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| 00:26.18 | gnarface | bbuccianti: ignore that one for now |
| 00:26.25 | gnarface | bbuccianti: that's email |
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| 01:25.07 | golinux | bbuccianti: If you don't know what exim4 is, maybe you shouldn't be running ceres . . . |
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| 01:30.52 | Centurion_Dan | golinux: exim is a horror that nobody should use by default for email. That default really sux... |
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| 01:49.44 | Unit193 | It's fine, decent even, for system email at least. But otherwise... |
| 01:52.01 | golinux | The issue isn;t sxim but a user trying to run ceres. |
| 01:52.43 | Centurion_Dan | I'd use msmtp or ssmtp for a system email even then it's pointless unless you setup your email client to access it... |
| 01:53.32 | fsmithred | using those requires intervention |
| 01:53.41 | golinux | That isn't what is being discussed here |
| 01:53.47 | fsmithred | using exim for system mail requires only installing it |
| 01:53.52 | fsmithred | yes it is |
| 01:54.29 | fsmithred | but we're probably done |
| 01:54.33 | golinux | Someone who said this: <bbuccianti> I don't even know what is exim4 |
| 01:54.44 | fsmithred | several hours ago |
| 01:54.45 | golinux | Is running ceres and bitching about it. |
| 01:55.37 | golinux | So Dan's changing the subject is not the topicf |
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| 01:55.58 | golinux | is quite grumpy tonight |
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| 02:13.16 | Centurion_Dan | exim has problems and can cause startup to hang if network isn't available. It's not a good default for desktop systems. |
| 02:14.27 | Centurion_Dan | speaking of which - I'm setting up some client laptops with Devuan and wondering if about xfce vs Mate for soon to be ex windows users... |
| 02:15.42 | fsmithred | I know there are mate users, but I am not one of them. There may be useful info at the forum. |
| 02:16.26 | fsmithred | in the past, there were issues with mate power-manager, but I don't know if that's still the case. Some were using xfce-power-manager. |
| 02:16.30 | fsmithred | in ascii, I think |
| 02:30.30 | enyc | meows |
| 02:31.18 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: MATE good for those who used win2000/xp a lot, 'taskbar' .... |
| 02:31.58 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: Cinnamon desktop is more like win10 application icons ....... |
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| 02:57.04 | dzhigit | I just upgraded ceres and got the perl issue |
| 03:03.56 | enyc | dzhigit: hehe welcome to unstable! |
| 03:05.15 | dzhigit | so it says it depends on perlapi-5.30.0 but it also says that perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by perl-base? |
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| 03:06.43 | dzhigit | oh I see |
| 03:06.48 | dzhigit | Package perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by: perl-base 5.30.3-4 [Not candidate version] |
| 03:07.28 | dzhigit | the candidate version is perl-base 5.32.0-4 |
| 03:13.25 | dzhigit | libtext-iconv-perl needs to be updated to perlapi-5.32.0 |
| 03:13.47 | dzhigit | that will make it work with the latest perl-base |
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| 03:39.47 | Xenguy | I never understood why Debian chose Exim4 as their default MTA, but they did... |
| 03:40.28 | furrywolf | because sendmail has lovecraftian configs? |
| 03:40.37 | Xenguy | I ended up switching to Postfix, when I ran one myself |
| 03:40.54 | Xenguy | yeah, sendmail, uh boy |
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| 03:41.09 | Xenguy | It was the venerable one, but oh the security issues |
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