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| 05:11.40 | Wafficus | Version of cmus: cmus v2.7.0 |
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| 09:31.51 | Joril | Bjornn: I'd say lspci -k |
| 09:32.49 | Joril | Or better, lspci -k | grep -A2 Audio |
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| 11:05.42 | fsmithred | that first one is a guess. I don't know if you can rebuild one plugin. |
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| 15:34.43 | fsmithred | absinthe, check debian bug reports. I don't think we fork that. |
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| 18:57.37 | bsd4me | I am trying to upgrade to chimaera from Linux refracta 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux. Anything I need to do besides updating my sources.list to chimaera? TIA |
| 19:01.20 | ShorTie | Thinkz, cross your fingers ?? |
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| 19:03.23 | bsd4me | lol, well, will see how it goes. |
| 19:06.18 | bsd4me | hope this isn't too many lines: |
| 19:06.25 | bsd4me | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:06.25 | bsd4me | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.26 | bsd4me | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 19:27.21 | fsmithred | bsd4me, here are my upgrade notes: https://termbin.com/uzo6 |
| 19:28.24 | bsd4me | fsmithred: thank you! Will follow them and report back :) |
| 19:28.43 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 19:32.14 | bsd4me | fsmithred: changed sources.list, then ran update and upgrade. First thing is to upgrade 593 packages, so doing that now |
| 19:41.19 | fsmithred | bsd4me, I don't know if that's the best procedure. That's just how I got through it the one time I did it. |
| 19:43.29 | bsd4me | ok, well, will see how it goes :) At least we'll know if the procedure is good general instructions. |
| 19:44.14 | fsmithred | still downloading stuff |
| 19:46.14 | bsd4me | installing them now |
| 19:46.44 | bsd4me | 13% :D |
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| 20:33.02 | bsd4me | fsmithred: full-upgrade gave me same error, so following your procedure. |
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| 20:34.12 | bsd4me | back to second apt full-upgrade |
| 20:38.08 | LinuxAgent | Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume). |
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| 20:41.27 | brocashelm | fuck off |
| 20:41.29 | bsd4me | thanks for the laugh |
| 20:42.06 | brocashelm | it's not even funny anymore; these shills just keep coming back |
| 20:43.10 | bsd4me | oh :( |
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| 20:46.17 | Akuli | maybe do that on debianfork too, if you haven't already done that |
| 20:46.42 | fsmithred | I don't have ops there |
| 20:46.51 | brocashelm | there should be a way to automatically kick anyone saying they are a GLAT agent with an irc bot script |
| 20:46.54 | Akuli | someone else did it :) |
| 20:47.16 | fsmithred | they usually do get kicked automatically |
| 20:47.18 | Akuli | fyi: it's a bad idea to copy/paste a spam message on irc |
| 20:47.26 | fsmithred | I was surprised that this one stayed |
| 20:47.28 | Akuli | a friend did it and got auto-banned from freenode |
| 20:47.32 | brocashelm | nice |
| 20:48.16 | fsmithred | posting too many lines at once can do it, too |
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| 20:49.36 | brocashelm | i don't get the point of coming into irc channels for free/open-source operating systems and "offering" to sell expensive licenses for the same kernel that everyone is already using |
| 20:49.59 | brocashelm | these people need to face reality |
| 20:52.13 | Akuli | i wonder if this is a bot, a botnet or actual people |
| 20:54.46 | brocashelm | one instance of this nick actually did respond directly to someone shitting on it |
| 20:55.34 | brocashelm | so it could very well be shills paid to pester online communities |
| 20:55.59 | brocashelm | (let's discuss this in #debianfork) |
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| 21:07.25 | bsd4me | apt full-upgrade went well. Now going through apt autoremove |
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| 21:13.27 | bsd4me | fsmithred: I have to change apt install libgcc-8-dev=8.4.0-4 to libgcc1 : Depends: gcc-8-base (= 8.3.0-6) |
| 21:14.38 | fsmithred | did something change? |
| 21:15.29 | bsd4me | just followed your procedure |
| 21:15.57 | bsd4me | copy/pasted most lines :) |
| 21:16.46 | fsmithred | I vaguely remember something about libgcc1 |
| 21:16.53 | fsmithred | isn't that an older package? |
| 21:18.13 | bsd4me | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.35 | bsd4me | all I know |
| 21:18.44 | fsmithred | why do you have libgcc1? |
| 21:18.56 | bsd4me | no idea. sorry :( |
| 21:18.57 | fsmithred | I don't have it here |
| 21:19.06 | fsmithred | I think I removed it |
| 21:19.11 | bsd4me | hmmm, wonder if something I installed required it. |
| 21:19.37 | bsd4me | let me see what response when I try remove it |
| 21:20.03 | fsmithred | libgcc1 is a ceres package. Not in chimaera. |
| 21:20.26 | fsmithred | I'll see if that's true after an update |
| 21:20.38 | bsd4me | ok, seems safe to remove it. Nothing else to be removed with it. |
| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | still ceres only |
| 21:21.05 | bsd4me | I haven't installed anything from ceres that I'm aware of :( |
| 21:21.25 | fsmithred | ok, it's also in ascii and beowulf |
| 21:21.41 | bsd4me | ok, just removed it. |
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| 21:22.46 | bsd4me | Now I can apt install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:25.51 | fsmithred | cool. I checked my command history, and I did not remove libgcc1 manually. It must have gone out with something else. |
| 21:27.26 | fsmithred | I added a note to remove libgcc1 before installing build-essential. Thanks. |
| 21:28.04 | bsd4me | yw :) |
| 21:28.11 | bsd4me | ok, installing sshfs |
| 21:31.16 | bsd4me | ok, going to reboot and see how it goes :) |
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| 21:35.56 | bsd4me | RETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres)" |
| 21:35.58 | bsd4me | NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux" |
| 21:36.01 | bsd4me | :) |
| 21:37.20 | fsmithred | check to see if ssh works - see if you can log in from another machine |
| 21:39.11 | bsd4me | no other machine here right now :( |
| 21:40.50 | bsd4me | will make a note to try when have another machine available. Just using my ideapad right now |
| 21:42.40 | fsmithred | nm, it works |
| 21:43.08 | fsmithred | I had trouble getting into a beowulf VM today |
| 21:43.35 | bsd4me | ok |
| 21:59.23 | fsmithred | bsd4me, did you look at diffs of config files as they got upgraded? |
| 22:00.03 | fsmithred | there are some edits you might want to restore if you took the maintainers' new versions. |
| 22:00.10 | bsd4me | No. There was only one to upgrade, but right this moment can't remember which one it was :( |
| 22:00.24 | fsmithred | etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 22:00.31 | fsmithred | kernel.sysrq=1 |
| 22:01.05 | bsd4me | it's commented out |
| 22:01.28 | bsd4me | #kernel.sysrq=438 |
| 22:02.13 | fsmithred | yeah, add the line I posted if you want to enable all magic sysrq keys |
| 22:03.04 | bsd4me | ok, |
| 22:03.47 | bsd4me | done |
| 22:05.00 | bsd4me | ran sysctl again and it read the change |
| 22:05.10 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:05.20 | fsmithred | I just learned something. :) |
| 22:05.59 | fsmithred | lxdm.conf? |
| 22:07.01 | bsd4me | not installed |
| 22:07.24 | bsd4me | tbh, seems like it was something about pam?????? |
| 22:07.25 | fsmithred | you replaced it with something else? |
| 22:07.31 | fsmithred | yes |
| 22:07.50 | fsmithred | there's some pam file that shows up as changed, but I don't recall changing it |
| 22:08.03 | fsmithred | I can find it. |
| 22:08.38 | bsd4me | sigh, all I remember right now, is that it was something that seemed ok to upgrade. Reconized it whatever it was |
| 22:09.34 | fsmithred | I took the new versions in all cases because they were different from the old versions. |
| 22:11.22 | bsd4me | ok. Here's the iso I used ... refracta-test-oblx_5.6bpo_openrc-20200630_1456.iso |
| 22:11.31 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:11.51 | fsmithred | the directions were based on upgrade of refracta-beowulf-xfce |
| 22:11.53 | bsd4me | Also tried the chimaera iso, but it wouldn't boot into X |
| 22:12.00 | bsd4me | oh :) |
| 22:13.27 | fsmithred | etc/pam.d/login |
| 22:14.06 | bsd4me | think that's it! |
| 22:16.38 | fsmithred | the chimaera iso has no display manager |
| 22:16.48 | fsmithred | it should still go to desktop in a live boot |
| 22:17.00 | fsmithred | but once installed, you'd need to run startx |
| 22:17.24 | bsd4me | It got into a loop and I couldn't break out of it. Had to reboot |
| 22:17.35 | fsmithred | oh, weird |
| 22:17.47 | fsmithred | anyway, the iso you got is a little more complete |
| 22:18.59 | bsd4me | I'm enjoying it right now :) The graphics is R4 :( that was the problem with chimaera booting |
| 22:19.15 | fsmithred | what's that? |
| 22:19.22 | bsd4me | so I booted the refracta-test, and it booted fine |
| 22:19.49 | bsd4me | AMD Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics] vendor: Lenovo |
| 22:20.50 | fsmithred | probably firmware-amd-graphics made the difference |
| 22:21.02 | fsmithred | pretty sure I installed it in that one |
| 22:22.05 | bsd4me | yes, it's installed |
| 22:23.35 | fsmithred | did you right-click on the desktop yet? |
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| 22:25.16 | fsmithred | note that Reboot and Shutdown do NOT mean "Ask me if I want to reboot/shutdown" |
| 22:25.21 | bsd4me | lol, trying, but have elan touchpad and have to adjust libinput |
| 22:26.08 | bsd4me | but yes, have right-clicked and I see the menu |
| 22:27.06 | fsmithred | I am sometimes tempted to switch to openbox on my main machine just for those two menu items. |
| 22:27.17 | fsmithred | but fact is, I don't do much rebooting on this box. |
| 22:29.13 | bsd4me | I'll have to play with this for a while. Don't normally have free virtual desktop to check that menu. |
| 22:29.51 | bsd4me | most times, just use terminal to shutdown, or use xfce menu if installed |
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| 23:05.53 | absinthe | Hello. Is it "safe" to use "stable/testing/unstable" in the sources.list instead of codenames ? (beowulf/ascii/...) |
| 23:06.51 | bsd4me | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.05 | absinthe | could you please explainn why ? |
| 23:07.40 | bsd4me | its mentioned on website, but I honestly forget which subheading :( |
| 23:08.03 | absinthe | ah, i'll check on the site then |
| 23:08.09 | absinthe | thanks |
| 23:08.31 | bsd4me | xinput get-button-map device |
| 23:08.33 | bsd4me | oops |
| 23:08.44 | bsd4me | https://devuan.org/os/install |
| 23:11.21 | absinthe | mh ok, it's about having more control, and avoid possible incompatible repos |
| 23:12.53 | absinthe | makes sens, i guess one repo might update it's "suite" kinda late, and it might then cause issue |
| 23:17.39 | bsd4me | are you thinking about upgrading? |
| 23:18.17 | absinthe | i did alreay, im on chimaera |
| 23:18.51 | bsd4me | ah, ok :) I just upgraded to chimaera also |
| 23:19.16 | absinthe | hey, bro ;p |
| 23:19.56 | absinthe | using "testing" instead of codename made me feel like having some kind of rolling distro |
| 23:20.14 | absinthe | rolling release* |
| 23:20.34 | bsd4me | lol, yep |
| 23:20.42 | mason | 'testing' *is* a rolling release |
| 23:20.55 | bsd4me | used that on debian for a number of years |
| 23:21.04 | bsd4me | before systemd |
| 23:22.25 | absinthe | mason: but using the codename makes it less sound like a rolling release |
| 23:22.37 | absinthe | *sound less |
| 23:24.05 | absinthe | in my head, at least.. |
| 23:28.18 | bsd4me | just looked at installing gnucash. Requires 89 new packages. I don't see anything wrong, but just asking here to verify it's ok. |
| 23:29.51 | mason | Sounds right. It's big. |
| 23:30.37 | bsd4me | yeah. Ok, going to install |
| 23:30.38 | mason | bsd4me: So, I don't run what counts as a modern desktop environment, and it'd be 173 packages for me to install it, if that makes you feel any better. :) |
| 23:30.54 | bsd4me | lol, yep :) |
| 23:31.10 | fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye and both are Testing right now |
| 23:31.38 | bsd4me | dunno how many I'd need if I was still running fluxbox or icewm |
| 23:31.39 | fsmithred | bullseye will become Stable before chimaera does, so they won't both be Testing then. |
| 23:31.57 | fsmithred | I think recommends are excluded in that one |
| 23:32.16 | bsd4me | a few like gnucash-docs |
| 23:32.18 | fsmithred | if not, add --no-install-recommends |
| 23:33.23 | fsmithred | 54 here |
| 23:33.36 | bsd4me | installing now |
| 23:33.51 | fsmithred | but only 133 MB for all those packages! |
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| 23:35.16 | bsd4me | 130 here |
| 23:56.14 | golinux | absinthe: There is no way to do a "testing" release safely in Devuan because we are always behind Debian. Ceres would be the closest to a true testing. |