| 00:00.08 | tuxd3v | but tpur colors report always 8 |
| 00:00.18 | tuxd3v | tpur -> tput |
| 00:03.31 | gnarface | tuxd3v: i think you need a terminal that supports 256 colors, and i'm not sure xterm does |
| 00:03.51 | gnarface | tuxd3v: does it work with rxvt-unicode-256color? |
| 00:04.19 | tuxd3v | gnarface, I don't have rxvt to test :S |
| 00:04.29 | tuxd3v | the strange part is |
| 00:04.43 | tuxd3v | even setting TERM=xterm-256color |
| 00:04.58 | tuxd3v | and langhing xterm, it is in 8 bit mode :/ |
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| 00:05.27 | tuxd3v | I believe is possible but it needs to be compiled with that option.. |
| 00:05.43 | gnarface | maybe so |
| 00:10.54 | yeti | xterm-256color |
| 00:10.58 | yeti | here |
| 00:11.15 | yeti | and $ tput colors |
| 00:11.17 | yeti | 256 |
| 00:11.34 | yeti | de??an's default xterm |
| 00:11.47 | yeti | XTerm*decTerminalID: vt340 |
| 00:11.49 | yeti | XTerm*numColorRegisters: 256 |
| 00:11.59 | yeti | in .Xresources |
| 00:12.11 | yeti | but that may be independent... and only needed for sixels... |
| 00:12.32 | yeti | but sure wont harm if there and not needed |
| 00:13.38 | tuxd3v | the strange thing |
| 00:13.45 | yeti | me= |
| 00:13.45 | tuxd3v | with TERM=xterm |
| 00:13.55 | tuxd3v | and tput colors 8 |
| 00:14.01 | tuxd3v | if I do this: |
| 00:14.14 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.26 | tuxd3v | it really prints the total pallete of colors |
| 00:14.34 | tuxd3v | even tput reporting 8 |
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| 00:18.37 | tuxd3v | by some reason that I don't uderstand lol it now is working with TERM=xterm-256color |
| 00:19.05 | tuxd3v | I will set this variable in the .bashrc :) |
| 00:21.16 | gnarface | tuxd3v: maybe the missing variable is just that you needed to log all the way out and back in once? |
| 00:21.32 | gnarface | tuxd3v: or maybe if you're using a graphical login daemon it had to be restarted |
| 00:22.21 | tuxd3v | gnarface, yeah, I will set in on login, and see again :) |
| 00:25.38 | tuxd3v | gnarface, yeti, yes that did the trick :) |
| 00:25.56 | tuxd3v | I also have now PS1 colored and such :) |
| 00:26.27 | tuxd3v | tough I don't now if the resources consumed are a lot bigger or not |
| 00:26.41 | tuxd3v | but the diference should be small |
| 00:27.31 | yeti | :-) |
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| 00:29.15 | tuxd3v | this is indeed another thing :) |
| 00:29.25 | tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/jCCYn25S |
| 00:41.24 | yeti | eeeeek! |
| 00:41.43 | yeti | that's enough colour for a month |
| 00:41.53 | tuxd3v | hahaha ehe |
| 00:41.56 | tuxd3v | indeed |
| 00:42.15 | tuxd3v | I don't know why, but the colors are not the same in all terminals |
| 00:42.25 | tuxd3v | in xterm they are very bright |
| 00:42.40 | yeti | forget the toyterms |
| 00:42.44 | yeti | like gnome.term |
| 00:42.54 | yeti | xterm is standard. |
| 00:43.22 | tuxd3v | the Idea was to devuanize lnewt, and I am testing it, but currently with a theme more close to the ascii one.. |
| 00:43.46 | yeti | try that in gnometerm https://hive-project.de/board/download/file.php?id=4212 |
| 00:43.48 | yeti | :-Ã |
| 00:43.51 | tuxd3v | beowulf cinnabar would be great, if I could manage to get that color |
| 00:44.55 | tuxd3v | woow, that is awesome!! |
| 00:45.09 | yeti | xterm has 2 or 3 souls |
| 00:45.41 | yeti | terminal + rastergraphics + (emulated) vectorgraphics |
| 00:45.49 | tuxd3v | how does it launches another terminal? |
| 00:45.57 | tuxd3v | its the tektronik? |
| 00:46.06 | yeti | yip |
| 00:46.22 | tuxd3v | that is insanely beutigull |
| 00:46.33 | tuxd3v | beutigull -> beautifull |
| 00:46.43 | tuxd3v | simplicity in its pure glory |
| 00:46.45 | yeti | for the simple plot in near to no time |
| 00:46.58 | yeti | no unneeded knobs and sliders |
| 00:47.05 | yeti | less distractions |
| 00:47.31 | yeti | xterm -t directly falls in that mode |
| 00:47.54 | yeti | but maybe the 2nd window can be opended via some command sequence from a normal xterm |
| 00:49.17 | yeti | https://github.com/saitoha/libsixel |
| 00:49.22 | yeti | the other soul |
| 00:49.45 | yeti | but thats incompatible with screen and mosh :-( |
| 00:50.03 | yeti | ok... tec probably too |
| 00:50.09 | yeti | teK |
| 00:50.16 | onefang | How about tmux? |
| 00:50.25 | yeti | no idea |
| 00:50.41 | yeti | there is a patched screen |
| 00:50.49 | yeti | but old |
| 00:51.29 | yeti | Screen version 4.02.01 (GNU) 28-Apr-14 |
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| 00:51.38 | yeti | with sixel patches. |
| 00:52.34 | yeti | tell the tmixers to support sixels AND tmux /dev/someserial |
| 00:52.41 | yeti | then I'd switch |
| 00:53.25 | yeti | I use screen as terminal for microcontrollers and pi-consoles and such... |
| 00:53.40 | yeti | tmux considers this feature as bloat |
| 00:54.06 | yeti | but a terminalmultiplexer not capable of using a real serial too is one legged... |
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| 00:56.25 | tuxd3v | it even does video, amazing, what some people can do with it.. Inever explored to much of it |
| 00:56.39 | tuxd3v | the 256 colors is the maximum were I got |
| 00:57.24 | tuxd3v | and ofcourse the scrollbar, and the pointer in red color, and also blinking, but was only that never tryied tektronik 's emulation |
| 00:57.44 | tuxd3v | the plot you make was awesome |
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| 01:00.31 | yeti | prefers boring |
| 01:02.12 | yeti | https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/emacs.html#exwm <<< I hope EXWM someday gets useable |
| 01:06.43 | yeti | exwm needs some more features added to emacs before it really can take off and my other wanted WM (sawfish) coughs on de??an which I could fix for i386 and amd64 but on armhf the windows have no borders and arent moveable... :-( and I want the same stuff on all nixens |
| 01:06.45 | yeti | :-( |
| 01:06.57 | yeti | theoretically... |
| 01:07.24 | yeti | al new installs ar GUIless or have XFCE but some old configs with Gnome still are around... |
| 01:07.37 | onefang | Emacs has it's own window manager now? It really is an operating system. lol |
| 01:07.39 | yeti | but I'd prefer sawfish or exwm |
| 01:07.54 | yeti | and dont forget systemE |
| 01:07.56 | yeti | !!! |
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| 01:08.23 | yeti | shaddap! |
| 01:08.35 | yeti | I hate bots |
| 01:08.37 | yeti | https://github.com/a-schaefers/systemE |
| 01:08.39 | onefang | OH NOES!! YOU'VE WOKE THE BOT!!! |
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| 12:43.54 | moosl | hei |
| 12:43.59 | moosl | anybody around? |
| 12:44.04 | moosl | I am preocupied |
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| 12:50.55 | tuxd3v | moosl, what do you mean? |
| 12:51.36 | moosl | tuxd3v: what do you thing about the rumors of devuan switching to systemD? |
| 12:52.14 | tuxd3v | moosl, what rumors? |
| 12:52.29 | fsmithred | lol |
| 12:54.30 | moosl | to be announced in the next Devuan keynote conference. |
| 12:54.44 | fsmithred | when and where is that taking place? |
| 12:56.03 | fsmithred | moosl, devuan with systemd already exists |
| 12:56.08 | fsmithred | it's called debian |
| 12:56.15 | moosl | fsmithred: just kidding |
| 12:56.45 | moosl | i tried the 32bit install, quite impressed. |
| 12:57.05 | moosl | but there are some lack of libC offers. |
| 12:57.12 | fsmithred | ? |
| 12:57.19 | moosl | is it possible to switch glibc to musl? |
| 12:57.29 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 12:58.01 | moosl | how to propose Devuan leaders to include musl 32bit? |
| 12:58.09 | fsmithred | it's possible to install musl - I see it in the repo |
| 12:58.11 | moosl | I had to switch to a musl distro due glibc bloat. |
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| 13:00.40 | moosl | mm.. I thought dyne irc had a devuan channel as well. |
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| 13:03.52 | moosl | should I proposed it in the forums? |
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| 13:04.09 | moosl | musl already can run full blown qt5 plasma desktop |
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| 13:05.04 | moosl | there no reason for devuan not to have a musl based iso |
| 13:06.52 | fsmithred | there is nothing stopping someone from making one and offering it to the community |
| 13:07.17 | moosl | one? |
| 13:07.37 | moosl | devuan got plenty of resources to produces such an iso on their spare time |
| 13:07.42 | fsmithred | lol |
| 13:07.53 | moosl | it's already built by other distros |
| 13:08.07 | fsmithred | it was a major effort to get the current set of isos out |
| 13:08.23 | fsmithred | I was doing around 40 installs per week for the last few months |
| 13:08.31 | moosl | so it sloud be a matter of simply copy/pasting the patches and hooking up apt-get |
| 13:08.49 | moosl | s/sloud/should |
| 13:09.27 | fsmithred | it's a matter of someone willing to devote the time and effort to do it and maintain it after it's done |
| 13:09.38 | moosl | diff alpine-linux devuan |
| 13:09.40 | moosl | something like that |
| 13:12.35 | golinux | moosl: Please return to planet earth. |
| 13:13.06 | moosl | eventually all distros will have to offer musl based isos |
| 13:13.15 | fsmithred | why? |
| 13:13.24 | moosl | fsmithred: many reasons |
| 13:15.23 | golinux | Maybe move this to #devuan-offtopic |
| 13:16.46 | moosl | golinux: that's ok, I just wanted to raise the issue after trying 32bit out |
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| 13:18.16 | moosl | golinux: i'll go into the forums. |
| 13:21.00 | golinux | moosl: One suggestion . . . if you want a musl based iso, please put it together and offer it to devuan. Do not expect devuan devs to do it for you. |
| 13:21.53 | golinux | See you over there . . . |
| 13:22.17 | moosl | golinux: first off, I don't have the diff/patching skillz to do so. |
| 13:22.37 | moosl | second, it isn't a crazy idea. |
| 13:23.39 | moosl | golinux: how come debian had a mach iso? |
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| 13:54.20 | scott_ | Hi. This is my first time here. I'm on Linux Mint 17.2 (still pre-SystemD) and have used Mint for 8+ years. |
| 13:54.37 | scott_ | But now I'm looking for a new distro. |
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| 13:58.48 | scott_ | Well I guess the search continues. Thanks for nothing. |
| 14:04.05 | tuxd3v | scott, what are your doubts? |
| 14:04.15 | tuxd3v | already quitted.. |
| 14:04.37 | tuxd3v | without a question is dificult to formule a answer :/ |
| 14:06.38 | Atari-Frosch | Bad service. :-þ |
| 14:10.34 | tuxd3v | Atari-Frosch, I really was not close to the computer neither |
| 14:10.53 | tuxd3v | anyway you expect always some one make his own questions :( |
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| 14:16.53 | Atari-Frosch | tuxd3v: Of course. Just an experience I made on IRC since I use it: People say something or even ask questions, wait a few minutes at maximum, and if nobody answers, they leave. As if the folks in a channel are staring at it all the time just waiting for people like this ;-) |
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| 14:37.51 | onefang | Some people have such short .. oh look, a squirrel! |
| 14:38.27 | Atari-Frosch | :-D |
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| 14:50.21 | brocashelm | i saw scott_'s post in a mint thread. i'll try to get him to come back :D |
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| 14:57.41 | Joril | Nice :O |
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| 17:49.05 | yeti | musl is the new rust? |
| 17:49.57 | yeti | rewrite it in rust! is demanded often... e.g. someone triggered a long thread in Haiku(OS)'s forum bout this... |
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| 17:50.27 | GNULinuxPay | I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single user, $49 for each computer if purchasing for 25 or more machines. Bitcoin payment only! |
| 17:50.43 | yeti | du mich auch! |
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| 17:53.51 | tuxd3v | GNULinuxPay, I can also sell you some |
| 17:54.54 | GNULinuxPay | tuxd3v: for what price? |
| 17:55.44 | yeti | -> #debianfork |
| 17:56.07 | tuxd3v | its certainly bellow yeors :) |
| 17:56.21 | tuxd3v | yeors -> yours |
| 17:57.18 | tuxd3v | afaik selling gpl licenses its not possible, products yes |
| 17:57.28 | tuxd3v | what do you guys thins of its: |
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| 17:57.58 | tuxd3v | with xterm in 256 color mode: |
| 17:58.00 | tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/bG5M7RqK/2ed18d00 |
| 17:58.08 | tuxd3v | and this with tilda: |
| 17:58.32 | tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/bZh2TXb5/65c4915f |
| 17:58.48 | tuxd3v | is starts to take some shape tell me what do you think |
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| 18:00.37 | tuxd3v | this is the first real adventure with lnewt: https://github.com/tuxd3v/lnewt |
| 18:01.32 | tuxd3v | still have a problem, I have hotkeys assigned to the listbox, but how to I manage the buttons :/ |
| 18:01.39 | tuxd3v | anyone can help? |
| 18:06.55 | brocashelm | i think he is back as "GNULinuxGenuine" in #debian-fork |
| 18:08.44 | tuxd3v | brocashelm, you mean #debianfork :) |
| 18:09.29 | brocashelm | tuxd3v: yup :) |
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| 20:29.32 | brocashelm | how do i restart networkmanager service using runit? |
| 20:33.56 | rtndog | are you specifically wanting to do it with runit? |
| 20:34.14 | rtndog | or are you just tring to restart it? |
| 20:35.47 | brocashelm | i am using runit-init instead of sysvinit, and i needed to make some dns/resolv changes |
| 20:36.23 | brocashelm | i tried looking around for the service directory, but kept getting "unable to open supervise/ok: files does not exist" |
| 20:42.21 | golinux | brocashelm: I Don't begin to understand the finer points of init but I think runit relies on sysvinit scripts. |
| 20:42.51 | golinux | Do you have them installed? |
| 20:44.46 | brocashelm | golinux: i installed runit-init and only have sysvinit-utils of sysvinit packages installed alongside |
| 20:46.33 | brocashelm | i just installed sysvinit and init again. i thought those would replace runit-init at first, but i guess not? |
| 20:48.09 | golinux | Have you seen this thread? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3628 |
| 20:48.45 | brocashelm | yes, i have seen it previously and followed those steps |
| 20:49.01 | brocashelm | runit has been my init for a few days already |
| 20:50.13 | brocashelm | the interesting thing is i just installed init and sysvinit back again, but apt did not complain |
| 20:55.02 | golinux | Sorry I can't be much help . . . |
| 20:55.46 | fsmithred | so which one is being used? |
| 20:56.10 | brocashelm | golinux: no worries :) |
| 20:56.20 | brocashelm | fsmithred: runit |
| 20:56.33 | fsmithred | you rebooted after reinstalling sysvinit? |
| 20:56.39 | brocashelm | let me check |
| 20:58.07 | brocashelm | yes, runit is still my init |
| 20:58.34 | fsmithred | aptitude -s install sysvinit-core says it will remove runit-init |
| 20:59.31 | brocashelm | sysvinit-core is not installed |
| 20:59.41 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:59.47 | brocashelm | sysvinit, sysvinit-utils, and init are installed |
| 20:59.47 | fsmithred | I thought you said you reinstalled it |
| 21:00.13 | fsmithred | I think sysvinit is just a metapackage |
| 21:00.15 | brocashelm | sorry, i meant the literal packages |
| 21:01.06 | brocashelm | but, i was wondering how i could utilize runit for restarting networkmanager as an example |
| 21:01.23 | fsmithred | I know nothing about runit |
| 21:01.44 | fsmithred | I just followed directions to install it and then kicked it around until I could make a live iso from it. |
| 21:01.58 | brocashelm | ah |
| 21:02.00 | fsmithred | kicked my stuff around |
| 21:02.01 | fsmithred | not runit |
| 21:03.07 | fsmithred | refractasnaphsot depends on live-config-sysvinit(or other init system) |
| 21:03.19 | brocashelm | yeah, it removed those packages when i installed runit-init |
| 21:03.20 | fsmithred | but there's no live-config-runit package |
| 21:03.41 | fsmithred | so I opened up some packages and copied files into place |
| 21:04.40 | brocashelm | i see |
| 21:04.46 | brocashelm | another question i have is that since i do not want a graphical login manager (just tty -> startx), i keep seeing some ethernet crap interfering when i put in my username/password. would there be a way to get rid of this? |
| 21:05.29 | fsmithred | I was under the impression that if "-- quiet" is in the boot command, they won't show up. |
| 21:05.46 | fsmithred | other way is to edit something in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:06.13 | brocashelm | in /etc/default/grub? |
| 21:06.20 | fsmithred | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 21:06.20 | fsmithred | #kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3 |
| 21:06.32 | fsmithred | yeah, for quiet, in /etc/default/grub |
| 21:07.22 | brocashelm | so, like this? GRUB_CMD_LINE_LINUX="-- quiet" |
| 21:07.29 | fsmithred | I think so |
| 21:07.35 | fsmithred | make it the last option |
| 21:07.59 | fsmithred | you have to run update-grub afterward |
| 21:08.23 | brocashelm | alright. just making sure where to place that. i also have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 21:08.27 | fsmithred | please let me know if it works |
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| 21:08.47 | fsmithred | oh yeah, DEFAULT will just put it in the first boot entry |
| 21:08.55 | fsmithred | the other will put it in all of them |
| 21:10.21 | brocashelm | testing now |
| 21:10.55 | brocashelm | nope, it's still happening |
| 21:11.10 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:11.21 | fsmithred | sorry for that |
| 21:11.27 | brocashelm | i see stuff like this in the tty: eth0: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, etc. etc. and some UFW BLOCK info |
| 21:11.33 | brocashelm | when i get my login prompt |
| 21:11.44 | fsmithred | yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about |
| 21:11.51 | fsmithred | close your eyes to log in |
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| 21:12.00 | brocashelm | :P |
| 21:12.17 | fsmithred | sysctl.conf |
| 21:13.34 | brocashelm | reverted grub changes and uncommented that line |
| 21:13.37 | brocashelm | rebooting again |
| 21:14.26 | brocashelm | great, it's finally gone |
| 21:14.29 | brocashelm | thank you |
| 21:14.34 | fsmithred | yw |
| 21:15.00 | fsmithred | if you like magic sysrq keys, you can edit that file to enable all of them |
| 21:15.06 | fsmithred | kernel.sysrq=1 |
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| 21:17.11 | brocashelm | kernel.sysrq=1 was already uncommented before i edited the file. i see kernel.sysrq=438 remains commented |
| 21:17.24 | brocashelm | i am not too familiar with that approach |
| 21:17.37 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I know who edited your file. |
| 21:17.39 | fsmithred | lol |
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| 21:17.50 | brocashelm | ha |
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| 21:51.58 | fsmithred | what's the equivalent of 'init 1' command for runit? |
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| 22:46.46 | nemo | sooo I'd like to have a newer wine |
| 22:47.01 | nemo | I'm thinking I should just add it from https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 22:47.06 | nemo | seems probably fairly safe |
| 22:47.21 | nemo | is Debian 9 or Debian 10 closest to beowulf these days? |
| 22:47.48 | nemo | and... is this a bad idea? |
| 22:48.56 | nemo | ah. buster |
| 22:49.06 | nemo | 10.4 to be exact |
| 22:49.13 | nemo | welp. we'll see what happens |
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