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| 00:23.20 | kreyren | just came to complain with his script https://i.imgur.com/LkfYUH1.png blaming devuan for making lsb_release -cs to return 'n/a' and not providing a docker image |
| 00:23.38 | kreyren | :C |
| 00:24.44 | buZz | :) |
| 00:24.57 | buZz | buzz@bz-x230:~$ lsb_release -cs |
| 00:24.57 | buZz | beowulf |
| 00:25.09 | kreyren | this is on chimaera |
| 00:25.32 | buZz | i'm sure that'll be fixed once its somewhat targetting users ;) |
| 00:25.53 | kreyren | kreyren@dreamon:~$ cat /etc/os-release | grep ^ID\= |
| 00:25.56 | kreyren | ID=devuan |
| 00:25.57 | kreyren | kreyren@dreamon:~$ lsb_release -cs |
| 00:25.59 | kreyren | n/a |
| 00:26.27 | kreyren | buZz, ik but that ain't preventing me from complaining! :p |
| 00:27.07 | buZz | hehe |
| 00:27.11 | buZz | well you could improve it ;) |
| 00:27.21 | kreyren | and like i can make the dockerimage it's just running that debian thing that generates the userland and adding it as `ADD path/to/archive` >.> |
| 00:27.54 | kreyren | but that won't make it to work as `FROM devuan/chimaera` unless devuan publishes it~ |
| 00:31.27 | kreyren | Or like can i join devuan team to be able to fix these things |
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| 00:32.01 | buZz | you totally can |
| 00:32.08 | kreyren | how |
| 00:32.11 | buZz | there's #devuan-dev |
| 00:32.14 | buZz | join there and ask |
| 00:32.33 | kreyren | k will do tomorrow bcs i can barelly see now from exhaustion~ |
| 00:32.40 | buZz | np :) welcome |
| 00:32.52 | kreyren | goes to sleep |
| 00:33.26 | buZz | nn |
| 00:35.14 | conifer | hi! what is the recommended way of setting up /opt partition? i always had it sitting unused on a tiny root, but it turned out electron apps tend to get installed there |
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| 00:36.33 | buZz | i dont know, i dont use a /opt or electron apps |
| 00:36.35 | conifer | and each is basically an extended chromium, so they take 200-300MB each and i ended up mounting /opt on /usr |
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| 00:40.23 | conifer | but it feels like a makeshift solution and i don't know what is the proper way to handle it when partitioning the drive |
| 00:40.58 | golinux | You can't just install in /home? |
| 00:41.26 | golinux | I have browers there that are quite happy |
| 00:43.10 | conifer | can i pass some parameter to make them install where i want them instead of their default location? |
| 00:53.22 | conifer | ok, i read the dpkg man so i learned how to do it with standalone .deb file, but what if i add a repository to sources.list and install with apt? |
| 00:54.44 | conifer | btw, is installing in /home better than in /usr? |
| 00:56.41 | djph | FSVO "better" |
| 00:58.22 | buZz | imho electron is the makeshift solution |
| 00:58.34 | buZz | 'one day i'll learn to code but today i'll just wrap this website up with a whole browser!' |
| 00:58.42 | buZz | 'LOOK MA, I'M MAKIN APPS!' |
| 00:58.56 | conifer | yeah, i know |
| 01:00.25 | conifer | but i wanted to try out some new stuff, and when their only destkop clients are electron then i have no other choice |
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| 01:25.28 | conifer | anyway, what do people usually do with /opt on desktop systems? leave it on root and not use it? put it on separate partition? put in on /usr? |
| 01:27.56 | conifer | before i started using linux i read some articles about partitioning the drive and if they mentioned opt they claimed it probably won't be used at all, so i never cared about it and had no trouble with it |
| 01:30.47 | fsmithred | separate /home and everything else in the root partition is very common |
| 01:31.44 | fsmithred | separate /boot if you use encryption |
| 01:32.11 | fsmithred | sometime separate /var |
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| 01:42.34 | conifer | i usually do separate boot, home, usr, var, tmp, so i was really surprised when all i needed to clutter up root anyway was installing an app... |
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| 09:22.39 | roo^y | 48hrs after updating a new install of Beowulf with it's packages, I move mouse to wake screen from turning it off with xset dpms force off. System appears to have crashed, as screen is black & only showing a underscore '_' I'd quit firefox beforehand, to ease resources while at idle ..maybe I should find out which GPU driver it's using, & try the other one |
| 09:29.29 | roo^y | Keyboard couldn't even light up Caps lock & Num lock lights again, like it was unplugged ..unless it's a CPU crash |
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| 10:07.48 | gnarface | roo^y: that would be a good point to attempt to connect to it over the network by ssh, or at least ping it |
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| 10:25.46 | roo^y | yep, I happen to have a identical spare one, I should learn how to do that! |
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| 11:45.53 | gnarface | roo^y: it's actually really easy |
| 11:46.33 | gnarface | roo^y: "apt-get install openssh-server" ahead of time |
| 11:47.00 | roo^y | sweet :) will do |
| 11:47.02 | gnarface | roo^y: then from the other machine you can connect with "ssh user@hostname" (it will prompt you for the remote user's password by default, you can increase security later) |
| 11:47.20 | roo^y | i understand |
| 11:50.19 | gnarface | if the user name is the same, you don't have to specify the user@ part |
| 11:50.32 | gnarface | and obviously if you don't have hostnames you can use ip addresses instead |
| 11:50.45 | roo^y | install openssh-server on other machine too? ..or no need, just use terminal? |
| 11:51.06 | gnarface | the client server only needs openssh-client, which will not include openssh-server |
| 11:51.38 | gnarface | that was confusing, sorry, the client machine i mean |
| 11:51.42 | roo^y | got it |
| 11:52.07 | gnarface | any machine can have both of course safely, if you know what you're doing |
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| 12:08.18 | ham5urg | Is there any need to control the chain of blocksizes of HD->Partitions->RAID->LVM? |
| 12:09.14 | ham5urg | HD->Partitions->RAID->LVM->FS |
| 12:10.06 | gnarface | it might matter |
| 12:11.27 | ham5urg | How do I show/check all these different blocksizes? |
| 12:14.57 | ham5urg | As far as HDs and partitions I guess I can't configure anything as there are no blocks. |
| 12:16.35 | ham5urg | Only sectors of 512byte. |
| 12:19.53 | ham5urg | but fdisks "I/O size (minimum/optimal):" is sometimes 4096, sometimes 512 (HD, SSD). So I guess this should be the blocksize. |
| 12:19.54 | gnarface | check with hdparm -I? |
| 12:22.56 | ham5urg | lsblk -o NAME,PHY-SeC |
| 12:36.58 | gnarface | you're supposed to set the stripe sizes to some multiple of the physical block sizes and the filesystem block sizes but i don't know the exact math to get an optimal size |
| 12:37.03 | gnarface | i'm sure you could look it up somewhere... |
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| 12:39.00 | gnarface | also note that some drives have different logical and physical block sizes |
| 12:39.04 | gnarface | sometimes it matters |
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| 12:56.09 | gnarface | sometimes it might be raid controller specific |
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| 13:00.40 | ham5urg | trying to use mdraid. just ripped off some HP-raid-controller. |
| 13:01.37 | ham5urg | too unflexible and unreliable these controllers. I'll go with a devuan-raid-box |
| 13:01.49 | ham5urg | devuan-mdraid-box |
| 13:04.20 | ham5urg | hd->partition->mdraid->logical-volume are all 512 in my case. ext4 via tune2fs shows 4096. I assume that's fair as it is a multiple of 8. |
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| 13:29.16 | gnarface | yea maybe |
| 13:29.43 | gnarface | i was thinking more like 64k instead of 4k but maybe that would be for hardware raid |
| 13:29.58 | gnarface | i really don't know though |
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| 13:46.09 | ham5urg | you think a ext4 blocksize of 64k instead of 4k will boost the performance (even if some space is lost due to files <64k)? |
| 13:46.19 | ham5urg | worth a try |
| 13:48.03 | gnarface | ham5urg: no, not of the filesystem... of the raid stripes |
| 13:49.38 | gnarface | ham5urg: leave the filesystem block size to match the physical block size of the disk |
| 13:56.31 | ham5urg | so down to 512byte instead of 4k (in my case). Here's a screenshot of a VM where I test things. https://pasteboard.co/Jjici4f.png |
| 13:58.29 | gnarface | that won't do me any good and i'm not clicking on it anyway |
| 13:59.19 | gnarface | i know you can get the physical and logical size of the disk itself if you run hdparm -I on it |
| 13:59.30 | gnarface | but that would have to be in the host system |
| 13:59.35 | gnarface | in a VM all bets are off |
| 14:00.05 | ham5urg | I understand |
| 14:01.08 | ham5urg | hdparm -I /dev/nvme0n1 |
| 14:01.29 | ham5urg | HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 14:01.39 | gnarface | try it just on /dev/nvme0 |
| 14:01.39 | ham5urg | I have to look why is that |
| 14:01.49 | gnarface | also you have to run it as root |
| 14:02.09 | gnarface | everything used to be 512 bytes physical and logical |
| 14:02.21 | ham5urg | the same problem occurs |
| 14:02.25 | gnarface | lately 1k and 4k are becoming more common |
| 14:02.43 | ham5urg | makes sense |
| 14:02.45 | gnarface | nvme is something new so maybe hdparm doesn't work on it, i guess i was expecting a sata drive |
| 14:03.23 | ham5urg | lsblk -o NAME,PHY-SeC |
| 14:03.26 | ham5urg | looks good |
| 14:03.47 | gnarface | i've seen some drives lately with 4k physical sectors but 512b logical sectors |
| 14:04.24 | gnarface | which is super annoying because then you have to make a choice between optimal space usage and optimal speed |
| 14:06.42 | gnarface | ham5urg: after checking the man page for lsblk, i see that you actually want to look at: "lsblk -o NAME,PHY-SEC,LOG-SEC" |
| 14:07.48 | gnarface | if LOG-SEC is smaller then you can get a bit more space from using that for the filesystem size instead, but there will be some extra overhead |
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| 14:45.46 | ham5urg | I understand |
| 14:46.26 | ham5urg | nvme0n1 512 512 |
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| 14:50.44 | ham5urg | Why uses mkfs.ext4 4kb blocksize and not the blocksize of the device? E.g. 512b. Maybe not much space-loss but increase of speed. |
| 14:51.40 | gnarface | i didn't advise using 4k block sizes with that disk, i don't think that's right, not sure though... |
| 14:53.18 | gnarface | but i was just trying to warn you about stuff like this, look: https://paste.debian.net/1157768/ |
| 14:54.12 | gnarface | for the raid stripes though i believe it would be different, something higher, mabye between 8k and 64k |
| 14:54.39 | ham5urg | Uhh, I will avoid such disks if possible. |
| 14:55.24 | ham5urg | That's more complex stuff than i knew. Thanks for your infos |
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| 15:23.59 | ham5urg | Found this, now I understand: https://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2009/108/RAID-Performance |
| 15:25.56 | ham5urg | Why so many examples do use a chunk size of 64? |
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| 15:31.53 | gnarface | ham5urg: i think it's a common default for a lot of popular hardware-accelerated raid controllers |
| 15:32.42 | gnarface | ham5urg: mdraid will probably be less picky but i would expect also slower, so i'd guess you'd want smaller stripe sizes but i'm not sure exactly what |
| 15:33.31 | gnarface | ham5urg: i'm guessing there's still some tradeoff but it won't be as much of a stair-step graph |
| 15:34.21 | gnarface | ham5urg: and you might also want to consider what type of data you'll be storing |
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| 20:00.25 | Wafficus | Hi there, I'm running Virtualbox in a Windows 10 host, and Devuan as the guest |
| 20:00.41 | Wafficus | I tried enabling Dvice > Insert Guest Additions CD image |
| 20:00.53 | Wafficus | but how do I enable the actual resolution options? |
| 20:01.27 | Wafficus | I ask because I'm able to to select multiple resolution options under View > Virtual Screen 1 > "Resize to" etc choices |
| 20:01.32 | Wafficus | but when I do so, nothing happens |
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| 20:17.47 | gnarface | Wafficus: not sure, maybe try restarting the login manager or xorg whichever is running at that moment |
| 20:18.05 | gnarface | Wafficus: alternately, try setting it before the guest starts |
| 20:18.26 | golinux | I am about to dump VB for qemu |
| 20:18.52 | golinux | Not really relevant except that I've had it with VB "quirks" |
| 20:19.09 | gnarface | i hear a lot about them |
| 20:19.23 | gnarface | the only problem with qemu as i see it is that it's not as easy to learn |
| 20:19.39 | gnarface | it is very flexible though |
| 20:22.19 | Wafficus | got it, had to follow this guide |
| 20:22.22 | Wafficus | https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-virtualbox-guest-additions-on-debian-10/ |
| 20:22.48 | Wafficus | I had to mount the CD and then run the related .run file to install it |
| 20:23.07 | Wafficus | then I had to use the Settings > Display > Graphics Controller: 'VMSVGA' option |
| 20:23.13 | Wafficus | now I'm able to resize it no probelm |
| 20:23.20 | gnarface | ah, cool |
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