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| 06:59.44 | QualityGlass | are backports bad, guys? |
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| 10:25.28 | unixbsd | hi, why xlockmore is no longer there in repositories, while xlockmore is available in slackware and slack based distro? |
| 10:38.07 | hagbard_ | Its because most packages in devuan come from debian repositories, and debian threw it out in 2012: https://tracker.debian.org/news/663704/bug690891-removed-packages-from-unstable/ |
| 10:39.36 | hagbard_ | There it says: "buggy, unmaintained, security bugs" |
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| 17:38.51 | systemdlete | is there a memtest86 on the install media? I don't see it |
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| 17:43.17 | gnarface | systemdlete: it's on the netinstall, maybe check in advanced options or something like that? |
| 17:43.31 | systemdlete | ok, thanks |
| 17:43.36 | gnarface | systemdlete: it's a boot media option, before you start the actual installer |
| 17:43.53 | gnarface | boot menu* |
| 17:46.17 | systemdlete | I'm still not finding it. I tried rescue boot and expert install |
| 17:46.31 | systemdlete | (netinstall image, yes) |
| 17:46.46 | systemdlete | I tried getting a shell, and looked for memtest* |
| 17:47.45 | syco- | systemdlete, as gnarface said .. it's a boot menu entry |
| 17:48.07 | systemdlete | you mean in the installed system? |
| 17:48.13 | syco- | nope |
| 17:48.31 | systemdlete | I boot off the net install. now what? |
| 17:48.36 | syco- | at boot of the install medium .. before you launch the install |
| 17:48.49 | systemdlete | I dont see an option for memtest or the like |
| 17:50.31 | systemdlete | I see Install, advanced, help, and install with speech synthesis |
| 17:50.54 | systemdlete | (this is the net install for 64 bit) |
| 17:51.53 | fsmithred | no memtest on that |
| 17:52.14 | fsmithred | live isos have it. |
| 17:52.22 | systemdlete | Am I nuts? Or will I become so soon? |
| 17:53.18 | systemdlete | ah. |
| 17:53.21 | systemdlete | live iso |
| 17:53.28 | systemdlete | one live iso, coming up... |
| 17:54.43 | systemdlete | fsmithred: Could I use live-minimal to save on download? |
| 17:54.51 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 17:55.26 | systemdlete | I had to look in the subdirs, yeah. Thanks. |
| 17:55.38 | systemdlete | the main directories don't say how big the images are |
| 17:56.00 | fsmithred | I think it's around 450 |
| 17:56.11 | systemdlete | yep |
| 17:56.17 | systemdlete | the other is over a 1g |
| 17:57.01 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 17:57.09 | systemdlete | I lost my vbox on ascii -- no clue though -- vbox gives a minimal and mysterious error message. |
| 17:57.30 | systemdlete | barely creates any logging. The guys at vbox channel are not sure either. |
| 17:57.51 | fsmithred | I haven't used vbox lately |
| 17:57.59 | systemdlete | So they want me to check memory. This would kill me, considering I just upgraded a few months ago to 32GB |
| 17:58.20 | systemdlete | I tested the ram thoroughly; probably about a day and a half. I always do this with new memory sticks. |
| 17:58.31 | systemdlete | but I suppose anything can go flakey |
| 17:59.12 | fsmithred | you might need newer memtest |
| 17:59.29 | systemdlete | memtest+ |
| 17:59.40 | systemdlete | ddr3 memory, if that helps |
| 17:59.42 | fsmithred | if this doesn't work, go download the memtest iso from the upstream site |
| 17:59.51 | systemdlete | Yeah. |
| 17:59.58 | systemdlete | I have that over on my testbox |
| 18:00.11 | systemdlete | and I just downloaded it here on my testbox |
| 18:00.42 | systemdlete | I mean, I keep copies everywhere just in case, plus a known quantity of reliable bootable ISO for emergencies. |
| 18:00.52 | fsmithred | good plan |
| 18:01.23 | systemdlete | One gets burned too many times, and starts taking precautions, and more precautions. |
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| 18:06.08 | systemdlete | fsmithred: It's memtest+ 5.01 is there a newer version than that? |
| 18:07.24 | fsmithred | pretty sure that whatever is in debian is a lot older than what's at the memtest site |
| 18:08.00 | fsmithred | ascii, beowulf and ceres all have the same version |
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| 18:23.06 | systemdlete | heh. The memtest iso I got from memtest.org does not want to boot. |
| 18:24.05 | gnarface | there's really no memtest on the netinstall isos? i really thought there was, under the advanced boot menu option somewhere |
| 18:29.44 | systemdlete | Still no luck with official, latest memtest |
| 18:29.53 | systemdlete | I will revert to memtest+ |
| 18:30.23 | systemdlete | from the install media |
| 18:31.10 | systemdlete | actually, I've downloaded memtest+ from the devuan repos |
| 18:31.13 | systemdlete | I'll try that |
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| 18:36.08 | systemdlete | same thing. |
| 18:36.15 | systemdlete | Oh well, back to devuan boot media... |
| 18:39.31 | systemdlete | gnarface: Did you find it? |
| 18:46.30 | gnarface | systemdlete: i admit i did not look though. i'm probably just remembering the live image |
| 18:48.08 | systemdlete | turns out that memtest no longer supports bios boot for some time |
| 18:48.21 | systemdlete | this is bios boot |
| 18:48.33 | systemdlete | neither of my PCs have EFI, just my laptop. |
| 18:49.40 | gnarface | oh, i guess mabye try ascii then? |
| 18:49.48 | gnarface | unexpected but possible |
| 18:50.14 | gnarface | would think it is insane if it doesn't at least still support it with a cmdline option |
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| 19:02.17 | onefang | Only 32 GB of RAM to test? I just installed a new desktop with 256 GB. I haven't run memtest on it yet. lol |
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| 19:53.24 | mason | 32G of RAM is more than just about anyone realistically needs. Not sure it's something to poke fun at. |
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| 19:54.03 | mason | Now, making fun of people who spec a new system and don't use ECC RAM might make sense, but it should be done in #devuan-offtopic. |
| 19:55.09 | mason | systemdlete: I don't remember if the Debian live images have a memtest. Checking. |
| 19:56.17 | mason | Hrm, not the standard/Buster stick I have kicking around anyway. |
| 19:57.32 | mason | systemdlete: Anyway, remember that slots can be flaky too, not just sticks of memory. |
| 19:58.18 | mason | systemdlete: Which is to say, once you get a tester going, if you have time for this, might make sense to test each stick installed alone in the first slot. |
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| 20:46.08 | onefang | I wanted to use ECC, but couldn't find any that gave my new system 256 GB. Linus had the exact same problem with a similar Threadripper system. |
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| 20:47.01 | onefang | Think I'm over the major humps with my new desktop, now to tweak it all. |
| 20:51.02 | systemdlete | onefang, if you start memtest now, it will be finished by the time you retire. |
| 20:51.48 | fsmithred | thinks there might be a time paradox involved |
| 20:52.33 | systemdlete | mason: If I find a fault, yes, then I 'd need to figure out which stick/slot is the culprit. But if it all passes, say, 3 full times through, I am not sure further inquiry would be necessary. Or do you disagree? |
| 20:53.53 | systemdlete | And, mason, I am not firmly set against the possibility of the mainboard being suspect. In the past, it has done a few things (minor) that might point to a problem with hardware. |
| 20:54.28 | systemdlete | e.g., the usb 3.0 ports have been flakey, although I wonder if that might be the OS drivers at least in part. |
| 20:54.51 | onefang | I'm semi-retired now. lol |
| 20:55.45 | systemdlete | I also wonder if the SATA ports might have some corner case issue. Every once in a while, a disk seems to go "bad," but after running badblocks and other tools on it, the disk turns out to run fine. |
| 20:56.13 | systemdlete | onefang: I just assumed you were younger, given you only have one fang. :P |
| 20:56.42 | systemdlete | I figured it was a baby fang. |
| 20:56.47 | systemdlete | but what do I know? |
| 20:58.21 | fsmithred | you haven't seen his avatar |
| 20:59.09 | systemdlete | link? |
| 20:59.25 | onefang | Well one tooth is really small, coz it's a baby tooth, so it only looks like I have one fang. However, that baby tooth is over 50 years old. |
| 20:59.32 | fsmithred | uh, Rip van Winkel |
| 20:59.39 | systemdlete | (and watch both ways, here. Mother hen will be coming by soon if we keep this up...) |
| 20:59.49 | onefang | I'm more like Santa Claws. |
| 21:00.01 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 21:00.07 | systemdlete | (no humor in the support channel!) |
| 21:00.15 | systemdlete | (quit it! quit it now!) |
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| 22:49.19 | mason | systemdlete: We had what looked like a bad slot in my younger stepson's computer, but now I suspect that it's a marginal slot, and running the system a bit while reseating his memory wiggled something into place. Dunno. We're going to have to replace his motherboard/CPU/RAM I think. |
| 22:49.39 | mason | Might be a good opportunity to move him onto Devuan, since he's on Ubuntu at present. |
| 23:01.13 | systemdlete | YOu should probably sit down with him, calmly, and discuss what losing systemd means to him. You know, you talk, then let him talk a bit, let him express his feelings about losing systemd. It will be hard at first, but eventually he will come around. Just be patient, OK? |
| 23:02.13 | systemdlete | This will help avoid him being traumatized and never feeling his OS is "normal" again. |
| 23:02.45 | mason | :P |
| 23:03.03 | systemdlete | (having some fun here) |
| 23:03.13 | systemdlete | (in the support channel, no less) |
| 23:04.05 | systemdlete | So, mason, do you think I should let the memtest run some more? It's completed one pass, no errors. |
| 23:04.10 | mason | There's good reason to stick to #devuan-offtopic for off-topic things, especially if the channel's busy. Obviously there's a range of tolerance for this. |
| 23:04.38 | systemdlete | (That depends whose nick we are talking about) |
| 23:04.41 | mason | systemdlete: If your initial issue is a crash, but it only happened once, yeah, I wouldn't want to blame memory too much. Does dmidecode no memory errors? |
| 23:04.53 | mason | s/no memory/show memory/ |
| 23:04.58 | mason | (Is this ECC?) |
| 23:05.11 | systemdlete | hmmm. |
| 23:07.55 | golinux | is watching. |
| 23:08.00 | systemdlete | https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/XMS3-%E2%80%94-16GB-%282x8GB%29-DDR3-1333MHz-C9-Memory-Kit/p/CMX16GX3M2A1333C9#tab-overview |
| 23:08.09 | systemdlete | No mention of ECC. |
| 23:08.12 | mason | gnarface: o/ |
| 23:09.42 | systemdlete | golinux: Hello officer! How are you this sunny day? |
| 23:09.46 | systemdlete | :D |
| 23:09.56 | mason | systemdlete: There's no need for that. |
| 23:10.11 | systemdlete | j/k |
| 23:10.16 | systemdlete | anyway, it's not ECC |
| 23:10.38 | systemdlete | Could I use ECC in the same slots though? Or does the board have to support it? |
| 23:10.51 | mason | systemdlete: The board would have to support it. What's the model? |
| 23:11.15 | systemdlete | ASUS M5A7L-M/USB3 |
| 23:11.26 | systemdlete | manual right here |
| 23:11.41 | systemdlete | M5A78L-M/USB3 |
| 23:11.51 | mason | Was going to ask if that's what you meant. |
| 23:12.27 | mason | systemdlete: Yes, that does support ECC RAM: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M5A78LMUSB3/specifications/ |
| 23:13.45 | systemdlete | But I don't think the memory is ECC |
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| 23:13.59 | mason | Almost certainly not unless you went for ECC explicitly. |
| 23:14.03 | systemdlete | If it is, corsair doesn't say so on its support page |
| 23:15.04 | systemdlete | In the past, I've been told NOT to get ECC memory. Not sure why, but there was some reason for that at one time. But I may be carrying some old baggage about that from decades ago. |
| 23:15.29 | systemdlete | Anyway, I always avoided it because of that ancient admonition. |
| 23:15.57 | mason | It's more expensive, and it can be slower since it's doing more. |
| 23:16.42 | systemdlete | maybe uses slightly more power? Years ago, that could have made a significant difference, idk |
| 23:16.59 | mason | That might be too. It's more chips for the same storage. |
| 23:17.10 | systemdlete | right. |
| 23:18.09 | systemdlete | If I wind up upgrading the board to a mb that takes up to 64gb, I might go ahead and splurge on ECC. If I am buying that much memory, I doubt the additional $50 or so will matter much. |
| 23:18.19 | systemdlete | But I am hoping to get a few more years out of the current board. |
| 23:19.39 | systemdlete | I only bought the new board as a backup in case this one decides to blow a capacitor or the like. |
| 23:20.57 | mason | The QVL for that doesn't call out ECC. Dunno. But the age of the board would make me want to think about replacing it rather than replacing all the RAM. |
| 23:22.03 | systemdlete | It was brand new when I put it in about 3-4 years ago. I know the board is "antique" in terms of the technology, but I prefer staying 1 generation behind anyway. |
| 23:22.49 | systemdlete | Mainly to avoid the kinds of headaches I've had with the laptop, which is 2019 tech and I've faced some challenges getting stuff to work. |
| 23:24.39 | mason | Alright. That's reasonable then. |
| 23:27.35 | systemdlete | Honestly, I wouldn't mind picking up another one of these m5A78l-m/usb3 boards (or similar) if I can find it under $50 just because it has been a very solid board. |
| 23:28.07 | systemdlete | Or at least, it has presented far fewer issues than any of the ones I've had previously, including limited memory slots, and other limitations. |
| 23:28.40 | systemdlete | OTOH, finding AM3/AM3+ hardware is getting increasingly harder to find now. |
| 23:28.58 | systemdlete | If I do find some it is usually expensive. |
| 23:29.08 | systemdlete | (read: more than I want to pay) |
| 23:29.22 | mason | systemdlete: Come to #devuan-offtopic for this. |
| 23:29.25 | mason | I linger there. |
| 23:29.29 | systemdlete | sure |
| 23:29.32 | mason | One channel over -> |
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