd... |
| 02:21.33 | DarwinElf | and maybe that's the case... maybe other than systadmins in name, most real ones are retired/deceased by now... |
| 02:24.15 | DarwinElf | i haven't really done much on most the servers, so an option is just erase & retry... |
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| 02:28.31 | gnarface | sorry, i could only speculate, but the systemd thing does sound like a potential suspect |
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| 02:28.48 | gnarface | i don't know enough about openvz to be sure, but their documentation would mention it |
| 02:29.25 | gnarface | neither ca-certificates nor linux-libc-dev should affect this, if those are really the only things not upgraded |
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| 02:36.27 | DarwinElf | yeah. So I think I'm going to try one re-install/-upgrade (from Debian 10) anyway, and anything I'm not sure I'm doing right, hopefully I could ask here. If that doesn't work, I'll eventually have to switch VPS company unless they offer 'real' servers... any suggestions? This one was just $15/year for 128MB RAM and 12GB storage... of course, I might pay half or more of $15/month to install anything I want in KVM, but that's not affordable currently. |
| 02:36.27 | DarwinElf | Low-powered system resources is okay because it's just for IRC programs/clients... |
| 02:41.52 | gnarface | my suggestion would be to try it on bare metal in the same room as you first |
| 02:42.15 | gnarface | reduce the total amount of variables in order to solve the formula easier |
| 02:44.49 | gnarface | after that it should be easier to know which vps service to use |
| 02:46.30 | gnarface | the problem with a virtual machine is you can't see the actual startup and shutdown messages so you're shooting blind for the important parts of the process |
| 02:47.13 | gnarface | and yea, systemd *probably* breaks it, but there's no way of knowing if that's all that is wrong at this point |
| 02:49.42 | gnarface | although i recall last i did this, i used a Xen image, not OpenVZ. if the company you're using also offers both, try Xen. it might matter, but importantly, this last time i tried it i'm pretty sure was before hosting companies had widely switched to the systemd debian versions |
| 02:49.46 | DarwinElf | i think I've changed Debian to Devuan before on one of my PCs, when it was much more difficult... |
| 02:51.44 | DarwinElf | might try it anyway, at least on a system that may be emu/VM, but is on my own non-systemd PC... or can try it on a laptop in a few days... |
| 02:58.38 | EHeM | There is work under way to getting Xen operational on Raspberry PI 4s, it appears it will take a number of versions to become properly operational, but steps are being taken. |
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| 06:04.39 | se7en | gnarface: I have fixed my audio. I have determined the issue stems from confusion over the latest changelog |
| 06:04.55 | se7en | Despite not having pulseaudio, I commented out a conf file installed by default |
| 06:05.06 | se7en | The one at /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf |
| 06:05.09 | DarwinElf | thanks |
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| 06:57.11 | kreyren | Anyone having issues with lightdm on devuan testing? |
| 07:27.17 | man_in_shack | define "issues" |
| 07:27.40 | kreyren | man_in_shack, after lockscreen it freezes and has to be restarted through SSH |
| 07:28.10 | kreyren | might be something that i've caused though since i am on franken |
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| 07:33.55 | kreyren | lightdm/stable,now 1.26.0-4 amd64 [installed] |
| 07:40.06 | gnarface | probably graphics driver related, kreyren |
| 07:40.53 | gnarface | if it's a franken-devuan install though, some dependency version problem is possible |
| 07:44.25 | kreyren | gnarface, why do you think it's graphics driver? |
| 07:47.34 | gnarface | kreyren: based on your description of the problem, and my own statistical observations |
| 07:47.39 | gnarface | kreyren: i could be wrong |
| 07:48.46 | gnarface | kreyren: but you might even be able to avoid the issue by changing to a non-3d lockscreen and a non-compositing desktop |
| 07:49.39 | gnarface | if that worked, it would be one way to know for sure anyway |
| 07:49.39 | kreyren | doesn't seem to be related to graphics driver http://ix.io/2oXS, but it seems to be related to the frontend used for XFCE4 ? |
| 07:50.29 | gnarface | use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually click on it |
| 07:50.30 | kreyren | gnarface, true, will try thanks for info ^-^ |
| 07:50.43 | gnarface | my second guess was going to be power management |
| 07:51.26 | kreyren | gnarface, > Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB -- on paste.debian.net |
| 07:51.36 | kreyren | second guess noted |
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| 12:10.56 | splinterbyte | I have just install a VM on KVM from devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso |
| 12:11.09 | splinterbyte | and I'm having this problem: |
| 12:11.10 | splinterbyte | root@mx:~# lvs |
| 12:11.10 | splinterbyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.13 | splinterbyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.17 | splinterbyte | ... |
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| 12:11.32 | splinterbyte | latest updates installed |
| 12:15.00 | fsmithred | splinterbyte, are you working in a chroot? |
| 12:15.23 | splinterbyte | no |
| 12:15.26 | fsmithred | if so, bind-mount /run/udev to /target/run/udev |
| 12:16.56 | splinterbyte | yes I found some posts here and there but not my situation |
| 12:17.34 | splinterbyte | could be this perhaps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676612 |
| 12:17.39 | splinterbyte | lvm related |
| 12:17.42 | fsmithred | oh yeah, in some cases people mounted /run/lvm or something like that |
| 12:18.04 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I know a fix |
| 12:18.26 | fsmithred | edit a few lines in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf so that lvm does not use udev |
| 12:18.31 | fsmithred | hang on a sec. |
| 12:18.38 | splinterbyte | I can do that |
| 12:19.00 | splinterbyte | but earlier I installed a VM from devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso and that didn't have that problem |
| 12:19.34 | splinterbyte | so there seems to be a difference |
| 12:21.36 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21501#p21501 |
| 12:21.49 | fsmithred | four lines to change |
| 12:22.00 | splinterbyte | Unfortunately I don't have that earlier installed VM anymore, so I can't compare |
| 12:22.53 | fsmithred | I don't know why netinstall would be different. Did you select a mirror with the server iso? |
| 12:23.16 | splinterbyte | yes |
| 12:24.02 | splinterbyte | I'll implement the lvm config change |
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| 12:24.30 | fsmithred | if you used the desktop-live iso, the lvm.conf already has those edits |
| 12:24.47 | fsmithred | minimal-live, also has it |
| 12:26.44 | splinterbyte | it was devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso |
| 12:26.57 | splinterbyte | from this mirror https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ |
| 12:28.06 | fsmithred | whether the problem occurs or not might be random. It seems to be inconsistent. |
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| 12:31.47 | splinterbyte | ok works, thanks ! |
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| 13:25.01 | zatumil | Good to see devuan gitea migration! Sadly, the deb package is not maintained anymore and broken because of missing sources. |
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| 16:28.43 | golinux | poster is in Germany |
| 16:29.16 | golinux | Oops. Ignore . . . |
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| 17:11.43 | kreyren | How do i tell aptitude to install a package from a different origin ? i.e frankenbian with debian and devuan providing same version of xfce4-session where the devuan version is expected |
| 17:12.29 | debdog | -t |
| 17:17.09 | kreyren | debdog, ain't an option since the -t is using stable and testing on both debian and devuan |
| 17:17.20 | kreyren | aldo i guess i could use -t beowulf then? |
| 17:22.28 | kreyren | didn't work so i've pinned it instead~ |
| 17:22.32 | kreyren | debdog, thanks though ^-^ |
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| 17:58.11 | Guest73468 | hi |
| 17:59.11 | Guest73468 | i'll upload an image of gnuinos beowulf with runit as init system: |
| 17:59.13 | Guest73468 | https://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/2020-06-12--1591982924_1600x900_scrot.png |
| 17:59.22 | Guest73468 | i have it working |
| 18:00.12 | Guest73468 | the menu of openbox is dynamic,and it'll be also multilingual (i'm working on that) |
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| 18:07.48 | Guest73468 | bbl |
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| 18:56.19 | Xelraa | gnu is not unix |
| 18:56.36 | Xelraa | i mean seriously this gnu project is like a big joke |
| 18:56.46 | Xelraa | stallman is living on a homeless shelter |
| 18:56.51 | Xelraa | I hope this gets removed from the net |
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| 18:57.29 | Xelraa | btw this openrc initsystem is partial as I saw for devuan I did a vm install test with openrc as the main init |
| 18:57.41 | Xelraa | it loads some stuff from that then the rest through the old init system |
| 18:57.46 | Xelraa | so whats the point really |
| 18:57.53 | Xelraa | i dont need openrc anyway just tried |
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| 19:28.38 | aitor | who mentioned openrc? |
| 19:29.36 | Guest35735 | i uploaded it: https://www.gnuinos.org/Beowulf/ |
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| 20:22.36 | Garb0 | Is networkmanager ported yet |
| 20:23.00 | Garb0 | on ceres |
| 20:26.17 | bgstack15 | my Ceres system looks ready to start downloading and installing it. |
| 20:28.19 | fsmithred | Garb0, we don't fork network-manager anymore. Don't need to. |
| 20:29.35 | bgstack15 | we don't need to, as in it somehow does not have unsightly dependencies in Debian? |
| 20:29.38 | bgstack15 | color me surprised! |
| 20:32.10 | Garb0 | fsmithred, wicd and connman are trash but ok |
| 20:34.11 | fsmithred | you can use network-manager if you want to |
| 20:34.36 | fsmithred | It might even become the default in chimaera, since wicd is missing. |
| 20:34.43 | fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. |
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| 20:36.56 | kelsoo1 | Strange how we all consider software in different ways. I've been using wicd for 12 years without issue... Now if we were talking abaut Gnome :-) |
| 20:44.40 | bgstack15 | yeah, i'm a huge wicd fan. i tested connman in fsmithred's live iso and it was ok |
| 20:53.58 | MinceR | i prefer wpa_cli, especially now that it doesn't crash all the time |
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| 21:00.53 | sacioz | Hi all , is synaptic causing problems to anyone at all ? |
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| 21:03.36 | sacioz | It is gone out of the window , it seems , |
| 21:08.36 | sacioz | busy , busy , busy....I see . Ta . |
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| 21:22.47 | EHeM | How much experience with "apparmor" is on this channel? I didn't think I modified syslog-ng's configuration that much, but apparmor certainly doesn't like it. |
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| 21:24.20 | specing | EHeM: I have enough experience to know that it's a total joke |
| 21:24.28 | specing | That's one week worth of it |
| 21:25.00 | freem | runit-init is not yet considered a candidate for "init"? |
| 21:25.43 | specing | EHeM: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3578 |
| 21:31.04 | EHeM | Problem I'm running into is syslog-ng appears to be in complain mode and it is producing rather a lot of audits, enough audits for me to worry about how large the system log is getting... |
| 21:32.58 | EHeM | Notably it is giving messages about accesses to /proc/####/cmdline, /proc/####/loginuid and /proc/####/sessionid; the one I've noticed most is the nameserver process on the machine. |
| 21:33.14 | EHeM | specing: Installed the "apparmor" package? |
| 21:33.49 | freem | can't just have logrotate or similar thing setup? |
| 21:35.40 | EHeM | freem: The correct course with something like this is to get it to *not* produce so many messages, I'm not actually too concerned about it filling up /var, more that it is a *lot* of noise that shouldn't be there. |
| 21:35.41 | specing | EHeM: read the thing before you accuse me of missing the basics |
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| 22:07.05 | frabbit | i want to xopy a whole system to another ssd. is that possible with tools from devuan repos? |
| 22:07.10 | frabbit | *copy |
| 22:07.46 | freem | cp -ar ? |
| 22:07.48 | ShorTie | cp -a will work |
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| 22:08.05 | ShorTie | oops, ya -ar |
| 22:08.17 | freem | probably needs root rights, though |
| 22:08.35 | freem | otherwise the user permissions won't be correct, I suppose. |
| 22:08.36 | ShorTie | and not runnin |
| 22:08.59 | ShorTie | you can rsync it too, then it canbe running |
| 22:09.32 | EHeM | There is also `tar` or `dump`/`restore`, or potentially `dd` depending upon the actually desired operation. |
| 22:09.46 | freem | dd seems a bit... violent? |
| 22:10.16 | freem | also needs the destination's capacity >= source's one |
| 22:10.32 | ShorTie | not violet, but is not forgiving at all |
| 22:10.51 | frabbit | freem: o_0 "cp -ar / /dev/ssd_on_usb_adapter" really? |
| 22:11.17 | frabbit | but its encrypted |
| 22:11.17 | MinceR | you'd need to make a filesystem and mount it |
| 22:11.23 | freem | ah... true, that'll create problems, since recursive? |
| 22:11.34 | freem | and yes, destination needs to be mounted |
| 22:11.44 | ShorTie | i don't know if it only works on a pi, but there is rpi-clone that will clone a running system |
| 22:11.44 | MinceR | maybe cp can do exceptions already |
| 22:11.53 | MinceR | you probably don't want to copy /dev either |
| 22:11.54 | freem | I doubt cp would work from a living system |
| 22:11.56 | MinceR | or /proc |
| 22:12.11 | MinceR | well, the results could be somewhat inconsistent |
| 22:12.16 | freem | well, /proc, /dev, /sys... |
| 22:12.21 | frabbit | ok so encrypt the ssd, create same filesystem (ext2 for example) and then just copy? but what abot the partitons? |
| 22:12.30 | ShorTie | the actual rsync line will work on anything |
| 22:13.02 | frabbit | looks for rsync |
| 22:13.04 | stiltr | -x will keep cp on one filesystem |
| 22:13.38 | EHeM | Favored tool for the sort of situation being described is `tar`. |
| 22:14.01 | frabbit | btw: what about uuids in /etc/fstab? |
| 22:14.13 | frabbit | and maybe on some other playes? |
| 22:14.27 | ShorTie | only dd will keep that correct |
| 22:14.29 | frabbit | the new ssd will have a different one |
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| 22:15.12 | frabbit | dd if=/ of=/device ? |
| 22:16.08 | ShorTie | nop, be more like dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc |
| 22:16.24 | frabbit | er yeah sorry |
| 22:16.33 | ShorTie | drive can not be mounted for dd to work |
| 22:17.05 | frabbit | but first encrypt and then open and mount /dev/sdc(foobar)? |
| 22:17.17 | frabbit | oh |
| 22:17.42 | ShorTie | So So Sorry, know nuffin about encrypt |
| 22:17.43 | frabbit | but i need to open the luks thing |
| 22:17.49 | ShorTie | ?me not nasa |
| 22:17.50 | frabbit | =/ |
| 22:18.02 | frabbit | nasa? |
| 22:18.07 | frabbit | or nsa |
| 22:18.18 | ShorTie | either, lol. |
| 22:18.21 | frabbit | =D |
| 22:18.33 | freem | why do you want to actually copy? Would not it be easier to install from debootstrap on the encrypted disk? |
| 22:18.37 | ShorTie | ie: nuffin important here .. :/~ |
| 22:18.38 | EHeM | frabbit: Assume all the UUIDs in /etc/fstab will be invalidated. |
| 22:18.49 | frabbit | Ehyeah ive said that |
| 22:18.53 | frabbit | EHeM: |
| 22:19.01 | frabbit | freem: ermm |
| 22:19.10 | frabbit | i dont know debotstrap |
| 22:19.10 | ShorTie | dd will preserve them |
| 22:19.39 | freem | debootstrap is a software that allows to install a debian-like on a target. |
| 22:19.47 | frabbit | i said copy because i want the system 1o1 on another disk |
| 22:19.50 | freem | without going throught the installer, ofc. |
| 22:19.54 | EHeM | It is possible to change the UUID of some filesystems (check `tune2fs` for ext[234]), but you're better using a fresh filesystem. |
| 22:20.09 | frabbit | freem: but i dont want to reinstall the system |
| 22:20.19 | frabbit | EHeM: thx =) |
| 22:20.22 | freem | k |
| 22:20.47 | frabbit | lets see |
| 22:20.52 | frabbit | how about this: |
| 22:21.57 | EHeM | I prefer using the PARTUUID since I've got a server with VMs, and the filesystem UUIDs are a potential route of attack. |
| 22:22.43 | stiltr | If you're using luks, you'll be using /etc/cryptab rather than /etc/fstab for disk/partition UUIDs |
| 22:23.09 | stiltr | s/cryptab/crypttab/ |
| 22:23.26 | frabbit | new ssd -> encrypting except /boot -> partitioning the same way i partitioned the old hdd -> open that thing as external device in that running system i want to copy "cryptsetup luksOpen bla" -> mount all partitions -> copy partition after partition to the new ssd -> change UUIDS on the SSD system to the UUIDS the partitions on the ssd got |
| 22:23.35 | frabbit | would that work? |
| 22:23.59 | se7en | gnarface: http://ix.io/2p1q |
| 22:24.08 | se7en | the output of debsums --config | grep FAILED |
| 22:24.58 | se7en | oh, sorry |
| 22:25.01 | se7en | that isn't the full output |
| 22:25.28 | stiltr | frabbit: Probably easier to just change crypttab/fstab to match the new UUIDs, but otherwise sounds reasonable. |
| 22:25.53 | stiltr | Oh, that's what you said. Sorry, misread... |
| 22:26.29 | se7en | http://ix.io/2p1r |
| 22:26.48 | frabbit | stiltr: i cant find that cryptab |
| 22:27.01 | frabbit | oh |
| 22:27.04 | frabbit | crypttab |
| 22:27.07 | frabbit | xD |
| 22:28.36 | frabbit | ok thats a bit more then just cp but if it will work =) |
| 22:28.45 | frabbit | stiltr: thx |
| 22:28.51 | frabbit | and thx to all the others too |
| 22:30.56 | stiltr | Good luck! |
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| 22:35.09 | frabbit | stiltr: thx =) |
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| 22:54.37 | freem | do someone know if there is a way to prevent dpkg to auto enable sysvinit daemons? |
| 22:54.46 | freem | on installations/upgrades, I mean |
| 22:58.34 | stiltr | How are you disabling them? |
| 22:58.58 | freem | usually, update-rc.d daemon remove |
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| 23:00.45 | gnarface | se7en: i told you i'm not clicking on that unless you use paste.debian.net; if your paste is larger than their max paste size then you're pasting way more than i can make use of anyway |
| 23:04.00 | stiltr | freem: Hmm. I don't know of a way to prevent those hooks from running. I know some packages will have a /etc/defaults/pkg with an enable flag... |
| 23:07.41 | freem | ah, sad. ty anyway |
| 23:08.21 | stiltr | I'm certainly no expert though, so that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
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| 23:09.14 | stiltr | You could probably do something like modify the /etc/rc.x/ symlinks to be essentially noops and then chmod +i them, but I don't know that that would be the best idea. |
| 23:12.42 | gnarface | freem: it's so simple to edit the symlinks to just all have K instead of S as the first character. write a simple shell script |
| 23:13.14 | gnarface | freem: or just use the update-rc.d tool in a loop |
| 23:13.41 | freem | my question is about the installs and updates, more updates than installs, though. |
| 23:13.58 | freem | Of course I can setup some hack, but I wondered if there is a cleaner way :) |
| 23:16.38 | gnarface | nothing i've heard of, not even with preseeding |
| 23:17.21 | gnarface | nothing that would be universally applicable to all packages anyway. i'm sure one or two of them might be able to be effectively disabled from their dpkg-reconfigure panels, but that would be rare |
| 23:17.47 | freem | ok Thanks |
| 23:18.14 | gnarface | also, automating that would still be harder than calling update-rc.d in a loop |
| 23:18.42 | gnarface | a shockingly large amount of the time, a simple bash script is actually the best choice |
| 23:19.00 | gnarface | it never looks that way until you start doing it even when it's not though |
| 23:19.30 | freem | well, I practice my bourne skill on a regular basis, so I see what you mean |
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| 23:35.08 | stiltr | You might be able to do something like mv /etc/init.d/pkg /etc/init.d/pkg-noauto and use dpkg --path-exclude /etc/init.d. Or you could use dpkg --pre-invoke to patch out the update-rc.d part of postinst. s/update-rc.d/#update-rc.d/ or something like that? |
| 23:35.39 | stiltr | freem: ^^ |
| 23:38.45 | chapolin | anybody can help me with the sound please...everytime i reboot i lost it... |
| 23:39.10 | chapolin | i am a long time user of slackware...little experience with debian like distros |
| 23:39.28 | gnarface | chapolin: i might be able to help, if you can tell me what you do to get it working every time first |
| 23:39.58 | chapolin | man...i do so much things and suddenly it works...i could not tell one single thing |
| 23:40.09 | chapolin | my card is recognized |
| 23:40.21 | gnarface | interesting, but that doesn't give us enough to go on really |
| 23:40.35 | gnarface | what card is it? |
| 23:40.37 | chapolin | the pulseaudio plugin is the one who does not get it |
| 23:40.54 | chapolin | 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio |
| 23:40.58 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:41.03 | gnarface | alright |
| 23:41.18 | gnarface | well, first you gotta narrow it down between alsa and pulseaudio |
| 23:41.19 | chapolin | in alsamixer she appears...but without sound |
| 23:41.31 | stiltr | So ALSA always recognizes it after a reboot? |
| 23:41.35 | chapolin | yes |
| 23:41.41 | chapolin | but not pulseaudio |
| 23:41.57 | chapolin | the pulseaudio plugin works just fine in slackware |
| 23:42.19 | chapolin | but in devuan when i open it the app doesnt even are loaded |
| 23:42.29 | chapolin | so i use pulseaudio --start |
| 23:42.46 | chapolin | and then pulseaudio get my sennheiser headphone amp |
| 23:42.58 | chapolin | and hdmi audio by one of my monitors |
| 23:43.01 | chapolin | but no realtek |
| 23:43.11 | chapolin | and suddenly she appears |
| 23:43.13 | gnarface | so maybe pulseaudio just isn't starting automatically for your user, but once you start it manually everything works fine? |
| 23:43.21 | chapolin | no no |
| 23:43.32 | chapolin | i started it but without luck |
| 23:43.38 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:43.54 | chapolin | then i keep unloading and loading and eventually works |
| 23:43.55 | fsmithred | I've seen PA fail to connect if there's no audio apps open |
| 23:44.16 | fsmithred | and then work correctly if an audio app is open |
| 23:44.39 | chapolin | you mean if i have some source playing audio the daemon got it? |
| 23:44.51 | gnarface | chapolin: i would like you to do a test for me while it's "not working:" speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -D hw |
| 23:45.12 | fsmithred | yeah, try opening a music or video app and then open, um |
| 23:45.13 | fsmithred | shit |
| 23:45.14 | chapolin | the last time the sound magically started to work...but no volume control...not in alsamixer nor pulseaudio |
| 23:45.21 | fsmithred | the PA volume control thingy |
| 23:45.28 | gnarface | pavucontrol |
| 23:45.29 | fsmithred | pavucontrol |
| 23:45.35 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 23:45.49 | chapolin | speaker-test 1.1.8 |
| 23:45.50 | chapolin | Playback device is hw |
| 23:45.50 | chapolin | Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels |
| 23:45.50 | chapolin | WAV file(s) |
| 23:45.50 | chapolin | Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy |
| 23:46.01 | gnarface | suspicious |
| 23:46.09 | chapolin | no shit |
| 23:46.14 | chapolin | its driving me crazy |
| 23:46.18 | gnarface | something already grabbed it, fsmithred might be onto something |
| 23:46.45 | fsmithred | lsof might know something |
| 23:46.49 | gnarface | yea |
| 23:46.53 | gnarface | or fuser? |
| 23:47.04 | gnarface | i think they'd both get you the information |
| 23:47.35 | chapolin | jesus...this lsof is a mess...what can i grep here? |
| 23:47.58 | fsmithred | grep pulse, snd |
| 23:48.06 | fsmithred | dunno |
| 23:48.08 | fsmithred | alsa? |
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| 23:48.33 | chapolin | still a lot of info |
| 23:48.43 | chapolin | if i paste it here it will be a flood |
| 23:48.48 | fsmithred | no |
| 23:48.52 | gnarface | should be some alsa devices in /dev/snd, see any programs opening something in there? |
| 23:48.55 | fsmithred | bot will bounce you |
| 23:49.04 | chapolin | ive grepped alsa and pulse |
| 23:49.11 | chapolin | let me loog |
| 23:49.13 | chapolin | look |
| 23:50.16 | gnarface | when i start playing a mp3 here without pulseaudio anyway, i see the program directly access /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 23:50.33 | gnarface | (in addition to the expected .so files) |
| 23:51.02 | chapolin | by-id controlC0 controlC2 hwC2D0 pcmC0D0p pcmC0D2c pcmC1D0p pcmC2D3p pcmC2D8p seq |
| 23:51.02 | chapolin | by-path controlC1 hwC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D1p pcmC1D0c pcmC1D1p pcmC2D7p pcmC2D9p timer |
| 23:51.10 | chapolin | this is what i have in /dev/snd |
| 23:51.42 | gnarface | yea, that's completely expected. but lsof should tell you what is accessing them at the moment. if there's no audio playing, there shouldn't be ANYTHING accessing them |
| 23:51.49 | chapolin | yeah |
| 23:52.00 | fsmithred | did you edit the autostart file for PA? |
| 23:52.35 | chapolin | i see them processes in lsof...i am playing some youtube channel and there is a lot of firefox processes calling drivers from /dev/snd |
| 23:52.50 | chapolin | fsmithred, no |
| 23:52.55 | gnarface | chapolin: kerblam, there's your smoking gun then |
| 23:53.01 | chapolin | i didnt edit nothing |
| 23:53.09 | gnarface | chapolin: stop firefox then try the speaker-test again |
| 23:53.23 | fsmithred | oh, there's a line that needs to be commented or uncommented |
| 23:53.32 | fsmithred | this is beowulf, right? |
| 23:53.39 | gnarface | chapolin: (additionally, and i don't know how this could have escaped notice, but youtube channels definitely count as "something playing audio") |
| 23:53.46 | chapolin | speaker-test 1.1.8 |
| 23:53.46 | chapolin | Playback device is hw |
| 23:53.46 | chapolin | Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels |
| 23:53.46 | chapolin | WAV file(s) |
| 23:53.46 | chapolin | Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy |
| 23:54.01 | gnarface | hmmm. this is beowulf, right? |
| 23:54.05 | chapolin | even with firefox out of the way still something is grabbing the resource |
| 23:54.11 | chapolin | yes |
| 23:54.22 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.23 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.30 | gnarface | i did have an issue after upgrading one of these systems where pulseaudio wasn't starting right for all the users. turned out to be something i did wrong with the lightdm install but i forget what exactly. |
| 23:55.06 | gnarface | but that user wouldn't have audio because lightm was expecting pulse to be present somehow? dunno, might also have been related to KDE, i'm not the primary user of that system |
| 23:55.17 | chapolin | autospawn=no |
| 23:55.25 | chapolin | should i comment it? |
| 23:55.25 | fsmithred | yeah, comment that line |
| 23:55.51 | chapolin | i am using xfce for what is worth |
| 23:55.59 | fsmithred | ok, good |
| 23:56.36 | fsmithred | that's the default, so we know it better |
| 23:56.38 | chapolin | it says clearly if i am not using systemd i should comment it |
| 23:56.49 | fsmithred | comment out that sucker |
| 23:56.53 | chapolin | should i reboot? |
| 23:56.58 | fsmithred | I did it in the live |
| 23:56.59 | fsmithred | no |
| 23:57.19 | fsmithred | maybe log out and in, or do 'init 1' |
| 23:57.39 | chapolin | be back in a min |
| 23:57.43 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:58.19 | fsmithred | my recollection is that killing PA is nearly impossible, but I guess they changed that. |
