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| 03:53.30 | fling | gnarface: wut? :> |
| 03:59.16 | xrogaan | I have theses in my syslog, anybody had an idea of why? rtkit-daemon: Argument 1 is specified to be of type "uint32", but is actually of type "int32"#012 |
| 04:03.04 | fling | xrogaan: looks like whatever is starting rtkit-daemon passing a negative value to it as the first argument but rtkit-daemon expects it to be a positive value? |
| 04:03.07 | xrogaan | is rtkit another systemd? |
| 04:04.10 | xrogaan | I don't even know what starts that daemon |
| 04:04.13 | xrogaan | not in init.d |
| 04:04.38 | fling | xrogaan: never used rtkit-daemon and have no idea what is it for |
| 04:04.45 | fling | xrogaan: systemd on devuan? |
| 04:05.09 | xrogaan | i pulseaudio Recommends rtkit |
| 04:05.11 | xrogaan | meh |
| 04:05.23 | fling | Should I try rtkit myself? |
| 04:05.32 | xrogaan | poettering has his hands on rtkit |
| 04:06.03 | xrogaan | apparently, I do not need it. |
| 04:06.26 | xrogaan | Probably installed itself at the time I didn't disable the recommended install by default |
| 04:13.14 | rennj | https://packages.debian.org/sid/rtkit ? |
| 04:13.58 | rennj | dbus would be handling that |
| 04:14.59 | fling | Is it possible to use remote pulse server without dbus? |
| 04:15.53 | rennj | esd e sound daemon did remote audio, m$ rdp does remote audio..should be possible.. |
| 04:16.40 | rennj | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_Sound_Daemon |
| 04:16.53 | rennj | ESD can also manage network-transparent audio. |
| 04:16.53 | fling | I'm talking about $PULSE_SERVER variable |
| 04:20.15 | gnarface | fling: didn't you ask how to set static routes? |
| 04:32.41 | fling | gnarface: oh this, right I did it by adding up ip r a lines to interfaces. |
| 04:47.16 | rennj | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_audio_software#Sound_servers |
| 04:47.43 | rennj | i know your trying to get pulse working... |
| 04:48.09 | rennj | JACK Audio Connection Kit (JACK), real-time sound server. be done with it.. |
| 04:48.25 | rennj | remote end can do jack, and then the clients be pulse |
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| 04:50.25 | rennj | http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/padevchooser/ |
| 04:50.27 | rennj | Quickly change the default PulseAudio sink/source/server assigned to the current X11 display, selecting devices available on the LAN |
| 04:50.49 | rennj | Copyright 2006 Lennart Poettering |
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| 05:19.49 | gnarface | fling: whatever works |
| 05:52.23 | fling | gnarface: what is the way with 'route' ? |
| 05:59.22 | gnarface | fling: that's why i told you to look at the man page :-p |
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| 06:03.40 | fling | gnarface: is there some initscript for route or something? |
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| 06:32.49 | gnarface | fling: are you using dhcp? check your dhcp client for script hooks |
| 06:32.57 | gnarface | fling: or wpasupplicant |
| 06:33.01 | gnarface | fling: (if using wireless) |
| 06:33.36 | fling | gnarface: ok, thanks. |
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| 06:33.51 | gnarface | fling: or you could add the lines to pre/post-up hooks in /etc/network/interfaces directly... there should be a few relatively easy ways to do it |
| 06:36.12 | fling | I added 'up' to /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 06:36.22 | fling | gnarface: but with iproute2 ^ |
| 06:36.30 | fling | thought there might be a better way |
| 06:36.44 | fling | should not I use openrc and netifrc? |
| 06:45.57 | gnarface | fling: use whatever you want. iproute2 is the new one that's all. i can't tell you anything about netifrc |
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| 06:55.16 | fling | gnarface: ok thanks! |
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| 10:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | poettering is a kit fan |
| 10:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | rtkitctl - Realtime Policy and Watchdog daemon control RealtimeKit was written by Lennart Poettering |
| 10:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | polypaudio needsa rtkit to gain realtime scheduling, I'd wager |
| 10:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess who's author of polypaudio err PA |
| 11:04.07 | buZz | enlightenment? |
| 11:04.24 | buZz | afaik poettering stopped devving on pulseaudio ages ago |
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| 12:54.10 | jonadab | Yes, I have hopes that pulseaudio will eventually be usable. |
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| 13:21.56 | brocashelm | alsa works just fine for me. i would understand the need for pulse for something like bluetooth? |
| 13:22.21 | brocashelm | think i might replace networkmanager with connman |
| 13:23.46 | xinomilo | not familiar with sound (total ignorance there), but how do you get alsa to go >100%, as vlc/pulseaudio mixer does? |
| 13:29.38 | fling | jonadab: what is so bad about pulseaudio? |
| 13:30.59 | fling | What I don't like is granting a client access to your server allows them to capture your inputs and outputs |
| 13:32.58 | jonadab | fling: You mean besides the fact that sometimes it randomly decides that your computer Will Never Play Audio Again, and even uninstalling pulseaudio doesn't fix it, you have to reinstall your entire OS? |
| 13:33.48 | fling | jonadab: wut? tell me more about this |
| 13:34.29 | jonadab | Granted, I haven't experienced this recently. Because after it happened, I vowed not to install pulseaudio again for a Good Long While(TM). |
| 13:34.40 | fling | the worst issue I'm experiencing with pulseaudio is missing sound in alsa only apps via pulse alsa plugin in containers |
| 13:35.44 | fling | but this is due to a bug in alsa lib |
| 13:38.53 | sixwheeledbeast | never had any issues PA myself but heard plenty people complain about it. |
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| 13:43.49 | mason | It's better than it used to be, but not using it is better still. |
| 13:44.29 | n4dir | lol |
| 13:44.49 | mason | Some years ago I had a script that would kill the pulseaudio daemon, delete its binary state from disk, and then yank out and reload the audio module, as pulseaudio would wedge itself so hard that each of these steps was essential to getting it running again. |
| 13:44.55 | n4dir | that should be their main slogan |
| 13:45.25 | mason | n4dir: It's time-honored wisdom that less is more. |
| 13:45.59 | mason | And that less(1) is more featureful than more(1). |
| 13:46.05 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 13:56.23 | jonadab | I have no doubt that pulse has been improving since poettering stopped working on it. |
| 13:56.43 | jonadab | One of these days I'll give it another try. |
| 14:01.00 | r3boot | another day, another personal attack on poettering, take it to #devuan-offtopic plz :) |
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| 17:24.05 | markizano | not sure if this is an xinput thing or something else I am missing, but somewhere in ascii->beowulf (and this is also true for eoan->focal), I have observed the Ctrl+Left/Ctrl+Right navigation keys now stopping at dash characters. |
| 17:24.13 | markizano | kinda curious where I go from here. |
| 17:24.23 | markizano | this is irrelevant to my terminal/shell - it happens in other apps too. |
| 17:25.28 | markizano | Similar to how you can control "Select-by-word" characters in Terminator (and I presume gnome-terminal as well), but seems like something has changed more globally; this behaviour exists outside of just the shell/terminal. |
| 17:28.08 | markizano | no diff between `/etc/inputrc` between upgrades. |
| 17:42.32 | Hurgotron | hmm, maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't see a difference between ascii and beowulf here. |
| 17:43.31 | mason | Hurgotron: Newer software. Beowulf ships some multimedia stuff that is happy with all my media. |
| 17:43.44 | mason | ...whereas ASCII versions bailed. |
| 17:44.05 | mason | Hurgotron: Security attention is also going to start shifting away from ASCII as it ages. |
| 17:44.19 | Hurgotron | mason: Sorry, I meant to address markizano and his observation. |
| 17:45.09 | Hurgotron | mason: sorry for the confusion :) |
| 17:45.24 | mason | Oh, gotcha. Doh. |
| 17:45.47 | markizano | LoL |
| 17:46.00 | markizano | chatting with a friend in another channel and there is suspect it in the version of GTK I have. |
| 17:46.16 | markizano | I am using Gtk3 for the first time since I was on Jessie/Gtk2 forever... |
| 17:47.05 | markizano | ok, nope - KDE is doing it too (with kate editor). |
| 17:48.24 | Hurgotron | well I just tried vi and bash. |
| 17:48.53 | markizano | narrowing it down to just pluma |
| 17:49.06 | markizano | <markizano> "word-break" <- in pluma, it goes "|word-break" -> "word|-break" -> "word-|break" -> "word-break|" |
| 17:49.14 | markizano | <markizano> now looking more closely in other apps, it goes |
| 17:49.20 | markizano | <markizano> "|word-break" -> "word|-break" -> "word-break|" |
| 17:52.19 | markizano | so, issue I have, I guess is word break is on dash and it treats dash like a word. |
| 17:52.25 | markizano | this is very obscure... |
| 17:52.52 | markizano | Google searches only yield stuff like "how to search and replace in <text-editor>" or inputrc stuff related to bash. |
| 17:53.01 | markizano | kate and pluma appear to have the issue |
| 17:53.20 | markizano | it's really minor and cosmetic, I guess, but it's bugging me enough to want to find out where this was configured, LoL. |
| 17:54.41 | markizano | or "how to setup shortcut keys" ;_; |
| 17:56.04 | fsmithred | could that be related to the change that causes ls to put quotes around some file names? |
| 17:56.10 | fsmithred | (the ones with spaces) |
| 17:58.02 | markizano | ^ was wondering about that too... figured it might be to enable folks to be able to copy/paste from output of `ls` |
| 17:58.28 | fsmithred | there's more to it than convenience |
| 17:58.44 | fsmithred | I think that was a change in ls, but I don't recall for sure |
| 17:59.17 | fsmithred | but pretty sure something about how or when to recognize a word changed somewhere |
| 18:00.28 | markizano | hrmm... |
| 18:00.40 | markizano | seems like `ls` default --quoting-style changed from "literal" to "shell-escape" |
| 18:01.23 | fsmithred | the change that's bugging me is that file-selection windows sort files and directories together instead of dirs first |
| 18:01.34 | fsmithred | that sounds familiar |
| 18:03.23 | markizano | I think it's in zenity - but don't like the default behaviour of search either. I am so keyboard oriented, using the mouse to navigate a file or up/down arrow keys repeatedly is not friendly to me. |
| 18:03.30 | markizano | would like to know how to change that config as well, LoL |
| 18:04.15 | fsmithred | change what? |
| 18:04.53 | markizano | when you go to select/open a new file in any zenity-based file selector, seems like the default behaviour is to up/down navigate, rather than type a file to navigate. |
| 18:05.06 | markizano | I liked the legacy behaviour which had an address bar at the top and you can type path direct to file. |
| 18:05.13 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:05.15 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 18:05.16 | markizano | now, I find myself having to Ctrl+L to activate address bar before I can search. |
| 18:05.25 | fsmithred | I use yad now instead of zenity |
| 18:05.31 | ranix | you should be able to search just by typing the filename |
| 18:05.42 | ranix | having to hit a key combo first is stupid |
| 18:05.54 | markizano | <ranix> having to hit a key combo first is stupid <<< +1 |
| 18:06.04 | ranix | if a file browser is open typing w should go straight to the first file with a name beginning in w |
| 18:06.17 | markizano | oh it does |
| 18:06.27 | fsmithred | no text entry in yad's file-selector |
| 18:06.30 | markizano | but sometimes I am in a parent directory and I start typing the path to the file with slashes |
| 18:06.51 | markizano | by the time I type the folder/file out - the file-selector says "no results found" |
| 18:07.03 | markizano | I have to first navigate to the sub-folder, sub-folder, then I can find the file. |
| 18:07.21 | ranix | I'd just type the folder name and hit enter instead of typing a path with slashes |
| 18:07.40 | ranix | so instead of foo/bar/harbl.png I'd type foo enter bar enter harbl enter |
| 18:08.00 | ranix | that works with thunar |
| 18:08.21 | markizano | oh the joy's of Linux and it's insane configurability, LoL |
| 18:08.27 | markizano | I want a config option to toggle that! :D |
| 18:09.36 | fsmithred | try dconf-editor |
| 18:10.23 | markizano | omg, I forgot about that - had a hard time recalling the name of that winregedit like thing for Linux :D |
| 18:13.02 | fsmithred | yeah, it's bigger and better (more complicated) than gconf |
| 18:14.01 | ranix | gross |
| 18:14.12 | markizano | LoL |
| 18:14.14 | ranix | just what we need, more wysiwyg menu-diving |
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| 18:14.39 | ranix | what happened to good old conf files |
| 18:14.57 | ranix | I don't even understand what happened to x11 conf files |
| 18:15.07 | ranix | I wonder if I even have an xorg.conf anymore |
| 18:15.13 | fsmithred | xorg.conf got replaced with auto-detection |
| 18:15.28 | fsmithred | you can still have one if you need |
| 18:15.43 | ranix | what does nvidia-settings even do now |
| 18:16.07 | fsmithred | that used to open a gui with settings |
| 18:16.11 | ranix | it seems like my multi-display and rotation settings are all xrandr which I control from the xfce-settings menu |
| 18:16.12 | fsmithred | I assume it still does |
| 18:16.21 | fsmithred | me too |
| 18:16.34 | fsmithred | using nouveau |
| 18:16.44 | ranix | I don't think nouveau works on this card |
| 18:17.05 | fsmithred | too new? |
| 18:17.16 | ranix | too old |
| 18:17.22 | fsmithred | what is it? |
| 18:17.26 | ranix | gtx 275 |
| 18:17.47 | fsmithred | GT218 [GeForce 210] |
| 18:17.53 | fsmithred | not sure how those compare |
| 18:18.04 | ranix | gtx275 is gt200b |
| 18:18.24 | markizano | <ranix> what happened to good old conf files <- conf files are hard. let's invent a new way for people to configure crap who have no idea what they are doing and include zero documentation. |
| 18:18.47 | ranix | markizano: my theory is that man files are sexist |
| 18:18.56 | markizano | LMAO! |
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| 18:19.00 | n4dir | though to me xorg.conf never was much fun. |
| 18:19.12 | ranix | no screens found |
| 18:19.13 | n4dir | but then: i just started |
| 18:20.22 | ranix | I remember back in 1998 feeling like I was a l33t h4xx0r because I was able to get the shimmering water effect on the enlightenment desktop working when prior I couldn't even get xfree86 to find my serial port mouse |
| 18:20.38 | markizano | LoL |
| 18:21.02 | n4dir | ranix: just switched to e16. The shimmering water. Oh my ... |
| 18:21.26 | ranix | and the default trees background with that weird shade of green |
| 18:21.27 | ranix | so good |
| 18:21.59 | n4dir | i found quite a few funny themes. |
| 18:22.33 | n4dir | let's attach the close/max/min buttons just about anywhere you could think of, and with no sense at all |
| 18:23.31 | n4dir | must have been a thing back then, from what i have heard (e16 that is) |
| 18:23.43 | ranix | idk if I ever tried e17 |
| 18:24.00 | n4dir | imho you can't compare the two. |
| 18:24.17 | ranix | does e16 still run these days |
| 18:24.54 | n4dir | it runs well. Friend said it was upgraded last year or so, but in general it stays like it is like forever. Was removed from debian and all debian based, it seems |
| 18:25.07 | ranix | lame |
| 18:25.35 | n4dir | it compiles in like 5 minutes. Including the download time ... |
| 18:27.15 | ranix | way ahead of you |
| 18:27.29 | ranix | already installing build deps |
| 18:27.44 | n4dir | oha |
| 18:27.55 | ranix | and now building |
| 18:28.12 | ranix | idk if I can get away from the new familiarity of xfce though |
| 18:28.33 | n4dir | yeah, it is hard to beat xfce. Whenever i use it i am pretty amazed. |
| 18:35.03 | markizano | I feel like a place like dconf is where this hidden config is... |
| 18:37.05 | markizano | https://markizano.net/misc/dconf-settings.png |
| 18:37.12 | markizano | something like this makes me think I am close... |
| 18:37.21 | ranix | wow the pager |
| 18:37.24 | ranix | I forgot all about this |
| 18:37.45 | markizano | ranix, lesspipe ? |
| 18:38.50 | ranix | ? |
| 18:39.41 | markizano | <ranix> wow the pager <- confused about this |
| 18:39.50 | ranix | in e16 |
| 18:39.54 | markizano | ah |
| 18:40.37 | n4dir | the pager is the main reason i switched, ranix |
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| 18:52.18 | ranix | it's sad but I don't think I have any use for e16 anymore |
| 18:54.17 | ranix | xfce is just better |
| 18:54.25 | ranix | I would use e16 if I didn't have 5 monitors |
| 18:54.43 | ranix | I remember the pager being a big deal when all I had was a 15" crt |
| 18:54.57 | ranix | I guess it's just a relic from a bygone agge |
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| 20:34.32 | golinux | offtopic is the appropriate place since it is not a devuan support question |
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