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| 12:31.27 | rknop | I'm having this weird problem where /run/user/1000 (my UID is 1000) is not being created when I log in, and/or it's getting deleted. The only effect I notice is that Pulse stops working, and I can't restart it until I recreate the directory. Where does this get created? I haven't figured it out yet; so far, Googling has told me that pam_systemd does this, but that doesn't sound right for Devuan.... |
| 12:37.55 | fsmithred | rknop, maybe libpam-elogind does it? |
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| 12:40.27 | rknop | OK... I've got that installed. It seems to work on one system, but not on another, that have the same contents in /etc/pam.d/elogind-user |
| 12:41.46 | rknop | Oh, weird. The system had elogind:i386 installed, but not for 64-bit |
| 12:42.21 | rknop | Gonna relog and see if that fixed it |
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| 12:44.37 | rknop | So far that seemed to be the problem. |
| 12:48.26 | rknop | Thanks! |
| 12:48.31 | rknop | elogind was the pointer I needed |
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| 13:46.58 | marulo | Good afternoon. I just installed Beowulf and I see that my .bashrc is not being read. Any ideas? |
| 13:52.13 | systemdlete | beowulf: Cannot install virtualbox (from vendor site) because it wants curl3, but it has been replaced by curl4 in beowulf. |
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| 14:04.03 | gordonDrogon | a minior niggle - maybe someone can address it in the future - booted 'netinst' via USB onto my old PC with a vew to running a secure erase on the SSD but no hdparm command. Not the end of the world - I guess I'll find a live install, or just boot it and delete the drive under ASCII, but might be handy to have in a basic system (unless I'm missing something newer for the purpose) |
| 14:05.39 | rknop | Wow, I don't think I've used hdparm in 20 years.... :D |
| 14:05.50 | fsmithred | gordonDrogon, I'm pretty sure that hdparm is not in the devuan live isos, but it is in refracta isos |
| 14:05.53 | rknop | I'm sure there's a systemd replacement for it now |
| 14:06.07 | fsmithred | or you could install it in the live session if you have enough ram |
| 14:06.24 | rknop | The download size is 116kb |
| 14:06.31 | rknop | Install 261kb |
| 14:06.42 | fsmithred | might need room for 'apt update' |
| 14:06.44 | gordonDrogon | sure - no biggie, but seems an odd omission, but I'm sure "reasons". |
| 14:07.08 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:07.15 | fsmithred | Priority is standard, so it should be installed |
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| 14:07.50 | fsmithred | checking... |
| 14:08.34 | fsmithred | nope |
| 14:12.48 | gordonDrogon | waits for the secure erase to finish... I fully expect it to crash and burn at that point, but hey ho :) |
| 14:13.17 | fsmithred | what is secure erase? |
| 14:13.39 | gordonDrogon | it's a way to erase an SSD |
| 14:13.48 | gordonDrogon | (although I think some spinning drives support it too). |
| 14:13.52 | fsmithred | that's part of hdparm? |
| 14:14.04 | gordonDrogon | it's a command hdparm can send to the drive, then the drive does it. |
| 14:14.34 | gordonDrogon | with ssd's it's supposed to reset all the wear levelling and stuff like that. |
| 14:15.55 | fsmithred | the man page is not helpful |
| 14:15.57 | gordonDrogon | and it's done. now lots and lots of ext4 errors on the console (which I expected, doing it on a live system). |
| 14:16.30 | gordonDrogon | for hdparm? no. You sort of need to know the drive capabilities - hdparm just sends the commands to it. |
| 14:16.55 | gordonDrogon | https://grok.lsu.edu/Article.aspx?articleid=16716 is what I'm currently following. |
| 14:23.30 | systemdlete | nvm. I downloaded the wrong vbox version anyway. |
| 14:23.31 | fsmithred | thanks. I'll have to remember that when it's time to recycle my ssd into a new system |
| 14:24.31 | systemdlete | (I always seem to forget the mapping of debian->devuan versions. I always end up at handy https://www.devuan.org/os/releases |
| 14:24.38 | systemdlete | ) |
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| 14:51.54 | james1138 | Hello and question. I am thinking of installing the "Math Kernel Library" (intel-mkl) - but like to know would that really be needed? I do not do much with LibreOffice or GIMP and almost no 3D CAD stuff - and if I did 3D stuff on Devuan... would the Intel-mkl help?? |
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| 15:10.23 | gordonDrogon | james1138, it depends if the stuff you use will actually use it. (and if you have an intel or amd processor by the looks of it) |
| 15:11.16 | gordonDrogon | I'd suggest not bothering for now and see if you think you need it later - you can trivially install it via apt-get ... |
| 15:11.54 | james1138 | Yes GordonDrogon. I am using Devuan on a Lenovo T500 Thinkpad with Intel processor. |
| 15:13.03 | ranix | day 3 of installing a devuan fileserver |
| 15:17.17 | ranix | md on the root filesystem is very nice |
| 15:18.20 | ranix | I can remove a boot disk from the array to do stuff like scanning it for bad blocks or backing it up without worrying about files mutating while I'm booted off it |
| 15:18.26 | gordonDrogon | I've used md on linux for a very long time now. not had any real issues with it. |
| 15:19.25 | gordonDrogon | you don't need to remove a disk to do that. you can run a weekly cron-job to do an array check where it will read every block of every md device and check that they match or that the parity is correct depending on the raid level. |
| 15:19.56 | ranix | I'm going to set up incremental backups with dump/restore to some removable disks |
| 15:20.15 | ranix | to keep more history in the event we get compromised and someone tries to encrypt the shared drive |
| 15:20.39 | ranix | the root fs won't have much data so I only need to make a manual backup once in awhile of the whole thing via some kind of maintenance procedure |
| 15:20.42 | gordonDrogon | ponders |
| 15:21.27 | gordonDrogon | there are many ways to do this - you could use snapshots with LVM volumes, or ditch md entiely, but I'm not sure of the status of zfs with Devuan. |
| 15:22.22 | gordonDrogon | currently I use rsync - there is a 'trick' you can use to copy just symlinks, then rsync into that copy which breaks the symlinks and replaces with whole files but only on files that have changed. |
| 15:23.08 | gordonDrogon | so I copy to remote systems or local which are kepy mostly read-only except when the copy happens. all bets are off if an attacher gets root though... |
| 15:23.25 | gordonDrogon | constant vigilance, etc. |
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| 17:17.22 | nemo | so... ascii is still "maintained" - is that basically equiv to debian "LTS" ? |
| 17:17.32 | nemo | therefore sometime in 2022? |
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| 17:29.28 | fsmithred | nemo, yes. |
| 17:29.33 | fsmithred | ascii=stretch |
| 17:30.11 | fsmithred | not equivalent to debian LTS. It IS debian LTS. |
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| 17:53.36 | openbsdtai123 | hello |
| 17:53.54 | openbsdtai123 | is there a notepad on linux with a spell checker? I recommended "kate". |
| 17:54.10 | openbsdtai123 | (english us or uk spell, inside this notepad). |
| 17:58.12 | ranix | :set spell |
| 17:59.23 | openbsdtai123 | what is that?? vim no no it is way too complicated. emacs as well. it should be very "simple" to use, like notepad. |
| 17:59.43 | ranix | have you tried windows |
| 18:01.53 | openbsdtai123 | ah ah, I wish all could be linux or unix. |
| 18:02.18 | fsmithred | abiword is pretty simple |
| 18:02.35 | openbsdtai123 | abiword is work ... word processing. |
| 18:02.41 | openbsdtai123 | Is there a notepad that does spell? |
| 18:02.41 | fsmithred | work? |
| 18:03.02 | fsmithred | you want something to screw up the line ends like notepad? |
| 18:03.19 | openbsdtai123 | kate is fine with a tex document. |
| 18:03.27 | FlibberTGibbet | allegedly the new notepad is caring and sharing enough to deal with unix line endings :) |
| 18:03.36 | openbsdtai123 | I have a tex document that needs a spell check and fix/suggestion. |
| 18:03.38 | fsmithred | yeah, if you already have qt stuff that makes sense |
| 18:03.44 | openbsdtai123 | ... but it is for newbie. |
| 18:04.11 | openbsdtai123 | newbie expects or needs a notepad easy to use one with spell check. |
| 18:04.15 | fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, up arrow gives you last command in windows now, too |
| 18:04.32 | ranix | windows has bash now |
| 18:04.48 | fsmithred | that too |
| 18:04.52 | openbsdtai123 | seriously... which one has spell check ? |
| 18:05.10 | fsmithred | i've never tried to spell-check in a text editor |
| 18:05.27 | FlibberTGibbet | atom appears to have built-in spellcheck. at least i haven't installed a plurg-in and it is highlighting badly spelled wurds |
| 18:06.05 | FlibberTGibbet | that is good, fsmithred. if only I still had a windows box...dumped the last install a few weeks ago :) |
| 18:06.05 | ranix | I'd just use libreoffice if I needed that |
| 18:06.22 | FlibberTGibbet | geany has a spelling plugin |
| 18:06.26 | openbsdtai123 | notepad... plz |
| 18:06.44 | fsmithred | wow, then run notepad already |
| 18:06.48 | ranix | n00tpad |
| 18:07.21 | nemo | fsmithred: well, I figured you guys might stop wanting to repackage stuff at some time ⺠|
| 18:07.24 | nemo | fsmithred: but good to know |
| 18:08.21 | FlibberTGibbet | whaddabout leafpad or gedit or something like that? |
| 18:08.24 | fsmithred | nemo, there's no guarantee that our own stuff will still get care for as long as the kernel does |
| 18:08.51 | nemo | fsmithred: ok... might want to get these servers off ascii at some point then |
| 18:09.17 | nemo | they were setup late last year and beowulf was still a WIP at that time |
| 18:09.41 | fsmithred | I expect servers would be less of a problem, anyway |
| 18:09.55 | ranix | depends on what they do |
| 18:09.59 | fsmithred | it's the desktop stuff that tends to be a pain |
| 18:10.01 | openbsdtai123 | leafpad has no spell checker ... :( |
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| 18:12.31 | fsmithred | google hits suggest geany, tea, gedit, pluma |
| 18:12.50 | ranix | >googling the answers to your questions |
| 18:13.01 | ranix | who do you think we are |
| 18:13.04 | ranix | plebians? |
| 18:14.13 | ranix | I refuse to learn anything my employer doesn't buy an expensive training course to teach me |
| 18:14.19 | fsmithred | and kate, but the one who said that said it was too fat |
| 18:14.39 | ranix | fat shaming |
| 18:14.58 | ranix | it's a big beautiful text editor |
| 18:15.13 | FlibberTGibbet | how about writing a simple app that applies opencv and machine learning to regular captures of the leafpad window, in order to check spelling against a regular dictionary and (optionally) grammar by comparing against a training corpus of texts in the language of your choice? |
| 18:15.47 | FlibberTGibbet | 5 minutes, tops. |
| 18:15.54 | fsmithred | needs coffee |
| 18:17.34 | brocashelm | geany just werks |
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| 18:28.11 | fsmithred | I use geany. Adding the spellcheck plugin now to try it |
| 18:32.50 | fsmithred | yup, it works. |
| 18:40.58 | fsmithred | pluma works better. You get a popup window and a list of possible replacements. |
| 18:51.32 | gordonDrogon | you can speel-chook in nano by pressing Ctrl-T . |
| 18:53.17 | fsmithred | Error invoking "spell" |
| 18:53.31 | fsmithred | what's missing? |
| 18:53.59 | furrywolf | spell. :P |
| 19:01.29 | gordonDrogon | aspell or ispell ... |
| 19:01.57 | ranix | mmm xfce4 minimalist theme is pretty nice |
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